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Morbid .... but accurate .... you should have both Voldemort and Dumbledore up there, as if they are both using him ....
lol this makes me think of "Dishwasher Vampire Smile" xD
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I did think about having Voldemort up there but...I liked it this way much better because I wanted to emphasize Dumbledores use of him. Voldemort is the bad evil guy we expect him to use people and not give a crap. We don't usually expect that sort of behavior from 'The Good Guys'. The shock of Dumbledore using Snape the way he did is much stronger.
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True .... I didn't mean it as an offence at all .... I do like this ...
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I understand, I didn't take any offense to it, sorry if it sounded like I did.
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Poor Severus! *huggles him*
The fact that he still managed to retain his honour and integrity despite being used and abused by just about everyone in his life, speaks volumes for the innate goodness of his soul: represented by his beautiful, innocent anima Patronus.
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And that's why I hate Dumbledore. -.-
Very good piece.
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p.s. the creepiest part about Dumbledore as far as Snape goes for me is that he seems to encourage Snape to hold onto his guilt because it is that motivation that makes him so useful as a spy. But it also keeps Severus from ever letting himself be happy or change for the better on a personal level because he never forgives himself (and from what we see, Dumbledore is the only one close enough to his pain to really help him with that). This is something I really hate about him, how he seems to take advantage of how emotionally stunted Severus is. He claims to be disgusted by it, but I don't see him really encouraging him to change for the better as a person, only to change to the better *side* through his actions (because if Snape becomes less ruled by his guilt and bitterness, if he comes to see himself and others as worthy of good treatment and forgiveness, then he can't be as easily manipulated)
I HOPE THAT MAKES SENSE
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I don't completely agree with you. the decision to hold on to Lily an his quiltiness of her death made Snape himself. Of course, Dumbledore used it !at the beginning! to "get" snape, but I believe he hadn't planned, that snape never overcomes this. If he had - why is he so suprised of the silvery doe? If snapes love to lily is for Albus still the base of their cooperation, he would have no need to ask "after all this time?". I think he planned for Snape to go the way he is gone, starting from the personal tragedy (Ariana) to become interessed in fighting the evil in general. I think he also planned to get harry and snape "together", so that snape begins to love the boy like a son (or at least nephew), turns his lily-love to "father"-love and is open to find new relationships with living people. But snape never goes this way, he keeps in his selfhate and hate for james, is unable to forgive himself and to learn from his mistake to become a "better person" and never starts "to care for the boy", keeps only punishing himself - and Dumbledore recognises all this too late. The unbreakable vow is spoken, Albus will die and leaves severus alone in the darkness of an ulsolved lovestory, selfhate and lonliness (beause dumbledore is the only fried he has) - and that makes Albus crying. So my interpetation. Of cause, this plannings are manipulative, too, but not as evil as to hinder someone to find self-forgiveness
beside of this, I like the painting too
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Makes plenty of sense to me. u__u So sad, but I love the discussions. I agree with the things you said.
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It does, I completely agree. I quite liked the character of Dunbledore until I found out what he was really like, reading Deathly Hallows. He's a nasty, manipulative man who uses people regardless of the pain it causes them, albeit for what he considers the greater good, not personal gain. But it's really only chance that that spell hit Adriana and his idea of the greater good changed from the one he shared with Grindelwald.
I think Dumbledore really was an unsavoury character, for all the good he did. But I am biased since Severus is my personal favourite.
On a more positive note, I find Albus extremely interesting due to his conflicted character and twisted past. The imperfect characters are always the more engaging.
Apologies for the rant I have imposed upon you! Your comment just got me thinking
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*Dumbledore.
**Ariana
Wow, did a good job of undermining the value of my opinions there ="=
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that is so true voldemort and dumbledore both used snape in their own plots. Its sad Severus needs his own choices TOO!
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Dangit Dumbledore . . .
very nice x3 love the concept
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Oh wow! This just sent prickles over my scalp! So perfect, so terrible.
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I really like the idea! Nice work!
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Gorgeous concept, seriously. Allow me to join in with the general Dumbledore-dislike on this page
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So evocative. I hate Dumbledore. He uses Snape's pain for his purposes, while he's guilty too, he wasn't able to protect Lily's family, but he doesn't seem to show his own regret. Sometimes he's so cold and inhuman I don't understand if he's a good carachter or a bad. Maybe he's only an impersonal "Deus ex machina", ora a puppeteer, just like you draw.
And I totally agree with you and SempreAmore. I thank you for this picture too. <3
PS: Sorry for my English, I'm from Italy!
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Your English sounds great. He did use Snape's pain against him, clearly. At the same time...Dumbledore protecting him probably kept him out of Azkaban. Snape's life was still a sort of prison though, despite not literally being in one. Thanks for your wonderful comment, I'm glad you like the pic and glad to see people are liking the concept too.
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Well, I must say it. You draw my thoughts exactly!
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Been on my mind for awhile really. Thanks for commenting
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Thank you so much.
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i really almost cried when i saw this. Ive always wanted to see someone do it cause i ust dont have the heart to draw snape that way...
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He's my favorite character so yeah, it is hard, but I've had the idea for awhile so I had to. I don't like when Dumbledore is made out to be this completely good and fun character because that is certainly not all there is to him.
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ikr, snape is layered...and dumbledore used snapes devotion and caring to his own advantage...i love how snape fought back tho, simple and perfect...his patronus....
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Finally what? And er...you're welcome?
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Somebody is displaying that he used Severus like his personal puppet! Sorry, I don't like Dumbledore all to much, he is a very mulplitive and only gives piece of need to know information to his choice as if all of the it was about him. I mean I don't hate or anything, but he is definatly not my favorite... Sorry for all the grammatical errors. I'm tired lol..
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He IS manipulative. There are some small things that I enjoy about Dumbledore's character but over all, it's eerie how cruel he can be even though he is supposed to be one of the top 'good guys'. The worst was when Snape was torn apart by having just lost Lily, and Dumbledore was saying 'Do you remember her eyes?" (maybe not the exact wording, but generally that was it.) That was a really sick thing to do, it literally made me grimace in disgust when I read that. Severus had already expressed that he was so upset and in so much pain over it that he wished he was dead too, and then Dumbledore does that. I didn't expect him to comfort Snape or anything of that sort, but that was just awful and twisted. Don't worry about the grammar, no big deal, I'm tired too.
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I think he was just really pissed with Snape at that point. He didn't know how genuine Severus' change of heart was.
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That's my opinion, too. James and lily Potter had been dumbledores friends, too. I think it's humanely that he isn't very nice to him (like "you damn betrayer, why are you crying, you have caused their death and now you even don't care about the boy!?!) - in that scene! But his coldness breaks even at the end of that - he gets gentle, when he swears never to tell somebody of the "best at snape". I think Dumbledore hadn't realized at this poit yet how much Snape had suffered under james potter. But this understanding seems to change while the years went by. In the prisoneer of askaban, Dumbledore shows in front of fudge that he understands, why snape wants to see Sirius kissed by the dementor - what a difference to "you disgust me"!
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Good point! I hadn't remembered that part at all.
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Dumbles also forces Snape to enslave himself for life in exchange for an action (protecting the Potters) that Dumbles would have done anyway. Then he fails to do it.
I also think it was cruel for him to tell Severus he was morally reprehensible for caring more about Lily than about James (who bullied him) and Harry (whom he's never even seen). Dumbles talks about love, but he doesn't seem to know how it operates. When you love someone, you care more about that person than you do about other people. That's how love works.
The man is vile.
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I hope you don't mind me joining in this great conversation!
I actually think it's worse than that. I don't think Dumbledore ever had any intention of saving the Potters. If you think about it, he needed for Voldemort to attempt to kill Harry so that the second part of the prophecy could be fulfilled, i.e. for Voldemort to 'mark him as his equal.'
Also, he could have easily obliviated Snape after he heard the first part of the prophecy. Aberforth caught him at it, after all. But no! He allowed Severus to go tell Voldemort about it.
I think Dumbledore could have taught Machiavelli a thing or two about manipulation.
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I don't know how AllOutOfBubbleGum feels about it, but I love discussions like this, as long as they don't turn hostile. It's only fandom, after all.
The whole "Overhearing the Prophesy" scene contains one of JKR's major plot holes (or plot points she never explains to us). We're told Snape heard the FIRST half of the prophesy and was ejected, presumably while Trewlawny continued to rattle on, unaware of anything around her. Yet we're also told Trewlawny saw and remembered the details of Snape's ejection. This doesn't scan. It would work if Snape heard the LAST part, which is just a repeat of the first, but we're constantly told it was the FIRST part.
Suppose Severus hears the entire prophesy; Dumbledore recruits him as a spy on the spot, and sends back to Voldie with instructions to reveal only half the prophesy, for the very reason you cite. There's a whole analysis of this over at Red Hen Publications [link] though it was done before canon was complete and therefore no longer covers everything.
In any case, I think you're right that Dumbles needed to have the prophesy revealed, just as he needed to have Harry raised in a home that would make him want to reject the entire muggle world and embrace the wizarding world with Dumbledore as its chief exponent. Great generals are rarely nice men.
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I love the discussions, and they bring up a lot of points others and myself may not have considered before. It's cool that a piece of art can bring up so much. Janach and Pythiadelphi bring up some great points I never personally thought about. This is awesome...keep going if you want guys! I like this. Janach, thanks for that link too!
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