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salyssong In reply to ??? [2017-04-15 22:55:45 +0000 UTC]

I agree. The transition between colours is superb and the sybolism is well picked.
I hope you don't mind my intrusion

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lolzalimango In reply to Yusuna-chan [2017-04-17 00:47:25 +0000 UTC]

thats y its refugees in a NUTSHELL

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Earth-Dreamers In reply to Yusuna-chan [2017-04-16 14:27:55 +0000 UTC]

Now that you say it...
ARE THOSE HUMAN-SIZED WALNUTS WITH FREAKIN' CANDLES ON TOP OF THEM FLOATING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE OCEAN?

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Yusuna-chan In reply to Earth-Dreamers [2017-04-16 15:21:35 +0000 UTC]

YEAH RIGHT!? THE LONGER YOU LOOK AT IT THE MORE IT IS RIGHT THAT!!!!

(sorry for caps ;D)

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NekomataTenshi In reply to punkncolors [2017-04-15 13:16:02 +0000 UTC]

just when they are real refugees, they need help, not like others stealing their places while they have save homelands

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Theriyaki In reply to Autotrooper42 [2017-04-15 00:56:51 +0000 UTC]

I think it is pro refugee because of the description, It feels human and is positive to call them stars looking for homes intead of labelling them refugees. The title relates to them being in actual nutshells as the image shows not actual life boats.

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SnailPropulsionLabs In reply to nort1 [2017-04-15 03:55:13 +0000 UTC]

So you have spoken to "most" refugees to have any sort of actual information to base this assertion on?
I'd be interested to know if you've actually sat down with any refugees to understand their perspective and experiences.

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sjorv In reply to nort1 [2017-04-14 23:16:11 +0000 UTC]

sadly mostly they are seeking a better life, which is what all refugees are doing in the end

you can still live in a war-torn zone, you just have a much higher chance of dying

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JujuChiii In reply to nort1 [2017-04-14 22:36:11 +0000 UTC]

Most of them are refugees I feel like mainly because the reason they are moving so rapidly and wanting to come in big numbers is to get away from the shitty country. Just saying, people that are moving to a different country sorta makes them immigrants by default so they are all immigrants but also refugees or people looking to get away from their country's poor condition.

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nort1 In reply to JujuChiii [2017-04-14 23:22:32 +0000 UTC]

So any person in any country who is not rich or don't like his homeland or just want free accomodation and allowance can migrate to another and be considered as refugee? No.
As I said before, mostly they're people from many asian countries, where there're no active combat actions, where there is no serious and indiscriminate threats to life, etc.
Yes, in that countries the standart of living is lower, but it's issue to solve for those thousands of migrants. 
When you have no money - you're not begging it from those who work hard. You work hard. When your country have problems - you're not just moving to another. You solve it.
Because it's your life and your country.

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JujuChiii In reply to nort1 [2017-04-14 23:25:47 +0000 UTC]

I was referencing the people from Syria only. Not from other countries whereas people do move due to their own free will and if they want to because they want to work hard and succeed in a better life etc. I was calling them refugees because I thought we were only talking about the people in the Syria crisis. My bad...

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TreeWyrm In reply to JujuChiii [2017-04-15 08:24:19 +0000 UTC]

I think you're all correct. We *should* try harder (all of us) to fix problems where we are instead of running away. Immigrants, when they aren't 'refugees' from some extreme hardship,  remind us of our own daily cowardices and that's why we tend towards hating them so much.

* Every time you 'move school to get away from bullies' - maybe if you'd made it your life's mission to change that school's culture, it'd be better now?
* Every time you 'moved to find work in another city' - well  what if you'd taken your skills instead of running off somewhere you'd get better wages, you'd stuck it out where you came from and shared your skills with those who need them most?
* Every time you left a job because a company was going downhill, or because of an abusive boss - sure it might be easier to leave and find a new job than hold a boss accountable but what about the next guy? And sure you jumped ship when the company was going under, but what about the people still on it when it  finally sinks?

"All these little abandonments... I  jump my ship as I take it...  personally..." - 'So Unsexy' by Alanis Morrissette

Immigrants are jumping their own ships, we feel we're picking up the pieces while they're dodging the bullet. What's worse,  trouble always follows a coward to a new home, and we instinctively know that what a person allows to pass out of cowardice, will open the door to yet more problems down the line - with wider and wider impacts outside of themselves wherever they go.

Sikhs and Muslims escaping each others victimisations in differing nations, come here and  play out the same old hatreds. When you jump to a new job instead of fighting a harassment case, then maybe if your new job meant a promotion, you're a danger in that position of responsibility because you'll turn a blind eye to things happening on your watch because one thing hasn't changed: you don't want to deal with the stress of fighting for what's right.

But if we can forgive ourselves our cowardices, perhaps we should forgive others. Or at very least: hold ourselves to as high standards.

I don't think fighting a harassment case is easy. I don't think standing up to an abusive boss is easy. I also know, that sometimes fighting back or standing up or trying to be the one who leads a change, can be unfeasible. Money makes a big difference wherever you are in the world: have it and you can change things, don't have  it: good luck.  There's power in knowledge and education, there's power in skills, there's power in  numbers,  there's power in white skin, in being one gender or another, in able-bodiedness, in money, and born circumstances.

I think all we can ever fairly do, is to ask people to do what they *can* to help, so long as it is responsible too do so.  Nothing less. Nothing more. An absolute line.

If you really do want to end immigration, and refugees though, there is only one solution that works: make the place people are escaping from as good as where they're going. That requires two sides to work together: the people fleeing, but also people in the 'better place'.

Please encourage this idea to spread:

What if we stamped out unequal treatments of immigrants in the 'better places' (removing the competitive edge that immigrants have versus native workers that unscrupulous *employers* seek  to advantage from)?
And what if instead of pouring money into nations through their corrupted governments and (worse) through our own militaries when we drop bombs on them, we poured that money into the immigrants that come to us? Treat them as guests, foster in them the very highest aspirations and ideals, network them with each other and connections to our own industry, education and support  systems, *train* them and bolster their resolve to help as  many as possible to harbour a *want* to return to fix their  homelands. With a can-do attitude and the backing of contacts and resources from us,  imagine what an *army* (skilled, trained, mentally robust, capable and driven) of immigrants could do?

Maybe that'd be an actual army from time to time. Other times it'd be an army of 'healthcare system reboot in waiting' or 'redesign of education system' or 'infrastructure  and networks development' or 'promoting cultural shifts  away from bribery and corruption towards integrity and problem-solving'.

Right now, all immigrants get to see of us, is the reality of our own cowardice: how even in *our* nations,  the rich screw over the poor,  it's dog-eat-dog, where anyone with an opportunity to shun cost and get something (or out of something) for free will take it. Is it surprising that coming from nations where that's a *survival skill*, that they take (at least some) to that like a duck to water? What familiarity they find in our nations, is nothing we should be  proud of, and at  every step of that process: we lose the opportunity to a) really make their lives better b) learn something useful from them (diversity conquers adversity, remember), and c) fix the 'problem' of our being inundated by people hopeful of a better life on our soil than they had in their homeland.

Imagine if we turned that on its head.

Imagine what you'd do, if  someone told you: "You know what? If you can find the courage to stand and fight against this dreadful boss of yours, I'll do everything I can to help you win."  or "If you are willing to apply the skills you have to help the down-and-out community you came from,  *I'll* pay your wages whilst you do it as a charitable out-reach programme."

Imagine being *grateful* to the person whose position you filled because they stayed with that company through hard times, and worked tirelessly to get it back up on its feet so that ultimately: you'd have a job to go to. Imagine  how you'd feel if someone brought you a way of thinking that  despite your scepticism, you learn has sevenfold returns improving your community. Imagine getting schooling when your gender previously meant you couldn't. Imagine that.

So next time you groan and moan about immigrants and refugees, ask yourself what *you*  aren't proud of doing, or what things you should have done but know were infeasible to do. Ask yourself - ask those refugees - what the real problems are, and since their being here is your problem: what can you do to fix the root cause?

It takes a lot of patience - and a lot of other forms of power - to really build better futures. Do whatever is responsible that you can do. Nothing more, nothing less. If you think that's what they need to do, then you're the one thinking it, so you're the one  in the position to lead by example. When you're willing to step in and get your  hands dirty, that's when you'll have the most impact, and helping others... will help yourself.

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JujuChiii In reply to TreeWyrm [2017-04-15 12:44:35 +0000 UTC]

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for helping other people find a better life. No matter who they are.

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TreeWyrm In reply to JujuChiii [2017-04-18 11:16:36 +0000 UTC]

Well let me know what you think of my idea then. I really think it could work: cut international aid, pour that money instead into immigrants and building relationships between them (especially when from opposing sides of a cultural or war divide within the same nation)and between them and people in our nations who have ideas and know-how to help them go back to their home nations to change them for the better.

I really think it's worth trying to encourage. Top-down approaches alone lead to corruption in the dissemination of moneys. What if we mixed it up a little? Also, treating immigrants from the get go as absolute equals would completely undermine any competitive edge the native workforce argues an immigrant has over them for getting jobs.

If you can't make someone work more than so many hours (tighten that up legally), if you have to pay them overtime even a native would find worthwhile earning, if you have to pay wages to meet a year-round  residence living cost of staying in our nations... If you have to do all that, what competitive edge does the immigrant have left?

A potential second language barrier to precise and concise communication (a disadvantage) that means unless they are *a lot better* at their jobs (and some are), better talented and better  qualified (the quality of their experiences and qualifications being higher), they're not going to get a job a native could. If immigrants are still then beating natives to jobs, the smart thing would be to see the immigrants winning that race as inspirational and potential teachers, trainers, and otherwise sources of wisdom - what might we learn from them, to improve our education system, or how might we work with them to get *our* native workforces and youngsters the same edge  through  exchange programmes?

Turn a wholly bad relationship that has fostered a cultural divide for decades between communities, and instead strive to take from the best of both, for the benefit of both.

What do you think?! Honestly - I'm practising explaining it.

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JujuChiii In reply to TreeWyrm [2017-04-18 11:50:42 +0000 UTC]

Your statement or Point of View isn't bad, but with how most people are these days, lots of people are ignorant and just dont care. Some will agree, lots will not. I mean, I understood this quite a bit but it could use some more working on, also, I felt like you repeated yourself a little and that's not bad but I dunno. Im not amazing at this stuff XD

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TreeWyrm In reply to JujuChiii [2017-04-21 12:43:43 +0000 UTC]

Well thanks for getting back to me anyway. Much appreciated!

It's always hit and miss with repetition. Some people don't need it. Generally though, it's drummed into you when you're writing e.g. a PhD thesis that you have to repeat things many times over to get them to sink in/join up. Summaries of summaries... :S

Thanks for reading!

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JujuChiii In reply to TreeWyrm [2017-04-21 12:45:26 +0000 UTC]

Np

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