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This guide will, hopefully, tackle the issues of how to show the disadvantages of a piece to an artist without turning them down, how to handle comments received, no matter how good or bad they are, and how to reply to the comments received, particularly if you don’t understand or you are bothered, which may lead to unnecessary drama.
How to show the disadvantages of a piece without turning the artist down (and making them feel worthless)
Tone
We all have our own perspectives, and so we all interpret things and, most importantly, comments differently. If Person A wrote a comment and thought they sounded quite calm, Person B could take the comment and perceive it as Person A attacking them.
One way to show the disadvantages of a piece is by reducing the accusing and insulting tone by introducing words such as "maybe/might", "perhaps", "I think", "could be", which softens the overall tone and make you sound less blunt and "in your face".
Additionally, putting a small disclaimer such as, "However, this is just how I see it", or "It might just be me", helps too.
Improvement
Improvement takes tone one step further. By making your tone less blunt, you could also illustrate how the person can improve and give them an alternative version to the piece, instead of saying, "The face is fat, period".
Why is the face fat?
If you included the reason why you thought the face was fat using the pointers in the Tone section above, you are already half way there.
The next half is explaining how they could improve, which leads to the next topic…
Balance
… Of finding a balance, which is key to making sure the artist doesn’t feel as if their entire piece is rubbish.
Don’t just focus on what you don’t like and what could be improved. After giving a bit of advice on how to improve, list some positive aspects about the piece, too, whether it is the colours, the details or the small things we often overlook.
Another aspect of balance is by matching your comment to the artist and their skill level. If the artist is not advanced in their art, don’t write about things that they can’t do (unless you illustrate how they can achieve it). Instead, create a balance by picking a few key areas where improvement can be made and balancing that out by the things that they can do with no improvement.
Format
Last but not least, it’s all to do with how you format and organise your comment. If you list something negative, and then a positive and then end with something negative, how will the artist feel to reading something that starts off positive, which leads to a negative and finally finishes on a positive?
In that way, a great way of making sure your comment feels balanced is by creating a "sandwich": Positive
Negative
Positive
It really makes a difference as to how the comments are received, because if you start with the negative they read the whole comment in a bad mood and if you finish on a negative they're thinking about the bad stuff when they reply to you. ~ Itti
Comments Received (How to handle and reply)
Thanks
First of all, thank them. If they comment positively or negatively about your piece, thank them. If you don’t want to thank them for the comment, thank them for the time they spent on the comment, even if their comment is downright insulting.
Why?
Because it will hopefully soften the inevitable confrontation that you will eventually have, if the comment is offensive.
If you can’t bring yourself to thank them, don’t fret about it! We’ll just move to the next point
Take a step back and breathe
Not literally, though! (Unless you want to)
Normally, seeing things with a new perspective can help prevent any drama that is looming. If taking a step back and breathing doesn’t work, don’t comment.
There is nothing wrong with leaving the comment for a day and then coming back to it, even though commenting straight away and flaming the other person in return is so much fun.
Additionally, don’t hesitate to hide the comment if you don’t want to comment and you don’t want anyone to see. Nothing is lost or gained, in that respect.
damphyr posted an awesome guide at communityops here about feeding trolls, or rather, not feeding them. It is a worthwhile read if you have a spare moment!
Replying to comments
Sometimes, the people commenting do not make themselves clear enough. Due to this, misinterpretation can happen and things may escalate when, really, you were all talking about the same thing anyway.
Thus, if you don’t understand a comment or you are bothered by it, think whether it is because the commenter is not making themselves clear or whether they actually intended to insult your piece. If it is the latter, repeat the step previously.
If someone is rude about your piece, the instinct is to fight and be rude back. If you feel this way, try and persuade yourself that the commenter had good intensions, even if it is not true.
Additionally, some people may not be very fluent in English, so they may not be able to find a proper way of expressing their thoughts.
In conclusion, think before replying. If you are confused or disturbed, perhaps you can ask a question to help clarify that, or perhaps you could explore the possibilities of what they meant.
If you have received a brilliant comment and you don’t know how to reply, the least you could do is thank them. Some people feel that because the other person has put time into the comment, that they should put time as well into responding, but when nothing comes to mind, it may be a problem.
An idea is that you could thank the person and then go to their own gallery and comment on one of their pieces in the same way, thus expressing your gratitude in a different form.
Overall, though, a comment is just a comment, from an artist who is just an artist. We all have different viewpoints, and like positive comments shouldn’t feed your ego (even though it does feel nice), negative comments shouldn’t bring you down, either.
A few interesting guides: doubting your art? - DON'T!
How to feel miserable as an artist
Accept - Don't Deflect!
Getting Over The DA Blues: Help Guide
Building a Stronger Community
How to Improve your Art
Criticism vs Constructive Criticism
The Official CC Critique Guide
Writing a Critique
Final Note
This guide is by no means accurate or complete and it does not apply to everyone. It was written by ProjectComment as a Group, by deviants, for deviants in the hope of providing some things to think about.
I would like to thank the following who contributed: amaira515, ChaoticSkye Iluvocnj2006, Itti , Scarlesaur and xblackxbloodxcellx . Their efforts in the making of this guide are much appreciated, and they deserve to be recognised.
Thank you for reading.
3wyl , posting on behalf of ProjectComment
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Comments: 361
WhiteKimahri In reply to ??? [2010-04-09 15:41:38 +0000 UTC]
A nice and very well written guide, indeed.
Critiques are always a delicate subject to talk on. I imagine how can the artist feel in front of the even softest critique, and so I try at my best to make it quite friendly.
Good work!
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lizi In reply to ??? [2010-04-09 15:37:46 +0000 UTC]
this is a pretty good guide, but I disagree with the first part, "Tone." all you're recommending is to make your speech more wishy-washy, which makes you sound like you're just talking out of your ass.
getting negative feedback from someone who doesn't know what they're talking about is way more offensive than getting good constructive criticisms from someone who seems like they know their stuff. speak with conviction!
but i definitely agree with the parts about the positive-negative-positive sandwich (look, i'm doing it now!) and also the "Improvement" section.
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3wyl In reply to lizi [2010-04-09 19:58:44 +0000 UTC]
I understand what you mean, there, and it may come off that way to some people... Perhaps it just depends on whether the artist wants critique, though? If they want it, then it might not be wise to have a wishy-washy tone.
That is quite true, as well. How do we know that the person does not know what they are talking about, though? Unless it is quite obvious?
Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
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lizi In reply to 3wyl [2010-04-10 19:39:36 +0000 UTC]
thanks for responding! i meant that regardless of whether or not they actually know what they're talking about, if they write with a wishy-washy tone it will seem like they don't. i guess my wording wasn't very clear, haha.
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false-prophetess In reply to ??? [2010-04-09 14:27:39 +0000 UTC]
Really good guide and very useful as a friend of mine just received a criticising comment and wasn't quite sure what to do about it
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RetroOutro In reply to ??? [2010-04-09 14:19:20 +0000 UTC]
I gotta say, if you're going to write a critique, it's probably wise to look to see if the artist has gotten any other not entirely positive comments and see if they went ballistic or replied relationally. Since a lot of people on here aren't very confident, or don't mean it when they ask for all types of comments, the tiniest 'maybe this wasn't necessary' sends them into spirals or irritation and self doubt. So, make sure they're receptive if there's any way you can before you waste time on an artist.
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FullMetalMono In reply to RetroOutro [2010-04-10 02:40:06 +0000 UTC]
I definitely agree!
There have been times where I was worried about the amount of negatives I wanted to bring up for a photo and the only way to check how receptive the artist would be was to check their page and see their general attitude to other deviants on the site. A quick check of replies on other deviations and a look at their journal entries goes a long way.
AND I've never had any problems when I've actually posted a critique after doing this check.
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3wyl In reply to RetroOutro [2010-04-09 19:55:46 +0000 UTC]
That is definitely wise!
Although quite a few people do not have any comments at all.
Hmm...
I feel it works both ways, and both people have to co-operate. It's all well and good the critic/commenter makes the effort, but the artist has to make the effort as well.
But yes, true that.
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RetroOutro In reply to 3wyl [2010-04-09 20:13:05 +0000 UTC]
Everyone should be civil, if only it was that way. This was more for the commenter's feelings. I comment and post a lot, and I know I've actually been hurt more often by a poor response to my comments than to my art. I won't comment on stuff that has too many replies though, I like focusing on people that don't get more than one page of comments on a piece, which makes following my own advice hard sometimes.
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3wyl In reply to RetroOutro [2010-04-10 18:32:40 +0000 UTC]
Hmm... The internet is the internet, I guess.
Really?
Yes, likewise.
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RetroOutro In reply to 3wyl [2010-04-10 18:41:35 +0000 UTC]
Hehe, I feel kinda slow, but what part of my statement was the really directed at? I just want to understand exactly what you said.
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3wyl In reply to RetroOutro [2010-04-10 19:01:17 +0000 UTC]
The really was directed at: I comment and post a lot, and I know I've actually been hurt more often by a poor response to my comments than to my art.
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RetroOutro In reply to 3wyl [2010-04-10 19:11:45 +0000 UTC]
Oh! Okay. Yeah, it really does hurt me more when people react poorly to something I say than something I post. I know my artwork is just a work in progress, but my thoughts are my feelings you know? I feel embarrassed when I fail to communicate, while when I fail to pull off proper perspective, it's because a lot of people have trouble with it and I just need more practice.
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3wyl In reply to RetroOutro [2010-04-11 19:34:09 +0000 UTC]
Mm-hmm. That's true.
I guess it all depends on your perception and such.
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Otacon144 In reply to ??? [2010-04-09 13:45:19 +0000 UTC]
Good reminder of format and considerations to be taken into account, but you also have to remember that there are some... okay, MANY people on dA who think that "criticism" means "personal attack," in any form it might take.
Sometimes, no matter how nice you are about it, they're still going to get pissed at you for daring to think them anything less than a brilliant artist, and refuse to listen to anything you say because you're not their "sensei," or simply because they have no ambition or drive to improve.
I once got into a very long argument with one kid because he kept brushing my advice aside, and making excuses as to why he couldn't do it - "yeah, I tried it, they don't work." "yeah, I tried this, it doesn't work for me." "yeah, I tried that, it didn't work for me either." I tried keeping my tone neutral, and the advice general - explaining line weights, basics of color theory and light, searching for/using reference pictures as a tool instead of just tracing them, as he did, etc, but the tone he used plainly conveyed he wasn't interested in anyone's advice except the "amazing master artists" he kept yapping about... who really weren't that good.
The ironic part? I found him because he joined a group DEDICATED TO GIVING CONSTRUCTIVE ADVICE.
Seriously, both ends of the exchange need to put in a little effort - you can give all the advice in the world on a good critique, but if the other person's going to be immature or stupid about it, there's really no fucking point to giving one at all.
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RetroOutro In reply to Otacon144 [2010-04-10 13:05:28 +0000 UTC]
lol you can feel free to tell me my color theory blows any time.
Seriously though, people are lucky when they get someone whose willing to give real advice. Some people do upload things they never plan on looking at again, they treat the site more for the social facet than the creative.
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Otacon144 In reply to RetroOutro [2010-04-10 18:58:53 +0000 UTC]
And that's why dA is slowly dying - the purpose for which it was made is being subsumed by stuff you can do on Facebook.
Don't get me wrong, I love Facebooking and socializing, and I'm glad to get to know fellow artists, but sometimes, when I need advice or I've hit a stretch of artists' block, it really gets frustrating knowing that this site's mostly full of people who are just here for the pretty pictures.
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RetroOutro In reply to Otacon144 [2010-04-10 19:15:19 +0000 UTC]
Dying might be a bit dramatic, though it's true every site had it's life cycle and dA will fade into oblivion one day.
I understand your frustration, though sites with higher standards like ConceptArt.org are just too professional oriented for me. I just wish there was some way to know right away before you comment. People should put at the top of their pages 'I am serious about art and want to grow' or 'I am here because my buds are, do not waste time thinking too hard about anything I post.'
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yeahgirl11 In reply to Otacon144 [2010-04-10 08:13:01 +0000 UTC]
I tried keeping my tone neutral, and the advice general - explaining line weights, basics of color theory and light, searching for/using reference pictures as a tool instead of just tracing them, as he did, etc, but the tone he used plainly conveyed he wasn't interested in anyone's advice except the "amazing master artists" he kept yapping about... who really weren't that good.
Wow, you was actually kind enough to go out of your way for that kid? What a jackass.
It's good to know there's still people like you are still around.
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Otacon144 In reply to yeahgirl11 [2010-04-10 18:53:22 +0000 UTC]
Some people are set in their ways. I dunno why I keep trying to snap them out of it. Maybe I'm a masochist.
Also,
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yeahgirl11 In reply to Otacon144 [2010-04-10 21:36:52 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, that's what they all say.
lol
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3wyl In reply to Otacon144 [2010-04-09 19:54:24 +0000 UTC]
That is true.
Then again, I guess it depends on whether they actually want critique or not, right?
Hmm...
In which case, it is not worth it, perhaps, if they have no ambition or drive to want to improve... How can we be artists if we never improve? =/
'Tis a shame, that.
That is actually pretty ironic. o.O
But then again, taking and giving are two separate things.
I agree that it works both ways, though. What you say is quite valid.
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TheOne89it In reply to ??? [2010-04-09 13:44:33 +0000 UTC]
I could almost bet that you haven't heard this one..
In a group I was the last one to vote for the rejection of a piece from and member.. and I had to say why.. (give an explanation about it).. and I had the reply I had never thought..
"I do dark art since I was born.. you're just stupid and can't see my value" (or something similar)..
the fact is that person left the group.. and joined another one as contributor.. where I was already contributing.. .. and started shitting me about what happened.. without knowing I was there too..
.. and when I replied telling her to stop bitchin' me.. she blocked me..
so that doesn't alwasy work.. (unfortunetly)..
anyway.. good guide..
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3wyl In reply to TheOne89it [2010-04-09 19:50:45 +0000 UTC]
Wow... o.O
Ah... humans these days.
It definitely doesn't apply to everyone.
Thank you for sharing that. It was interesting!
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TheOne89it In reply to 3wyl [2010-04-10 16:03:29 +0000 UTC]
well.. it happens.. I'm glad I could see this one too.. anyway.. people will always complain and most of them can't take a critique..
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Otacon144 In reply to TheOne89it [2010-04-09 13:46:44 +0000 UTC]
Molotov Cocktail. Solves everything fast and efficient-like.
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TheOne89it In reply to Otacon144 [2010-04-09 14:33:42 +0000 UTC]
no... I laughed a LOT about this.. It's nice too see how ppl react to this..
the.. "I do dark since I was born..." is EPIC..
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Relic-Angel In reply to ??? [2010-04-09 13:29:54 +0000 UTC]
This will help me heaps. Thankyou for posting it up.
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folkenio In reply to ??? [2010-04-09 13:19:49 +0000 UTC]
this is definitely one piece of a guide!! it gives some good advices, always useful and handy!! good job, matey!!!
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photofairy In reply to ??? [2010-04-09 12:53:48 +0000 UTC]
what a lovely article! you definitely explained the essence of constructive criticism, the "sandwich" is what it is all about, as well as matching the critique to the person's skill level and a subject they are interested in. i would add that, if someone despises certain subjects (say insects) that they should refrain from critiquing it because their critique will be heavily influenced by a negative attitude towards the subject.
all very valid points, you have my fave and now, i'm going to read the articles you linked to, all sounds so interesting!
excellent job
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3wyl In reply to photofairy [2010-04-09 19:45:56 +0000 UTC]
In that sense, to not make it too personal?
Thank you for the support.
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V1902 In reply to ??? [2010-04-09 12:36:25 +0000 UTC]
Critique in a candy wrapper? No thanks.
Criticism is what it is. Wrapping it up in a bow tie doesn't make it any better. People need to learn to take both constructive and non-constructive criticism.
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3wyl In reply to V1902 [2010-04-09 19:44:54 +0000 UTC]
Fair enough.
How would you propose for them to learn how to take both constructive and non-constructive criticism?
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FurLined In reply to V1902 [2010-04-09 13:15:52 +0000 UTC]
I agree it would be great if more people learned how to better deal with criticism of all types (and that's what the second half of 3wyl's article gives guidance on), you can't force people to learn anything - declaring what people need won't make it become true...
My feeling is if you're going to make the effort of leaving criticism for someone on a piece of their work then putting in a little extra effort to increase the chance they'll be receptive to that criticism is worthwhile. If you want to increase the chances that the recipient will be receptive to what you say then being diplomatic and polite about it, along the lines of what 3wyl is suggesting, will most likely help.
I don't think it's wrapping it in a candy wrapper to say something positive if you feel something positive about a piece and it's just as important to give someone feedback on what you feel they're getting right in a work as they may not realise what it is about their own piece that's working well. I personally only comment on pieces where I like something about them (I don't bother spending time looking at things where I don't like something about them), so it's a case of stating that (and why if I can express why) along with anything that occurs to me about how I feel the piece could be improved.
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Okami-Rain In reply to ??? [2010-04-09 12:32:40 +0000 UTC]
I thank people for critiqes because I rarely get them!
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Elle-Oh-Elle In reply to ??? [2010-04-09 11:34:07 +0000 UTC]
I've been using the sandwich method for a while now, and love it! I'm a tiptoe through the tulips type of person, but still want to give serious critique.
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Kadsy In reply to ??? [2010-04-09 11:10:49 +0000 UTC]
Too bad it's useless because half the people don't even comment. Everyone's off fave-whoring now.
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JezzieWolf In reply to Kadsy [2010-04-09 19:48:41 +0000 UTC]
I wouldn't say it's useless really, but you do have a point. A lot of people are just faving and not leaving a comment. I admit that I am guilty of such, but rarely and only when I can't exactly find the rights words to say. But I would like a few comments here and there of things people faved without leaving a comment.
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3wyl In reply to Kadsy [2010-04-09 19:39:47 +0000 UTC]
That is quite true in some respects.
Although there are loads of people that just fave and run, there are still those that strive to give people proper feedback.
Perhaps all you need to do is find the right people and Group?
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Belatucradus In reply to ??? [2010-04-09 10:56:10 +0000 UTC]
great article, it gives me a lot of good ideas for a constructive critic
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loaves In reply to ??? [2010-04-09 10:25:59 +0000 UTC]
Someone asked me just about this very thing! I'd like to say it is a lot like active listening only with your eyes. I liked the idea that asking a question about what the artist intended could be a door opener to honest but gentle comments. Sometimes you walk a thin line between positive and negative.Someone did comment on one of my pics but it was funny. All I said was that I had already said it was not one of my better works LOL. Really, though, sensitivity and gentleness are called for here. I have artists in my family who sometimes think their works suck. I have had a hard time with that but one of the artists said all she wanted was for me to understand and validate how she felt. Hmm a real dilemma because I think her art is much better than mine anyway. But it gave me pause to really stop and look at it from her point of view.
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3wyl In reply to loaves [2010-04-09 19:38:51 +0000 UTC]
A wonderful coincidence!
Indeed so. The tide can turn quite quickly and powerfully, there.
It certainly wouldn't hurt, although it really is up to the artist and who and what they are.
We are our harshest critic, no?
Empathy in that respect, I feel... It's important to have... empathy.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
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loaves In reply to 3wyl [2010-04-10 12:17:31 +0000 UTC]
Yes, I agree that empathy is really important when addressing something from someone's heart and soul.
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