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I love this Amendment. In fact I love all of the amendments. However, I love this one because it allows us to own weapons that the government have. So I can buy a tank if I want and the government can't do anything about it. Because the 2nd amendment states that I can. Now I would love to own guns, for one reason only; To protect my family. Other than that, I wouldn't use guns for any other purpose. I might go hunting, but that depends.But I support the 2nd amendment 100% and I hate gun bans. Because if everyone is armed and allowed to carry assult weapons around where ever they go, then people wouldn't go out and shoot other people. Because then they might get shot themselves. That's why gin bans DO NOT WORK! Because all they do is allow lawless people to do whatever they want. So that is why we can not allow gun bans.
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"While if you resort to your fist, when the fight is over, no one would die..." That is a lie. People have died from being beaten by a fist. Now do people die from just one punch? Most of the time no, but sometimes yes. If the force was powerful enough, or if the person fell and hit something. In other words your argument is invalid.
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your argument is appeal to probability fallacy.
based on average human strenght and mental stability, the possibility of death in a fist fight is closed to zero. The only kind of people who punch people to death is the mentally-unstable sadist sick fuck type.
Now compare that to possibility of death in gun fight ? it's much higher.
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The common cold kills more people a year than Gun violence. And don't you say, "It's because there are people with poor heathcare." or, "And those people were too old." It's the same thing, the only difference is that one is cause my man made the other is by nature. And nature kills more than man made guns.
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I have access to fire arms, still haven't went on a shooting rampage.
YOU sound like someone whom would resort to pulling the trigger first
and you have been shot? But your still alive? How is this possible?
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Couple of things Re4nimation.
First, it's a lot harder to ban things in a large, populous country like the United States versus Chile or Japan. Every time the United States has tried to ban something in the past it's backfired. Prohibition and the war on drugs only succeeded in creating powerful organized crime cartels that have and have continued to cause far more harm than drugs or alcohol ever have.
Second, if the United States decided to ban firearms, how would you set about doing that? There are already millions of personally owned firearms in circulation in the United States. In order to really get rid of all of them you'd have to pull a Nazi style house by house search using military resources, which goes against several other constitutional amendments. Even ignoring the constitutional infringements, lots of people who are normally law abiding would resist such an action, and in no time there would be more deaths than there would be from school shootings if they continued at their current rate for the next 500 years.
Even then, if the United States government decided that having no guns is more valuable than the human lives as well as money and resources it took to bring it about, that still wouldn't stop the Mexican Cartels from sending in more. They've been getting drugs, prostitutes, and illegal weapons into and out of the United States for years; if you seriously think that making all firearms illegal will do anything other than raise the demand, you have the mental capacity of a toddler.
Lastly, your whole "heat of the moment, nice people pulling the trigger in an adrenaline rush" is so incredibly ignorant of human nature that I have to ask... how old are you? Seriously. You sound like a 14 year old kid who is still so egocentric that they think they know everything without having experienced anything. I doubt you've ever even held a loaded gun, much less carried one, so why don't you hush and let the grown ups talk, mkay?
Simple as fucking that.
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Im in my 20s now, and yes i havent held a gun in my life cause i live in Asia. We dont need gun here. It's not exactly utopia here, but atleast people dont go around carry potential weapon.
So i never understand, at all, the need for every laypeople to own a gun.
My argument is ignorant of human nature ? I've seen a fair share of people killing each other in an arguement using knifes, bricks, and other blunt weapon. That require much more work.
a gun would kill must faster and easier, from a range, and that's scary.
It's scary that any pussy can whip out a gun and think he have power over other people.
Oh yeah, the Mexican Cartel.
Tell ya what, if the Goverment have troop to send to Irap, they would have troop to send to Mexico and wipe those cartel the fuck from the face of the earth. But no, because both your Gov, your country and your people is irredeemably corrupted, there's no hope. As long as US continue to have Republican, Christianity and gun, aint no shit gets done.
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If we sent troops in Mexico then America would have declaired War on Mexico. America doesn't declaire war, if the Mexican Government sent troops into the US, then that's when America would act. You don't know nothing of American History. You have the internet, study what you are looking at before making a stupid comment.
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Look, all i can say is. If the US find a way to send troop to Iraq, like they already fucking did, they would find a way to send troop anywhere.
Everyone fucking know the US send troop over there for oil.
But i guess because wipe out mexican cartel doesnt have any benefit, they wouldnt do it.
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We were attacked. 9/11 is one of the most devistating tragity in U.S history. America never attacks another country. We get attack, we fight, the enemy surrenders, we leave. That is what America is about. We don't send our troops to other countries, especially a country where they flat out hate us, that they ignore their own stupidity.
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"i havent held a gun in my life cause i live in Asia"
Congratulations. Now do us all a favor and spare us your treatise on the psychological aspects of carrying a firearm. You're like someone who's never seen water lecturing on what it's like to drown.
"My argument is ignorant of human nature ? I've seen a fair share of people killing each other in an arguement using knifes, bricks, and other blunt weapon. That require much more work.
a gun would kill must faster and easier, from a range, and that's scary."
A moment ago you were talking about how it isn't exactly a paradise but that you don't need guns... now you're talking about people beating each other to death with clubs during an argument. I think killing someone over an argument is scary. We may have guns, but I've never seen anyone over here shoot someone during a heated discussion. Sounds like you DO need guns if things are that out of control.
Also, everything you're saying here makes it clear that you're not really considering the practicality or the cost/benefit analysis of banning guns, you just don't understand a culture that has personally owned firearms. It's not the way your culture is and doesn't embrace what you were taught, so automatically you think it's stupid and look down on it with a bigoted disdain that you mistake for an intellectual point of view. All the rest is just talking points you use to justify your predisposition against a different point of view.
"Oh yeah, the Mexican Cartel.
Tell ya what, if the Goverment have troop to send to Irap, they would have troop to send to Mexico and wipe those cartel the fuck from the face of the earth"
We've repeatedly offered to give Mexico direct military aid in handling the cartels and they've refused every time. A 3rd of our foreign trade is with Mexico and we've already sent them billions of dollars to help them as part of the Merida Initiative. We're not going to invade a cooperative trade partner and a democracy who we've already spent billions on helping to get rid of a criminal element. A better way to deal with them is to legalize drugs and kill their funding, NOT make more things illegal which they can add to their stock.
Besides, you and I both know that if we DID invade Mexico to stomp out the cartels, you and people like you would immediately start whining about "evil American wars".
You're just a bigot and a xenophobe. Try actually setting foot in a country before you decide that its entire population is corrupt and below you.
Also, you might want to try and solve your own problems, including a problem of murdering each other with blunt objects over disagreements, before telling others how to solve their problems. Just a thought.
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Again I come to your post. You call him naive. In some ways everyone could be so. Though I dont know if leaving you labeled as naive is enough. Might need to extend it to foolish as well. Not everyone is a trigger happy person who will go off just because of an adrenaline rush. Most people aren't in fact. You underestimate the ease to pull the trigger when a good person aims at another. And fists aren't the way to go. Some guy twice your size can still walk up to you on the street and beat you to death, and dont give me the 'but then they can see it hurts and know the pain they cause and stop line. Because you know what... That person lying there shot in the leg and the gut, screaming in agony before they are left to bleed out a minute later while more run away screaming in hopes to not also end up like that person as well. There is just something about that scene that allows the fact that getting shot hurts to escape me... You can have your opinion and I doubt no amount of discussion will likely ever change it. But that doesn't change the fact that it is the wrong one. You might understand that when god forbid you go to the super market and some complete stranger saves you from being shot because this country lets him carry a M11 nine mm under his jacket and he shoot sthe active shooter first. Without the fourty minute wait for the SWAT team to come in and do it.
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How many times you did something that you regretted later? Now, add a gun into equation and story gets a new twist. Shit happens, people react in a wrong way and somebody pays the price. With guns, that tends to be ultimate price - somebody's life.
And all that crap about beating you to death, hey, even a 50 lbs weakling can pull a trigger.
but then again, I'm just wasting my breath. Scared little kids like you will always need a gun to protect them from their imaginary enemies. Face it: nobody gives a shit about you. Grow up a pair and join sentient beings.
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You are wasting your breath. It's all hot air from a fool. You don't get it do you? We have guns for a reason and I will be damned if I lay down and let anyone deprive this nation of its weapons. Because the day the United States citizens lose their right to firearms is the day we lose our right to over throw and replace our federal government. The next day is the day they change the name to the United States of Fascism.
As for your remark on me being a scared kid that needs to hide behind my gun to fight imaginary enemies. You can't be more wrong. The only person between us that seems to exhibit fear is you. You are afraid of guns. Educate yourself, learn why we have the second amendment before you try and take it away from us and join the rest of us sentient reasoning beings.
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Why do you gun nuts always scream about extremes? NOBODY is trying to take your precious toys from you, dimwit. People are trying to regulate it better and to take potentially extremely dangerous weapons off the streets. What, you think that you can fight the government with AK-47? Sure, let them just refuel one of their drones and you can try.
How stupid you have to be not to see that your views are outdated and pathetic? You're clinging to your little gun as if that will make any difference. Newsflash, retardo - it WON'T. Not in this age. They don't even need to pull a trigger, they have biological, chemical and nuclear weapons. Your only chance to overthrow (that's how you spell overthrow, use a spell check please) the government is if one of the generals decides to join your cause and brings the whole army with him. Until then, you're sad little man with delusions of grandeur.
Bottom line - sadly, weapons are necessity in today's world but again sadly, some of them are way too powerful and easily obtained by dimwits like you. Government has an obligation toward ALL citizens to protect them, from threats from outside as well from within. One of those threats are morons with weapons that enable them to do mass murder in a matter of minute or two.
As for educating yourself, I think it's pretty clear which one of us lacks the education.
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Shows how much you know. Military personnel and equipment can not be used against the American people in the event of an uprising. They swear an oath to defend the constitution which forbids them from being used to stop a rebellion. So there in that one general you say needs to help me wont be helping anyone. They are to sit back and guard against external threats that may arise during said event. And your are sadly mistaken if you think the same US that is finicky over collateral damage on a battlefield in a foreign country would order an international illegal WMD strike on its own soil.
Now how about you stop demeaning yourself with insults. I would have you know my IQ is in fact in the above average to gifted range. By throwing insults in you are just weakening your argument.
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I prefer a sword to a gun any day, but people do what they want. No one's going to stop anyone from doing anything. Banning guns will not stop people from owning them, it'll just stop them from owning them legally. Not banning guns allows everyone, sane or otherwise, to have them. Either way, people die because human beings kill each other. If not with guns, then with whatever.
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I too love swords, but all it takes is for one idiot to cause a whole lot of trouble before we lose that as well. Say we do ban guns, so what. A killer could just to into a school with a sword and murder a bunch of people. The government then will try and ban swords and will cause even more choas. So in reality it doesn't matter if it's a gun or a sword, the government can't dictate what we can or can't have in our house. And that is what is happening right now. The government wants to dictate our lives and we can't allow that. The same thing goes towards gasoline. What if someone pour gasoline around and on top of a school and set it on fire? Then the government will say that gasoline is "too dangerous we need to ban gas." It will never end, once the government does what they want to do, they will continue to find other things that are "too dangerous."
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It's not so much that the government will find things that are dangerous, but unstable and insane people will continue making everything legitimately dangerous, until it becomes completely sensible to not trust your next door neighbor with anything sharper than a boiled egg.
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But even a boiled egg can kill someone. Someone could choke on a boiled egg. Then we'll have the great Boiled Egg Ban.
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I swear if someone takes my boiled eggs from me they'll wish I was holding a gun.
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Hahahaha!
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Right on Daniel.
The Second Amendment allows us to be armed to protect ourselves against all enemies. That includes a Government that becomes oppressive. Our founding fathers understood human nature.
Many people who want 'Assault Weapons' banned fail to realize that there is no such thing. Automatic Weapons are military and not legal for private citizens to posses. What has been used in the recent rash of shootings were 'Semi-Automatic' and range from sporting/hunting rifles to handguns for self defense. Some hunting rifles actually have larger magazine capacity than the 'Military Look' sporting rifles.
Gun bans would only disarm law abiding citizens.
The other thing that they don't realize is, if we loose our 2nd Amendment right. The other 9 Amendments of the Bill of Rights will follow.
Keep up the good work!
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While you are raising valid points it should be noted that according to the federal definition for an assault weapon the rifle used in the school shooting does fit. If the gun possesses the cosmetic features of an assault rifle, such as a pistol grip, telescoping stock and bayonet mount, it is classified as such despite firing capabilities. Actual assault rifles, ie full-auto capable, are classified as class 3 weapons. Personally I think these definitions are bullshit since I am a gun owner, and NRA instructor. However, you must admit that certain checks must be in place to prevent firearms from falling into the hands of the unstable. In my home state I can go to a gun expos and purchase a gun with just a drivers license and usually no background check. While I don't want the gov't tracking everyones guns I do think it would be worth making thurough background and mental health screenings mandatory. Additionally it would not be horrible to require education courses. Of course it should be noted that I gave myself a 1911 for Christmas this year. Lol
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Thanks for pointing out the difference between assault weapons and automatic weapons dragon, a well informed society is also hard to fool. Kudos for being on the spot here. Respect.
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I agree. Firearms are necessary for home defense against armed intruders. Now, an average citizen doesn't really need a fully automatic weapon, IMO, but a pistol or shotgun can do the job. And yeah, many people use firearms for recreational shooting (clay targets and paper targets) or for hunting.
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It's because people can have firearm that there are "armed" intruders in the first place.
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I beg to differ, It is because people think they can take what they want and do as they will without fear of punishment because theyv'e been convinced somebody owes them something, instead of them being taught you have to earn your own keep, They have no moral compass or idea of how to act. Thats why you have armed intruders, By the way guns aren't the only way to be "armed" go to any store and you can buy alot of weapons, if your smart enough to figure it out. Guns don't intrude, Intruders intrude. Nothing personal but I'm tired of people using silliness to support Gun Control.
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Amen! We don't blame cars for drunk drivers. Why should we blame guns for serial killers? Use common sense and lay the responsibility for the action where it belongs. A gun is a tool not a killer.
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Keep in mind that if firearms can't be obtained legally, then criminal-minded people will simply get them illegally.
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if gun is banned, it would be rare and expensive, especially illegal ones.
No normal thug could get it.
And im not even talking about criminal, im talking about normal people. The line between self-defence and abusive of power is blur. Gun is the power, and not everyone can control themselves to not abuse this power.
The country with regulated gun have more firearm-related-death-rate than gun-free country. Pretty f*cking clear isnt it ?
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Normal people with guns aren't the ones shooting up schools, malls or whatever. So, what harm are they causing exactly?
I own a gun and I haven't gone on a shooting rampage or went on a "power-trip" as you refer.
here's an incident that happened without firing one bullet, so with this, what good would all the gun laws in the world do against this? [link]
what I am saying is, if someone wants to cause you harm, THEY'LL DO IT
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Hats off to you, good point made.
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"The country with regulated gun have more firearm-related-death-rate than gun-free country. Pretty f*cking clear isnt it ?"
Then what do you have to say to Switzerland? They issue every household a gun. Their government trains the adults of every houshold to use the rifle they are issued. Switzerland is the only country in the world armies fear to invade more than the US and Switzerland has the lowest gun related crime rate in the world. Pretty f*cking clear isn't it?
So what do you have to say about Switzerland? It is a no brainer! Gun ownership is the answer. Not the other way around. There will always be gun crimes, laws will not EVER stop outlaws. With guns, we are 'citizens'. Without them, we are 'subjects'.
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errr.....no.
1. The top of the lowest list is Chile, Japan, and South Korean. All are gun-free country. Switzerland stand some where in the 20th-30th ish.
2. Switzerland is a secular country, they are all atheist. The whole western Europe are. Another issue i would love to smack US's religion in the face, but that would be for another time.
In fact US has more crime, more gun-related death, more teen pregmancy, than the whole Western Europe combine.
THe answer is not in gun ownership, the answer is in their education. They do not just give everyone a gun and teach them to pull the trigger only, but they teach them about responsibility and such when using a gun.
The US ? Gun shop everywhere. Responsibility ? Ignored like a fucking End User Licence Agreement when you install some software.
3. "With guns, we are 'citizens'. Without them, we are 'subjects'.
Sound like pussified logic to me. Without gun, are you too afraid to claim your citizenship or something?
Why is American alway have this "stick it to the man" attitude toward the Gov ?
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There was so much stuff to critique in this comment that it took me a while to gather all my thoughts. That and I was actually completely gone fore about two weeks, sorry.
I will skip one because even so Switzerland has around or less than 50-60 gun related murders and such a year. The number is very small.
The second one however. ARE YOU ON SOMETHING!? Western Europe is the most predominant Christian/Christian split of on Earth. The Capitol of the Christian religion is by some definitions of the term Western Europe in Western Europe. Another thing the entire collection of Western Europe's population is not much bigger than that of the US, the entire US. And the land area is about half the size. That is a thing Europeans don't get, they don't understand how big we really are, just how huge of a task it is to police this nation. Further more the NRA hosts gun safety and education classes throughout the US on a near daily bases and those classes are free. You can't say we have no gun education here. It is there and it is easily accessible.
Pussified logic? You mean the pussified logic that let you go hide under a rock and ignore when you are being used? This isn't a 'stick it to the man' attitude. It is our right to control our own government. We are allowed the right to be suspicious of it as everyone should suspect their governments. Politics is not a job of the goody two shoes.
There is another thing I question... Reading your posts I see a large number of discrepancies that suggest you either failed grammar class or English isn't your first language. In which case I question if you are even American or if you may actually be European. In which the biggest point is, if you aren't in this country as a citizen, don't stick your nose into our business. Europe and the US are two different ball games. They were never the same and they will never be the same. You cant justly compare them.
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I forgot about clay targets. But yeah as long as people are not using guns for their own personal needs, like money or something, guns aren't bad. It's the person using the gun, because if guns could move and shoot at will, then people wouldn't even pick one up to begain with.
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