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AtheosEmanon In reply to ??? [2012-06-28 13:42:00 +0000 UTC]

Well arrogant was what a conservative called it as stated in the artist comments.

I think it is naive in the way that it is predicated on the kindness and unselfishness of people in general and as I am sure you know, people can be quite unkind, barbaric and quite selfish. Though from my perspective, I believe true communism, can offer some things for people to learn about in a general way of everyone pitching in to help society even if it is not a communist society.

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Overlord299 In reply to AtheosEmanon [2012-06-28 15:28:45 +0000 UTC]

That was always the issue with communism, people used it to justify dicatorship. There is no such thing as a "dictatorship of the workers", people need to choose there government. and if they choose the right wing guy over the left wing guy then so be it, I'll just wait till next election.

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MrEpicJustice In reply to Overlord299 [2012-07-01 11:37:36 +0000 UTC]

Dictatorship of the proletariat is meant to be a intermediate government that shifts the infrastructure based around capitalism towards Communism, and afterwords gets disbanded. But it certainly is NOT the dictatorship of a party or even a central committee, certainly not the dictatorship of one "glorious leader".


Now to be absolutely frank while some leaders were communist and the countries called themselves communist almost universally they were either Authoritarian or Socialist ( which is a intermediate state between capitalism and communism) The main problem was that Authoritarians took power over from Communists only a few short years after the revolution ( Stalin taking over after Lenin) and every other communist state was fashioned to the likeness of the Union, which itself was communist purely in name, so no wonder none of those states worked.

You want a true example of Communism that was widely known? Google the Paris Commune.

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Overlord299 In reply to MrEpicJustice [2012-07-01 12:23:34 +0000 UTC]

Actaully Lenin was the Authoritarian, he laid down the basis for Stalin to become one of the most mind boggling incompetent dictators to ever live.

The communards were very bold and refreshingly capable of establishing a working government, but one has to wonder how long they would last, The commune lasted less than one year. I am sure that the Bolsheviks had similar origins to begin with, only for Lenin's good intentions to go rather horrifically and spectacuarly wrong.

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AtheosEmanon In reply to Overlord299 [2012-06-28 15:39:42 +0000 UTC]

Well as Aesop said, a tyrant will always find a pretext for his tyranny... I do not think it is that people used "it" to justify their dictatorship it was just the pretext under which it came, same with fascism, same with some democratic governments... it never starts out that way but the greedy man will use whatever to solidify his power.

Well dictator simply means supreme power, and I believe that is what is meant by dictatorship of the workers, or the workers, who in every society will always make up the majority of the people, having the power...

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Master-of-the-Boot In reply to ??? [2012-06-27 05:48:15 +0000 UTC]

Well the way i look at it, communists have their hearts in the right place. Real communists, not the old Soviet burocrats. It's all about building a better society, unlike fascism, which is about tearing down society and regressing to an earlier state

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TheRainbowRanger In reply to Master-of-the-Boot [2012-08-09 23:20:41 +0000 UTC]

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AtheosEmanon In reply to Master-of-the-Boot [2012-06-27 06:02:24 +0000 UTC]

I agree with you, I believe if we look at even the top Soviets before Stalin they had ideas that wanted to better the people. I, would have liked to see where a Russia under Trotsky would have gone but I am, as you know, and as the piece states no fan of Stalin.... but some people enjoy him so.. to each their own .

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Master-of-the-Boot In reply to AtheosEmanon [2012-06-27 06:50:06 +0000 UTC]

Any kind of Russia would have been better than Stalin. The man was a psycho.

Some of my friends are soft stalinists, I'm not. But they're still compassionate people

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MrEpicJustice In reply to Master-of-the-Boot [2012-07-01 11:39:28 +0000 UTC]

Stalin was a Authoritarian-Bonapartists, if Trotsky would have taken over at the very least Communism would be present on the map not just on the internet or rallys.

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AtheosEmanon In reply to Master-of-the-Boot [2012-06-27 09:18:35 +0000 UTC]

Yes, I have several friends who are supporters of Stalin... as I have told you about my muttish history of my German and Russian lineage, like with my German side, some died in the camps and others were Nazis.. in Russia same thing, some died at the purges of Stalin...and some were Red Army loyalists, very loyal to Stalin..and some just citizens who wanted what was best for their country. Communism in theory has some admirable traits, everyone working together,for the betterment of society... but they have had, as all ideologies has had some terrible leaders,

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ComradeLither In reply to ??? [2012-06-27 01:53:11 +0000 UTC]

Seeing this made me laugh. It makes a good point.

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AtheosEmanon In reply to ComradeLither [2012-06-27 04:18:33 +0000 UTC]

Glad you enjoyed it, thank you very much for the fave. Very much appreciated.

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Hawkheart29 In reply to ??? [2012-06-26 20:02:37 +0000 UTC]

You know, both communism and democracy in theory work perfectly. The problem with them is that humans are selfish/lazy/greedy/uncareing/elect. and therefore we always f*ck up the systems, even if we don't mean to (heck, we even mange mess up the systems unconcously).

Of course I personaly dislike all gov. and politics because someone's always going to lie and someone's always going to care about only themselves and not the people but that's just my feelings.

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Blizzard-Wings In reply to Hawkheart29 [2012-06-26 23:40:54 +0000 UTC]

Really, if you think about it, it doesn't matter what economic system you have. Someone's gonna eff something up somewhere. Tis a shame.

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Hawkheart29 In reply to Blizzard-Wings [2012-06-26 23:41:57 +0000 UTC]

Yes it is.

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AtheosEmanon In reply to Hawkheart29 [2012-06-26 20:07:27 +0000 UTC]

I agree with you, as stated, while I do not consider myself a communist, if it is taken in a pure sense of actually wishing to live in a classless society of people helping people, I can respect that. But if it is just one man who wants absolute power over the rest then I do not see that as communism yet that is the way many Americans think. Though when traveling and seeing small types of people who consider themselves communist, not many usually at most a few dozen in a commune type areas or piece of land... I could say it helped me think twice about how they recycle things, reuse things and how much we as a society wastes while other have so little..or none.

..and sometimes, because of greed we even manage to mess them up consciously..


... so I guess that means you will not vote for me when I run for office...

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Hawkheart29 In reply to AtheosEmanon [2012-06-26 20:28:46 +0000 UTC]

No sorry. Nothing against you personaly, I just have trouble trusting the gov. Read too many sci-fi stories. Plus the story my Speech teacher told the class didn't help (some guy invented this device which, long story short, helped a person with paralyzed legs walk. My teacher said he told his wife to just watch, the gov. was going to get that man. Sure enough the inventor, the paralyzed person who it was tested on, and the assistent have all seemingly droped off the face of the earth. My teacher told us in a few years we're going to see soldiers who've been gunned down stand right back up and keep fighting; not because they're still alive, but because their clothes are animating their dead bodies). My chem. teacher also said she always pays in chash, never check or card, so companies won't be able to monator what she buys and bombard her with advertisments for products they think she'll buy based on her past purceses.

I've also sworn that I will disable (or at least try to) any GPS that comes with any car I own (thanks to a Doctor Who ep), Avoid Nooks because they make censorship easy for the gov. (read in The Week that when a bookstore lost the rights to sell some book, the e-book version disapeared from the Nooks [and other e-reading devices] of those who bought it [no refunds]) Much easier to just delete a book then to hunt down and burn every copy in existence (Ray Bradbury ref. rest his soul), and to never EVER use Twitter.

You know what Twitter is? IT'S BIG BROTHER THAT'S WHAT! Only they've convinced the masses to WILLINGLY inform the gov. of their every movement. Well not me! I mean yeah, technechly the could track me through DA but I try to be descreet on here as well as vege.

Call me paranoid but better paranoid than sorry. In the movies and books the paranoid always survives and even if they don't their knowledge/actions help the protagonist(s) survive/suceed.
Yes i'm a bit crazy but it's always the crazier individuals who stand out in the memories of those who met them. Normal, boring people just fade away (unless you had some personal relationship with them).

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AtheosEmanon In reply to Hawkheart29 [2012-06-26 20:44:57 +0000 UTC]

Well I am not one to have some generalized view of “the gov” there are some senators I very much enjoy, such as my favorite senator Bernie Sanders, and then there are others that I simply do not trust or who I feel are rather partisan and will vote for or against something not because they believe it is right or wrong, but because they believe that it is best for their party.

What was this inventor’s name? I would like to research the story for myself, but once again, with due respect, I do not see what any of that has to do with the piece I posted… The same with your teacher and cash, … I do not see what that has to do with the piece posted?

Well you can disable the GPS in your phone but that generally just means you cannot look, I mean if they have your number … it would not be hard to track you as it hit cell phone towers as you call someone or when you text … it will go through a series of cell phone towers until it reaches the individual and it can generally be triangulated to see where the text/call originated from. Not to make you any more paranoid but just stating some facts … but also a bit unsure if I must be honest what the bulk of your comment had to do with the piece? You can “rest his soul, I am an atheist and do not believe in such but if that is what you believe… your choice….

I know what twitter is, but I do not have a twitter account because trying to put an entire thought in 140 characters, eh … not really my thing since I tend to be long winded… but I have friends who have it and use it daily. Well DA, and most social sites have logs and could see what you did here and there … where you are /what IP you are from etc etc etc … has been this way since the myspace days.

Well for me it is always the pragmatic individuals who had realistic goals, and actual ideas that stand out… not the crazy fringe who I tend to consolidate in my mind and forget.. Well I do not know you and as such will not make any claims or belief of your mental stability or instability. So for that, if you think you are crazy that of course is your choice…. I shall hold reservation.

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Hawkheart29 In reply to AtheosEmanon [2012-06-26 20:55:33 +0000 UTC]

Well, I mentioned to you how I don't trust the gov. and these were just some examples of why. Sorry, I didn't mean to clutter your feedback with my rambling.

I unfortunetly do not know his name and I no longer have that teacher (I no longer go to that school in fact; I graduated), but I'll take his word for it. He wasn't the kind to lie and he's also the only teacher who, instead of just having the class be quiet and lock his door during safety drills, actually told us what we should do if a mad gunman ever burst into are classroom (he didn't sugar coat it either; he said those of us in the front of the room WOULD get shot and most likely die and he himself [since he was the one closest to the door] would be dead as well). He was an amazing teacher who wasn't afraid to speak his mind and tried to eliminate that fear in his students (but not to the point of stupidity; he explained there would be times when silence is best).....I'm ranbling again aren't I? I'm sorry. Might be best if I just shut up now.

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AtheosEmanon In reply to Hawkheart29 [2012-06-26 21:16:14 +0000 UTC]

Oh okay, I was wondering what any of it had to do with the piece i posted, since it did seem as if it was rambling on but no real connection to the piece as posted or anything said in the piece.

... eh, well you would forgive me if I am not into the business of generally just taking people's word for such things. If you take their word and trust them that is great but I generally prefer to research things for myself before I accept it as a fact.

But okay, good day to you.

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