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The “Mary Sue” GuideThis guide is meant to introduce and/or inform you of this threat that is currently attacking storywritting, drawing, Original Character creation (OCs) and fandom/fanfiction in general, not to say Originality itself!
During the course of this guide, you will learn what a Mary Sue is, you’ll identify one when sighted and, most importantly, you will not create one and hopefully you will help others in the subject, so they don’t create Mary Sues too.
I) Mary Sue 101:
-What is a “Mary Sue”?
“Mary Sue” is a title given to characters in fanfiction (and sometimes original, professional work) who are simply perfect: They are beautiful, smart, friendly, always willing to help for nothing in exchange even if they can die, powerful, important in one way or other...you get the point (I will explain on emphasis later). These characters are often created in Roleplaying forums/chatrooms or simply as OCs with a storyline. They usually are related to every canon character of the fanfic they are inserted into, and have major relevancy with every success that happens.
-Why not make a “Mary Sue”?
Although this is totally based on personal opinion, It is not recommendable to create one simply because “Mary Sues” are empty, boring characters with little to no space for development. Think of it: They are just perfect, and people just don’t enjoy reading that, in fact, it gets very boring reading about a perfect character everybody likes with no flaws or enemies whatsoever, I’ll make an example later.
-But why is it wrong if I want to create a good looking (natured) character?
Nothing, in fact, it is excellent that you want to create a nice character and storywrite/comic about it, however, making your character a Mary Sue is totally different: Making your character perfect in every sense of the word is simply stupid: There is no place for development, no place for events, no place for something interesting to happen, and no place for interesting relationships (as every character likes him/her and all the opposing sex cast has a crush on her/him), no place for anything that has not been written so far.
-Does it only apply to female characters?
No, “Mary Sue” is simply a title given to both male and female characters, but it should be noted that most Mary Sues are Females. People often make variations such as “Gary Stu”, but for the sake of understanding this guide, we will refer to both female and male as “Mary Sue”, AND also remember that all the examples will be refering to the Mary Sue to as female unless noted otherwise.
Does the author of the Mary Sue recieve a special title as well?
Yes, they are often called “Suethors” or “9-year olds with no originality”
Now that you got a basic concept of what Mary Sue is, we will advance to the next area:
II) Factors/Features:
Now I will explain a little in depth the factors and features that make a character a Mary Sue, as they are often seen in fanfiction: (For examples, We’ll refer to the Mary Sue as “Diana”)
Beautiful:
The character in question is much more beautiful than any existing canon character. Not only that, but every male in the series in question is also in love with this character, no exceptions. (I personally hate when Suethors do this)
I.E: Diana is put in the Dragon Ball Trilogy universe. Goku, Vegeta, Trunks, Goten, Cell, Piccolo, Krillin, Broly, Frieza, Buu and Shenron are all in love with Diana and her goddess-quality beauty.
Saint:
Mary Sues are often the best person in the universe they are inserted into: they always forgive (given the case that someone actually did something to her), help even if it means a great risk, always give, never ask anything in return, is very understanding and thoughtful, you get the picture.
I.E: A kid in the village is ill, he is suffering from a lethal disease that can only be cured by the mythical herb that resides atop the mountain, guarded by a dragon, it’s familly, a guild of bandits and the U.S. Army. Going there is certain death, but Diana will go nonetheless and, naturally, she befriended all the guardians of the herb, and saved the kid. (and think of it, she probably could have cured the boy with her sweat, after all, that’s what a Mary Sue does)
Problem-solver:
Mary Sues arrive and solve any problem that might be taking place, even if it’s something really private and delicate. This is better explained in the example:
I.E: Two clans have fought with each other for 3500 years in bloody wars. Diana HAPPENS to arrive to that precise place and, after getting to know the royalty of both clans, befriending and getting their eternal trust in less than 15 mins, she starts an exaggerated, clichéd emotional speech that touches everyone’s hearts and solves the 3500-year problem in less than 1 day, then Diana leaves, waving her hand good-bye to the now pacific clans. Also, the whole royal familly fell in love with Diana.
Smart/Talent:
Mary Sues often have an IQ of 350, whooping everyone on everything. On High-school stories and fanfics, the Mary Sue will get the best grades on everything, will be better than everyone and won’t break a sweat while doing so
I.E: Diana is in High-School, her schedule for tomorrow is:
7 Exams, a Triathlon, rehersals on the play and is the drummer/guitarrist/Bassist on a concert. How did Diana do? 7 A+++, She ended on first place 6 minutes ahead of the 2nd place, knows the entire script backwards and gave an encore to the audience.
Potential:
Pretty self-explanatory, Mary Sues always learn a new thing with relative ease, and then master it completely in an hour, owning people that have dedicated their entire lives to the activity.
I.E: Diana has to go against Richard, 4-times national champion on ping-pong, while Diana has never played before. Diana has 7 days to train for the event with a master betrayed and defeated by Richard, in which everyone is impressed of her god-like potential to play the game and accept that she is better than them, when the day arrives, she wins 72 – 0 with relative ease.
Loved by everyone:
In any series the Mary Sue is put, every female character wants to be her friend and every male character is in love with her, this is usually linked with “Beautiful”, “Saint” and “Problem-Solver” as a combination of the three, but is still very lame, as even villians love the Mary Sue sometimes.
I.E: Does it really need one? Okay: She is put in Kingdom Hearts universe, Sora, Donald and Goofy simply fall in love with her, she befriends the Heartless and the Nobodies, Organization XIII have an internal struggle because they all fell in love with Diana, every planet she visits eagerlly awaits for her return...I think I explained myself (Mary Sues break the series apart...)
Unnatural Powers:
This one actually depends on the series in question; Sure, is perfectly fine if your character has superpowers in fanfics like DBZ, but...BLEH I’ll just give you the example.
I.E. Diana is put in Lucky Star universe, and past the part where she becomes everyone’s best friend, she goes off flying, transforms going through a rather unconforting scene, battles the cities’ bullies all by herself, and defeats them with freakin’ magic spells and finally summons fantastic animals and gifts them to each of the girls. (Can you break this awesome serie anymore? A Mary Sue can!)
Connection to a canon character:
This is one of the most common atributes of a Mary Sue: when the author is too lazy to explain where it’s character came from, they just come up with “She’s [Insert canon character] [insert relationship]”
Multi-I.E:
Uzumaki Diana is Naruto’s long lost sister, separated at birth.
Diana is Goku’s twin sister that got accidentally sent to [Generic planet] at birth.
Diana is Sonic the Hedg.... You get the point.
Insanelly Powerful:
Heh...I.E: Diana, fighting at her 50%, is an equal match for SSJ4 Gogeta...Do I need to say more?
Although there are even more factors, I will consider this ones as the most important components of a Mary Sue (Note that they all work toghether at the same time...making it more irritating)
III) Emphasis on the why/why not on “Factors/Features”:
This can be considered by as an “Attack” on the Mary Sue components listed above, I’m better just getting directly to the point, so here I go:
Beautiful:
It’s totally acceptable that you want to make your character beautiful, no one has a problem with that, sure, but there is people that just go too far by making stuff like “Diana is way sexier than any of the pre-existing characters in the whole series”... You can moderate yourself and make her as beautiful, or a bit more beautiful than the most beautiful character, but never go as far as saying that no other character can compare to half you character’s beauty.
Saint:
No one is so damn sainty as to do anything they get asked for, getting nothing in return and never seeming to have a flaw...FLAWS ARE NECESSARY IN CHARACTERS...THEY MAKE THEM INTERESTING!!! People don’t seem to understand that flaws are natural, and that naturallity is necessary for an interesting characters to be developed! Why would you want to read about a character that simply has no development at all? To see it solve everything with ease and no interesting stuff happening? Meh!.
Problem-Solver:
It’s perfectly fine if your character is understanding and thoughtful, but never exaggerate to freakin’ proportions such as the set example...this is usually seen in fanfic AS WELL as original works, which is pretty pathetic. And if you are going to do it, at least explain every detail and come up with something good, instead of saying that “Diana can see things from a “Big Picture” Point of view, so is easy for her to solve things”, don’t give up that stupid excuse for a character and a plot, and use your head to think something original.
Smart/Talent:
Nobody can be beter than everyone at everything, nobody can be good at everything at such a high degree. It’s natural that your character falls in some areas, maybe he is good at maths, but sucks at chemistry, or she is good at History but sucks at P.E.... COME UP WITH SOMETHING!!! It isn’t that hard.
Potential:
Please, this one is obvious, no one can master so many things in such a short period of time...It even sounds like a frustrated attempt at making something from the author. Learning something in a short period of time is already something, and is quite acceptable, but freakin’ mastering it? As in, being able to compete with professionals? Your originality sucks if you can’t come up with something better than this... at least say that your character has a huge stockpile of steroids or something.
Loved by Everyone:
Stupid, simply stupid... “everyone” means EVERYONE! Enemies, those generic emotionless characters...NO! SIMPLY NO! It’s humanly impossible!
Unnatural Powers:
Again, this depends on the series in question.
This one has many faces, one being Roleplaying: Lets say you are RPing in a nice forum, the RP consists on normal people on their lives, something really simple like that. Ok so you are enjoying yourself and suddenlly you see this new user that posted in your page, answering with crap such as “Elizabeth arrives from the skies, gently descending with her angellic wings and her dragon pet. Once she is on the floor, she waves her wings and shakes her tail, waving and saying “Hello!” while some flowers appear at her feet” and other nonsense that really screws the flow of the RP...I get an urge to slap these out-of-bounds people.
Connection to Canon Character:
This one relies entirelly on the author’s level to explain or create a scenario: I’ve seen incredibly nice fanfics describing every detail on how they are involved with a character in the series, but sadly, this is a minority, as most of the people that go with this format just say “[Sue] is [main character]’s long lost sibling” not even explaining what the hell happened...EVEN A 9 YEAR OLD CAN DO THAT!!! Before making a character, make sure you know what you are doing.
Insanelly Powerful:
Stupid, Unoriginal, Boring, Cheap, Fail. I don’t need to explain this, the title says it all, Insanelly powerful = insanelly unoriginal; You can’t develop your character in any way as she is beautiful, smart, talented, the best person in the world, so the best thing you think is making her unmesureably powerful? Something is wrong with you, my friend.
SUMMARY
For those who still don’t get it, Mary Sues are Beautiful, Smart, Understanding, Athletic, Talented and Powerful...or like some others like to sum it all toghether: Perfect.
Making a Perfect character is really stupid, you have nothing to develop, nothing to worry about, nothing to entertain the masses with, nothing to refine and polish until you get a nice outcome and enjoy it as you inspire people to create their own great characters, you have Nothing but a character that can do anything better than anyone... in other words, your character SUCKS.
Mary Sues are an offense to us creators and authors that actually put effort in creating a character that can get attention out of artistic skill.
That’s why Mary Sues are often shot in sight when caught by an author.
And if you still need a final example, covering everything like the difference between a nice OC and an ugly, enemy Mary Sue, I accept the challenge:
IV) Final Comparation/Example
Now, to finalize this, I’ll compare my OC to a Mary Sue in a very brief, basic, and simple way
Name: Nishiki Yurishizu (Not real name)
Nickname: The Red Rattlesnake
Age: 27
Hair: Red
Eyes: Purple
Species: Human (connection to Reptile Cycle)
Personallity: Yurishizu is an unpredictable individual belonging to the Reptile Cycle, Yurishizu is very cunning, sarcastic and mean, having few friends. He supports teamwork in activities if needed, but nonetheless, he will happily backstab someone (like he has done in the past) if he can reach a higher goal with less dificulty by doing so. Yurishizu loves listening to music a lot, but he dislikes and even hates most styles of art in general, such as drawings and stories. Yurishizu’s code of honor is rather unique: He will never betray his few friends or people he shares mutual respect with, but will readily backstab others that don’t fall into the mentioned status if he sees a gain in doing so. Yurishizu is also very protective of his ideology, and attacks other ideologies that confront his own. His fighting style include using weapons such as pipes and utilizing dirty moves. Regardless of this, if the opposition asks Yurishizu to fight fairly, Yurishizu will often do, complete with bowing, respect for opponent and sportsmanship, but even if he displays this kind of respect, this doesn’t mean he won’t use brutal or lethal moves.
He is a total fan of spicy food and sour food, and loves being lazy on Sundays (considering he can at the given time) and enjoys activities such as basketball, spending time with his pet Iguana or with some members of his family and doing rather mad things for his own pleasure. Yurishizu acts like a madman or a lunatic person sometimes when a “Mindsnap” occurs, showing a more brutal but less selfworrying version of himself, and often attacking nearby people he deems hostile (pretty much everyone) and generally shouting off his true intentions or plans. Has a rivalry with Majima Zabieru.
Special Abilities: Being part of the Reptile Cycle, Yurishizu can choose to exhibit reptilic physical features such as scales, a tail, reptile eyes, fangs, etc... He can also secrete neurotoxic poisons of varying levels, the stronger the poison, the harded it is to create it, creating poison tires Yurishizu quickly, although he has learned to create specific poisons for each body part, allowing him to disable opponents easilly, this tires him greatly too.
Weakness: Using Unexpected moves on him; Although he loves mixing his moves and doing improvised, unexpected moves to be sure to hit, Yurishizu’s not used to fight this kind of opponent (Ironic, he is weak against his own style), Yurishizu is also sucky against opponents that attack in quick succesion; He is not that much of an experienced fighter and needs some time to think his next move.
Okay...there’s one of the characters I use for a story I currently write: He has flaws, he has possitive things, he some weaknesses, he’s got that “past experience” thing (A rival, fake name) and has room for development (Or so I have been told). I didn’t go all detail mode because I said it was going to be as simple as possible, now I will proceed with the Mary Sue:
Name: Faery Diana Goldshine
Age: 16, but she is so mature she looks older and has better curves.
Hair: All colors known by humans and some undiscovered (Ultra Rainbow)
Eyes: Her eye color changes to match her mood.
Species: ½ Saiyajin ½ Tsufurujin ½ God ½ Catgirl ½ Angel ½ Desk ½ Mudkip ½ Dragon ½ Demon ½ Alien ½ Pure Essence 1/100000 Human (Mary Sues are Inmune to Maths if you didn’t notice)
“Personallity”: Faery is good at everything, everyone loves her Supermodel champion body and Saint personallity. She can learn new things in 30 seconds and master them to World-Champion level in 1 hour of procrastination. She is the best person in the world, and will always help even if it means scrweing up other’s dreams...as long as she can help that little kid, it’s all justified, right??? She is also very smart! Seriouslly! She had an IQ of 678 when she was born, and instead of being recieved by a doctor to this world, she got out of her mom by herself! When her true love (Mary Sue crap) is in danger, she can’t control herself until he is safe to confort her and stop destroying everything in her path.
Special Abilities: Faery can turn into Legendary Super Saiyajin 9, she has 4 oversized wings on her back; 2 angel and 2 demon, Faery can destroy galaxies and recreate Big Bangs if she sneezes, has extreme psychic powers, she can turn into any animal discovered and undiscovered by human and alien alike, she has all 800000000 Pokemons (all at level 100, naturally), Faery’s hair also provides WI-FI! Her sweat cures Cancer and her saliva heals AIDS... She can do any Jutsu, Spell, Tech, Overdrive, Hack and Guitar Solo known in existance...and she can also play goddess with our lives at will.
Weakness: Excuse me?
That is a Mary Sue, are you sure you want a character that poorly made? I’m sure you don’t.
WATCH OUT: The "Low-Profile!Sue"
As you might have thought, I'm explaining the majority of the cases in extremes...Because in reality THEY ARE that extreme... but there are some case in which the Suethor isn't that (enphasis on "that") dumb and actually make them more sneaky... They aren't that smart, but still smarter than everyone, and can do anything. They don't have that mad potential, but still can learn things to World-Champion level in a day... See? That kind of things. These are harder to detect (albeit slightly) as they require you to read more than the character description (and that is already painful). If you need an example...well, I already said them. Just look at the above sections, and water them down...Voila!
Of course, there's always the "smarter" Suethor (stretching the definition of "smart" a lot) that will have their Mary Sue not explicitly be better than everyone and their homeboys at everything, but still be undefeated at any particular event and dismiss it as "She's a quick learner" or "She got lucky". This obviously still paves the way to a perfect, undefeatable character that will make us good authors want to blow our brains out A.S.A.P..
V) Final Thoughts/Conclussion
All in all, we can say Mary Sue = EPIC FAIL and all it’s synonyms, it’s an excuse for character, and hopefully you understand and know what a Mary Sue is now, or know a little more about them, whatever, just make sure to pass on these Honorable Teachings to generations to come, so they don’t create Mary Sues. Now for some final tips before closing:
-PREVENT USING SELF-INSERT! Using Self-Inserts in fanfic/Original works might mean EPIC FAIL; There are few people that can actually insert themselves and not be Mary Sues/Story ruiners (Akira Toriyama!), and if you are decided to use a Self-insert, don’t make it based COMPLETELLY off you: Just have it have some of your qualities or simply create character based off you, but don’t use it on stories. Now, I was a little extreme over there, you CAN use a Self-Insert, but handle with care , only do so if you know what you are doing.
-Giving your character flaws is good, but there is some people that just try TOO hard and overdo it, creating the Anti-Sue, which is just as annoying as the Mary Sue...Balance is the answer.
-Again, Watch out for the Low-Profile!Sue. These are "low profile" Sues that usually have the above mentioned qualities, albeit in a most sneaky way... Like, for example, they won't be destroying the whole galaxy with their attacks, only 1/4, if you know what I mean.
If you read it all, thank you a lot and I hope it helped you.
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Comments: 875
Melodraca In reply to ??? [2013-01-23 19:12:13 +0000 UTC]
this helped a lot! thanks for writing this! sorry to bug, but do you think my character is a Mary-sue?
this is his bio: [link]
he has won fights, but is outmatched or in need of help a lot. he is young (for dragon standards) and can be foolish, but wise. both of his parents are in fact alive, and he grew up alone, relying on instinct, almost dying after being attacked by a group of rouges.
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SariPhantom101 In reply to ??? [2013-01-19 03:03:35 +0000 UTC]
WOW. I've always wonder if my OC Annabelle Magnuson (link for her picture [link] )would end up being a Mary-Sue for a few reasons:
She's Gunther's cousin from his mom's side of the family
She became part robot at the age of nine, after getting a beat down by her uncaring mother *that doesn't make her part cybertronian like Transformers Animated)
She was once a really dangerous and ruthless criminal known as Sapphire Spade, best known for causing chaos in several cities.
She gets ghost powers at the age of 11, after a group of popular, but cruel and selfish girls bullied her and locked her in a working ghost portal (not at the Fenton Works, but rather at a military base where the army gets to keep a lot of ghost-hunting equipment just in case) while on a field trip
She seems dumb, naive and is a jockette, but she's actually smart, able to hack into computers. She just doesn't want to exploit it and end up being a nerdy nerdette.
She sometimes acts like a total prankster and is a bit of a jerkass, but her heart is purer than Connie D'Amico and Lois Griffin combined.
Despite being 12, she can actually drive a car WITHOUT getting into a car collision, or getting caught by the police. That's because due to her unusual height, people assume that she's in her teens (some just aren't that smart.)
So is she considered a Mary-Sue?
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deejay2co In reply to ??? [2013-01-16 05:06:31 +0000 UTC]
I loved reading this, this will help my writing even more, but I never thought of making a "perfect" character, it just gave me some ideas.
p.s. a good example would be Orihime from Bleach, she may not be insanely powerful, but just about everything else pretty much sums up her character.
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YoruNoTora In reply to deejay2co [2013-02-05 12:53:44 +0000 UTC]
Yes, I also find Orihime very Mary Sue-ish. Out of all the female characters in Bleach, she's the one who is portrayed as this "Little Miss Perfect," when it comes to her appearance, personality, powers, popularity/idol status, well, everything. And I personally think that she is incredibly powerful. She resurrected Menoly, whose body was destroyed to a point where nothing remained with the exception of her legs.
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deejay2co In reply to YoruNoTora [2013-02-05 14:07:23 +0000 UTC]
Oh yeah I forgot about that, but she is such a cry baby. If Ichigo even gets a paper cut, she's yelling "Kurosaki-Chan!!!" I wanted Loly to finish her sooooo bad. It's not like she's ever going to date him.
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YoruNoTora In reply to deejay2co [2013-02-05 19:04:59 +0000 UTC]
You mean "Kurosaki-kun"? Yeah she does say that a lot. But that's not what bothers me the most about her, it's the fact that she's such a Mary Sue. Seriously there's not a thing about her character design that isn't Sue-ish. If an Orihime fan saw this post, they'd probably think I'm just bashing her and not giving her a chance as a character, but the thing is I really don't hate her, even though I don't like her that much either, which is mostly because of her Sue-ness. And I think I have examined her character enough to determine that she's a Mary Sue.
Also I actually like Loly in a way, even if I don't approve of how she treated Orihime. But she wasn't even the first female character to serve as a mouthpiece as to how "enviable" Orihime is. Before her and Menoly there was Hiyori, who stated her envy out loud, and early on there was Kunieda, Orihime's classmate. If I remember right, Kunieda was also shown to envy Orihime and wanting to surpass her, as if she can't be content the way she is.
And whenever Orihime fans bring up anything about her they like to paint as "flaws" in an attempt to make her sound like a relatable character and less like a Sue, they mention things like jealousy, low self-esteem and insecurity. Is that really the best they can come up with? Even Orihime's jealousy is so mild she wouldn't hurt anyone to get her way (because she's too "good" to do something like that), on top of which she admires the other girl, instead of harbouring even the slightest amount of hostility towards her.
As far as her insecurity and low self-esteem are concerned, some of that most likely stems from the lack of loving parents in her childhood, but I don't think that counts, especially considering how most other characters perceive her, whether it's by simply liking, admiring, respecting, envying and even lusting after her - not to mention those two are not exactly negative traits, like selfishness, greed, vanity, laziness, shallowness, malice, and the list goes on.
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xXEmilyunoXx In reply to ??? [2013-01-14 01:20:13 +0000 UTC]
Heheh ya make fun of 9 year olds.. I have to admit I am one but shut up about it
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Dashyburd In reply to ??? [2013-01-06 08:07:29 +0000 UTC]
I need some help. I have an OC that matches the Trouble-Solving feature of a Sue. AND it happened some hours ago. A friend of his(a friend's OC) fought a nemesis(same person's OC) and ended up hurt so my character went to help her and then to fight the nemesis and beat her up bad. The fight didn't last long and my character's personality also kind of matches the "Saint" feature, helping almost everyone in need. Going further into the story, he becomes the guardian of one of seven god-made artifacts. However, he's not the embodiment of perfection and has limitations he knows. Is he a Mary Sue/Marty Stu in any way?
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PeaceKnight In reply to ??? [2013-01-06 03:17:28 +0000 UTC]
I have a "Mary-Sue" who is related to a canon character in a brother-sister way. She's a knight-in-training, but isn't good very at fighting. She also has a more-powerful transformation. I've seen my character been featured as a Mary-Sue on another website.
But do these make her a Mary-Sue? I mean, I know she kinda is, but it's not that she has absolutely no flaws, overly smart or anything, so I just decided to ask. She was one of my first OCs, so I guess I didn't really do a great job on her.
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Bluepinixy In reply to ??? [2012-12-31 22:03:37 +0000 UTC]
This is amazing, e_e everytime I see a Mary Sue fanfiction I always want to facepalm myself so freaking hard.
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PJatOluv [2012-12-29 17:12:08 +0000 UTC]
Sometimes I like to make Mary-Sue characters just to make people mad.
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Target21 In reply to ??? [2012-12-13 19:11:09 +0000 UTC]
Like a Kung fu master will say to his apprentice,
"How can you have wisdom if your cup is full?!"
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PredQueen In reply to ??? [2012-12-07 12:31:28 +0000 UTC]
I'm not the only one who worries if they make sues right?
I don't even touch fan-characters but the suspicion is always there.
Brooding.
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TalonDragon000 In reply to ??? [2012-12-06 04:16:32 +0000 UTC]
you've been featured on my mary sue project! check it out [link]
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LittleNudibranch In reply to ??? [2012-11-26 01:24:00 +0000 UTC]
This guide is pretty good; covers a lot of ground. Might how this to one of my role playing friends; she wants to evade making any more borderline sues.
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Aerodil In reply to ??? [2012-11-21 09:12:19 +0000 UTC]
Hmm, what if your characters (from a book you wrote, not an Oc in a fandom) you created have a few of these traits? Does that make them an MS? What if they share similar traits with other characters in the same book? I am just getting oppinions because I'm a novice writer and I want my characters to be the best they can be (they live in a fantasy world I created myself).
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crashmypartyhard In reply to ??? [2012-11-10 01:46:35 +0000 UTC]
cause i do fanfictions when i'm bored and everything, i'm totally adding this to my favorites. and sending a link to like everyone i know on here who writes. thanks for the help!
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thecartoongeek In reply to ??? [2012-11-08 23:13:10 +0000 UTC]
what if my character has all those superhuman powers you spoke of(insanely powerful),yet he chooses not to use them?would that still make him a mary-sue hack?
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Kallios In reply to ??? [2012-11-05 23:45:49 +0000 UTC]
Pretty good, but you forgot the "warrior" and "rebellious princes" categories
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YumekuiCharlotte In reply to ??? [2012-11-04 05:28:37 +0000 UTC]
Thanks for posting this. It's very good and accurate. I can easily understand what you're implying.
If it's too much to ask, can you please review my OC if you have the time?
Name: Seve
Gender: Female
Species: Human
Age: 14
Hair: Brown
Eyes: Blue
Personality: She is tomboyish and aggressive as well as impatient and hard-headed. She is somewhat competitive and loves a challenge. Cares for her friends and family deeply and would risk her life to save them. Has difficulty trusting people and easily distrusts those who've betrayed her. She hates being called a kid and easily snaps at the mention of it. She is also protective of her brother.
Special Abilities: She is quite smart and observant and can take care of herself in a fight. She is somewhat adept in using pole weapons and is athletic.
Weakness: She only has little knowledge of magic and is not skilled in using long ranged or throwing weapons (like arrows or a shuriken). Her short temper can make her reckless in a fight. Despite her usual spars, she is not experienced in real combat and has a hard time reading any new opponent's moves.
So, yeah please tell me if my OC's a Mary-sue, cause to be frank, i have absolutely NO IDEA if she is one or not D:
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HoneyDucess In reply to ??? [2012-10-31 09:55:03 +0000 UTC]
First of all; this is a very good explanation of what a Mary Sue is, and I like the fact that you actually put examples in there, because most of these I've come across has no examples, and I just find it easier to understand if it's shown to me instead of told to me, if you understand.
Second; would you mind telling me whether my character Souri is a Mary Sue? If not, ignore the rest, please.
Souri.
Always smiling, Souri appears to be a carefree, happy-go-lucky kind of girl, and you'd think she is the happiest of the children at the circus. However, that is not the case. Upon a closer inspection, you will soon realize that her smile is strained; that she's not actually happy. She is always keeping the act up, and by now, she has forgotten how to express any other emotion than false happiness.
Souri never speaks, and she has a good reason not to; her tongue was cut out when she was brought to the circus where she now works as a mime, to keep her quiet. Since then, Souri can only communicate through either writing what she wants said down, or try to act it out. She prefers writing, though, because acting it out has resulted in misunderstandings.
A boy in the circus, Momo, is where Souri directs her affection, although he is more of an older brother than a love interest at present. Her happiest thought is that, once they manage to leave the circus, Momo will take her flying (he is a sort of "elf", in lack of a better word, who can take the shape of an animal for short periods of time, and he'll always have certain features of that animal. This is fairly normal in their world.) That is one of the things that help her to carry on smiling through everything.
As a child, before she was kidnapped, Souri was a spoiled brat, and would cry over pretty much everything. She was concidered pretty, but that was often overlooked because of how she acted. On a walk with her nanny, Souri wandered off on her own, and got taken by the ringleader Vida. At the time, she was seven years old. In present time, she is fourteen, going on fifteen.
Souri's hair is a sandy blonde, kept in a multitude of braids at all times, and decorated with silver bells. Her costume is a white dress that reaches to her knees, and is decorated with several black buttons. In fact, if you were to look (not that she'd let you) you'd see that she, in fact, has buttons on her bloomers as well.
I don't think she's a Mary Sue, but I'm not very good at judging my own characters, and I can't seem to understand how the litmus test works.... Oh, and I want to point out that every character in the story has strange names, so her name shouldn't give her Mary Sue-points.
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myelinque In reply to ??? [2012-10-24 18:42:13 +0000 UTC]
''she has all 800000000 Pokemons'' ...Damn I'm so jealous of her!
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tinokika In reply to ??? [2012-10-12 11:21:12 +0000 UTC]
I created many Mary sues in pasts...
Now I want to vomit when I see them
But really, right now, I am scared of putting my new OCs here... well because.
Maybe after I will tweak them?
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Speckeltail In reply to ??? [2012-09-20 03:51:33 +0000 UTC]
This. THIS. This is amazing. I like how you came up with examples instead of leaving us out in the cold. going in my favs for sure!
Could you review my OC for me? Feel free to click the X button if you don't want to.
Name: Alex Ventus
Species: Human
Age: 18-19
Zodiac Sign: Aries, he's always rushing into situations without preparation. And quotes Iron Man sometimes- "I have a plan. Attack!'
Ethnicity: Russian-Finnish. His Finnish father fell for a strong-willed Russian woman.
Brief Backstory: Two years later, Zoey, his sister was born, and he was born three years after. His mother died in his childbirth. His dad wasn't the best dad, being hung up over his wife's death, and Zoey ended up caring for him mostly. When he was twelve and she fifteen, their father died. Instead of going ot an orphanage, they hooked up with Ember (um... another OC. if you want to review her, just say) who acted as their surrogate mother. It was she who introduced young Alex to daggers, and taught him to use them. He became too cocky in his own skills and ended up challenging someone with far more experience than he had. Shenanigans follow, ect. He and his new 'rival' continue to have a strong (read- beating each other up) 'relationship' up until present day.
Physical: He has brown hair and green eyes. Multiple stab and slash scars. He is nimble and incredibly fast. However, had become anorexic from being bullied at school. Has relative skill with daggers, having studied using and caring for them for six years. Able to make hairpin turns and leap far with enough of a running start. Medium endurance and high pain threshold. To make up for all of that, he is not strong at all and is relatively helpless when his legs are incapitated.
Personality: Sensitive, although he does not show it all that much. Easy to antagonize and can say stupid things sometimes. He tends to overlook the planning part of things in favor of rushing in. Relatively creative and is a bit of an adrenaline junkie.
Skills: Daggers, medium distance sprints, can play guitar and flute on a beginners level.
Whew! Hope that wasn't too long of a description!
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WearyWere In reply to ??? [2012-09-19 02:07:26 +0000 UTC]
Wow! Thanks so much for putting this up ~ now I can perfect my Mary Sues! LOL
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Bossiegirl1500 In reply to ??? [2012-09-06 21:13:23 +0000 UTC]
So, would it be wrong to have an angel/saint character?
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WittleBagel In reply to ??? [2012-08-21 06:44:28 +0000 UTC]
my character is mary sue D: nooooooooooooooooooooo i made it when i was eleven so *bonk a billion times to the head*ok not really it has flaws but is have an ability like for example the characters power is based off emotions so if the person is very mad her/his power will be strong and then if there happy or whatever its nuetral ?idk i still need help developing a good character and i like yours so plz answer back sometime.another thing is my character is afriad of coconuts wanna know why ?because she saw someone get a coconut up his butt and it scared her and then the coconut became a monster and ran after her later the coconut that went up the boy's butt had to go to fruit conselling
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MisterEnigma58 In reply to ??? [2012-08-20 06:45:35 +0000 UTC]
I'm glad someone wrote a guide calling out the "low-profile" ones.
Personally, I think a good way to prevent that is to make sure your character fails at something important at some point (losing a fight is an easy one). Of course, you don't want them failing at everything - that just makes for a really depressing story at best, and an Anti-Sue at worst - but it's a good way to prove s/he isn't perfect.
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conflagaration In reply to MisterEnigma58 [2012-10-13 03:53:38 +0000 UTC]
What exactly are Anti-Sues?
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MisterEnigma58 In reply to conflagaration [2012-10-19 19:46:05 +0000 UTC]
TV Tropes describes them as "Mary-Sues disguised as mundane". I describe them as "what happens when Suethors think loading a character with flaws will silence their critics".
Basically, if most other characters and/or the plot bend over backwards to keep a character happy, but the author clearly went out of his/her way to make that character look as imperfect as possible, that character is an Anti-Sue. Bella Swan is a textbook example.
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conflagaration In reply to MisterEnigma58 [2012-11-01 21:01:34 +0000 UTC]
That makes sense. Thank you!
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AmayaChanTheKitten In reply to ??? [2012-08-07 17:22:52 +0000 UTC]
I must say, this Diana is truly amazing, maybe she'll do my summer homework for me? But anyways, that was a really helpful guide. Someone should write a story with a Mary Sue that is hated by all the other characters...
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MisterEnigma58 In reply to AmayaChanTheKitten [2012-08-20 06:46:33 +0000 UTC]
You'd be surprised by the number of stories that actually do that.
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Muranette In reply to ??? [2012-08-05 22:21:27 +0000 UTC]
im not really sure if my oc's a mary sue or not. my friends say she is but i have taken many tests and read this and i say she isn't. BE PREPARED TO READ A LOT. or you can just skim over
Name: Chika Kawazaki
Nickname: CC (what she always goes by)
Age: depends on the fanfic (there are many), but always between 13-16
Sex: Female
Species: Human (Japanese)
Birthday: June 14
Hair: Brown
Eyes: Purple
Height: 5'3" (160 cm)
Weight: 120 Lbs
Talents: OK at singing, plays clarinet and piano
Beauty: CC's average. some guys like her, some don't. she's pretty, but not over the top Goddess sexy. she goes by 'don't judge a book by its cover' and tells people if they like only her looks, they can forget trying to get with her.
Saint: CC's definately not a saint. yes, she will help people, fight for them and stuff, but usually only for something in return. she doesn't get along with just anyone.
Problem Solver: she doesn't solve everything. only a few things at times. she'll try almost all the time, but fail half the time. besides, she has problems of her own that she can't even solve (arachnophobe, can't swim, lacks depth perception...)
Smart/Talented: she's not Einstein. She has a B average in school. as for talented, she's only really good at sword fighting, playing the clarinet and piano, and stupid things like playing video games XD
Potential: she works hard for what she's good at. though, no matter how hard she works, she can't shoot a bow and arrow or get over her fear of spiders she's been practicing sword fighting and martial arts since she was 8, and musice since she was 10
Loved by everyone: Pff, hell no!!! honestly, when people first see her, they think she's a kind, innocent girl. when they get to know her, she can be a real jerk. but if you get passed that, you can actually find good things in her and be good friends with her
Unnatural Powers: her powers go with her original fandom, Kingdom Hearts. She's half of one of the 7 princesses of heart, though she didn't know this until she was 14. why half of one, you ask? you'll find that out later her heart is half full of pure light, but the other half is pure darkness. and you may also be thinking she's a princess? eww... but she's the exact opposite. she hates preps, sluts, bitches, spoiled brats, whatever you want to call them. she hates the princessy type and swears never to become that.
Connection to a cannon character: yes, she's Kairi's twin sister. they were separated at the age of 4 when their world was being destroyed by darkness, and being that young, they didn't remember each other or their 'birth world' and with them being twins, yes, this means kairi is the other half of the princess (even though her personality is all princess) the power their pure light only awakens when they're together, which is rarely since CC can't stand Kairi. honestly, they're opposites. there's a crap load more behind them, but i wont' bore you with details
Insanely Powerful: not insanely. she's good at fighting, but does fall occasionally.
theres a lot more about CC, but i'd rather not make this pages long, so if you do need to know anything else about her to determine if she's a MS or not, just note me and i'll tell you there
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Mickey-the-Luxray In reply to Muranette [2013-01-03 02:02:15 +0000 UTC]
I'd go ahead and say you have a pretty balanced character. You give good reasons for every skill and relationship she has, and the story behind her is interesting and her personality is just flawed enough to allow for development, but not so flawed as to make her seem like a beacon of depression, or an Anti-Sue.
Your friends are wrong, they don't know how to judge Sues from slightly cliche'd characters (and come on, who DOESN'T have a cliche' or two within their character?) and they need to learn about Sues and what makes them up.
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penguin2116 In reply to ??? [2012-08-04 01:07:07 +0000 UTC]
This is so helpful, thank you! I really like your oc too, he seems very interesting.
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Maka-Chan123 In reply to ??? [2012-08-01 13:42:02 +0000 UTC]
*Shudders* Mary Sues one of the most disgusting creatures ever. but now i feel like making a story about a girl whoes mom is a mary sue and hates her moms guts because she wants her to be like her mom
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beastiessister In reply to ??? [2012-07-31 15:39:10 +0000 UTC]
Can you please review my OC when you get the chance?
Name: Danielle Barrytime Born in: Born in England but now lives in Tokyo. (Which causes her to be bullied allot, her antisocial nature doesn't help things)
Age: 15
Sex: Female
Birthday: 20th January
Bloodtype: AB
Hair colour: Auburn
Eye colour: Hazel (green/brown)
Height: average
Weight: slim
sign: aquarius
birthstone: amythst
Talents: Amazing singer, can play the guitar.
Good points of personality: stubborn, loyal, good at giving advice, justice driven, good at giving affection, funny and playfull.
Bad points of personality: doesn't like to accept help, impulsive, impatient, terrible at directions and has a real knack for getting lost, hated by all animals exccept cats (For comedy since cats are the only animals she is scared of) She's slightly claustrophobic but not too bad. She lacks backbone when it comes to standing up for herself, but if she see's someone being bullied or picked on she always gets involved.
She lacks any coordination or skill when it comes to fighting, but if somone is being hurt her rage, willpower and sheer determination means she just wont stay down until the bully has run for the hills, she's not afraid to play dirty if it comes down to it either. She's considerate and very loyal and protective towards people she cares about, but she has very little trust and it's easily broken because of her past. She gives good advice but people get annoyed with her allot because she never seems to follow her own advice and she contradicts herself allot. She also has a REALLy short attention span and her friends worry about her because she doesn't take school work or tests very seriously.
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snufflenuffle In reply to beastiessister [2012-09-07 06:52:54 +0000 UTC]
Since you mentioned that your OC has several bad points of personality, then it obviously isn't a Mary Sue Besides,having ONE Mary Sue in a story doesn't necessarily mean that the story is a bad one, unless the main character is a Mary Sue. An example of a decent story with ONE Mary Sue inside is Dear Dumb Diary ( the Mary Sue being Angeline) . An example of a really horrible story in which practically every single one of the characters are Mary Sues is Canterwood Crest (I seriously hate this book. The characters in the book, as well as the author, deserve to be thrown into a volcano . 'Nuff said)
Anyways, I think what matters the most is that the story plot is logical. Good luck with your OC :3
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beastiessister In reply to snufflenuffle [2012-09-09 10:22:12 +0000 UTC]
Thank you for replying
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Yukyona-G-R In reply to ??? [2012-07-30 22:31:05 +0000 UTC]
owww i meet a person who have a history full of insane powerful, inmortal, loved and beautiful characters but he dont want to read this or make the test... i just try to help
I stil working in my OCs and this is very useful for me thank you!!!
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TotalDramaFan16 [2012-07-26 19:14:19 +0000 UTC]
Does being the child of a canon character count as a Mary Sue trait?
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Mickey-the-Luxray In reply to TotalDramaFan16 [2013-01-03 02:03:46 +0000 UTC]
It's cliche'd, but technically, no.
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TotalDramaFan16 In reply to Mickey-the-Luxray [2013-01-03 02:07:52 +0000 UTC]
oh, okay
thanks
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Tinkerbell0522 In reply to ??? [2012-07-26 07:35:10 +0000 UTC]
I did not know what a Mary Sue was until I read this. I was afraid my OC was a Mary Sue.When I think about her look personality age powers and other things. At first she did seem like it but when I read further it turns out she is not thankfully. She is not perfect she is me in a sense. I still need to grow up and improve and as I do she does to Plus she is not to good with her powers since she blow up one of her houses before by mistake.lol Thank you for clearing up what a Mary sue is I appreciated it.
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unycorn In reply to ??? [2012-07-19 05:11:09 +0000 UTC]
can you review my oc ?
Name: Mia
age: 12 going to be 13 ( she is a kid in heart even though shes going to be 13 )
hair: dark brown but looks like black so its black-brown
eyes: brown
Species: shes a magical bunny so she can change human then bunny as a disguise
personality: well shes sweet and caring but if you mess with her little brother your dead meat xD shes sometimes lazy and she uses sarcasm alot , when she gets offended or got the blame her voice sqeauks like if shes says " ME!" her voice sqeauk, shes very stubborn and doesnt like girly girl things (that much)
special abilities: well she can rainbow power, jumps high and can fly
weakness: cant run nor faster her brother can but not her,she cant dogde fast moves or kick
plot: well she ran away from her home since she was forced to now her and her brother tries her best to go back home but now she only has a chance to need help even though she doesnt want help(shes very stubborn ) she got adotabed since she was disguise as a bunny her owner she praticaly hates her,now changes might happen to her life and help she needs if she wants her family together
i dont know if its okay i hope it is
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ellogovna811 In reply to ??? [2012-07-18 09:10:17 +0000 UTC]
I really hope my oc isn't a Mary-Sue
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