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Albertonykus — Nostalgia and the Golden Age

Published: 2011-01-16 13:24:50 +0000 UTC; Views: 4020; Favourites: 23; Downloads: 25
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Description All too often I see assertions that some person's childhood has been ruined forever because real dinosaurs were nothing like what they grew up with.

Take dromaeosaurids, for example. People complain about how uncool real dromaeosaurids were after learning that they were actually ambush predators lacking adaptations for fast running and were no smarter than the least intelligent birds living today, unlike what Jurassic Park and almost all other popular media depict. And they had feathers, but Your Mileage May Vary on how uncool that is. (I personally find assertions that feathered maniraptors are uncool ridiculous. A naked chicken doesn't look cooler than a feathered chicken. A naked eagle certainly doesn't look cooler than a feathered eagle. Why would a naked dromaeosaurid be cooler than a feathered one?)

But they ignore all the cool stuff we have learned about them. They could climb trees. They had very strong bites for their size, so they could attack prey larger than themselves. (But a coyote-sized dromaeosaurid, or even a group, killing an elephant-sized ornithopod is as ridiculous as it's always been.) They could fly, and those that couldn't probably had ancestors that could. They were carnivores that had herbivorous and omnivorous ancestors. That's a nice set of cool facts right there. And, frankly, people who like Jurassic Park "raptors" instead of real dromaeosaurids don't actually like dromaeosaurids. They like made up monsters.

There's nothing wrong with liking made up monsters or outdated dinosaurs, as long as we realize that they're just made up and outdated. And just because people like made up monsters or outdated dinosaurs doesn't mean they can't also like real dinosaurs. I'm certain many people like both. But a real problem is when people refuse to accept the existence of real dinosaurs because they grew up with made up monsters. I actually don't understand this point of view, because I don't see how growing up with something makes it true. I grew up thinking the third finger of Daubentonia madagascariensis was longer than its fourth finger, but it's not . In science (including and especially paleontology), one must always be prepared to abandon what you think you know if enough evidence turns up to invalidate it. Even things we thought were true a few months or years ago may have already been overturned. One may prefer older, falsified ideas over newer, more accurate ones, but realize that preferences have nothing to do with reality.
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Comments: 64

Kazanlak10 In reply to ??? [2011-01-17 18:00:12 +0000 UTC]

Obviously the "cheetah speed" 50-60mph sprinting mentioned in Jurassic Park is ridiculous. What kind of running speeds are currently being proposed for the dromaeosaurs like Deinonychus and Velociraptor?

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JD-man In reply to Kazanlak10 [2011-07-07 16:02:35 +0000 UTC]

Based on what I've read (E.g. [link] ), the fastest dromaeosaurids (I.e. Velociraptorines) had an estimated max. running speed of about 25 mph (I.e. Italian Greyhound-speed).

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Albertonykus In reply to Kazanlak10 [2011-01-18 01:26:53 +0000 UTC]

I don't know of any exact numbers, but they have absolutely no adaptations to speed at all compared to other theropods such as tyrannosaurids, ornithomimids, or troodonts. They have short, strong feet for climbing and attacking, not long slender ones for running.

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BrandonPilcher In reply to ??? [2011-01-17 06:42:35 +0000 UTC]

I actually find the idea of dromaeosaurids climbing trees is actually rather sweet, because then they remind me of leopards. People often liken raptors to wolves or hyenas, but what if they were more like leopards, lurking in the trees?

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Albertonykus In reply to BrandonPilcher [2011-01-17 07:04:22 +0000 UTC]

I concur. If I were to compare dromaeosaurids to a predatory mammalian group it'd probably be felids. (Ambush predators, tree climbers, use both claws and teeth in hunting, etc.)

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ericcartman2546 In reply to ??? [2011-01-16 22:42:07 +0000 UTC]

right on!

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ericcartman2546 In reply to ??? [2011-01-16 22:40:27 +0000 UTC]

feathers make them look even cooler

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Albertonykus In reply to ericcartman2546 [2011-01-17 01:25:26 +0000 UTC]

Agreed.

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KilldeerCheer [2011-01-16 14:45:01 +0000 UTC]

This is so very true. I grew up in the 1990s, so I've seen first-hand how paleontology has changed.
One of my most favorite things with dinosaurs growing up was the "Rite of Spring" segment in "Fantasia". Scientifically inaccurate but artificially stunning. But then I started researching it. The movie was made in 1940, so it is very old-school. The animators and staff involved worked very hard to concieve the prehistoric world they wanted to show. Asking museums and paleontologists to present them with the "latest" information, and then sketching and drawing everything they learned. Finally leading into one of the "darkest yet true-to-life" segments of the movie.
Now it is pretty obvious that the picture is very dated: the asteroid-theory wasn't even imagined, dinosaurs were shown (and told) to be slow, sluggish, and not very bright, and it was said that they were present in the air and the seas (not referring to avians, but to the pterosaurs and plesiosaurs). Of course, let's not forget the epic Tyrannosaurus-vs-Stegosaurus.
Still though, the segment will always be the best. It's moral views on survival-of-the-fittist, nature's unpredictability, and circle-of-life are always good ones.
I'm currently in the process of creating a "re-imagining" of the "Rite of Spring" and animating it. A sort of "spiritual update" for those who would like to see how paleontology has changed from those humble times.

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Albertonykus In reply to KilldeerCheer [2011-01-16 14:47:28 +0000 UTC]

Not to mention that three-fingered Tyrannosaurus "because it looks better that way". That's a great project you're working on!

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KilldeerCheer In reply to Albertonykus [2011-01-16 14:49:21 +0000 UTC]

Thanks, it's actually a pretty big undertaking and I can't wait until it is finished.

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Crash-the-Megaraptor [2011-01-16 13:39:01 +0000 UTC]

I don't really mind, to be honest.

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Albertonykus In reply to Crash-the-Megaraptor [2011-01-16 13:50:26 +0000 UTC]

Nor do I. I've long since learned this is just the way paleontology works.

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