HOME | DD | Gallery | Favourites | RSS
| rpgkipp
rpgkipp
[9724301]
[]
"Gabe"
# Statistics
Favourites: 43; Deviations: 0; Watchers: 0
Watching: 0; Pageviews: 2385; Comments Made: 107; Friends: 0
# Comments
Comments: 95
True, it'd be massively difficult to come up with a non-forced way of all that.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
Well, Ra's can always steal deadly pathogens.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
I think you may have everything covered actually. For characters Rorschach would go against. I don't know much about Batman, but as far as I can tell you've got all the ones who would work for a character-study story of Rorschach.
I now eagerly await for the story to come out.[link]
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
I like the character of Ra's al-Ghul, but you're probably taking references of the character from Batman Begins! I hate film soooo much and one of the prime examples of why was their Ra's al-Ghul, where they turned him into a cliche villain (when he certainly is not) and bugged me to no end that everyone mispronounced his name, argghhhh! Batman Begins bastardized his character in the worst possible way. Now I loved he character when he appeared in graphic novels, Batman: Contagion, Batman: Legacy, and Batman: Hush (even though he didn't do much in that book). However, Son of the Demon/Resurrection of Ra's al-Ghul (which continues in Batman R.I.P.) makes me want to pull my hair out! He's an extremely difficult character to right for. He's very hit-and-miss and you have to suspend your sense of disbelief to write for him, as he deals a lot with mysticism and Lazarus Pits, which doesn't really merge too well with the world of Watchmen.
So no matter how many times I try, Ra's as a terrorist who wants to restore balance to the earth and humanity and the way he would do that is....destroy most of humanity from its sins, by preventing nuclear annihilation and WWIII permanently. So he just really comes off as a carbon copy of Ozymandias or vice versa.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
True. Ra's al-Ghul didn't make much sense in Batman Begins. But then again, they tried to make the film as realistic as possible. Make it seem like it could actually happen. So they couldn't go with the Lazarus Pits, nearly immortal Ra's al-Ghul. So when you compare him to the original, it's kind of hard not to get pissed off. But for a re-make or a re-boot, I try to think of it as a completely different film. Makes it easier to get over the stuff they couldn't, or wouldn't, put in the movie.
For example, we will never see a one hundred percent accurate modern Batman movie featuring Poison Ivy. It's just one of those things that you sometimes need to deal with.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
Yes, I do realize these are meant to be taken as a completely new universe and I'll accept that it's an Elseworld, but what I want from the Nolan films (or any Batman film), I don't expect 100% accuracy, but what I expect are the basic fundamentals executed in a satisfying way. Batman Begins didn't do that, yet Dark Knight, for the most part, did, but I admit I couldn't help but be very critical of the film's Ra's al-Ghul because I felt he was done soooooo badly! Personally, I wouldn't mind the changes if they didn't make him so DULL and CLICHE (and had they pronounced his name correctly). I enjoyed Scarecrow. I do criticize him to a point: He is too handsome and every time put the "potato sack" over his head, I have a laughing fit. But did I like him? Yeah, I did! I jusst wish he had more screen time in Begins and Dark Knight! I didn't appreciate he was just tossed aside, TWICE! One of the things that turns me off is the Nolan films are overrated by the public. They're good films, but I don't think they're the best films in the entire franchise (official or unofficial, because the unofficial stuff is impressive as all hell)! That's my two cents.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
True, we all have our own opinions. I found the suit with the mask for Scarecrow worked rather well for Scarecrow. In a weirder, slightly creepier way.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
Is it creepier? I'm actually having a lot of trouble to drawing the Scarecrow because I personally don't find his design scary. However, realistically, a lanky man with a potato sack over his head and a funny hat isn't really scary, it's laughable, but it's actually his actions that make him creepy and frightening, yet when you boil the Scarecrow done, he's really just a nerd in a Halloween costume. Yet I do want something that's creepy and scary in looks and action. Yet I know what I would consider scary probably wouldn't scare others, rather like the Batman Begins Scarecrow was creepy to you but laughable to me.
[link] - A typical Scarecrow costume.
[link] - Are skulls creepy? I never thought so myself because I have to work with skeletonal bones as an artist. I'm desensitized by this.
[link] - (shrug) No reaction, but I like the scythe!
[link] , [link] - From Hush, I have no idea how that mask works the way it does.
[link] - I like that there's no face! Without a facial features, it comes off as creepy as you can't tell what their expression or thought without a face, which is one of the reasons why Rorschach is so effective.
[link] - From Scarcrow: Year One, again, it's a simple enough Scarecrow look, yet I like the retro-ness of this costume. To me, again, not scary to me, but I do like the use of a straitjacket and a cape.
[link] , [link] - I admit this design always creeped me out, although it's nothing Scarecrow-ish about it. He looked like this undead Western preacher that was hung. The face is very Texas Chainsaw Massacre, which was always something I loved about this design. There's something about the inhumanity of the face and tiny, pupil-less, dead eyes that gave me the creeps.
[link] - This is from Batman: Arkham Asylum game. When I first saw the promotional image of Scare, I thought he looked silly. Then I played the game and found that he completely stole the game from under the Joker, for me. He is GENUINELY creepy and frightening to me, with his emancipated corpse-like body, mixed with that subconscious fear of needles. I still unsure of the mask itself, I like that it looks inhuman and that it's practical, but is it scary enough?
[link] - Personally, this is my favourite Scarecrow costume for all time. It's minimalism at its best: A long, creepy coat/cloak and a hat, that's it. We never see a face; it's just this black abyss that somehow holds a form inside. For Rorschach in Gotham, I'll probably be using this, then when he infects Rorschach with fear gas or toxin, there's a reveal and he transforms into your greatest nightmare, or perhaps whatever designs above -- a costume in a costume technique. It's that fear of the unknown because you don't know what's under there!
What do you think?
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
I found it creepy in the way that you could tell that this guy had something wrong with him himself. Was I scared by it? Not really. Did I like it? Yes.
For Scarecrow, these are my favorites.
[link] Gives off a good "psycho" vibe.
[link] Simple, to the point, gets the message across.
[link] I like the sort of Freddy Krueger glove that he'd use to inject you with the fear toxin. The gas mask looks a little weird on this one, but I guess he has because he still has the spray version of it.
Those are my favorite out of them. Amazing how much a character like that evolves over time, isn't it?
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
That's true. He was clearly unstable in the film. It is interesting to see how the character evolves over time. Scarecrow is one of those characters that's always changing. His look differs the most from artist to artist.
Yeah, I like the Freddy Krueger-esque glove; there's something really creepy about it. The gas mask is odd looking, I admit. It looks like he's chewing on a pair of hubcaps, hahaha! But in the game, there is a fear gas used. I'm sure I can design a spray tube in his hidden in his other glove...for emergencies.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
Which would likely be how he gets Rorschach, I think.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
Do you think it would be rather anticlimactic if he just gassed him in surprise? Scarecrow isn't a physically threat in any way. It might be a bit of a letdown if he has these wonderful claws and he doesn't get a lucky skewer into Rorschach's stomach.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
Oh no, don't get me wrong. The claws would be a much prefered method to the usual sprayer.
Something interesting about this Scarecrow. He seems to have the build of a runner or acrobat to me. So he may not have the "Sturdyness" of Rorschach, but he'd have a fair amount of endurance, and strength better designed to slip through weakspots than attack head-on. Just thought I'd throw that out there.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
Scarecrow never came off as neither physically strong or agile to me. Nimble, yes, but not agile. Agility insinuates a quick, easy grace, rather like a gymnast. Nimbleness, he's just quick and light on his feet, which usually has no grace whatsoever, in a slipperier way, I feel. Because, foremost, he's a geek. He's groomed himself as a supreme intellectual, not as an athlete. I can see him have a lot of endurance. You kinda have to when you're bullied and beaten as much as Jonathan has been....and to wear that costume for days on end! That thing, no matter which one, must be stifling in that!
Rorschach loves the direct approach, but Crane, he's a sneaky man. He would try to avoid physical fight, but it doesn't mean it's going to cower away.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
He'd probably try to ambush Rorschach a few times. Maybe even vanish during their fight and sneak up on him.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
Yeah, I totally can see that. Working on a Scarecrow piece now. I appreciated your input, by the way.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
Conversation went down to one sentence. What a pity.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
Indeed it is. By the way, do you have a villain testing Rorschach's pride?
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
Pride as in his ego? His sense of self?
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
I think all the villains do this in some way. But if I had to pick on that probably would do it in the worst possible way, I'd say the Scarecrow. Scarecrow and Rorschach have very similar childhoods. Scarecrow infects Rorschach with his toxins and makes him relive his fears. I feel Rorschach's greatest fears evolve around his mother. He relive his childhood, forcing him to relive his abuse he had with his mother and at the orphanage. He also breaks down most of Rorschach's delusions he had about his biological father, which forces him to re-analyze his identity or get consumed by the terrors behind it.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
I always pitied Rorschach about the dad thing. The only thing that really kept him going was the belief that his father was one of the good people. Imagine if he discovered that's not how it was? It would likely be devastating.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
He does, indeed, discover that it isn't how it was. I believe Walter's real father does, indeed, appear in the comic, and may have secretly known it, but denies it.
It's clear that Walter knew that Sylva's husband was not his real father, but one of the many men she had affairs with. He asked her who his real father was and she simply said, "I think his name was Charlie and I think he liked Truman." And he goes, "I like Truman because my father did" -- a young boy without a father-figure trying to emulate person he never knew or met. Well, we don't know if that's true. How would a prostitute, with possibly dozens upon dozens of clients, know his name and political views? Did they just have sex and then lay in bed and talk? No, I doubt that! Sylva may know who the real father is by his face, but I believe she knew anything beyond that -- she made it up, most likely.
There's a scene where young Walter discovers his mother with a stranger, one of her many clients; and if you look at him, he looks like Walter Kovacs. He has the same long face, square jaw, button nose, mouth, ears, reddish hair, and he even wears pinstripes! I believe THAT is his real father. This explains why he flashbacks to that particular man and why he has dreams of the event that haunt him (ie: the dream demon). Compare them and you'll see the uncanny resemblance: [link]
Was this done purposefully? Is it a red herring? We don't know. But that's my theory. And with the Scarecrow episode, he'll be re-living his childhood with an adult mentality. So what seemed insignificant to an young, innocent mind would speak volumes when you look back at it, reanalyze it, as an adult.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
There is a creepy resemblence. I wonder if the guy knew Walter may have been his kid?
Holy crap. What if Rorschach notices?
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
That's going to be the horrible revelation. Scarecrow's fear toxin forces Rorschach to re-live his childhood. When you're an adult and you re-live your childhood, you notice things you never saw before. That's going to be the big one for Rorschach. That the stranger was, indeed, his father who didn't know he had an illegitimate son, nor did he care. And how would that affect Rorschach? His world would probably crumble.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
Probably why in Watchmen, he's even more just pissed than he seemed in the bit before the Keene Act.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
True, he is very embittered in 1985. We don't know how much the 8 years between the Keene Act and the main events of the book/film changed him. We can only assume and theorize.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
Yeah. We know surprisingly little about what happened in those years between the story and the Keene act.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
This is where I wanted Rorschach in Gotham to be placed. Since we don't know what Rorschach did between 1977 and 1985, so nearly anything is possible at this time. He could visit Gotham between those years and have tons of adventure. It's a wonderful thing.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
An extremely convient setup when you think about it.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
Not necessarily. The reason why the Keene Act was passed so rapidly was to end the nationwide police strike and put a stop to the rioting. However, I believe that with Gotham City and, with the massive amount of costume characters they have, the problem would not be concluded so easily. Batman would never put up the cape and cowl, and that makes the problem escalate. During the strike/riot, the events of The Killing Joke came to play, where the Joker shot, crippled, and raped Barbara Gordon and tortured her father, Commissioner James Gordon. James Gordon is eventually booted off the force, and the manhunt for the Joker continues. The new DA is mafia-paid and does her best to have Batman take all the blame, ensuring the City Council, the Mayor, the temporary Commissioner, the news, and all the citizens of Gotham are all against Batman. Corruption is at its highest. The mafias join forces, combining their territories, and become more powerful. The riots escalate in violence. So it doesn't help Batman's situation when Rorschach joins into the mix, as well as Catwoman.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
Well damn. That's a hell of a setup.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
Gotham has always been "Hell on Earth." It would be the worst place to be in 1977, so it's the "best" place for Rorschach to be.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
You have to wonder just how much Rorschach actually enjoys all of this. Sometimes he seems like he does it because he enjoys doing it, other times, like what he says to the pysciatrist in the prison, he seems like he does it because he feels he doesn't really have a choice.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
Does he enjoy it? It's not enjoyable to see the drugs, murder, rape, burglary, child pornography at every corner of every street to anyone. There's an interview Jackie Earle Haley did that showed some insight on why Rorschach does what he does in Watchmen: The Film Companion:
"Little Walter Kovacs just didn't stand much of a chance, you know? He's one messed up individual. I think every bit of vigilante work he does is protecting that inner child. With every cleaver strike and every finger break, he's protecting the child that he was. He's striking out and smacking his mom...We really do live in a complex world, a world of shades of grey, and Walter has just been such a victim of that. For him, that complexity, that bullshit grey, simple justifies the continued victimization of himself and everybody who suffers from someone else's specific interest. He had to make the world a place of black and white...If I had to put down one thing for Rorschach, it's that he's after the truth. That's all he cares about, regardless of how he gets there and who gets hurt."
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
I meant that he enjoyed being one of the ones trying to stop it all.
Although that interview does have some interesting points to it.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
I think, in a way, yes, he did enjoy being one of the many masks trying to make a difference in the world; each of them were trying to make a difference. But with the Blaire Roche case, it was pretty much clear to Rorschach that the world will never change and the words of the Comedian rang truth. With the Keene Act, it becomes even more clear and more difficult; there's no hope for the world and humanity, hence the Doomsday Prophet. But I feel that he's still trying "a man against the world": Because justice matters. Evil must be punished. If the police can't do that, he will! Simple as that.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
True. "When those who should take action do not, it is the duty of those able to take action to do so."
From the Decalaration of Independence, slightly translated to fit modern language better.
Rorschach is, in an ironic way, a patriot.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
I agree. He is a patriot. His political views are extremely right-wing, but this all goes back to the lies about his biological father, which his mother said that he "liked Truman". All his political views and patriotism spawns from his LIE.
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
Although, he has to have been influenced by other things. Or have been unstable, even back then. Think about it. We know he was abused, but the trick is to find at what point he went from the scared who was beat by his mother to the vengeful kid who stuck a lit ciggarette in another kid's eye. We're only shown the highlights of his past after all. The only moment we actually witness him changing are when his world essentially shatters when he burns the one guy alive in his home.
👍: 0 ⏩: 0
200,000 billion thanks for faving my Nii Yugito!!
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
No need to thank me. It's a great picture. [link]
👍: 0 ⏩: 1
I didn't get any link with the message.. Sorry.
👍: 0 ⏩: 0
<= Prev |