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When I read AHM 14,I die.Poor Sunny,you're the biggest victim in AHM.they let you brocken,let you in despair,and even let you die.but they never let you reast in peace,I dread to think what will happen to you next time,oh no....T_T
and my heart is brocken into pieces now...
the characters means:"help me...bro..."
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maybe they hate Sunny,or maybe they don't like Sunny fangirls,I suppose.*shrug*
Oh,well,if they are keeping unseriously like this,I'll not mind anymore.perhaps to see the fan art and fan fic is the better choice.
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I totally agree with you.
Even looking at AHM14 with a non-Sunstreaker fan perspective, this issue really has no content at all. I truely hope that they can leave Sunstreaker alone.
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That's what I meant. I am a Sunstreaker fan, but I excuse his suffering for the sake of plot. It's the unnecessary drama that gets me. "Just let him die already!" What makes it worse is that nobody in-continuity seemed to care what had happened to him. If he were human, somebody would've recommended therapy, given him a goddamn hug-- SOMEthing. But he's an 'unfeeling machine' and he's Sunstreaker, whom 'nobody likes', so he gets zilch. Then it's no wonder he decides to go with a plan that dooms all humanity.
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Technically, Ratchet -tried- but Sunstreaker brushed it all aside claiming he was fine. Unlike the fandom's perspective of Ratchet, in IDW he tends to be a lot tamer (at least he had some 'fire' under McCarthy's run, but he wasa door mat under Furtman's) and he just kind of 'gave Sunstreaker' room.
Unfortunately that turned to be enough for him to be a willing victim to Starscream.
And nobody -had- much time to mour him. Ironhide was shoken, and Sideswipe was definitely affected, but they were being hunt down and on the verge of extintion right there, so there was no -time- for the others in-continuity to mourn him for long, frayed nerves and 'we're gonna be eaten' issues considered.
I will admit AHM14 was pretty cruel, but points out just what terrible things were done to him through Devastation and Revelation, where it's even worse because Sideswipe made so much drama about finding Sunstreaker just to leave so merrily afterwards. At least in AHM he showed concern for Sunstreaker -and- the unfriendly environment he was contributing to.
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Eh, even his concern for Sunstreaker there turned into an accusation. Something about Hunter if I remember right. He really didn't express it in a particularly helpful way.
As for Ratchet, any medic worth half his salt knows damn well that a trauma victim is going to say they're fine even when they're not. That's why counseling and shit is mandatory in many cases when humans go through something like that. Ratchet shouldn't have backed down nearly so easily -- he's the chief acting medic and has, presumably, the authority to make decisions in this case. If he thought that wasn't traumatizing as hell and wouldn't leave Sunstreaker with serious issues for a long time, then he is too stupid to be doing his job.
I realize they had issues, but not finding time to deal with one of their members being brutally tortured and experimented on beyond just patching him up and saying "Okay, that'll do!" left them with a festering problem that had the potential to become very dangerous. And it DID. Taking care of your people (yes, even unpopular people like Sunstreaker -- somehow I doubt they would've just left it that with, say, Bumblebee) is just as important as anything else you do in war, because a damaged and unstable soldier is a risk to the people he serves with. The story proved that. (Autobots: "Oops.")
The mourning, yeah, I'll give ground on that. It was more that they didn't seem concerned with rescuing him as much as Hunter. And really, the point that bugged me most about that whole thing was Sideswipe. It's hard enough to imagine them not being brothers, but I can't even swallow Sideswipe not caring about him. Holy shit.
And believe me, I'm not defending Devastation and Revelation. They're full of their own troubles, including massive continuity errors and mischaracterization. But any hope I had of them getting better has been dashed thus far by AHM. Sunstreaker being reduced to a plot device and canon whipping-boy is just the icing on the cake.
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Sideswipe's accusations I interpretted them in a very 'big brothery' kind of way. I am not uncaring for my brother, but I do not condone or forgive his misses and point them out to him even if he doesn't like them/wants to hear them. I saw Sideswipe doing something similar, harsh love if you want, but it was care. I think Sideswipe was seeing a much bigger picture than most did.
As I said, much of that was laid out by Furman in the previous series. McCarthy worked with a lot of stuff already laid out by the 'tion' series, and definitely you will see that this interpretation of Ratchet has and will always bee a door mat. He may be a wonderful 'mechanic' but doesn't mean he's a good psychiatrist by a big stretch.
I do agree that the series, all of them, had situations that were simply not handled to satisfaction. However, we must remember this is Transformers and they do not have certain 'luxuries' us humans can deal with. You cannot force someone like Sunstreaker to accept help if he doesn't want it. What else could they do if he claimed to the four winds he was fine? They're but a small group as it is, they do not have exactly the luxury of 'take psychiatric treatment or we'll discharge you'.
A bad decision? By all means, but it's understandable given the situation and the context. It was all a recipe for dissaster, and all ingredients were right at hand.
I think this will not endear me to the Sunstreaker/Twins fans, but I think I much prefer this 'ending' for him (minus the whole last panel of his story in AHM14) than what Furman had envisioned. Hunter was already spoon fed to the reader as it was with AHM. I have no doubt with him remaining Sunstreaker's headmaster we would have never had the 'real' Sunstreaker find some degree of '
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Never said I preferred Hunter. Indeed, I hated him from the get-go and shuddered to think of Sunstreaker's future as a headmaster. However, I don't think that this ending is too much better. Sunny never had a chance to get over it, to get better, to grow from the experience. And that's assuming he's even found peace at all -- if the replays in his severed head are any indication, he may yet be resurrected for more horror. Honestly, he's screwed either way -- we're seeing the lesser of two evils here.
Sideswipe's accusations may've been meant as caring, but they were entirely the wrong thing to say to somebody who's been through hell and back. Sunstreaker had to deal with his own problems before he could worry about Hunter or give a shit how the others were handling it. Sideswipe could've been supportive and understanding. If not, he could've kept his fat mouth shut -- especially after all his crap to himself about how he didn't care what happened where Sunstreaker was concerned. Really, he did nothing but make the situation worse. At least he tried... but considering the results, he might've been better off not bothering at all.
I agree the Autobots' stupidity regarding Sunstreaker was, regrettably, understandable given the circumstances. That doesn't make it forgivable, though. And I'd like to think most of them feel at least a little responsible for what happened. Hell, I hope it haunts Sideswipe to the end of his robot days.
However, we must remember this is Transformers and they do not have certain 'luxuries' us humans can deal with.
Like what? It's harder for a robot to get help than a human? I don't see where that's true. His peers would've had the same resources at hand for helping him that we would. Unless you mean that Transformers don't need therapy, which is quite obviously not the case.
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I did not see Sideswipe's actions that way, I think he saw the 'bigger picture', his actions made sense to me, given what he was supposed to know on the simple fact that he is not even his brother, he was pegged more as a rival than as even a friend through the Revelation series. At least in AHM he had an inkling of caring.
Sideswipe understood that both Sunstreaker and Ironhide were contributing to an environment that was very unfriendly and tense towards Mirage. Ironhide was looking for any excuse to take it out on him, and Sunstreaker was clinging to Ironhide, directly or indirectly fueling the fire. I think Sideswipe knew something was fishy with Sunstreaker and confronted him about it, I think Sideswipe was trying to make Sunstreaker by mentioning his reaction to Hunter, to admit to what he probably kept denying everytime anyone asked.
I think Sideswipe was the one to 'mourn' the loss enough, but not just for the loss of Sunstreaker, but for what his supposed death was signaling. That in the pace of the war they had allowed themselves to become hardly different than the Decepticons. And he was most definitely angry at Bombshell when he mocked him about Sunstreaker.
No, it's not harder for a robot to get help. It's harder for such a small group in the conditions they are in, and in the state of mind they were in, to properly care for someone like Sunstreaker, and AHM made a point of bringing that to the forefront. They were a small group as it was, with the Decepticons doing their thing and the Autobots hot on their tails. In extreme situations like those it's harder to give proper psychological care to someone. Especially when the someone refuses it. It's not like these days when the military does have the luxury of sending the injured and traumatized back home. The Autobots have nowhere to send Sunstreaker to be cared for. Release him to the 'wild' is just as bad if not worse. They were in an extreme situation so to speak, where, unless Sunstreaker was willing to say 'help me'.
A more forceful Ratchet might have tried harder, but someone like Sunstreaker had to be approached carefully, with time and patience. Ironhide was smothering care and 'under my wing now' over Sunstreaker, hence why they seemed a lot closer. But the war waits for no one.
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McCarthy did show the dark side of war in AHM series.
Sideswipe and Ironhide did try their best, as least in the AHM series, since they are both not the "talking" type of people, so I buy their effort, even the outcome is not satisfying. But I wonder if the other Autobots could did better job of caring their comrads if they were not in such an depressive state. They pretty much smothered themselves in their own depression and had no time for other person. In fact, I didn't see them care much for their comrades during -tion series either, it really made me think if the Autobots from the IDW univers are really diffrent from the Decepticons.
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The 'Tion' series did have rather 'cold' Autobots, so to speak. I can understand their reasons in a way, but they do obviously lack the warmth we're used to from other instances. The war has taken the biggest role in their lives and most of them are stuck being machinery of war.
We're used to see them being something other than said machinery of war. They were more of a 'group of people that had to band together to form a resistence'.
As I said, the lack of 'support' for Sunstreaker in AHM is understandable. They are stretched thin as it is, truly their lives entirely focused on the Decepticon pursuit, and Sunstreaker seemed to have played into 'evolving well' given the experience, so their concerns shifted to the pressing matters.
I'd be surprised if they had time for at least some rest. It seemed unlikely. At least to some degree we got to see some 'warmth' from some characters in their interactions. It's just Sunstreaker had the short end of the stick handed to him since Devastation.
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Well, Hotrod was the only one who kept searching Sunstreaker, and he was not even his "good friend" (I believe Ironhide would do the same if he was not down), that's sad.
You are right, I can also stand the situation for the sake of plot, and Sunstreaker didn't seemed THAT despair in MD series anyway, so I THOUGHT he would have a chance to get better. But when things moved to AHM, Sunstreaker became the "high tide" of the general depression atmosphere through out almost the whole series. I had to say that I was dissapoint. *sigh*
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Well originally he was supposed to get over it -- it was Kup who was going to betray Earth, as I recall. There was a bit of a writers' disagreement, between Furman and McCarthy, and Sunstreaker got caught in the middle of it. As he does.
But yeah, no one seemed to care, no one really searched for him (even the ROBOTS were more worried about Hunter, whom they barely knew at this point), even Sideswipe flat-out said he didn't care. (Nice, dude. He put you down when you were partners and that's enough reason for you not to care if he dies screaming? Jerkass.) Then they found him and it was like, "Oh, hey, Sunstreaker. Cool, you're alive. Guess everything's all right then." And then, THEN they go and accuse him of not caring about Hunter. Why the hell should he? He'd been through more than enough of his own crap that had to be sorted out, to care about a human he'd recently met and had been unwillingly bonded with.
It's just, we're supposed to care about Hunter more, and I really don't. I've known Sunstreaker as a character for years, and I couldn't care less about this new kid no matter how sympathetically he's written. In a way I'm glad they're both dead -- even IDW should have a hard time torturing them further now. Then again, seeing Sunny's severed head in the rubble, apparently still on-line... oy. Even that may be too much to hope for.
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It was supposed to be Kup? This is hard to believe, though he did fit the description of suspects in AHM... So I guess it was McCarthy woh wanted to write Kup as the traitor, but Furman didn't want, and in the end, McCarthy decided to kill off Streaker because he need a incident. Hun...
The irony was, even Verity and Jimmy seemed to worry about Sunstreaker more. At least they made their effort trying to save Sunstreaker and Hunter, though 2/3 is for Hunter's sake. But guess what? they only met for about a month or so, it's already better then most of the Autobots who simply didn't care about a MIA member who fight with them for more then a million years.
Sideswipe, I wonder if it was Furman's original plan that to write him the way he was in his spotlight, or it was because -tion was canceled, so he have to put everything together in four small spotlights, then Sideswipe became a victim too, acting from "I want to go to earth and search for Sunstreaker" to "screw Sunstreaker." His change of attitude is kind of confusing to me. Or maybe the writer just hate twins lovers and wanted to destroy our fantasy...
Now I simply hope IDW writers won't do this kind of pointless torture to any charactor anymore.
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Furman made a point to imply they weren't even brothers, let alone twins in this series.
McCarthy, in working to get AHM within continuity probably had to work with a lot of what Furman had already laid out. It's thanks to McCarthy that Sunstreaker became Sunstreaker again, Furman's plans meant to keep Hunter and Sunstreaker as Headmasters. So I think Sideswipe's attitude towards Sunstreaker was all the way intended to be like that, at least by Furman.
Since Maximum Dinobots was being worked along with All Hail Megatron, they had to connect 'dots' between Revelation and AHM, at least McCarthy bothered to show concern in one way or another good or bad for Sunstreaker.
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I'm sure writer disagreement was the major factor, but I wouldn't rule out dislike of Twins fangirls either. We've certainly taken over the Internet in the last few years, haven't we? Maybe they were freaking out over the twincest vibes and trying to get rid of them, to the point where even the most platonic brotherly love was out of the question.
Then again... nobody really seems to care much about anyone, or show much strong emotion in IDW. Character and personality get shoved aside for the sake of the action and the story. There's a rushed feel to it, even by comic standards. Oh well. I enjoy some of the art, and I really liked some of the Spotlights, so it's not a total loss.
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I think Furman just wanted to deviate from the 'They're twins!' thing since they ARE, at the very least, Brothers in Megatron Origins. I don't think it was a dislike towards fangirls of the pair necessarily, but I'm pretty sure Furman was counting with picking on the 'affections' of the twins for keeping them split, and make a point to break any brother relationship between them.
Ironhide -did- care for Sunstreaker, he formed a degree of a close friendship with him because he thought it was partly his responsibility that Sunstreaker was originally lost.
They did show a degree of closeness between Skywarp and Thundercracker (which made the issue 12 all the most heart wrenching) and Sideswipe cared for what Sunstreaker and Ironhide were doing to the morale. I think deep down Sideswipe, more than caring for 'Hunter' cared for Sunstreaker's mental state. I think he suspected Sunstreaker was hiding more than he was willing to spill. At least he understood him enough to get why he did what he did and why he pretty much 'killed himself'. Sideswipe was affected.
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There's really no reason to deviate from the twins thing though, since it's worked fine 'till now, and it's unique to boot. I can only think that he has some specific reason for not liking it, not wanting it in the story, and the only conclusion my mind keeps coming back to is the fans. Which would be petty as hell, and I really hope there's a better explanation.
Yeah, Ironhide cared, which was funny as hell because Ironhide was never a particularly caring guy in G1. Still, it works in this case and he definitely showed some upset. (Of course, then he beat Mirage half to scrap and nobody tried to stop him, which killed my flowering shred of liking for his IDW incarnation. Eh.)
I'm not even going into the TC/Warp thing. That just... yeah. Major suckage all around. TC was just becoming an interesting character, and BOOM! Need to make room for new Decepticons, I guess. At least TC got to just die... I wonder how many more times they plan on killing Sunny.
Yeah, Sideswipe was affected more than he'd admit. The writing, though, made it really hard to tell that. You had to look for it. And his Spotlight just confused the matter.
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Speak of TC/Warp... they are one of the first pairing I like from the very begining, and to be honest, I enjoy them being "brothers" more than slash pairing. From the first issue of AHM, I knew there will be something happend on TC, but I never though it was Skywarp who did the killing shot. I expected Megatron would be the one who punish his subordinate, not Skywarp, but...
*sigh* I almost cried at that scene in AHM#12. So... Yeah, good job for desdroy popular brotherhood/frindship/pairings in Transformers fandom. But I don't think TC is officially dead yet. Look at Sunstreaker, where is the drama if you kill off a character? Of course they will put TC back online and perhaps make him the next "Sunstreaker" *roll eyes, now I'm being ironic*.
Oh, sorry for the ranting, but -tion plus AHM really confused me, there's no way I'll be able to know how the characters/writers think... *sit down and wait for new issue*
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Skywarp probably doesn't have authorization to terminate another Decepticon on his own evidence, come to think of it. Report him to Megatron sure, but flat-out killing him... I think that's overstepping his authority. Wouldn't make sense if Megatron let his 'Cons wander around kakking each other off over every disagreement/suspected act of treachery. He'd lose a lot of troops that way. Besides, he's a control freak -- he'd want to make a judgement and probably an execution in person, or at least leave it to a trusted officer.
Bah. Like the writers have ever heard of hierarchy. Come to think of it, nobody's ever written the Decepticons with much of a hierarchy. Seems funny with them being military mechs and all. (Also, again, led by a control freak.)
IDW features many jerkass robots, some of whom were quite likeable in other continuities, and many strange characterizations. What it doesn't feature is a lot of friendships or close bonds between the 'bots. They really do come off as just intelligent war machines, everything most humans would suspect them to be... which is unfortunately. Show me some personal interaction that isn't beating the slag out of each other or accusing each other. Show me some sign of bonding (no, not that kind of bonding) among these beings of metal, to show that they aren't the cold unfeeling creatures robots are so often portrayed as. If nothing else, a few light-hearted or tender moments would relieve the endless drama, angst, and tragedy that the IDW Transformers have been through so far.
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That's the problem when you have two different writters take on that.
As for Furman disliking Sunstreaker and Sideswipe as brothers and twins, I -DOUBT- it has to do with the fans, considering even back when he worked for the G1 Marvel comics, Furman has always had Sunstreaker separate from Sideswipe. I very well recall he was part of the self styled Majestic Six, and Sideswipe totally was not one of them.
I do think he made it a very strong point they weren't twins nor brothers in this incarnation, I am almost too certain he was expecting a strong reaction from the fans. He has changed a lot of elements to incorporate them into the current IDW universe, so I am not all that surprised he choose to erradicate their relationship as brothers. Doesn't necessarily mean I like it.
But again, I prefer the way Sunstreaker 'left' than the way Furman intended to have him.
Now it remains to be seen what will happen with a new writer on board for the on-going series that'll take place after AHM.
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I'm not surprised by it either. Still irks me. Way to write your fanfic into canon, Simfur.
To be truthful, I haven't cared for most of IDW's characterizations. Prime has been downgraded from a character to a plot device, and seems to be on the brink of losing his mind. Prowl is an utter prick (I noticed the same pattern with Furman's Marvel comics, and I've always wondered what traumatic childhood experience made him loathe Prowl so much). Ironhide is a loose cannon who gets away with everything from punching out Prowl (his superior) to beating Mirage half to death while the others stare in DULL SURPRISE, and has yet to face real consequences for being a danger to his own teammates. Sideswipe is a brooding jerk. Kup is insane, then he's suddenly sane again and guess what -- he's another jerk! And Ratchet is a pushover. The only likeable robot characters (there's a sparse handful of them, including Bumblebee and Jazz) in the comics get little facetime. And that's not even going into the Spotlights. Yikes.
It's like the whole thing tried to go either "Darker 'n Edgier" or was written from one fan's slanted point of view. Well, actually, two dueling fans. I think by this point I'm just following the story out of morbid curiosity and no small amount of masochism. (That, and some of the art is pretty good, and once in a while we get a snippet of badass dialogue.)
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I am not so much into IDW's characterization either save for a few. Bumblebee to me though is hardly as likeable, but that's a constant trend in comics where they try to show him more mature than the bubbly bot of the cartoons.
I always felt Furman made Prowl into a prick for the sake of giving Grimlock a higher ground. Ironhide -seemed- at first to be an okay character, but didn't take long for him to go wild. I think Prime and Ironhide's CODA did deal with Ironhide do showing his guilt and self doubt about beating Mirage. If anything, Ironhide served to exhalt Mirage and get him a little out of the 'traitor in the works' stigma he friggen carries since the cartoon.
Many fans have asked for 'darker and edgier' others asked for 'closer to G1'. AHM I think did do a service, and it was to point out that the Autobots had truly become no different than the Decepticons and tried at the end to rescue the old G1 feeling where Prime = Robot Jesus according to the fans.
Right now it's up to the new writter to see if things will improve or not.
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The Prowl-Grimlock thing, yeah that's for sure. Someone had to be demonized for Grimlock to be exalted, and Prowl got the shaft. Which is a pity because I always saw great possibilities for his character as a calm, rational counterbalance to some of the more impulsive (Jazz) and hot-headed "think with the gut" (Ironhide) characters.
What bugged me severely (and from reading on the forums, a lot of fans besides me) is that Prime did not punish Ironhide for his actions at all. Even under duress, even given the situation they're in... ESPECIALLY given the situation they're in, attacking and crippling, nearly destroying a comrade on suspicion (no proof, no reasonable evidence, certainly no trial) of being a traitor is a reprehensible act and bound to tear apart the solidarity of a unit. Old and respected or no, Ironhide should suffer for it heavily. Apologies don't cut it. And now add Mirage to the list of people who are going to need support and help -- that beating had to've gotten to him in more ways than one. Robot bodies can be repaired, sure, but as sentient beings they still have to deal with mental and emotional fallout, and an attack by a fellow Autobot is going to leave scars, never mind being called a traitor and having his AUTOBOT SYMBOL RIPPED OFF. There is no excuse for making light of that incident. If Ironhide's going to deal such a heavy hand to others, he needs an equally heavy leash.
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See I could understand that part not readily being dealt with in the actual run of AHM with McCarthy since at that moment they needed every able body, we saw even Mirage and Ironhide sort of '
But the piece Furman wrote taking place after that, where Ironhide was pretty much throwing the towel for his mistake on Mirage, and Prime is all 'yeah well but remeber...' come ooooooon. I understand their friendship and Prime learning some things from Ironhide's brash attitude and behavior. But why isn't Prime giving him some degree of punishment now that they aren't exactly trying to not get eaten by the swarm?
Kup saw far more inclined to put Ironhide in his place and not just verbally. But once you have Prime taking over... you see what happens.
I want to think Mirage will at least see some degree of care, considering both Prowl and Jazz (with Prowl pretty much taking the brunt of Ironhide's temper.) defended his innocence the whole time Ironhide was trying to push for Mirage to be punished/dealt with as a traitor. And I'm thinking Mirage would be more amenable to accept/seek help than Sunstreaker.
Regardless, yeah there's still a lot of things that haven't been handled all that well. But it's not the first time this happens in comics (and I'm so going to sound like a Furman hater, I know, but most of the Furman stuff tends to be like that. War within had it's awesome moments only to go into 'wtf' country later on). We'll have to wait to see what the new writter will do with the on-going series that's gonna pick up after AHM.
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i haven't been able to read it yet
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you shouldn't read it,to be frankly,the story is boring but cruel.="=
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i have a few of them, but they're not in order, so i really don't know what's going on lol. Sunstreaker seems to be the victim in quite a bit of these comics though.
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he is the biggest victim in AHM,no pride,no homage...
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poor poor Sunny TT
what is AHM14 btw?
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In short,the story of AHM14 is Sunny recalled the memory then he was tortured by the human...
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as one of human,I feel shame...OTZ
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I just got done reading this...I couldn't stop crying for a good 15 minutes [at least]. Poor Sunstreaker. D|
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I was crying,too.
the human scientists,they say he is just a machine,oh shit,I can't bear this.="=ๅธ
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All his pride vanished, he just wants to be comforted... aww, shouldn't we save him??
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I wonder why IDW always keep torturing Sunny for fun.Torture a proud worrior again and again is really so funny?
Just let him alone in pease,please...T___T
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