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Published: 2017-06-08 06:44:17 +0000 UTC; Views: 1067; Favourites: 35; Downloads: 1
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Here's another picture for all Liberal Haters to hate. Anyone who really and truly support our Constitution should know that the Government has no right nor jurisdiction to take away people's right to own a gun.Now I'm all for background checks and all that, but in reality even then you can't always predict if and when a sane person will go insane and kill people. Which is why we need something to protect us from crazy people.
Think about it, what is the safer environment? A place where only one person is designated to be trained and carry a gun? Or a place in which multiple people are trained and carry a gun? Or a place where no one is trained and no one carries a gun?
Odds are you'd choose the second environment, why? Because it's safer to be with a lot of people who are carrying a gun and are trained. Criminals who wants to do a lot of damage and cause a lot of fear, will go some place where there are little to or no guns present. Why? Because they want to be in control. If more than one person in a room has a gun, safely hidden away, it lessens the abilities of a criminal's to be in control.
Besides think about how people killed in the past. Before the 15-16 hundreds when guns were starting to be used all over the world, and not just in china. So what did people use to kill other people? What ever they could find to use. Swords, knifes, poison, clubs. People never stopped murdering people for thousands of years. And you think that by getting rid of guns will cause people to stop killing each other? NO! In fact until recently Police officers in England never carried guns. But in light of the recent terrorist attacks, they are now required to carry fire arms.
People will find ways to kill each other. Which is why guns are needed for us to protect ourselves. Don't blame guns for killing, it's the person who holds the gun that is in control.
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Greatkingrat88 [2017-06-08 09:05:24 +0000 UTC]
More guns, more gun accidents and gun deaths. Statistical fact. The US desperately needs stricter regulations; universal background checks, longer waiting periods for guns, training courses before one is allowed to purchase a firearm of any kind...
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Art-of-kNOw In reply to Greatkingrat88 [2017-06-08 15:22:58 +0000 UTC]
Sorry, no one cares about your nonsense, "great king rat". guns are a human right, not a privilege.
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Greatkingrat88 In reply to Art-of-kNOw [2017-06-08 19:46:35 +0000 UTC]
I just googled the UN declaration of human rights, then hit ctrl+f and typed "gun", then "firearm".
No hits. Fancy that.
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Balddog4 In reply to Greatkingrat88 [2017-06-09 05:44:07 +0000 UTC]
The whole point of the Amendments that our country created was to establish basic human rights. And what does Amendment 2 say? "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
The reason why gun control exist is because people no longer have common sense anymore. In fact had America lost the Revolutionary War the colonist would no longer have the right to own a gun. Hitler passed laws that prevented Jews from owning guns.
Having the right to own a weapon for the purpose of defense and for provision is a human right. Now a days hunting isn't a necessity as we have food markets. But that doesn't mean that it's no longer needed. Get rid of guns will allow people of power to take over the lives of others.
Because if you don't have a gun and some one does you'll do anything they say just to live.
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Greatkingrat88 In reply to Balddog4 [2017-06-09 06:47:25 +0000 UTC]
They're legal rights for your country, not human rights. Given the phrasing, and given that it was written in a time when the fastest firing gun could fire two bullets per minute, it kind of makes sense to, in an age where bullets can be fire at thousands per minute and mass shootings happen every other month, to regulate guns. Notice the phrase "well regulated" militia- it's right there in the very law you quote. Regulated. Properly regulated.
Mind you, I'm not for a gun ban. I am for commonsense regulation. What possible argument could there be against universal background checks, appropriate training and waiting periods? None of them stop you from getting the guns you want.
No, it isn't a human right. It's a legal right, for your country specifically, and your country does not set the standards for a universal human right. Firearms for self defence make a negligible impact in preventing crime, while it makes a tremendous impact on lives lost needlessly.
The whole idea that your guns would somehow stop the government from taking away your rights if they wanted or whatever is kind of absurd. Your army has predator drones, tanks and artillery. A militia wouldn't stand a chance.
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Balddog4 In reply to Greatkingrat88 [2017-06-11 01:00:06 +0000 UTC]
You know, one thing that bugs me the most is when people who don't live in the United States try and dictate what we Americans should or should not do.
Human rights are what this country is founded upon. Owning things is a human right. So owning a gun falls under that category of ownership. Despite what people say otherwise. By refusing people the right to own a gun, you might as well state that children are slaves until they become an adult. Human rights can NOT be dictated by a bunch of people who states that one person is allowed to make Anti-Trump comments yet Anti-Obama comments are frowned upon.
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SuperArtMaxim In reply to Balddog4 [2023-07-19 00:32:10 +0000 UTC]
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Greatkingrat88 In reply to Balddog4 [2017-06-11 07:30:39 +0000 UTC]
Not an argument. I can have an opinion the same as you- and not to sound rude, but I'm pretty sure I know more about your political system than the average US citizen.
Your country was founded well before human rights existed. What we today think of as human rights were hammered out and defined only after the second world war. Your country was formed in a time when it was okay to own slaves and kill natives to take their lands... so I wouldn't get on my high horses about what it was founded upon. Don't get me wrong, it was founded on some pretty solid principles, but it's factually inaccurate to say it was founded on human rights.
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Balddog4 In reply to Greatkingrat88 [2017-06-11 18:42:46 +0000 UTC]
Ok. There are a whole lot more to what our Founding Fathers did than what is known. First off, the Founding Fathers abhorred slavery, because it went against Natural Human Rights. The right to live as you please. Now while it's true that the Founding Fathers allowed Slavery to exist in America, they did it so that the states in the South would agree to sign the Constitution. However they purposely wrote the Constitution so that the States that already have slaves could keep their slaves but new states aren't able to have slaves. The whole thing about the Civil War was that the southern Democrats wanted Slavery to expand to the west. Which is against the Constitution.
Killing the Natives wasn't something that the Founding Fathers wanted. It happened because people who were put into power allowed it to happen. Just because all everyone focus on is slavery and killing Native Americans it "proves" that America is nothing but a bully, is a big joke. America has done more good for the World than any other country in the world.
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Greatkingrat88 In reply to Balddog4 [2017-06-11 18:53:28 +0000 UTC]
Not so much that they actually worked to outlaw it, though. They even owned slaves. Early america also included the further rape and devastation of native cultures. While founded on good principles, it took a long time before the US actually approached anything actually equal.
The founding fathers weren't in power? Really now?
The US has a very long history soaked with blood, from slavery and native rape to their aggressive post-WWII imperialism and active sabotage of left wing democracy in south america. America has done good for America, and if other nations were lucky, they got to be part of screwing the oppressed over for a profit.
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Balddog4 In reply to Greatkingrat88 [2017-06-11 23:27:23 +0000 UTC]
You know there are people who border the line of pure ignorance and you are one of them. All you do is twist words that I've said and turned them into something that they are not. America, wither you believe it or not, has liberated millions of people and have given freedom to those who wanted it. If America isn't so great, then why, exlaine why is it that millions of people want to immigrate to the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA?!
If other countries are so much better than America, then why isn't people immigrating to Sweden or London or France?
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Greatkingrat88 In reply to Balddog4 [2017-06-12 06:54:48 +0000 UTC]
Oh, the irony of being accused of ignorance by a nationalist apologist who is incapable of accepting the sins of the past and can see no wrong with a time period full of wrongs...
America has historically consistently been shitty to other countries and peoples. People who are impoverished and looking for a better life does not invalidate that.
...you do realize that lots of people do that, right?
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Balddog4 In reply to Greatkingrat88 [2017-06-12 17:38:28 +0000 UTC]
That's the thing. I'm not apologizing for America's mistakes. Yes. We had slavery, but you know what? So did everyone else. Slavery wasn't just a America thing. Over thousands of years slavery existed. Slaves were used to build the pyramids, the Great Wall of China, even Natives Americans enslaved other tribes. Only one war was ever fought to end slavery and that was the American Civil War.
Oh and you want to know something else. Slavery still exist today. Yeah, human trafficking is a slave network. They sell sex slaves. Yeah that's right sex slaves.
It's not our past sins that define us. It's how we handled those mistakes and got passed them that defines us. Everything that's in the past is not who we are now. We no longer have slaves, we no longer have social inequality, women and minorities have the same rights as the majority. While you don't care for anything that America has done it doesn't matter.
I love and care for America. And that is all that matters.
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Greatkingrat88 In reply to Balddog4 [2017-06-12 19:33:32 +0000 UTC]
Yes, it's true many other countries did that historically. That's the problem- they were products of their time, but making apologia saying it was out of their hands etc is dishonest.
Yes, I am aware. What of it?
I agree. But if you want to be proud of your country and hold it up as an example, then the intellectually honest thing to do would also be to acknowledge its flaws and past sins, and criticize it when it goes wrong. The fact that overly patriotic people don't do this is the reason I have nothing but contempt for nationalism.
Loving an arbitrary, artificial construct such as a nation is irrational. Love its people, love its culture, love the friends and family you have there- but the country itself only exists in our heads.
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MadKingFroggy In reply to Art-of-kNOw [2017-06-08 17:56:06 +0000 UTC]
Having a tool specifically made with the sole purpose of killing or injuring others is not a human right. People have gone their entire lives without needing one. They haven't done the same for water or food or shelter. :/
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ReclusiveChicken In reply to Art-of-kNOw [2017-06-08 16:04:45 +0000 UTC]
guns are something the strong-willed claim, particularly in a country where guns are frowned upon by the government. the people must arm themselves to defend their interests and attack those who struggle against them.
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