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Problem Solved
It sounds funny because the God debate is often portrayed as such a profound and insoluble riddle. But if you actually do Google it, you’ll find plenty of articles about untestable hypotheses, anecdotal evidence, Ockham’s Razor, and other useful info about how to evaluate claims, as well as info about evolution, cosmology, particle physics, and other relevant subjects. (I’ve even written a few myself.) Sure, you’ll also find websites like Answers in Genesis, but if you read everything that’s available, you’ll understand why it’s not called Correct Answers in Genesis.
So if anybody asks you why it’s irrational to believe in God, you can just tell them to Google it. And if they accuse you of naively oversimplifying a complex issue, just direct them here.
Examples of useful info that can be found by anyone who is genuinely inquisitive:
Why do people laugh at creationists? (part 1)
God is Imaginary
Why Won’t God Heal Amputees
Skyhooks and Cranes
Unfalsifiable claims
Ockham’s Razor
The Best Case For God: Refuted
The Euthyphro Dilemma
Abiogenesis
An article about how to look for intelligent design, with links to lists of embarrassing counterexamples to intelligent design.
A Universe from Nothing
For more religious humor, check out
My Religion
The Bible Says God Doesn’t Exist.
And…
is religiously metaphorical by ~BlueMeadow193 .
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Comments: 1044
silvershadowhdgehog In reply to ??? [2012-06-11 20:39:39 +0000 UTC]
BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY
GOOGLE IS MORE RELIABLE THAN YOUR OWN INSTINCT
YUP C:
/sarcasm
seriously, if you wanna know if God is real, ask yourself, not petty people on the internet who all think they're right. whether it's pro-deity or not. personally, i believe in God, but i don't shove it down people's throats. i implore that people should look to RELIABLE sources, which you will hardly EVER find on the internet. if you find God is real, good for you. if you find He isn't, good for you. but no matter what, you shouldn't run around telling people they're right or wrong or saying something is "bullshi**". quite honestly, no one cares. and it's rude and obnoxious. come at me if you want but i frankly won't give a living crap. xD
this doesn't deserve the favorites. i respect you, ~RushAndRuleIt , but this isn't ART, neither is it encouraging anything that will rightfully guide someone like you might think. this was submitted to the featured folder in my group, but will not be accepted. apologies. hope you have a nice day, though.
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starcat72 In reply to silvershadowhdgehog [2013-03-03 06:56:49 +0000 UTC]
asked myself. there isn't a god.
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silvershadowhdgehog In reply to starcat72 [2013-03-03 07:21:26 +0000 UTC]
i'm not really sure what to say except for good job? that's your opinion and it doesn't bother me [that is, since you appear to be trying to get a rise out of other people commenting]. but good for you. i won't shove my beliefs down your throat if you don't shove yours down mine.
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SpongeMuffin In reply to silvershadowhdgehog [2012-06-29 04:17:24 +0000 UTC]
What counts as a "reliable source" when it comes to religion? It's impossible to have a reliable religious source, because there's not factual evidence to support the source.
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Ntn2 In reply to silvershadowhdgehog [2012-06-24 20:49:29 +0000 UTC]
Asking yourself? Lol.
"personally, i believe in God, but i don't shove it down people's throats."
-And?
"i implore that people should look to RELIABLE sources, which you will hardly EVER find on the internet."
-And what reliable source you can find IRL about the existance of god? The Bible? Lol.
"but no matter what, you shouldn't run around telling people they're right or wrong or saying something is 'bullshi**'"
-I don't see why~
"quite honestly, no one cares. and it's rude and obnoxious. come at me if you want but i frankly won't give a living crap"
-And?
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silvershadowhdgehog In reply to Ntn2 [2012-06-24 22:12:57 +0000 UTC]
and your argument is? d: seriously am i supposed to be annoyed with you? lol.
there are other sources you can look to that AREN'T about God, you know. in fact it can have nothing to do really with God. "asking yourself? lol." i don't get really why that's funny, sir.
why? because it's rude. but obviously people don't care about openly offending people they've never really met before, sure. no problem with that.
although your "and?"s did bother me, seeing as they had nothing to do with anything and proved nothing. guess you just didn't have anything better to say. you're probably just doing this because i mentioned that i believe in God and it annoys you. yep okay.
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Ntn2 In reply to silvershadowhdgehog [2012-06-24 22:34:52 +0000 UTC]
"and your argument is? d: seriously am i supposed to be annoyed with you? lol."
-You're not supposed to do anything, just reply, I guess.
"there are other sources you can look to that AREN'T about God, you know. in fact it can have nothing to do really with God."
-Lolwut.
"'asking yourself? lol.' i don't get really why that's funny, sir."
-Is very funny, 'cuz you can't get real answers about the world and the existance of something asking yourself.
"why? because it's rude"
-Lol, ok.
"but obviously people don't care about openly offending people they've never really met before, sure. no problem with that."
-I don't care about offending people IRL either; if I see bullshit, I call bullshit.
"although your "and?"s did bother me"
-Don't.
"seeing as they had nothing to do with anything and proved nothing."
-They didn't prove anything; they are questions, retard.
And they do have to do with this.
"guess you just didn't have anything better to say"
-And you didn't replied to those "and?s either; I guess you just didn't have anything else to say.
"you're probably just doing this because i mentioned that i believe in God and it annoys you. yep okay."
-Whatever reason I might have to reply to you doesn't affect what I said.
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silvershadowhdgehog In reply to Ntn2 [2012-06-24 23:06:50 +0000 UTC]
wow, dude, seriously. what is your problem? why do people like you just ask for an argument? how old are you??
ah, no, because whatever you were trying to evoke didn't work. maybe because there was nothing to answer? maybe if you would do something besides quote me i would try to understand what in heck you're trying to do? i don't know if you're attacking me personally or looking for some petty argument; nonetheless it's a waste of my time~~
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Ntn2 In reply to silvershadowhdgehog [2012-06-24 23:11:10 +0000 UTC]
"wow, dude, seriously. what is your problem? why do people like you just ask for an argument? how old are you??"
-Keeps mind active; might be useful; kills boredom.
"ah, no, because whatever you were trying to evoke didn't work."
-Lolwut.
"maybe because there was nothing to answer?"
-There were questions.
"maybe if you would do something besides quote me i would try to understand what in heck you're trying to do?"
-Lol.
" i don't know if you're attacking me personally or looking for some petty argument; nonetheless it's a waste of my time"
-Yet you keep replying~~
And no, I'm not attacking you personally; and you were the one who commented first, so complaining about replies is kinda' hypocrital.
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silvershadowhdgehog In reply to Ntn2 [2012-06-24 23:19:46 +0000 UTC]
didn't ever ASK for replies, sir~~ i reply to things typically because people are looking for a conversation when they reply, thus, i *attempted* to have one.
and certainly not REAL questions. i didn't really understand what sort of answer you were really looking for.
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Ntn2 In reply to silvershadowhdgehog [2012-06-24 23:21:40 +0000 UTC]
"didn't ever ASK for replies, sir"
-Not like I needed you to ask me to reply.
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silvershadowhdgehog In reply to Ntn2 [2012-06-25 05:55:39 +0000 UTC]
ahh no. people don't typically do that.
i'm done lol.
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zarhx In reply to silvershadowhdgehog [2012-06-14 21:35:46 +0000 UTC]
You know what I think is rude and obnoxious?
Living in a free country where I see mentions of Christianity every. single. day. And no one cares, because Christians are the majority. I was forced to say "under God" all throughout school, but you're right. Atheists, with their sound reasoning and logic, are the ones who are rude and obnoxious.
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silvershadowhdgehog In reply to zarhx [2012-06-14 21:49:49 +0000 UTC]
i wasn't saying that religious choices were rude and obnoxious, i'm saying the people flaming those choices were rude and obnoxious. you misinterpreted what I was saying. i don't care if someone says, "i don't believe in God because it isn't logical in my mind." that is perfectly agreeable and polite. but someone saying "it's bullsh**" is rude. and obnoxious. it's how you word things or say things. it's not the fact that you're saying it's bullsh**, its HOW you word your opinion that makes it obnoxious. i have no problem with other religions nor was i the person to make you say you believe in God. don't put that blame on me because i believe in God. i personally would never do that to someone.
please read more carefully before you make a rude assumption. i respect you entirely.
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BatmanWithBunnyEars In reply to silvershadowhdgehog [2012-06-12 22:20:41 +0000 UTC]
You say I will hardly EVER find reliable sources on the Internet - but now you're a source on the Internet, so I guess I shouldn't trust you either?
All kidding aside, you seem to have missed the part where I said I wrote my own analyses on the subject. Also, there is a lot of good info to be found on the Internet. If you're uncertain, look at multiple sources and check them against each other.
Also, it is art. It's more about the words (in both the drawing and the description) and their impact than the visual presentation, so it's more like a literary art, but it's still art nonetheless.
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silvershadowhdgehog In reply to BatmanWithBunnyEars [2012-06-14 22:02:46 +0000 UTC]
technically i'm asking for someone to ask themself, not the internet. that's reliable. ;] hahaha, oh, you.
i'm not quite sure what to say to you, because i'm not saying there's nothing. the key word was HARDLY, not ever. i'm just saying that this picture seems to kid at first, and somewhat attracts a younger crowd more than say, someone who is older and more mature. a younger person will not skim past the first few pages of google to find a reliable source. sure, you can use it for an essay or high school science project, but then it doesn't really matter if the information came from a reliable source or not. to find the basis of what you believe on the internet sounds a little overrated. i'm a believer of self searching because that's where you'll find the best answer. i'm not attacking you personally, i hope you know. i'd kind of appreciate if you weren't so rude.
as for the art thing, i just don't appreciate it as art. something like this couldn't have taken more than an hour, and i spent like 8 on a recent drawing with far less favorites. it seems more like you're appealing to viewers more than respecting it as art. by all means, i don't intend to sound rude. if i am, i apologize. just voicing my opinion.
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Shadoweddancer In reply to ??? [2012-06-11 20:38:29 +0000 UTC]
The fool says in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good.
You believe what you want to believe, that doesn't change what is true. This is an art site, and your opinions aren't worth wasting any more of my time over.
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BatmanWithBunnyEars In reply to Shadoweddancer [2012-06-12 21:57:47 +0000 UTC]
So anybody who doesn't believe the same things you do is automatically corrupt and vile? That's like me saying that all Christians are horrible people who thrive on religious violence and oppression. That's not a fair assessment, is it? Seriously, get over yourself. And if at all possible, consider the possibility that you're not omniscient and your belief system might be mistaken.
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simonpark81 In reply to BatmanWithBunnyEars [2012-06-13 11:11:48 +0000 UTC]
i get you, and i also know from experience that people always jump off the deep end with such things. everyone out there that just wants to back up a thesis they have no proof for, and are in fact unwilling to look for;
they really need to actually think about the universe they live in once in a while instead of relying on everything being done for them by their chemical receptors.... study is the only way to understand truth and history.
the fact that followers of the bible burnt everyone that didnt follow their faith is enough for me.
i have felt god, i know it is there.
yet i also know that the holy books are diversions for mankind, as they all say
"do not trust the other holy books" and therefor proove themselves false - the true word of god needs no promise, it is holy and impossible to question.
all holy books are full of questions, not giving any answers.
so thats my 10 pence worth.
expect trouble-seekers when putting things like this up.
you give good evidence and im on your side, but you got balls to say such things so brazenly
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Shadoweddancer In reply to BatmanWithBunnyEars [2012-06-12 22:17:18 +0000 UTC]
The Bible's words, not mine.
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zarhx In reply to Shadoweddancer [2012-06-14 21:37:46 +0000 UTC]
The bible also says:
"Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!"
Yet ALL studies have found that people who are prayed for DO NOT recover faster than those who aren't prayed for. Explain that one.
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Shadoweddancer In reply to zarhx [2012-06-14 22:23:47 +0000 UTC]
That has not been MY experience. I know a lot of people that were cured miraculously. And frankly, I'm not spending any more time with you. You will believe what you choose...now. The Bible also says every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Christ is Lord. You will eventually bow before him. I can only pray that like C. S. Lewis who set out to try to disprove that God's existance and now is know as one of the most brilliant Christian writers of the last century. I guess your more intelligent than he was. You will receive no more replies from me. Like I said, this is an ART site. Take your nasty agenda somewhere else!
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zarhx In reply to Shadoweddancer [2012-06-15 03:58:18 +0000 UTC]
"Cured miraculously" could also just be the human body or medicince doing its job.
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a-nameless-one In reply to ??? [2012-06-11 17:57:08 +0000 UTC]
I would like to point out the irony in invoking the writings of a theistic Franciscan friar in order to "prove" god's non-existence.
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BatmanWithBunnyEars In reply to a-nameless-one [2012-06-12 10:17:58 +0000 UTC]
Which part was written by the friar?
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a-nameless-one In reply to BatmanWithBunnyEars [2012-06-12 14:47:09 +0000 UTC]
William of Ockham was an English Franciscan friar
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FrayedDawn In reply to ??? [2012-06-10 23:10:57 +0000 UTC]
What scientific evidence do you have that God doesn't exist? I'm curious.
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BatmanWithBunnyEars In reply to FrayedDawn [2012-06-10 23:17:27 +0000 UTC]
The link entitled "The Best Case for God: Refuted" leads to something I wrote. It's more about the lack of evidence for a general intelligent creator than positive evidence against. However, if you define God as being perfect, loving, etc., there's evidence against it too.
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FrayedDawn In reply to BatmanWithBunnyEars [2012-06-10 23:37:41 +0000 UTC]
But you're saying there's no physical evidence that God doesn't exist, yes? Technically, one cannot disprove one theory unless they have scientific evidence that their idea is correct. From what I've heard from others, the best "evidence" you have that He doesn't exist is that there's evidence of macro-evolution (which would refute the Creationism theory).
Unfortunately, the theory of macro-evolution is faulty, since little to no links have been found to prove the theory--Lucy is now outdated--and uses carbon dating. Carbon-dating is measured in the half-life of carbon. Scientists take the half-life of carbon found in dinosaur bones to determine age. However, the half-life of carbon is about 1,000 years. This means the carbon atom vanishes between 10,000 years, 15,000 at best. Scientists "guess" some millions of years, since carbon-dating could never reach that far. They currently trying argon-dating now (which has a half-life of 10,000 years), but it's such an erratic element that it can't be measured accurately.
Of course, micro-evolution exists. We have photographic and recent experimental evidence of that.
I'm curious, is this evidence from the Bible? And technically if you have evidence that God isn't loving, doesn't that mean you are also proving he exists?
(This isn't meant to be some scathing comment at all. I'm just thinking out loud/friendly debating )
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simonpark81 In reply to FrayedDawn [2012-06-13 11:13:55 +0000 UTC]
one problem,
its actually impossible to proove that WE exist, so whether or not god does goes well beyond simply thinking it over.
have you heard of the measurement problem in quantum physics?
interesting stuff
joining in the debate, hope you dont mind
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loselips-sinkships In reply to simonpark81 [2012-07-02 03:29:52 +0000 UTC]
Interesting perspective! Then again, the thought of existence is an intense concept in itself.
I find it foolish that people go about debating the existence of a God rather than the existence of ourselves.
Hell, you all could be figments of my imagination for all we know.
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simonpark81 In reply to loselips-sinkships [2012-07-03 13:25:20 +0000 UTC]
for most of my life i honestly believed everyone else was just a figment of my imagination.... so you have hit the nail on the head right there.
my concern is that people spend too much time arguing about whether or not the water coming into the boat is blue or clear that the boat has already sunk around them. its gonna be a long swim to the surface.
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FrayedDawn In reply to simonpark81 [2012-06-13 15:15:10 +0000 UTC]
Ahaha, good point there xD There are some people that believe nothing exists, and that everything's just a hallucination we see in our brains (which would make no sense, if we didn't exist)...
-Mindbend-
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simonpark81 In reply to FrayedDawn [2012-06-13 16:20:36 +0000 UTC]
didnt want to seem contrary by saying that but i feel it is very important to keep a level head and remember all the possibilities when trying to tackle such difficult subject matter.
they have actually proven through quantum physics experimentation that molecules dont actually exist as a solid pattern unless it is being watched. its known as the measurement problem, and either prooves or disprooves everyone's theories at once.... of god, the world and life itself... personally it taught me to broaden my horizons and ex[pect the unexpected
all the best, sorry again for hijacking my way into your conversation. im english, its just how we are
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FrayedDawn In reply to simonpark81 [2012-06-13 16:27:35 +0000 UTC]
True, that!
Dude, English people are awesome :3
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BatmanWithBunnyEars In reply to FrayedDawn [2012-06-11 05:00:51 +0000 UTC]
Evolution wouldn't be so enthusiastically maintained if Lucy were the only fossil that was found. Many of the transitional forms have been found, and you can see the originals at the Nairobi Museum of Natural History. Also, radiocarbon dating is only one form of dating used. There are many substances that breakdown over predictable intervals of time, and they all converge at the same answers for various important lengths of time, such as fossil ages, the age of the Earth, etc.
In reference to disproving a loving God, the general idea is that a loving and infinitely powerful and knowing God wouldn't have a world full of suffering and injustice. I realize there are many comebacks to this, and I've addressed them at length in my writing. Anyway, this gives strong evidence that a particular depiction of God doesn't exist, but this argument in and of itself doesn't say anything about whether a different type of creative intelligence exists.
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Marsmar In reply to ??? [2012-06-10 22:44:04 +0000 UTC]
If you're looking for absolute proof that a deistic god of sorts doesn't exist. I can't quite help you out. If you're looking for proof that an all powerful, knowing, and loving god doesn't exist, search up some holy books rather than atheist sites. They can disprove their gods faster than Hitchens or Dawkins or Twain ever could.
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falcorn0squirrel In reply to ??? [2012-06-10 17:03:11 +0000 UTC]
For a minute or so i thought this was a joke, now I'm just kinda sad that this is serious.
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falcorn0squirrel In reply to SpongeMuffin [2012-07-01 22:35:07 +0000 UTC]
cause its using the internet to determine the future of your soul, i just think its sad that this is how its determined.
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SpongeMuffin In reply to falcorn0squirrel [2012-07-01 22:56:50 +0000 UTC]
Assuming we have souls
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falcorn0squirrel In reply to SpongeMuffin [2012-07-03 05:08:20 +0000 UTC]
True but then the whole thing is pointless.
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falcorn0squirrel In reply to SpongeMuffin [2012-07-03 16:41:35 +0000 UTC]
Saying that god doesnt exist, i mean if we don't have souls then it would matter if god existed or not.
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SpongeMuffin In reply to falcorn0squirrel [2012-07-03 18:24:26 +0000 UTC]
Doesn't matter to me, nope I don't think there is a god, just humans with good imaginations.
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