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This was a meme idea I had been mulling over for a very long time, I guess you could say it's kind of natural for me to want to see certain characters catch a break for once but I had so many ideas I was a tad overwhelmed with who I should use. It took some time, but I think I've come up with a decent line-up of characters. I judged them for this list either for getting bad treatment/writing in their respective canon, just being overall unlucky and having everything just end up bad for them, and/or even a little influence from their fanbases.And for anyone who might be asking, I'm unsure if whether or not I'll do the opposite meme for the top 10 characters that deserve worse. It's a topic I feel a little uncomfortable going into, and I'm not the type of person to wish worse on other people like that, and it's a little vague to me.
Anyway, here we go with the meme:
10. Leopold "Butters" Stotch and Pip Pirrup (South Park) - A little bit of cheating since it's two characters in one slot, but I feel they both can get pretty bad treatment at times and they both have a similar optimistic attitude. Butters gets taken advantage of quite a lot due to his kindness and naivety, plus his parents treat him pretty horribly by grounding him constantly. Pip is always picked on by everyone, and was even killed off later on in the series. I probably would've included Kenny, but I didn't want to crowd this too much, so you can say he's an honorable mention.
9. Squidward Tentacles (Spongebob Squarepants) - It's...rather self-explanatory given the pretty harsh treatment he gets in some of the more recent episodes. He may be a snobbish, cynical jerk at times, but sometimes his bad treatment can go way too far and even feel undeserved. The main reason he's a bit more low though is since I'm not that big into Spongebob that much, but I do feel rather bad for Squidward, and from what I hear, Spongebob is gradually picking up the pace with Stephen Hillenburg coming back on the show, so there's room for improvement.
8. Courtney (Total Drama) - I know this will be a very controversial choice, since I know many people will say otherwise about Courtney deserving better, but this is mostly since I'm just overall disappointed with how TD has derailed most of the original cast to such a disgusting degree, and Courtney has got this treatment among one of the worst. In the first season, Courtney was admittedly rather snobby, but she could be pretty compassionate too. Though that's long since changed since the first season ended, she just got derailed into a straight-up villain for the most part, acting as if she never had any redeeming qualities. And whenever Courtney seems to show improvement and shows she can care (in the first half of World Tour and for a good chunk of All-Stars), the writers suddenly decide to make things worse for her by literally making her more nasty and have the narrative go completely against her.
This is Squidward levels of bad, and she deserves better writing than this. I know you could argue someone like Gwen deserves better, and while she could really use better writing too, Gwen usually gets to have a pretty happy ending with friends who still care about her. Courtney has none of that, her only possible ally/friend is Bridgette, but we haven't seen them interact for the longest time, so how can we know how valid their possible friendship is?
7. Sakura Haruno (Naruto) - Another possible controversial choice, as Sakura is kind of a basebreaker in the Naruto fanbase. Sakura is also pretty similar to Courtney, as neither character is considered the nicest. Yes, she can be pretty bitchy at times and I do believe her feelings for Sasuke are rather shallow (since everyone else loved him too for being considered cool and mysterious), but I felt she was gradually growing up and starting to improve with time. She felt like a legitimately flawed character, even acknowledging her faults at times, including the frequent claim about her being 'useless'. Sakura, alongside Rock Lee, was also considered to be a representation of human weakness, she didn't have any special abilities of her own, and she came from a rather average family life so she wouldn't be able to have the same experiences as her teammates had. In Shippuden, she held a lot of promise and was a little more mature and stronger than in part 1. She even seemed like she was actually moving on from Sasuke. But I can't stand what they did with her character later on, especially in the epilogue. All that development she had felt absolutely wasted, and I seriously question why she still pines for Sasuke. All this relationship did was bring out the worst in her.
And then there's Kishimoto and even Studio Pierrot who feel the need to glorify and worship the character of Hinata, while Sakura gets shafted for not being as nice and pretty as Hinata, even being said that she would be considered a 'terrible woman' if she were to move on from Sasuke. ...You serious?
6. Ezekiel (Total Drama) - Oddly enough, I wouldn't consider Ezekiel to be one of my favorite TD characters, but I perfectly sympathize with his fans on what they did to this character. He also got horrid derailment in TDWT by being so desperate to stay in the season that he basically turned into a Gollum parody. I'm sorry, but that is sad.
5. Bushroot (Darkwing Duck) - I guess you could tell Bushroot would've been here on my list for rather obvious reasons, but he's just that kind of character you want to hug (or at least, I want to.
4. Crona (Soul Eater) - Crona's here basically for a very similar reason as Bushroot, due to their similar personalities, but Crona was much more asocial on an unhealthy level and had a hard time for his/her entire life because of the upbringing of Medusa. While Crona does have a more happy ending in the anime, the manga's a completely different story.
3. Team Guy (Naruto) - A very underrated team in my personal opinion. I even see them as almost being similar to Team 7 in a lot of ways. But I really do feel the characters do deserve more appreciation/treatment. Rock Lee is a very likable character, Neji had some great development, Might Guy is entertaining and a great foil for Kakashi, and Tenten has a lot of potential to be a good character. But still, I hate how they dealt with...certain things, such as killing off Neji solely to be a cupid for Naruto and Hinata. And poor Guy as well in the epilogue...
2. Meg Griffin (Family Guy) - I wouldn't call myself a fan of Family Guy by any stretch anymore, and Meg's treatment certainly didn't help. In the earlier seasons, Meg was actually treated with more respect, like a person. But I don't know what happened now for everyone to make her the punching bag of the show nowadays. I really don't get it, what did she do exactly to deserve it? It sure doesn't make me laugh.
1. Dib (Invader Zim) - Okay, this is a character I always felt bad for. This kid is clearly going out of his way to try to save the world from an alien invasion, but not only does nobody seem to care, he constantly gets the short end of the stick in general. Pretty much everyone seems to hate his guts. I get that it's meant to imply Dib was sort of the 'boy who cried wolf' type of character, obsessed with the paranormal, and because of his false alarms, nobody will believe him or care what he has to say. And I do get it's because Zim is the main character, and from Zim's perspective, Dib is the antagonist because he wants to expose him as an alien. What's interesting about this is how interchangeable their roles are, as they both could be simultaneously the hero and the villain based on their roles and morality, and they both have similar issues of being frowned upon by their respective species. They're more similar than we give them credit for despite how much they clash. But man, I just want to hug Dib so much, as a way to show I care. I even felt like I could identify with Dib when I first got into the show because I felt like I was in a similar situation, being picked on by my peers in middle school.
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Energywitch [2017-12-04 08:40:26 +0000 UTC]
I definitely agree with you regarding Dib (He's likable to me and doesn't look a bit a annoying. I only watched the show just to see him. Though Zim has his funny moments.), Bushroot (He's a sweetheart and I don't blame him, nobody likes to be pushed around especially by Bullies) and Courtney (She doesn't act snobby to me compared to some other mean girls. She's only an overachiever yet she deserves better).
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Kitty-McGeeky97 In reply to Energywitch [2017-12-04 13:56:46 +0000 UTC]
Glad to know you agree on all these.
Dib was a character I related to on an overly-personal level when I was younger, to the point I might've had a crush on him. Watching him constantly suffer even when he never deserved it was hard to watch admittedly.
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KimmyUnicorn [2017-05-26 01:32:56 +0000 UTC]
I totally agree with you on Meg. Every time when I watch the newer seasons I feel bad for her. Her family doesn't give her respect and the school she goes to doesn't help either. I don't think it's funny when they push her around and never talk to her about how she feels. I really want Family Guy to end. Not that I hate it or anything it's just I don't really like the characters development today. I don't like how Peter treats her, Peter is just plain jerk to her and that has been ongoing with their daughter/father relationship since day one of that show. I rarely see him treat her right nowadays. I would be her friend I was ever in that show xD Meg needs support
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dark-kunoichi92 In reply to ??? [2017-04-28 21:41:05 +0000 UTC]
I also feel like Sakura deserves better, but not for the reasons you stated.
Personally, I feel like she deserves better from Studio Pierrot the most, because they're the ones who flanderized her personality 98% of the time in the anime, and they didn't even bother to animate Sakura Hiden (even though that novel is CLEARLY meant to take place before Konoha Hiden). Though, Kishimoto didn't really help either, because Naruto Gaiden was pretty much a giant "Fuck you" to SasuSaku's relationship.
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Kitty-McGeeky97 In reply to dark-kunoichi92 [2017-04-28 22:51:48 +0000 UTC]
Welp, I would say SP as well since I know how biased they are, especially with how they exaggerated her behavior for 'the lolz', and I'd bring up how they tend to draw her looking slightly off so frequently.
Though I guess it isn't just Sakura who's got these issues...they turned Pein into a freaking donkey in a screenshot.
sns4life.tumblr.com/post/15979…
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dark-kunoichi92 In reply to Kitty-McGeeky97 [2017-04-29 00:12:43 +0000 UTC]
UGH!!! I hated that episode! Naruto vs. Pain was one of my favorite battles in the manga, and the anime practically butchered it.
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Kitty-McGeeky97 In reply to dark-kunoichi92 [2017-04-29 02:04:23 +0000 UTC]
I think it's such a shame how SP is perfectly capable of having good animation, yet they spend most of it desperately making Hinata look like a goddess so everything else looks ugly by comparison.
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dark-kunoichi92 In reply to Kitty-McGeeky97 [2017-04-29 02:16:44 +0000 UTC]
I don't know. They made Hinata look like a stalker and a sex object half the time.
Though, I get what you're saying. They should really put effort into ALL of Kishimoto's characters, and not waste all the budget on one character alone.
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Kitty-McGeeky97 In reply to dark-kunoichi92 [2017-04-29 02:24:21 +0000 UTC]
I sort of meant in terms of how she looked physically, all that attention to detail to make her look like the most beautiful person ever which comes off as very unfair to the rest (also counts alongside sex object since they intend to make her overly attractive in outfits that don't suit her in the first place).
I also think SP doesn't really seem aware of how they're portraying Hinata's behavior, thinking her stalking is so cute because it's 'in the name of love' for her Naruto-kun. When in reality, they could've taken the development and characters seriously to seem respectful; why not have Hinata and Naruto actually interact on equal terms?
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dark-kunoichi92 In reply to Kitty-McGeeky97 [2017-04-29 02:40:36 +0000 UTC]
I know, but the thing that annoys me is that Hinata never really stalked Naruto in the manga. The two times she watched him from afar in Part 1 were all because she was way too shy to approach him, but the anime had her doing that constantly and made it into a stalking habit.
I also didn't like how the anime turned her fainting into a running gag, because (just like the watching from afar) she only did that 2 times in the entire manga. It just makes her seem so ditzy, I really don't like that!
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Kitty-McGeeky97 In reply to dark-kunoichi92 [2017-04-29 03:14:45 +0000 UTC]
I wonder if it has anything to do with how her character archetype is; being a shy, timid girl with unrequited feelings is such a common anime trope many people go gaga over that they ran the gag dry. Like I said, they mainly think it's cute to see a girl act submissive about her crush but I feel it just makes Hinata look rather obsessive and weaker than she should be. It isn't funny, it's sad.
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dark-kunoichi92 In reply to Kitty-McGeeky97 [2017-04-29 03:21:20 +0000 UTC]
Are you referring to anime Hinata or manga Hinata? Because the manga version of Hinata isn't submissive at all.
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Kitty-McGeeky97 In reply to dark-kunoichi92 [2017-04-29 03:24:12 +0000 UTC]
I'm talking about the anime of course. I'm saying how SP portrays her as a constantly fainting stalker in an attempt to make her cuter makes her look bad.
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dark-kunoichi92 In reply to Kitty-McGeeky97 [2017-04-29 03:28:17 +0000 UTC]
Oh. Well in that case, I agree with you wholeheartedly.
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SilverTheGamer101 In reply to ??? [2016-12-22 18:56:34 +0000 UTC]
I Agree With Squidward, Courtney, Ezekiel And Dib. Most Of The Others I've Never Seen Or Heard Of =/
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Sonic2125 In reply to ??? [2016-09-12 04:55:16 +0000 UTC]
I don't get how Courtney becoming a villain makes her a victim and I just can't sympathise with her after what she's done in TDA and TDWT. I wouldn't say she was 'Good' in the first half of TDWT, for one she still has none of the likable character traits from TDI and was just annoying and bossy
Another reason I find it hard to see her as a victim she just she got no karma for her bad doings in Action and TDWT and is even put on the heroes team in All-stars. The reason why I feel Gwen is more of a victim than Courtney is cause while, like I said, Courtney dodges karma for the bad things she'd done Gwen is unfairly punished like the Grips accusing her of throwing the game with Trent, is completely demonised and hated on in the TDA aftermaths for dumping Trent (I especially despised Bridgette for doing so) even though he is more in the wrong, while he is being painted as a completely innocent victim (Okay, I'm just gonna state for the record that I'm not being biased nor am I putting her on the pedestal, I'm just stating what's on screen) And in the love triangle fiasco when all three are in the wrong Gwen is the only one who gets punished and in All-stars everyone's all "Gwen stole Courtney's boyfriend" while no one seems to mention Duncan who cheated on Courtney, no only Gwen is hated on for the whole thing. She never seems to get a break from the writer nor fans. Don't get me wrong, I wish this portrayal of Gwen would just end already
And weirdly people feel sorry for her for having a terrible boyfriend (Duncan) completely separate to the cheating thing. Okay minus the cheating part, how was Duncan a terrible boyfriend towards Courtney during their relationship? If anything Courtney was the terrible one towards Duncan, like ditching him while he is injured for second without a second thought or remorse and becoming hateful towards him for no good reason and physically abusing him a lot of the time. As for the cheating portion I don't feel sorry for Courtney, because I was already against her for what she did in TDA and towards Duncan in their relationship. And being cheated on of course does not excuse her bad doings afterwards. While the fans hate on Duncan for cheating on Courtney, they overlook the fact that she was no better in the relationship. And when I point that out people respond by saying "Well at least she didn't cheat on him" and the fans act like being cheated on excuses Courtney for everything she does before and after.
Courtney is pretty much the princess Luna (What Voice of reason's overrated statement here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fkuLe… sums up how the fandom treats Courtney) She gets way too much love and admiration for things she doesn't do and put on the pedestal more than any other character on the show. They bash and attack any other character that gets derailed or (and) does something bad and when that happens to Courtney they get protective with her.
As for others on this list
- I've only seen a bit of Bushroot's introduction episode, and yeah it is pretty tragic, finding a way to help others only to be ridiculed and go down a dark path
- Butters, Squidward and Meg YES!
- Don't care for Team Guy. Lee and Guy are hard to take seriously most of the time and Neji & TenTen never cared for
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Kitty-McGeeky97 In reply to Sonic2125 [2016-09-12 05:29:18 +0000 UTC]
You sure you aren't just taking Courtney a bit too seriously...? The narrative made it clear throughout most of the series that she's supposed to be unsympathetic (why else would most of the characters dislike her and how ultimately she never gets her way?), but a lot of people like her anyway because she's actually interesting and entertaining. She has a personality, a goal, she's shown to play the game relatively well, and is a force to be reckoned with. And heck, she's shown to have her moments of rationality and compassion (a good amount of the first season, only one showing concern for Owen and Izzy after being hit by the plane, going out of her way to make a remedy for Gwen's sunburn) which some fans want to expand on to make her more compelling. But it always seems the writers refuse to give her any form of positive development which ends up getting retconned in the most contrived ways. The reason people bring up Gwen and Duncan in this is that they are meant to be the more sympathetic ones in comparison, yet they ultimately got what they wanted in the end (each other) despite the trouble they caused/went through. I'm not saying Courtney is innocent, but you do have to admit that it is low for Duncan to cheat behind Courtney's back despite saying he's straight with people in the first season and Gwen denying her part in the conflict.
Among the reasons Bushroot is one of my favorite characters...
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Sonic2125 In reply to Kitty-McGeeky97 [2017-03-13 10:13:55 +0000 UTC]
"You sure you aren't just taking Courtney a bit too seriously...? The narrative made it clear throughout most of the series that she's supposed to be unsympathetic "
When you say that it confuses me. It almost sounds like "Because she's meant to be unlikable so that's makes you wrong to disliking her". Also It's not like she started out like that, in season 1 she was a more layered and interesting character who is capable of developing, but after Island she derailed into a one-dimensional b*tch. There are several characters I've once liked I later disliked due to them developing in a bad way (Eg. Rainbow Dash and Finn the Human) and that's the case for Courtney
AND FOR ONE, she never got comeuppance nor did she never show remorse for her bad doings in TDA and she continues to be a bossy one dimensional b*tch in TDWT and never has any of the redeeming like in TDI hence why she still bothers me in that season
"She has a personality" to that I say, what personality? AS I said, she remains a one dimensional b*tch throughout TDWT
"a goal" yeah, doesn't mean I'm going to support it. Like Supporting Trump's goal or someone's evil plan to destroy the world. And she does evil sh*t to get to these SELFISH goals
"she's shown to play the game relatively well, and is a force to be reckoned with" A physically strong character does not equal a 'good' character, if I can't stand their personally, I don't care if they have Hercules strength, doesn't make them good
"which some fans want to expand on to make her more compelling" they're just head-canons also "Oh screw the other once great characters who got derailed, Courtney is still good because of our made up head canon that may or may not be true, screw everyone, praise Courtney!"
Also, Gwen seems to be the only one who gets punished while Courtney attacks her with all the blame, gets her revenge on Gwen, enjoys her suffering, gets no comeuppance FOR HER WRONG DOINGS IN THE FISASCO, not to mention all the terrible things she's done up to this point that she still doesn't get any punishment for and then in all-stars where again, ONLY Gwen's wrong doings are called out while she is put on the villains while Courtney is considered a hero despite all the despicable sh*t she's done and Gwen at the very least puts in a genuine effort to make things up with Courtney only to be further punished and villainised by others while Courtney continues to get all the breaks!
Here's the logic I continue to came across with Courtney fans- Duncan gets derailed, HE'S THE DEVIL, HE"LL ALWAYS BE BAD, AND WE'RE NOT GONNA LET HIM HAVE THE CHANCE TO REDEEM HIMSELF. Courtney also gets derailed, She's a poor helpless victim who must have our sympathy
And there are the Courtney fans say "It' the writers fault", the problem I have with that argument is that they use that to defend Courtney yet still bash on other characters who were derailed due to bad writing
And further all these fanarts involving a Total Drama superhero universe where Courtney is seen as a hero and even more Courtney is put on elements of harmony memes implying she is still seen as a good guy
And they're this reply from Arika500 I got when I question why he's mad at both Gwen and Courtney for their derailment yet still gives Courtney a protection meme and he responds with "I dunno, I just don't feel the same bitterness with her" ............ wha? So Gwen gets derailed and she's now one of your least favourite characters and despite giving the same criticism to Courtney, she gets a free pass....
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Kitty-McGeeky97 In reply to Sonic2125 [2017-03-13 11:43:24 +0000 UTC]
The big difference is that RD and Finn were always meant to be likable, even now still. RD comes off as the weakest of the Mane 6 than anything else, and Finn just bores me (I honestly don't like Adventure Time much at all...wasn't my cup of tea). You just seem to have a problem with Courtney BECAUSE she's such a blatant bitch. She literally became one of the main antagonists in TDA, and that's when most people saw her as an absolute demon with the onslaught of excessive hate art and constant complaining about how horrible she was just because she's a bitch. Yet when just about anyone else is antagonistic or nasty, it's fine or even awesome. Considering how much you keep trying to bring this up and get so out-of-shape about her that you always have to resort to rather excessive bashing, I'd say you are taking her overly-seriously. I'm legitimately surprised you're still bothering to talk about this since September, I thought we would've gotten bored by this point.
I'm sorry, but no personality...?!
Um...no duh, she's an antagonist. They do horrible things; what else? Heather, Alejandro, Scott, Mal, Chris, Jacques, and Josee did some pretty awful things too, I don't see you going after them.
You didn't even pay attention to the nice things I mentioned that Courtney did for Gwen before things went downhill...didn't you? And you brought up the whole thing in All-Stars about the teams; WHEN THAT WAS THE POINT OF THE JOKE IN THE SHOW. Plus you know Chris did that on purpose. Courtney actually got a lot of flak in canon to the point she was switched over in the third episode. There, problem half solved! She hardly even complained about her placement on the Villain team after the next episode. Now like I said before, Gwen did go through some hard times, but look at the end solutions. Even if her performances weren't always great, she at least had something at the end. She was a finalist, got a boyfriend and most of the cast siding with over Courtney, and later makes friends with Mike, Zoey, and Cameron. Yet fandom-wise, Gwen tends to get coddled a lot whenever one little bad thing happens to her and hardly ever pay attention to the end resolutions she has. Sometimes characters go through crap; it's part of life.
I won't deny that there's a few like that, but are you not aware of the other side of this: where many think Duncan is so awesome and edgy, and that Courtney is awful by default because they CANNOT let go of what she's done for years.
Headcanons actually make nearly any character appealing to me, even for some characters I initially didn't care about.
Well, yeah, the writers do get brought up, but sometimes it makes sense. Plus considering how many of those who despise her on a constant basis, it's getting really old to hear how much she sucks, and is such a bitch after nearly a decade. I could barely even show my art of her to people who knew what TD was, because they would refuse to acknowledge the time and effort I put into it to complain 'what a bitch' she was. It's so annoying...!
It's called interpretation, maybe they had her redeemed in these stories to make it work. That's what I figured. Plus it honestly tempted me to do a Elements of Harmony with antagonistic characters just for the sake of interest.
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Sonic2125 In reply to Kitty-McGeeky97 [2017-03-14 08:06:59 +0000 UTC]
My point there was characters developing in a negative way which is the case with Courtney, turning her from her from interesting to awful
I've actually forgot about this for a while until finding these comments again last night (Australia time) and after reading felt propelled to give a counter argument. Also the only reason I complained as much as I did about her in the past (The worst things about all-stars list doesn't count, as I was talking about All-stars in general, not specifically Courtney) are people praising her like a goddess, and bashing other characters who also got derailed and victimising her ignoring the fact that she too has done terrible things, it got frustrating. And BTW when I talked about other people bashing other characters I WASN"T JUST REFERRING TO GWEN AND DUNCAN
I don't recall her showing concern for Izzy and Owen, even so it's miles away from making up for all the terrible things she done prior and after and which again she never got comeuppance nor showed remorse for, there is no good development of this character
Yeah she's an antagonist, they can be written well or badly and Courtney's on the latter of. What did she do in that role? Sue to get into the season and act like a whiny spoiled brat to get what she wants or when things don't go her way. She isn't interesting nor enjoyable or well written, she just comes off as a plain unlikable b*tch, especially since 'she previously shown to be a more complex character, so the terrible things she does pisses me off
As in case with the other antagonists, part of it is because I have a longer bad history with Courtney and her list goes on longer (And again, all those others were introduced as antagonists while Courtney was poorly developed into that role) and I don't see people acting like they're sweet undeserved victims while bashing others with bad deeds. For the longest time I've hated Heather and Alejandro before joining DA, since at the time I've hated characters like them simply because they're mean, however I learned that's a petty reason to hate a character and took another look at them. The big different with Heather is that she unlike Courtney, she got comeuppance for her bad actions in TDI and since then develops as the show went on, from the villain we're meant to hate to an engaging anti hero and her devious personality became more enjoyable. With Alejandro, in in the line of love to hate villain, where you can't help but acknowledge how good he is at the game but also cheer at his downfall in the finale. With Scott in revenge of the island, what I said in the previous paragraph and this one, he got his karma and he became very lovable in All-stars. Mal, all he did most of the time is break random things and act evil, eh category for me. Chris is in my dislike section, but again longer history of bad with Courtney and I don't see people victimising him. As for the Ice Dancers, I found them to be hilarious and entertaining throughout the Ridonculous Race, their deeds never go unpunished, and Josee is potentially a tragic character, with the writers throwing in hints of a bad history with her mother leaving a psychological grip giving her strong need to win. (If Courtney and Sky were shown to potentially have something like that to explain their obsession with winning to the point of doing terrible things to do so and/or entertaining I wouldn't have as much of problem with them as I do)
" I won't deny that there's a few like that, but are you not aware of the other side of this: where many think Duncan is so awesome and edgy, and that Courtney is awful by default because they CANNOT let go of what she's done for years.". I'm being honest when I say 98% of people I encountered that are like that
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Kitty-McGeeky97 In reply to Sonic2125 [2017-03-14 20:31:49 +0000 UTC]
Here's the thing: I seriously don't want to talk about this anymore. This is an old, dying topic and I wasted sleep time at 5 AM on a Monday having to type out a comment on my phone while I had time. I don't want to do that again.
Yes she did, don't you remember the episode where she was the only one expressing any sort of concern when the plane fell on them? As well as trying to pull them out???
Do you not realize that maybe Courtney doesn't need this super over-the-top comeuppance? Do you not realize how nearly everyone on the show has shamed her eventually? The fact she had basically NO friends or support at the end of TDWT, everyone found her annoying and typically sided with Gwen. And even in All-Stars, is shamed by everyone for her sudden heel-face turn with the narrative clearly against her from the first few minutes onward. Rejection can be a terrible, terrible thing that shouldn't be underestimated. The narrative literally did everything for you, it's hardly worth complaining about. In almost every circumstance, I would rather have a villain over a badly written protagonist, at least the villain is typically going to ultimately fail and you're meant to hate them. That includes spoiled brats too.
Have you not seen the people who literally praise Heather and call her 'heavenly'? I'm serious, they would worship HER yet bash Courtney constantly like little hypocrites for no good reason:
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Sonic2125 In reply to Kitty-McGeeky97 [2017-03-14 22:03:25 +0000 UTC]
I honestly don't remember that part
Sorry I still feel that way, and the fact remains that they are characters I find to be better written as antagonists and are enjoyable and I never felt that from Courtney
I've never come across anyone of those people, like I said the majority of people I've come across act like that to Courtney
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Kitty-McGeeky97 In reply to Sonic2125 [2017-03-14 22:05:27 +0000 UTC]
Lucky you...but these were legitimate screenshots of the deviations they'd make, sometimes even copying said deviation to have a character get brutally killed.
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Sonic2125 In reply to Kitty-McGeeky97 [2017-05-04 08:56:20 +0000 UTC]
Though there's one those memes for Courtney
(Which was pretty much what driven my old Courtney rants but this, and Air30002 saying Courtney had a bad boyfriend and ignored that she treated Duncan badly in TDA)
Though now I realised I dragged this out much more than I did, But before a full burying of the hatchet, but first a few more responses- No one had even called out Courtney for her actions in the past and their pretty much forgotten, instead it's what Gwen did that everyone's b*tches about, and if your referring to the parts in all-stars like the contestants dropping rom the helicopter, having gruel thrown at them and falling into the moats with crabs, ALL the contestants got that treatment, and the purpose of having Gwen indirectly causing pain to Courtney was to make Gwen look bad not as comeuppance. I get where you're coming from with her being on the heroes being joke, however they could have done better like have other contestants question her being on that team. In the end it still feels like she got away with her bad doings, and no I'm not asking for something like with Al, Blainleley and Scott (Even though they had karma coming that was too much) but I wish, the writers, other characters and fans can at least point out and acknowledge this, heck, have her realise this and feel bad then improve and develop from there
I get some characters are meant to be unlikable but there's a certain where it goes too far and does nothing but anger me.
Lastly with the elements of harmony meme I mentioned, I though Courtney being on it was because the person who made are one of those people who glorify Courtney. I get what you mean with the head canons but there a point where I see this kind of logic- Two characters have done awful things to the same extent, one is bashed on but the other is protected by fans because of a head-canon that may or may not be true
Now for the full disclosure. I'm sorry for the repeated comments regarding Courtney on this meme. Seeing Air30002's 'Top 54 TD characters' meme he said this "Nonone has work hard as she did to win and what does she get? A role of antagonist-"!? Okay, how was Courtney becoming a villain make her sympathetic? Seeing Courtney on this meme was like that which is what triggered that comment. But now I understand why Courtney is on this meme, there was a chance for Courtney to start redeeming herself and the writers bailed from it. I get that, and I'd definitely would like to see Courtney be likable again (As long as her bad actions in the past are acknowledged). Again I apologise for my behaviour and I'm finally done with this debate with you
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Matrooko11 In reply to Sonic2125 [2017-05-04 11:45:06 +0000 UTC]
Sorry, but that thing's old. I like her, but still I can see why a lot of people hate/dislike/neutral towards her.
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Sonic2125 In reply to Matrooko11 [2017-05-04 11:53:59 +0000 UTC]
Ah I see.
(I had felt this meme puts her on the pedestal and completely ignores her wrong doings)
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haein45 In reply to Kitty-McGeeky97 [2016-10-10 04:21:14 +0000 UTC]
It is indeed hypocritical of Duncan to say that he is "straight" with people when he was NOT straight with Courtney or Trent when he stole Gwen away from Trent in Total Drama Action and cheated on Courtney with Gwen in Total Drama Action and Total Drama World Tour.
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Sonic2125 In reply to haein45 [2017-03-13 10:14:55 +0000 UTC]
A. Still doesn't mean all of Courtney's wrong doings are magically non-existent
B. Duncan didn't steal Gwen from Trent
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renhoekfan In reply to Sonic2125 [2017-08-18 11:26:17 +0000 UTC]
Sonic You take everything seriously XD How many years have you been running this This just a freaking Cartoon !
What about that part when fluttershy is being a bitch and bitching the ponies !
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Sonic2125 In reply to renhoekfan [2017-08-18 11:56:30 +0000 UTC]
My disclosure on CourtneyHi folks, if you know me then you'd know I've ranted on Courtney in the past. Thinking about it now, the real reason I felt the need to do so back then was because of so many of her white knights putting her on the pedestal, being way easier on her while bashing on other characters who also have been derailed.
They hate on Duncan for cheating on her yet fail to acknowledge all the times Courtney hated on and assaulted him TDA, ditching him for money without a second thought, and only caring about her needs in the relationship. It's annoying how people paint her as a victim when she got away with making other people miserable while getting no comeuppance and none of her actions are acknowledged by the other characters.
However I now would prefer for her character improve in the future especially after re-watching All-stars, as long as her actions in the past are acknowledged by the writers and the characters on the show I'm done with arguing about Courtney
Also, people are allowed to have their opinion on cartoons and express it
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renhoekfan In reply to Sonic2125 [2017-08-18 14:33:45 +0000 UTC]
You said in your disclosure So many of her white knight I mean Courtney White Knights . It's sound intresting because you act like a same and you act like a white knight in the past bashing Courtney protect arts to protect Duncan who is a totaly ashole and lost two girls only in he's foult You said we act like a white Knight but you did the same with Duncan and your loving characters. ( Do not get this an insult, please I just tell what I think And what I've known in the past )
Bro I tell you something Aurora just so fucking right Why should we justify it or be ashamed of ourselves just becuse we love Courtney and made art with her and protect her ? We will not ask the Darth Wader fans,or Eric Cartman Fans and Joker fans why thy love them do you have any idea how so fucking many Girls Love Darth Wader alias Anakin Skywalker and protect him any time no matter what he did or how many childrens he killed and how he choking Padme !
Jeah bro this is the true or do you think how many fangirls and fans love Cartman so many also. No matter how many person kill Cartman or bullied brutally . How many time the Joker abused brutally Harley and try to kill innocent peoples so many times! I think that there is no reason to justify it . If they wanted to love them protect them ,Then leave There is no cause they just wanted to love them .
Why Because villains and peoples love villains they are alo badass coller than the boring hero types . Compared to Courtney with Cartman ,Darth Wader,Palpatine,Joker, Courtney is an angel and this guys have super huge loving fanbase understand me what I said bro? Much worse mutch more cruel, more sadistic evil characters get's to mutch love Than Courtney . After that I think we can love it protected it and made art with Courtney If we wanted .
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Sonic2125 In reply to renhoekfan [2017-08-18 21:28:40 +0000 UTC]
Again it's in the past, I acknowledge what Duncan did was bad but to me his character derailment isn't bad as Courtney's IMO. Don't confuse it, I'm aware of the bad things he does and nowadays I'm not gonna justify him cheating on Courtney. And I hope Courtney fans can do the same and realise Duncan wasn't the only crappy one in the relationship. Of course, I find The joker and Darth Vader to be great characters but don't like Courtney because I don't her character was developed or enjoyable enough the overcome the hateful things she does.
But again I'm done with debating Courtney after I how treated Kitty-Mcgeeky all this time, and live and let live. I'm personally sick of this debate and would rather hope for the best for her character in the future
I see your a Lapis fan
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renhoekfan In reply to Sonic2125 [2017-08-19 00:17:30 +0000 UTC]
I read your Disclosure on Courtney and I will glad the last part when you said you would rather hope for the best for her character in the future This is what I told you in the past Sonic Do you think I not wanted see her mor positive energy ? Of course I wanted any of her fans wanted to . So many Courtney fans not hate Duncan also still the Duncney is the most popular paring even today XD And So many Duncan fans not hate Courtney many time I read how Gwen is a bitch becuse she broke up Duncan So there are interesting things mate in any level (Irony)
Of course and I really agre Both Courtney and Duncan is not innocent and did bad things
Yes I love Lapis Pearl and Peridot And I can assure you that I will Soon draw them in my da
Anyway Sonic I think This was a good conversation and discussion between us I'm glad we talk bro
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Sonic2125 In reply to renhoekfan [2017-08-19 05:37:30 +0000 UTC]
Sweet man! Glad we can get along ^^
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renhoekfan In reply to Sonic2125 [2017-08-19 22:54:03 +0000 UTC]
I think the same bro ^^I'm glad I talk to you bro
Also I have a good news for you budy . My friend send me something if we should glad .)
Rocoball write me this : Duncan is no longer in jail, his red shoes are seen in TDRR episode 26 minutes 1:07 - 1:20, after Sadie's feet
He's in New York.
Expand this information, let everyone know.Just becuse I not like him after what he did with Courtney , does not mean that his fans do not deserve to know that he is free.
And Duncan were among the balloons going straight into the sun in the mediocre TDAS episode 13.
Which means all the contestants survived. This is god news all of them are safe Even we Courtney fans Care Duncan and tell if we see something better which help the fans and us .
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ndunsmo In reply to ??? [2016-07-08 05:14:22 +0000 UTC]
10) Butters, definitely, and while I never really cared too much for Pip before, it does kind of sadden me that even the creators themselves hated him so much, that they planned his permanent death in advance. Yeah, Barbera Streisand stepping on him was on their mind for a long time.
9) Yeah, he deserved all the torment he got in the first three seasons, but now he's one of the only characters I actually like.
8) Yeah, I never thought that was THAT bad. She could have been handled better, but she wasn't terrible.
7) It does bother me we had to wait for a sequel series for her to improve while no one else needed to wait that long, but still, at least she got better.
6) Well, he did totally deserve to be voted off in episode 1.
5) Yeah, easily the most sympathetic of the DW villains.
4) Agreed.
3) People don't care for Team Guy? They're, like, my favorite characters! Rock Lee's my number 1! He's awesome!
2) Yeah, I'm seriously convinced that the only reason fans hate her so much is because they see how the popular kids treat her and feel like they have to act exactly the same way. First off, she's not that ugly, but also, those peers of hers are awful. She acts like herself, they blindly hate her. She tries to be like them, they hate her even more. I can't blame her for the occasional psychotic meltdown.
1) Yeah, just once, I wanted him to win for real. Granted, I do feel as if he'd often doom himself by constantly revealing his plans to Zim (Dude, do you not understand the element of surprise?), but even so, I wanted him to succeed. Seriously, someone at least revive 'Invader Dib'. Heck, Nick, you've decided to revive the originally planned Hey Arnold movie, so why not?
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Kitty-McGeeky97 In reply to ndunsmo [2016-07-08 18:36:48 +0000 UTC]
10. I wonder why the creators hate him exactly...
9. Agreed.
8. People overreact over her too much for being an antagonist/mean, (because, what do you expect from them?) and she actually can be a good player
7. True, and I thought her portrayal in the first series was kind of intentional, even then she called herself out for not being good enough as her teammates, and they over exaggerated her temper in the anime compared to the manga.
6. Yeah, kind of. He wasn't all that useful in the first place and I kind of forgot he even existed when first watching. Though his fans will defend that saying his upbringing made him very naive when he made those sexist remarks that doomed him for elimination.
5. He really is, and Megavolt would be a close second.
3. I personally prefer Lee more than Naruto.
2. I will never understand the treatment. I know Meg's not the most engaging character ever, but compared to everyone else in the main cast, I feel she's one of the few decent characters on Family Guy nowadays besides Stewie.
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Sakuraofchaos In reply to ??? [2016-06-12 18:28:17 +0000 UTC]
I agree with 3, 4 and 7. Crona is my favorite charcter and Sakura was cool in Shippudden. I wish she wasn't hated and I wish her character development was noticed by the Naruto fandom. I mean, in Japan she's the fandom queen while in America and the west she's the fandom punching bag for no reason.
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