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Published: 2013-03-22 06:16:56 +0000 UTC; Views: 7834; Favourites: 197; Downloads: 0
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another addition to my crossover fan art. ^^its just an epic between these 2 green fellas. ^^ Piccolo seems to have a hard time fighting the Hulk. but still piccolo is still the best! hehehe..
*copyright goes to Marvel and Dragonball Z characters.
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But you did say that Thor "always" moves at lightspeed+++
However the very concept of PIS and it's application to Thor,
pretty much disproves your argument, therefore, your assertion
that he always move faster than light has been proved to be necessarily false.
And then, you are powerscalling Hulk to be MFTL by fighting supposedly βFTL charactersβ,
but then, given the possibility of PIS, it doesnβt really proves Hulk to be MFTL.
*Besides, PIS is used for things which are considered inconsistent, and characters
like Spiderman and Wolverine have consistently shown superior combat speed
to that of Thor and Hulk on most of their encounters.
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When fighting, some versions of Thor can fight at light speed some cannot, just like saiyan saga goku is much slower then revival of f goku
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So, I guess that you are now turnning back against your own arguments, because you did say he "always" moves light speed.
Also, whether some versions of Thor can actually fight at light speed or not, doesn't really takes out the PIS out of the equation, and Hulk has yet to prove he can really fight at FTL speeds.
And also, remember Marvel's executive editor did say in a way that Thor doesn't have FTL speed in a way that is suitable for battle, but rather just for travel:Β Β Β Β Β Β
Β Marvel's executive editor's words
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His not talking about every single Thor that ever existed XD
MOST thors ate mftl+ in travel speed and ftl reaction speeds
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Well, you can read it again if you want to, he is definitely talking about Thor in general (no specific Thor was mentioned), which means that, even if some versions of Thor could fight at ftl speeds, MOST Thors are definitely not ftl combatants, which is consistent with characters like Captain America or Spiderman been able to dodge his attacks and which is further consistent with them been able to dodge Hulks attacks, who ussually gives problems to Thor.
Basically:
In terms of combat speed:Β Β Β Spiderman, Caps, Wolverine >>>> Thor and Hulk
Thor is a powerhouse, and he mostly depends on his durability, strenght, and Mjolnir powerful attacks, but he certainly isn't an ftl fighter, or at least not for most of the time, or not most of Thors.
If Thor was an ftl combatant, then he would be able to easily speed blitz characters like Hulk, Captain America, Wolverine or Spiderman, but so far, so good, Thor has never shown to be able to take on any of those characters at a speeds they couldn't react to.
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yet the times thor is at his best and hulk is, they are mftl
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Β Ipse dixit fallacy.
That is an unsuportted claim.
Nothing, but a mere assertion of yours.
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www.comicvine.com/forums/thor-β¦
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In non of those scans, Thor has shown to be an ftl fighter, and even if he were, Hulk still isn't ftl,
so my point stands still:
"yet the times thor is at his best and hulk is, they are mftl"
You didn't even try on Hulk side, still a mere assertion of yours.
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I will respect your opinion, but that is bogus, I already showedΒ you scans of Hulk speed blitzing Ironman
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Ok, lol.
Ironman isn't even close to DBZ speeds anyway :/
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still mans something if his speedblitzing someone fast right?
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Well, I'm not saying he is slow, but I'm saying he isn't as fast as you said he is, because you said he was ftl.
For instance, while he does have some degree of superspeed, I don't think he is ftl.
And blitzing Ironman doesn't proves him been FTL.
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Iron man is many times faster then sound and to Hulk to blitz that he would have to be SO MUCH faster
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Yeah, Hulk should be faster than the speed of the sound, but you said he was faster than light.
And the light is about 880991 times faster than the sound.
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Hulk was calm when he was mftl, and the angrier he gets, the stronger, faster and healing factor gets faster.
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Iron Man is about 5 or 8 times faster than the sound at max, and that is only when travelling (linear speed), and after acelerating for several seconds, but he can't do a set of consecutive movement combos at those speeds in a small area, so that would avoid him to figth at those speeds.
Also, while Iron Man's suit have a lot of different kinds of sensors and an artificial inteligence that can help him in battle, the suit doesn't really increases much his reaction speed.
So overall, speedblitzing Iron Man isn't a great thing.
And Hulk is several times faster than the sound, but he is far from been light speed.
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How much faster then an person do you need to be to speed blitz them?
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Well, speedblitzing depends on more than one factor.
The reaction speed of the one that gets speedblitzed (that is affected by the mood, distractions and others, etc...)
The distance at which the characters are from each other
The speed at which the characters are moving.
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And what you call "speed" isn't an unilateral factor, there are many kinds of speeds, for example:
There is acceleration and dessaceleration rate, or how fast can a character increase, decrease or change his speed.
There is the top speed for each single movement.
There is movement rate, or how fast can a character do succesful consecutive moments.
Each of them has an average which is what the character would ussually be able to achieve under most circumstances.
And each of those speeds might even vary depending on which part of the body we are talking about (Arms, torso, head, hips, legs, the entire body, etc...)
And there is also reaction speed
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Overall, Hulk is a very variable character.
But he most definitely isn't FTL when at calm state, because if that was true, then people like Spiderman, Wolverine or Captain America would never be able to dodge his attacks.
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If I had to rate hulks speed factors, I would say:
Acceleration rate:
high, can accelerate from 0 to mach 33 or higher in a small fraction of a second
Top speed:
About mach 33 when he jumps, that his max translational speed under normal circumstances.
His punches can move much faster than that.
Movement rate:
Fast, but not faster than somebody like Spiderman, each individual punch of Hulk is faster than any punch of Spiderman, but Spiderman can throw more punches per second or minute than Hulk, because the time between each of Hulk's punches is larger than the time between each of Spiderman's punches.
That is one of the reason characters like Spiderman can continuosly dodge Hulk's attacks, because he can outpace him by performing a set of different actions or consecutive movements at a much faster rate.
Reaction speed:
Superhuman, depends on his level of angry.
His reaction speed varies from low superhuman or metahuman to massively hypersonic.
Can be outpaced by some other low meta humans on some occasions, on others can react to missiles and cannon bullets, etc...
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But didn't you say Ironman was mach 4? and Hulk was calm when he blitzed him, seriously, Hulk calm is planet busting and Hulk angry is universe busting, shouldn't the speed have a gap too?
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I said that Iron Man was about mach 5 or 8 at max, but only when accelerating straight line in open wide sky
He can't use that much speed in battle, because a battle would require him to make fast consecutive movements, and he woiuld have to deal with acceleration, desaceleration, inertia, aerodinamics, and his own reaction time, all of that would be too complicated for Iron Man to fight at thoses speeds.
Besides, you don't need to beΒ light speed to speed blitz somebody who is barely about 5 or 8 times the speed of the sound at max.
No, the gap of speed between Hulk and Iron Man isn't that big.
Actually, I already told you some of Hulk's speed factors, and even Spiderman and Wolverine have a higher speed than Hulk in some of those factors on average.
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And no, Hulk is only a planet buster when he is very angry, and he isn't a universe buster.
(Note: He is beyond planet level in durability even when calm, but he isn't strong enough to destroy a planet at that state)
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But Hulk blitzed him in a calm state, which contradicts that, he would have to get MUCH faster when angry
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1. You are basing yourself on a single occassion, when there are hundreds of occasions that can as well contradict that.
2. You can not rightly powerscale comic book characters from only 1 or a few occasions. Comics have hundreds of different writters, with thousands of different stories, happenning at dozens of different universes. All of these create thousands of flaws or fluctuations in the capacities of every character. That is why in order to powerscale comic book characters rightly, you should take a look on the average showings of the character in each department (Speed, strenght, etc...)
3. That said, on average, Hulk isn't faster than Spiderman or Wolverine.
4. If we go powerscalling on a just a few showings, like you did, then we can see an inconsistency:
Example:
You say:Β Β "Hulk's speed >>>>>>>> Iron Man's speed"
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But then:
Based on 2 showings:Β Β "Rulk's speed >>>>>>>>> Hulk speed"
3.bp.blogspot.com/-CXihc8LIFBcβ¦
i.stack.imgur.com/Tgy1h.jpg
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And base on 1 showing:
"Iron Man's speed >>>>>>>>> Rulk's speed"
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So now we have:Β Β
"Iron Man's speed > Rulk's speed > Hulk's speed > Iron Man's speed > Rulk's speed > Hulk's speed" etc...
Creating a senseless and endless circular chain.
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You are basing youself on 1 showing, but you are not talking into account the context of the scans, nor the fluctuations in the powers and capacities of the characters.
Hulk is faster than Iron Man sometimes, but he is slower than Iron Man sometimes as well.
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And several of speed factors of Hulk are below that of Spiderman, on average.
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Red Hulk was calm when he got beat by Ironman, and Hulk wasn't slower only less skilled, Hulk beat Red Hulk the second time.
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"Red Hulk was calm when he got beat by Ironman"
It shows that Red Hulk isn't FTL.
" Hulk wasn't slower only less skilled"
But if Hulk was FTL, he would have speedblitzed Red Hulk, he would easily dodge all Red Hulk's attacks, and attack Red Hulk before he is even capable of reacting, blinking or having any thought.
Hulk isn't FTL either.
"Hulk beat Red Hulk the second time."
Yeah, Hulk and Red Hulk are quite close in terms of strenght and speed, so they can give a good battle to each other, the battle can go either way, and certainly non of them are FTL, or even close.
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"Red Hulk was calm when he got beat by Ironman"
"It shows that Red Hulk isn't FTL."
That does not answer the question.
" Hulk wasn't slower only less skilled"
"But if Hulk was FTL, he would have speedblitzed Red Hulk, he would easily dodge all Red Hulk's attacks, and attack Red Hulk before he is even capable of reacting, blinking or having any thought.
Hulk isn't FTL either."
No, because Red Hulk is fast as Hulk
"Hulk beat Red Hulk the second time."
"Yeah, Hulk and Red Hulk are quite close in terms of strenght and speed, so they can give a good battle to each other, the battle can go either way, and certainly non of them are FTL, or even close."
I disagree that they are ftl now, but I do think they are at least mach 100,000 at their max
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"That does not answer the question."
Your previous comment didn't had any question.
"No, because Red Hulk is fast as Hulk"
That is exactly my point. Red Hulk isn't FTL. Hulk can't be FTL either, because
"I disagree that they are ftl now, but I do think they are at least mach 100,000 at their max"
Mach 100,000 would still be about one ninth (1/9) of the speed of light.
Mach 100,000 still seams like an arbitrary high number which clearly doesn't match with his showings.
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Comics are slowed down? he's never moved at light speed in any of the movies or shows.
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Yes he did, indestructable hulk showed us
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never did he show any light speed reaction
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he did in indestructable hulk
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yep i think he can..but he's gonna have a hard time as well,Hulk is such a tough opponent too,..^_^
thanks! ^_^
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Endless battle cuz they both have regeneration abilities But hulk still has a long way to go before catching up to piccolo
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Wooooooow, nice job Betchdude 0.0 !!! Very solid work... ^_^
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im little worried about piccolo though...i think the hulk could really be a tougher one for him.
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Yeah he would be tough but I think Piccolo would still come out on top.
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LOL...it starts right now!! come on folks! ^^
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I got to bet on Piccolo.
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piccolo= 1 Hulk = 0 ^__^
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