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I'm no She-Ra fan, but even I can't contain my disgust at the whiny, screeching, homophobic, Comics & Diversity following douchebags that have nothing better to do than to bitch and moan about the new designs for the upcoming reboot. These guys seem to be up in arms about protecting the dignity of a show that was never even aimed at them, labeling the new She-Ra as a "butch lesbian" or body-shaming the characters for not having the typical Barbie body type, calling it "the destruction of beauty" ( ironically, done so by some of the most rotund neckbeards.)
If you're a fan of the original, that's more than fine. You don't have to tear down the reboot to make the original seem better, or vice versa. As a Transformers fan, I can attest that there's room enough in this world for more than one iteration of a beloved cartoon, and the memories you gain from them will endure. I say give the new cartoon a chance, and what will be will be. Just do yourself a favor and make sure your opinion is an informed one, and don't blindly follow the spiteful words of a bunch of manbabies who are simply bitter that they can't glaze their fists to the new designs.
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Yeah, I agree. The new She-Ra design looks just fine to me. I know she looks like a teenager now, and she's more muscularly built, but personally, I don't mind at all. Not every female character needs to be drawn so sexually. I believe there needs to be a middle ground between being sexy and being semi-athletic. So, those people seriously need to calm the heck down.
Anyway, very nice drawing of both Princesses of Power. It almost looks like a mother-daughter pic right here. ^^
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Eh, I don't much care for the new design. Looks too much like a boy, though I have a bad feeling that's what they're going for.
I enjoyed He-Man and She-Ra whenever they came on when I was growing up.
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I just think that She-ra looks more tomboyish that the original 80's, and more Precure-inspirited details...
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I think its hilarious that people are getting so up in arms about reboots of shows that honestly might not have been that good or deserved them to begin with.
Like, you can critique a shows design, writing, etc. but to say that taking this entirely new show aimed at an entirely new generation somehow 'betrays' the original is complete nonsense. I mean I don't know what to expect from the new She-Ra show, but it's a reboot of GODDAMNED SHE-RA! I don't even think people who were fans of He-Man watched She-Ra and even if they did, they've probably not realized how bad those shows actually were. Go back and watch an old episode of He-Man or Thundercats or GI Joe or even G1 Transformers, pay attention to the writing, voice-acting, and animation and tell me that those shows somehow hold up compared to more modern shows.
What I'm trying to say is, it's fine to judge and criticize a show on it's own merits, but the people who're up in arms about reboots & redesigns and dedicating entire blogs to how 'modern animation is shit, the kids these days, graah' should really look back on the shows they're treating like masterpieces and think critically about whether or not there's even anything to 'betray' in them.
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Well, i dunno if this will help with your point, but i wanna give a point of view of potential why there is a dislike.
She Ra is far from a perfect show and i dont have real attachments to it. Smetimes morals made no sense, is obvious there were problems with the writting and pacing. yet there was a charm with it and whow some of the concepts for the characters adn the world here. I feel that if there is a valid complain, it is not so much that there is hatred against the idea of rebooting rather than how is being remade.
Take for example beast wars. PEople might had complained the switch from vehicles to animals...but the plots and ideas it contributed were good enough to give a second wind to the transformers franchise. MLP (lets nto get into the fandom issues) got some fresh air in G4 by making ideas that werent so limited to the demographics. Power rangers in space changed tides and showed the show could be more deep in spite of it being a show about multicolored heroes fighting rubber suit monsters. And people liked the 2011 thundercats reboot because they took the core but were free to expand concepts and even make the clumsy villains feel more dangerous. Or the 2012 TMNT toon, wich feels ike a mix of the eighties toon with the 2003 ones with their own spin (My fave part was them making Bebop and Rocksteady.....smarter). Those were good reboots or remakes or proper ways to continue. Neither of thsoe shows are forgetting their more cheesy version origins, but they ensure to keep th charm that made them good in the first place.
But since im recently hearing the SheRa stuff, i think, not getting involed with some of the more controversial parts, the reason i feel there are problems is this: The big fear is to miss the core concept and add new problems in the reboot instead of taking chances to make things better so it feels like it can have its own merit but also respect or not forget its roots. This year alone we got two problems with the shows...one of them?....
Reboot the guardian code
Reboot was known for the, at the time of course, innovative CGI and plot. Arround third season everything was betterm graphics and storyline. They built an interesting world inside the computer, made the user an enigmatic but powerfull figure to them, i cant make justice but check the show out if you havent. Sure the graphics aged baddly but their storyline not so much. Saddly it ended in a cliffhanger....and after many years of suspense to finish the storyline....with CGI graphics and technology itself getting better, what did they chose to make the guardian code? A sort of code lyoko ripoff that misses entirely the core concept.
The other problem is in The Thundercats roar part. Again the show ended cliffhanger like due off bad network management and rather than continuing the pending storyline, come up with something questionable. ANd people feels or fears than the core concepts of the chars get distorted to comedy. Comedy no itself i not necessarily bad....but fear is the unfunny jokes or stuff like teen titans go, or that due off the style, reducing chances of having a style of its own and instead using what is the trend.
Bottom line, i am not against the idea of rebooting a show in itself. Shows taht were so so are the best ones to apply the formula since there isn't much to loose if it fails. But one cant forget where those shows were, and the core cant be entirely destroyed or forgotten in the process. I admit i havd my opinions but im willing to cool down and see how it goes.
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ANd they bettr do a good darn design of Admiral Scurvy if they bring him back! I know he was a minor villain but i dont care.
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I get what you're saying about forgetting the core or 'heart' of a show, but the She-Ra reboot hasn't even come out yet and people are already bashing it over relatively minor infractions.
With Reboot & Thundercats I get why fans would get angry at the reboots before they even air. The original shows got screwed over and they never got the closure they wanted, it's fair to be a little mad (although going so far as to hurl insults & threats at the creators and writers of the reboots is going WAY too far).
But with shows like She-Ra or He-Man or many shows from the 80's there's not much of a 'heart' to betray and not much closure was ever needed. It's a pretty well known fact that most 80's cartoons were glorified toy commercials and the primary charm of the shows (speaking as someone who never grew up with them) come from:
1) The incredibly poor quality of animation & writing. (Lack of quality doesn't mean lack of fun)
2) The cool concepts, designs, and worlds the characters inhabit.
Because these shows were essentially meant to advertise toys & playsets, the writers had to focus more on the esthetics and action than the overall plot and story. In the 80's everything was about appearances. Consequently, all the reboot has to do is keep an interesting aesthetic/design to stay true to the original. To be fair, you can criticize a shows art direction/character designs, but good God these people need to have a little more tact than 'why duz shee-ra luk like a man?'
Modern writers are given far more freedom in what stories they can tell, how they tell them, and at what pace. That's not to say that quality writing couldn't happen in the 80's, but it seemingly happened in spite of the shows concept & production. Add onto the fact that it's more or less a guarantee that the reboot will have better animation that the stiff Filmation style and all the series really has to do is have good writing, which we won't be able to judge until it comes out.
So ultimately, it's fair to criticize a reboot's art/design if you do it in a tactful way, but you shouldn't write a reboot off as terrible and traitorous before the pilot even airs.
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The one thing i forgot t o add and im very glad you reminded me was the core difference between SHe-Ra and the other ones. The thing i said about the core was the general conception however.....there is something i remembered when reading a spanish site that reviews movies and taht sometimes remakes work better if the original concept while having some potential, doesnt have too much risk to loose something.
She-Ra did not had exactly much to loose and, with some stuff there and there is not a show i have a personal connection like Swat Kats, for example.I cant say i grew up with that show either since i saw it on those retro tv show channels out of curiosity. But...yes criticism needs to be done better, i even admit i got tired of some snark of some games and stuff because all the criticism begun to feel less constructive and more unfunny.
I hope i did not became a nuissance because of the long text i wrote explaining the maybe of why the dread on She-Ra. But judging by the pics on DA and some stuff, there seems to be more people calling out the backlash than the backlash. I hope yuo have a nice day and i have no problems being corrected or called out may i had missed something.
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No, no I enjoy reading well constructed arguments & I'm glad you took the time to write one!
I suppose the reason more people are calling out the backlash than causing it is because more people are willing to give the show a chance. Of all the properties from the 80s She-Ra has the cleanest slate to work off of, untainted by sudden cancelations (Reboot, Thundercats), difficult or dated themes (GI Joe & how war/terrorism is core to it's concept), or even a quality starting point. Plus the concept of an honest to God action show with a female lead was not only a rather progressive concept in the 80s, it's an extremely appealing idea for people in 2018. So aside from loons who want to hate on the show because 'shee-ruh hs muscle sheez not sexxy', there's not much snark or anger from most people.
I'm glad we were able to have this conversation and I hope you have a nice day as well.
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I tank you a lot for the wishes, and im very glad we were discussing this in a very polite and civilized there. Well, i just wanted to examine the details to figure out what ended happening so that is the deal of how things ended going wrong. But the one ting i admit i am curious. Ok i might expect drastic redesigns with the resistance, but i want to see how theyll tackle the villains.
There is a lot of unused villains or not too deep so taht gives chance to reforge them. But of all of them besides Hordak, the ones im curious if theyll do justice or a good upgrade are Shadow weaver (DUe off her being one of the few competent ones), Imp (Due off his loyalty and senses) and a minor bad guy named Admiral Scurvy (I liked the design i kinda felt him a bit different frmo the usual thugs seen in the show). If they suceed in improoving them, good they suceedd at a skill if not, there is no huge loss.
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I’m definitely going to give it a chance. The new design for her costume isnt as great as the original for me but perhaps it is better fitted for the direction they are taking the reboot. Got to see what the rest of the world is like around her before coming to a final judgement.
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I just think the design of the new costume is garbage.
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Honestly think that both designs are good, though I like the original more since its more detailed.
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Who is that next to She-Ra? Her little brother?
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That is also She-Ra. There's only one brother, and that's He-Man.
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Yeah, He-Man and She-Ra are twins, I know. I used to watch the cartoons back in the day.
So I just read up on the "issue" and this is a redesign then. Well, can't say I am particularly fond of it and I am more enamoured with the old She-Ra. But to each their own, I guess.
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I can also see why they gave her body armor a redesign to look more appealing to parents. But she's still wearing regulars type of cloths with only a few bits of actual armor on her boots and shoulders and head. But the top she has makes her look like a dude like I said in the previous comment. I understand the update in body armor but in the end it's not really body armor to begin with. It's (from my perspective) more like work out cloths but in universe suppose to be like chain mail armor but looks like regular old cloths and linens.
Though I think if they wanted that type of top they really should have given her some type of midevils breast plate to show that "hay see this athletic person? She's a girl." Just something to think about. Hell when I see my fellow Marines when I see them in a full combat load out. Dispute everyone wearing the same thing the females still stand out. Just saying.
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I'm not sure what it is but the new she-ra looks like a guy. Now I'm no artist but in some of the concept art I think what they where going for is a very much younger version of her. But two of the three concept art pictures or frames make her look like a 14 year old dude who didn't hit puberty yet was cosplaying as She-ra.
I think It was more of the bad angle frames that made the "younger looking" She-ra to look like a dude. But to be honest o never really cared about the 1980s show as much as my mom did. And my little sister. I can see why some people (Mainly old Fans) of that spin off series are kind of mad but then again there arguments are quite sound. That say just make her more feminine and you d be good. That's the only thing I here from the "Old blood".
Then again there's the leftist feminazis who take the old fans words out of context and cry mysogine or whatever sexist shit they come up with to make men look like sexist pigs when in reality it's the other fucking way around.
But hay, Ladies and Gents, boys and girls, Guardins of all ages. Those are just my thoughts. Stay frosty
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I think what the argument they are making is, or the one I've heard the most is if this show is championing woman empowerment and equal representation, then why butch up the main character who's original design was significantly more feminine and still kicked ass. She did her job and appealed to young girls.
Now I'm not an expert on gender studies or whatever bullshit this applies to, I'm but a humble kink artist, but I think this is an argument of how we as a generation
define what a female should or would look like. Back then, the old She-Ra was the definition of peak female physique while now, for better or worse, anything goes.
But as a kink artist, I also see the elephant in the room and a huge reason why people are frustrated with the new design. I don't see why they're getting frustrated, myself including many others will still exploit the shit out of this design and lewd her to our best ability. It's how we pay bills. So in the end, it won't matter.
I dunno. I never get involved with these sorts of conversations. I find them tedious, especially if it's about a show that'll lose relevancy in half a year at best. In my opinion, the extremes from both sides discussing this topic are just annoying in general. No need to start flame wars over a reboot.
Art's pretty good, though. Top notch.
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Well, that's the thing, isn't it? You say the older SheRa looks more feminine, but the scope for femininity was a lot narrower back then. As the more diverse body types of female characters nowadays are created by women themselves, I'd surmise that femininity can't be confined to so narrow a scope, and I don't think a bunch of thirty-something white males are in any position to argue that.
I do, however, agree with you on one thing; the more determined of people will kink the shit out of the designs. Not shaming, BTW. Everybody's got a kink, and sometimes that boat gotta float (The stuff I've seen on DA alone...) and that to me further invalidates the "anti-SJW" side of the argument.
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Honestly, I just want an animated Jem reboot...
Yeah, it would actually be horrible... But if there's one genre of music children need to be introduced to today is 80's glamour rock.
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What you say is fair, I agree that during the 80's, what was seen as normal or socially acceptable for a woman to look like was narrow and didn't include every woman in America let alone the whole world. But, people argue that if a show like the She-Ra reboot is championing for women's empowerment, then why can't she be as feminine as her source material? Yeah, women are way more diversified than before and our media definitely show this today, but is making a very feminine character look more butch, more masculine, basically saying a girl is only strong when she LOOKS masculine?
(As I ask this, keep in mind I'm not trying to challenge you personally, I'm asking general questions and I invite a reasonable answer. This is a debate over a reboot, not birth control. Doesn't need to be serious.)
What I think is the situation is the chosen art style. This is my argument, what I type here is what I believe. Much like other cartoons around right now, this She-Ra reboot is no different when it comes to its art style. It's simplistic and doesn't seem to allow for realistic features like the original She-Ra cartoon did with its semi-realistic art style.
Again, I only wanted to play devil's advocate for some of the "White Males" you seem to tease for not being able to get their rocks off to She-Ra anymore... Like she was relevant to jerk off to in the first place. Frankly, I just think it's an issue with the art style being simplistic. Nothing wrong with it. It's just simplistic.
I just think both extremes from both sides are equally retarded when discussing a reboot of an 80's tv spin-off of He-Man.
"THE FucKIN LibTaRDS TOOK HeR FuCKin TItS AwaY anD MadE HeR FuCKIN BUTch!"
"ThE FUckin WHITE MALES AnD THeir PENISES!! FLaT DYkES SMASH THE PATRIARCHY!"
Take it easy, it's just a drawing.
(p.s. I already found lewd drawings of She-Ra with a fat cock on Twitter so we're already on a roll.)
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Though I don't think much of the new design, I think it's okay, just not my interest. However I do agree that people bitch about something that's not part of their demographic and are blinded by nostalgia. It's like what Pan Pizza posted on tumblr about how this reminds him of the comic book geeks complaining about the Teen Titans 2003 cartoon version of Starfire not having a womanly figure. Eventually, that show became one of the big hit DC cartoons. So whatever She-Ra has to offer, I may not be interested but I wish nothing but good luck on the show.
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I never heard complaints about the 2003 Titans cartoon, but I have little doubt that they took place. Kind of weird how it's come full-circle with the success of Teen Titans Go.
Can't wait to see that movie.
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Back then when the Teen Titans cartoon was announced, most DC comic fans don't know what to make of it. If you've read the original comics, it's filled with much darker stories than the cartoon could tackle. One post states that they didn't like Starfire's animated look back then. Hell, same can be said to Spectacular Spider-Man and Ben10: Omniverse. Old fans from a series will not like any of the new character design for an incarnation of a franchise. It's like fans hated TTG just like how parents hated SpongeBob or Ren and Stimpy. Or Star Wars fans hating the new trilogy but the new trilogy has it's own fans. It's basically a cycle that can't end.
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Well said.
Anyone who's complaining that a character in a *children's show* isn't "sexy enough" needs to re-think their life.
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I personally like the new SheRa 😁. The new design looks a lot like korra from the legend of korra animated series, does anyone agree?
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As a matter of fact, I am getting a Korra vibe from the new show.
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Truer words rarely spoken. It's like The Raccoons reboot, where people started bashing the designs when they were revealed.
Good art, BTW.
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There's a new Raccoons show, and I'm just finding out now?!?
*One google search later...*
I'm no fan of flash animation, but what I've seen so far looks better than most of the crap Canada has churned out.
I miss the old school Nelvana animation.
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True. A shame companies like them are out of business because cartoons are now made in-studio by cable networks who will resort to programs like Flash with the excuse being it saves money.
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Nelvana's still around, but they completely went flash. It brings me great shame as a Canadian.
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Fanboys are the most childish things in the world next to politicians. Great work, man!
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Tell me about it, dude. But I love your rendition of the She-Ra reboot. 
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I still think the Thundercats reboot should've been given a chance. Unlike that Roar schlock we're supposed to be getting.
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She Ra reboot huh? Yeeeeaaah from what little I remember of the original, a reboot can only bring nothing but good to the brand.....I mean dear lord that Christmas special was especially cringe inducing....
I would be surprised that they aren't giving He-Man another go after that okayish 2002 show but I have the feeling the whole Aurora used to be Hordak's henchmen plotpoint was too good an idea to pass up. In fact I hope that's how they start the show :3
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I don't think that one will be made anytime soon given the movie is taking its sweet time. It is funny a new She-Ra cartoon got off the ground first.
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Wait hold the fuck up, they are supposedly making a He-Man movie?! Oh fuck me XD
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Yeah. Sony's been trying to make one for years since getting the film rights and everytime they had a director, they just leave. Last one was David Goyer.
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Well, i wouldn't say she looks like a man. She's a bit muscular, sure, but that counts for Korra from the Avatar Series to and that wasn't so bad at all.
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I was never into that or He-Man myself, but hearing details about the story and the artwork/poster for the reboot is GORGEOUS! I never heard about the problems, but even I had, I wouldn't care. This I'm gonna give a legit chance. There's a decent record of good re-emergences these days, I'd love to see how far it goes.
Also, I could be wrong, but from something of the 80s, I think the only "80s" remnant this new bit has is the use of giant shoulder pads XD
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I had a feeling that this year's ComicCon will contain disappointments for many fans of favourite classics.
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Same. I don't care for She-Ra, or He-Man, since I never really watched those shows, but it's painful to watch people bitch and moan over this reboot and how they seem to just wanna do nothing but hate this new reboot because it's different.
Also, I really love your pic. Mama She-Ra looks so proud of her Reboot Daughter!
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Same man. I also didn't watch the original cartoon, mainly due to lack of cable, but even growing older I didn't care about it. I had other fandoms I was apart of that I enjoyed, so the idea that this men who no doubt also didn't really give two shits about the show having these nasty opinions about the reboot is ridiculous.
especially the "destruction of beauty" bit. Yeck.
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In Canada, we had this TV station known as "Teletoon Retro." As the name implies, it showed a bunch of old school cartoons, including SheRa. All I can say about the old show is that if SheRa was indeed the feminine icon I heard she was, she deserved a hell of a lot better than Filmation. That company skimped so much in the animation department, they were a few cut frames away from being Dingo Pictures. I get the impression that the new show will rectify that mistake.
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Here in the states we have a similar channel, although it might be more universal than just the states, called Boomerang. Lot of the times they will play Hanara-Barara cartoons but occasionally they will play things like Space Ghost or She-Ra. And I have to agree, the animation on that show was terrible. The only thing I could vaguely understand anyone liking about the show was She-Ra herself, with girls being attracted to her go get em attitude and magical powers while the boys for less than normal reasons.
Seems to me this newer iteration will focus more on what the girls liked about it than the boys, which is fine and dandy by me.
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