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This guide will, hopefully, tackle the issues of how to show the disadvantages of a piece to an artist without turning them down, how to handle comments received, no matter how good or bad they are, and how to reply to the comments received, particularly if you don’t understand or you are bothered, which may lead to unnecessary drama.
How to show the disadvantages of a piece without turning the artist down (and making them feel worthless)
Tone
We all have our own perspectives, and so we all interpret things and, most importantly, comments differently. If Person A wrote a comment and thought they sounded quite calm, Person B could take the comment and perceive it as Person A attacking them.
One way to show the disadvantages of a piece is by reducing the accusing and insulting tone by introducing words such as "maybe/might", "perhaps", "I think", "could be", which softens the overall tone and make you sound less blunt and "in your face".
Additionally, putting a small disclaimer such as, "However, this is just how I see it", or "It might just be me", helps too.
Improvement
Improvement takes tone one step further. By making your tone less blunt, you could also illustrate how the person can improve and give them an alternative version to the piece, instead of saying, "The face is fat, period".
Why is the face fat?
If you included the reason why you thought the face was fat using the pointers in the Tone section above, you are already half way there.
The next half is explaining how they could improve, which leads to the next topic…
Balance
… Of finding a balance, which is key to making sure the artist doesn’t feel as if their entire piece is rubbish.
Don’t just focus on what you don’t like and what could be improved. After giving a bit of advice on how to improve, list some positive aspects about the piece, too, whether it is the colours, the details or the small things we often overlook.
Another aspect of balance is by matching your comment to the artist and their skill level. If the artist is not advanced in their art, don’t write about things that they can’t do (unless you illustrate how they can achieve it). Instead, create a balance by picking a few key areas where improvement can be made and balancing that out by the things that they can do with no improvement.
Format
Last but not least, it’s all to do with how you format and organise your comment. If you list something negative, and then a positive and then end with something negative, how will the artist feel to reading something that starts off positive, which leads to a negative and finally finishes on a positive?
In that way, a great way of making sure your comment feels balanced is by creating a "sandwich": Positive
Negative
Positive
It really makes a difference as to how the comments are received, because if you start with the negative they read the whole comment in a bad mood and if you finish on a negative they're thinking about the bad stuff when they reply to you. ~ Itti
Comments Received (How to handle and reply)
Thanks
First of all, thank them. If they comment positively or negatively about your piece, thank them. If you don’t want to thank them for the comment, thank them for the time they spent on the comment, even if their comment is downright insulting.
Why?
Because it will hopefully soften the inevitable confrontation that you will eventually have, if the comment is offensive.
If you can’t bring yourself to thank them, don’t fret about it! We’ll just move to the next point
Take a step back and breathe
Not literally, though! (Unless you want to)
Normally, seeing things with a new perspective can help prevent any drama that is looming. If taking a step back and breathing doesn’t work, don’t comment.
There is nothing wrong with leaving the comment for a day and then coming back to it, even though commenting straight away and flaming the other person in return is so much fun.
Additionally, don’t hesitate to hide the comment if you don’t want to comment and you don’t want anyone to see. Nothing is lost or gained, in that respect.
damphyr posted an awesome guide at communityops here about feeding trolls, or rather, not feeding them. It is a worthwhile read if you have a spare moment!
Replying to comments
Sometimes, the people commenting do not make themselves clear enough. Due to this, misinterpretation can happen and things may escalate when, really, you were all talking about the same thing anyway.
Thus, if you don’t understand a comment or you are bothered by it, think whether it is because the commenter is not making themselves clear or whether they actually intended to insult your piece. If it is the latter, repeat the step previously.
If someone is rude about your piece, the instinct is to fight and be rude back. If you feel this way, try and persuade yourself that the commenter had good intensions, even if it is not true.
Additionally, some people may not be very fluent in English, so they may not be able to find a proper way of expressing their thoughts.
In conclusion, think before replying. If you are confused or disturbed, perhaps you can ask a question to help clarify that, or perhaps you could explore the possibilities of what they meant.
If you have received a brilliant comment and you don’t know how to reply, the least you could do is thank them. Some people feel that because the other person has put time into the comment, that they should put time as well into responding, but when nothing comes to mind, it may be a problem.
An idea is that you could thank the person and then go to their own gallery and comment on one of their pieces in the same way, thus expressing your gratitude in a different form.
Overall, though, a comment is just a comment, from an artist who is just an artist. We all have different viewpoints, and like positive comments shouldn’t feed your ego (even though it does feel nice), negative comments shouldn’t bring you down, either.
A few interesting guides: doubting your art? - DON'T!
How to feel miserable as an artist
Accept - Don't Deflect!
Getting Over The DA Blues: Help Guide
Building a Stronger Community
How to Improve your Art
Criticism vs Constructive Criticism
The Official CC Critique Guide
Writing a Critique
Final Note
This guide is by no means accurate or complete and it does not apply to everyone. It was written by ProjectComment as a Group, by deviants, for deviants in the hope of providing some things to think about.
I would like to thank the following who contributed: amaira515, ChaoticSkye Iluvocnj2006, Itti , Scarlesaur and xblackxbloodxcellx . Their efforts in the making of this guide are much appreciated, and they deserve to be recognised.
Thank you for reading.
3wyl , posting on behalf of ProjectComment
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Comments: 361
hail-the-oblivious In reply to ??? [2010-04-10 01:05:19 +0000 UTC]
and what if that person wears a sweater?
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itchcrotch In reply to hail-the-oblivious [2010-04-10 04:18:54 +0000 UTC]
oops, i meant to say short;D
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Trazura In reply to ??? [2010-04-10 00:19:39 +0000 UTC]
This whole guide could be shortened to 7 words:
"Ignore and hide the comment. Move on."
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HFXmermaid In reply to ??? [2010-04-10 00:03:41 +0000 UTC]
I dont think as much info is needed on giving this kind of comment as it their is needed in learning to receive them.
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Darkstripe4ever In reply to ??? [2010-04-09 23:38:13 +0000 UTC]
This is a very good article. It was constructed well and contains a lot of useful information. I really like the mentioning of the "sandwich" method, and the part about taking a step back and breathing after receiving a not-so-lovely comment.
I used to take critiques and such the wrong way sometimes because of how the person worded it and immediately began arguing (which I'm not too proud of). The part of the article that gave advice about this was a wonderful reminder that sometimes we just need to pause and see things from the different perspective. <3
(Sorry for the poor wording. I'm not doing all that swell today with getting my thoughts across.)
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3wyl In reply to Darkstripe4ever [2010-04-10 18:53:00 +0000 UTC]
Words are powerful.
No, no! You worded it brilliantly. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
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Em-S5 In reply to ??? [2010-04-09 23:25:34 +0000 UTC]
THis is very helpful. Typically people will comment, or I will comment on their stuff, but If i have something negative to put in i'm not sure how to explain it. like a while ago, some news about this game came out, and 3 months later, someone just put it up saying that they just heard about it. and I wanted to say, "that came out a while ago" I didn't want to offend them or anything because they were really excited about it. so I really didn't know how to comment...so i just didn't. Another tip for for commments like this: If you don't know how to put your thoughts into nice words, JUST DON'T COMMENT. It's better than accidentally being misunderstood.
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3wyl In reply to Em-S5 [2010-04-10 18:52:00 +0000 UTC]
Ah... Perhaps that is the best thing to do... There are a lot of variables and something doesn't necessarily suit everybody.
That is true, in some ways.
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Dennys82 In reply to ??? [2010-04-09 22:59:48 +0000 UTC]
The intentions about this guide, are probably good, good suggestions anyway. But, you (deviant member) should always keep in mind that life's experiences are more important than an entire art community because they give the base to an equilibrium (and no matter about how many big art experts and critic are inside). So on with: personal way to communicate, personal grow and shared improvement stuff
The way to share knowledge and working one each other is fantastic but people here must recognize the fact, that we must don't fall into an hypothetical "elite art" vision like the group "PaintingDigital" and probably others similar. Because elite design doesn't should exist. It's just a global business invention that make you a loser just because you don't know this type of "language" but you know your own. Another and last thing: all those things that I think and have strong proof because History of Arts never lies (it's the main ID CARD for everyone of us) and always going in conflict with all the members who work for Deviant Art system. So, that employers, must do interests always and anyway for Deviant Art business circle. I can be a small talent that don't deserve attetion (I can live anyway, my conscience is ok because I know how much time dedicate to my art) but I'm not stupid. Beware from prejudice and from all the people who betray the true Art's principles, naturally.
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3wyl In reply to Dennys82 [2010-04-10 18:50:17 +0000 UTC]
Perhaps.
Well... it's up to them, really. If they want to be all elitist, fair enough.
We all have our own views.
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Dennys82 In reply to 3wyl [2010-04-10 19:44:09 +0000 UTC]
Of course, but I desire freedom for everyone and same business chances for every artist (compared to his own production development in an equal system). Freedom means no prejudice, no mystification and respect and consistency for what History previously says. I know, I'm a quiet idealist a rare idealist maybe, but this is the same base that give me an inner strong equilibrium.
I am for own development process based on a solid culture (History of Art) I don't want impose but some people here, especially young, should study History of Art before develop something. Fan Art it's just for fun for example, and I notify here that is the major followed thing...sadly!
Everyone of us is born for learn, whatever view can develop per time, will always learn till the end of a life's circle. Concept artists are not the best but should be more interesting everywhere (especially here). It's a sadly situation somethimes because here, you can do something really interesting from the concept view (forget about technique but temporary focused yourself on the pure thought) but you can get less pageviews somethimes than other mates that makes usual Avatar&Co. characters. In less words, this is a community age not so bad but scarce from the originality point of view.
One day, a 22 aged member says to me "stop to complain..." I don't complain myself, I simply analyze myself then, I'm naturally prepared to analyze others (if strictly necessary). I tell you that because sound strange when a 22 aged tells that to a 27 aged that had lived more life's experiences outside a simple and small internet community
Always available to a couple of chat,
Carlo
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3wyl In reply to Dennys82 [2010-04-11 19:36:30 +0000 UTC]
Yes, I do too. Unfortunately, the world owes us nothing.
Hmm...
I don't know. I feel that artists progress in a variety of ways. Some need to be self-taught, some don't.
Thanks for that.
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Kupo9089 In reply to ??? [2010-04-09 22:45:02 +0000 UTC]
Ah, this is lovely. Thanks!
There have been many times where I just wish to whack people with a staff of some sort due to comments.
Heh. ^-^;;
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moo-chi-64 In reply to ??? [2010-04-09 22:29:27 +0000 UTC]
I like this, especially the "balance" part. I always try and write my comments like that. I hate seeing a beautiful piece of art critisized so bluntly, after the work you put into a piece, it hurts alot to get something like "this doesn't look anything like them" or "i hate anime stop drawing it"...
And as for the replying to comments, I would recommend not even acknowlaging hate or troll comments, instead of thanking them for their time. I always go check out their page to see whats up with them before I decide though.
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3wyl In reply to moo-chi-64 [2010-04-10 18:46:52 +0000 UTC]
I must say that I've written so many comments like that, it's become a habit.
Mm-hmm.
Yes, sometimes it is best to just ignore them completely.
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Crimm-Art In reply to ??? [2010-04-09 22:00:56 +0000 UTC]
While I think this is a good guide, sometimes, you need to be blunt, whether it sounds rude or not. :/
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Crimm-Art In reply to RockBarnes [2010-04-10 19:09:23 +0000 UTC]
Because sometimes, people need to know they're terrible.
I used to be god awful, somebody said so, so I worked harder and improved. I'm still terrible, but at least it's got me motivated to do better.
And, if some person has absolutely zero talent or ability, and they make stick figures in MS Paint, I'm not gonna dance around their awfulness saying "You know, maybe if you use photoshop to make your stick figures, they might look batter, but that's just me." I'm gonna say, "look, dude, drawing a stick figure in MS Paint really isn't showing any creative effort or ability. Try something else, because drawing just isn't for you."
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RockBarnes In reply to Crimm-Art [2010-04-10 20:11:26 +0000 UTC]
(numbering your paragraphs)
3 - Well if you put it like so, I'd say it has some value in it. (Alas, in such cases I prefer to not comment at all. Ok, that won't help in any way but I feel better )
2 - OK. Just had a quick look into your gallery: You should do more train doodles, I like them better than the comic pages Or maybe the other way round, 'cause the train doodles are already good
(The comic pages look like very quickly done.)
1 - Oh well, sometimes, maybe. Some people are doing it merely for fun (at first I did not plan to upload anything, but somehow it happened), others are very young... I'd agree only when there's someone who thinks he's the greatest while he/she is not. Otherwise, let them. Maybe they gather a cicle of similarly lower-level artist around them and all is fine. Or they improve.
There may be another case:
Once in a while I hit someone whose art annoys me. Then I make a negative comment, maybe negative-only, but I assume that annoying art is meant to stir up people, so I consider negative comments sort of "justified".
And: Thanks for your long answer! on a short question!!
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Crimm-Art In reply to RockBarnes [2010-04-10 20:31:17 +0000 UTC]
2- Hah, thanks. The comics usually are pretty quick because I'm all "I have to do this all now in one sitting or I'll never do it" and then I never want to look at it again. -.- I'm working on breaking that
3- I understand a little better when you put it that way. I have no problem with young little scribblers looking to be great artists, and I don't mind the casual doodler. I guess I meant to say something along the "I'm the greatest" line, where someone posts something sub par and then acts like it's gold, and thinks that everyone should take it seriously. My bad, I should have specified.
And no problem, I have a tendency to ramble XD Thanks for the insight.
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RockBarnes In reply to Crimm-Art [2010-04-10 21:29:15 +0000 UTC]
1 - Yeah, I understand that it's work to re-do such a comic page. As they are, the comic pages merely represent an idea and knowing that you could draw them better... Ah I don't know.
2 - No need to excuse. I consider this a successful communication
3 - No problem, indeed
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Itti In reply to ??? [2010-04-09 21:03:12 +0000 UTC]
Great article and some great links too!
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LAPoetry-n-Photo In reply to ??? [2010-04-09 19:44:50 +0000 UTC]
Great tips for replying to a comment!
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LAPoetry-n-Photo In reply to ??? [2010-04-09 19:43:39 +0000 UTC]
I was excited to read this, because so many people out there are making comments that I find hurtful and idiotic. But I was disappointed. This article is really about how to sugarcoat a comment, and even the most thoroughly sugar-coated comment can still hurt.
I don't think people should pussyfoot around what they're trying to say. I just feel that they should think before they write.
What are they trying to accomplish with their comment? Is their intention to hurt? Critique? Make a helpful suggestion?
Might their comment be misinterpreted?
What do they think the artist will say in reply? What do they want them to say in reply? Do they want them to explain something?
I agree a viewer should give a positive with a negative, but the formula you are providing is like the one I got in 10th grade english class: state your best argument, your worst, and then your second best. A comment isn't a persuasive essay. It's a compliment, an inquiry, or an insult. There's really no way to dress it up for a masquerade.
Maybe examples would be beneficial? Helpful critiques, what not to say, etcetera.
And that's my two cents. Thanks for listening.
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3wyl In reply to LAPoetry-n-Photo [2010-04-10 18:44:53 +0000 UTC]
This article does not suit everyone.
How so? In terms of the fact that a thoroughly sugar-coated comment can still hurt? Perhaps it is up to you whether you want to believe in what they are saying, and thus, you are allowing them to hurt you?
There is a good quote from Eleanor Roosevelt: No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Perhaps so. You are entitled to your own opinion.
We have already written a guide on 'How to Comment' and will be submitting a few more along the lines of what not to say, and why you should comment.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts, though.
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LAPoetry-n-Photo In reply to 3wyl [2010-04-10 19:16:09 +0000 UTC]
Perhaps I wasn't talking about myself being hurt? Perhaps I was speaking in regards to the dozens of deviants I have seen hurt by offending comments?
Perhaps I have that quote tacked to my Board of Inspiration?
Perhaps I think question marks and emoticons are supercilious?
Thank you for responding, though.
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LAPoetry-n-Photo In reply to 3wyl [2010-04-10 19:29:31 +0000 UTC]
Sorry if that came off as bitchy. My dad was ranting and raving because I asked for a new toilet. Sounds weird, yeah. Anywho. What I said still stands. Minus the snark.
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namenotrequired In reply to ??? [2010-04-09 18:50:52 +0000 UTC]
Another great guide! Well done
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3wyl In reply to namenotrequired [2010-04-10 14:33:59 +0000 UTC]
How many times is enough? O.o
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namenotrequired In reply to 3wyl [2010-04-10 18:57:50 +0000 UTC]
that is a good question, there.
o.0 hang on... you think there should be a specific number per day, or what?
I'm joking
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