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Atamolos β€” Spock on Collectivism

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Description Interesting fact: Β Gene Roddenberry was a socialist.
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Greatkingrat88 In reply to ??? [2014-01-25 09:41:20 +0000 UTC]

I guess I don't know communism all that well- I know it aims to create a classless society in which ownership of everything is shared by everyone- but the many over the few sounds distinctly utilitarian.

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Atamolos In reply to Greatkingrat88 [2014-01-25 19:04:20 +0000 UTC]

Or at least, the means of production must be collectivized before property is abolished completely.

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Greatkingrat88 In reply to Atamolos [2014-01-26 09:58:10 +0000 UTC]

Which seems less than doable.

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Atamolos In reply to Greatkingrat88 [2014-01-26 15:17:54 +0000 UTC]

Immediately, yes, but it's a gradual evolution.

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Atamolos In reply to Greatkingrat88 [2014-01-25 18:52:17 +0000 UTC]

You're right on most of that, except the "common ownership" refers to the means of production, rather than all property.

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Greatkingrat88 In reply to Atamolos [2014-01-25 19:04:15 +0000 UTC]

Ah, I see.

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bttlrp In reply to Greatkingrat88 [2014-01-25 12:23:23 +0000 UTC]

Yep, but it's a byproduct of the dissolution of property. Individual rights are based on the right to own capital. When humanity itself is seen as an end over and above valorisation of the rich, Spock's word will be made flesh, as it were.

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Greatkingrat88 In reply to bttlrp [2014-01-25 12:40:42 +0000 UTC]

I don't quite understand, I fear.

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Spacer176 In reply to ??? [2014-01-25 00:04:09 +0000 UTC]

Considering how much it shows up in Star Trek...

Damn, this is going to be a hard blow for some people.

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Atamolos In reply to Spacer176 [2014-01-25 01:28:09 +0000 UTC]

With any luck it will. Β That's essentially the point.

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Master-of-the-Boot In reply to ??? [2014-01-25 00:03:22 +0000 UTC]

Interesting, yet few here in the West would share spock's sentiment.Β 


Hell, he was always the coolest character on the show

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Atamolos In reply to Master-of-the-Boot [2014-01-25 00:11:34 +0000 UTC]

Without a doubt. Β 

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