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MakingFunOfStuff β€” The Problems With Stories Written by Teenagers
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Description Don't be offended at the title. "Teenagers" is just my way of saying "people who write unprofessional/shallow stories." Not all teenagers write shallow stories, it just sounds catchier.... Anyway.

The first thing I want to make clear is: I'm not talking about anything mechanical in this deviation. Grammar/spelling is important (obviously), but that point has been beaten to death by people on the internet already. My purpose, as always, is to talk about the stories themselves, regardless of the way they are communicated. Whether it be through written word or on-the-spot narration, I believe there are certain tricks to telling good stories. Not rules, mind you. Tricks.

I don't believe that telling good stories is about what you "should" do, rather than what you shouldn't. Example: people generally hate Mary Sues, right? Well, sometimes I notice things that are "like" Mary Sues, in the sense that they're equally as shallow/unprofessional ways of telling stories. The purpose of this deviation is to point them out. I won't be talking about Mary Sues or self inserts in this deviation. This is about things that tend to go more unnoticed (I already have deviations about those anyway).

1. Thinking that "most" = best

Sometimes people who write think they're making "the best story ever," because it's the MOST dramatic, MOST dark, MOST romantic MOST (insert your choice of adjective here). Having the most of something doesn't equate to it being the best. Think of it like salt.

2. Unbalance

Do you ever read a story, and it feels like there was a big hole in it? Maybe it was a tragedy that focused on nothing but tragic events. The author got carried away in their emotions and didn't create a well-rounded world for us to care about while the sad things take place. Sure, sad things are sad, but that is no accomplishment of the author. It would be MORE sad if the audience had a well-created world to be sad about in the first place.
In fanfiction, the writers have the advantage of writing about something that people already care about. That's how a lot of people with barely any imagination can get so many people to like their fanfiction stories. "Hey! Let's take the Once-ler and find a way to drench him in blood! It sure took talent to think of that!"
Never judge someone's imagination by how popular their fanfiction is. Never...

3. Narcissism

Sometimes people consider themselves to be a certain way. They write certain genres or about certain themes for the sake of adding to their self-proclaimed image. They use their stories as stepping stones (a lot of times without even realizing it) to show off in front of other people. A lot of times it's in the little things, strategically placed to look innocent or humble. "The woman shook her head in admiration at *insert-person-that's-supposed-to-be-like-them's-name.* 'That girl sure is *insert-their-choice-of-adjective!* We may never understand her!"

4. Abusing character roles (sort of a Part 2 of Narcissism)

I want you to think about Belle from Beauty in the Beast for a minute (the Disney version). If you're familiar with it, think of the song sung by the villagers about her in the beginning. Has anyone else ever noticed something...odd about it? The villagers are singing about how different (or "weird") she is, all because she reads books and acts like... well, the average girl you'd meet every day on DeviantArt. Meanwhile, if you met one of those villagers in real life, you'd probably think of THEM as the strange ones (first of all, they're abnormally nosy, all bothering to sing a big song about a perfectly normal girl whose personal life they REALLY bothered to have apparently looked so much into... o_O).
Okay. I understand that can be a strategy in story telling (using the background to add to the general effect of a certain thing... i.e Belle wanting a break from her boring life).
I bring this up however, mostly as a warning. I don't know how...um... healthy it is, that a lot of teenager girls these days really seem to think they're sooo great that they write stories about themselves and use other people as tools to look good. They make people (sometimes fake, sometimes real) in their stories impressed far too easily by themselves (or certain things) sometimes to the point even of contradiction. It falls into the same attitude as the narcissism example.
Sometimes it goes beyond, "Oh, a cute little Disney story," and gets really narcissistic and vain.
A story will suffer if it's written for anything besides the pure pleasure of writing it. Ulterior motives distract from making it the best it possibly can be. Not to mention, nobody likes being used as an audience for people who can't stop shining the spotlight on themselves. (It needed to be said).
Furthermore, Disney movies are corny. It's a fact. That's why we like them. The point is simple: if you are writing a CORNY story, feel free to use their little trick of making the whole world conform to one character/theme (heck, make everyone burst into song about them!) If you're NOT writing a corny story, avoid it at all costs. It's a cheap trick, and it's no substitute for actually making there be something special about whatever character/thing you're trying to make something special about.

Fun fact: "Bully" characters are possibly the biggest form of abuse to story-telling. This can be in the form of a snooty, popular girl at school who picks on the main-character we're supposed to feel sorry for, or in the form of unreasonably/obsessively cruel bullies who are far from even borderline realistic. They're the classic example of cheating in a story; the cheapest way to make other characters seem special or victim-ly.



5. Pretty feelings

Did you ever put on an Owl City song while you were writing/drawing and think something like: Lalalalalala, beautifulness, and the dreams and the beautifullness of the wonderful outerspace, flying through the sky and the shooting stars lalala!
Yeah, we could tell.
No, seriously, it's fine to get your inspiration from wherever you want. Just make sure that while you're getting all into the music that you don't let the emotions that the song brings you be your only guide.
Sometimes people get REALLY excited about their characters or a story they're making up and draw all this beautiful art of it, and you're like, "Hey! That's an amazing picture of the main character on a shooting star! So... when can I read this?!" Then you see the story, and think, "...this is it?"
Don't fall into the trap of thinking that your emotions are the story. A lot of people who listen to music while they write make this mistake, though that isn't to say that listening to music when you write is always automatically bad.



To conclude this, there's really only one thing I want to say. Write because you like to. Write about things you like no matter what they are and force them to fit together. Write about things that you like and wouldn't be too ashamed to show your friends or family. Odds are, if you're too embarrassed to show it to the people you know best, it's not coming from the heart. I don't mean "your emotions" as your heart. It's not really YOU if it's something you're embarrassed of. Embarrassment can be a sign that you know deep down your story might be a wee bit... well, stupid.
And then there are the people with no dignity.......

I love feedback. If anyone has anything interesting to add, I'd be glad to hear!
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KikuMizu [2013-11-03 07:34:18 +0000 UTC]

I feel stupid only after I finish or around people who are still new to me. And I have had the bully problem in a few stories...but otherwise I think I have steered clear. I mean, my longest stories right now were created while I was in high school but they demonstrate my growth as a person and writer as they are still unfinished. That is probably another reason I have yet to try my luck in the publishing pool.

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SunsetSprite In reply to ??? [2013-10-13 07:24:59 +0000 UTC]

Well, I understand where you're coming from. I'm sixteen years old and I like to write stories. Original works though. I used to write fanfictions before my originals took over my life~! I only write because people, (excluding by best friends and family), always make fun of me, look down on me or pick on me so I decided to write.Β 

It's funny to see someone yelling of critism...Isn't t that supposed to help you? I, personally, need it at times. Β 

To sum up this in one word is simple...

No one's perfect. People just need to realize it.

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warriorcats16678 In reply to ??? [2013-09-08 12:21:13 +0000 UTC]

This is very helpful. Thanks for writing it. I'll have to keep a lot of it in mind while I'm writing my story.

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Toxic-Bubbly In reply to ??? [2013-09-02 19:48:08 +0000 UTC]

Just because someone's embarrassed about showing their stories to their family doesn't mean that they aren't proud of it or know it sucks. Β Sometimes when a person writes, they write about things that their family members don't like. Β Like when I write. I would never show my parents or siblings the story I'm working on now. Β But only because I know they aren't into what I'm writing. I'm proud of my story. Β I just wouldn't ask my sister or step mom to read it. Β Because I know they won't like it, just because of the content and what it's about. Β But I would gladly show them my poetry. Β Not all of it, but most of it. Β And once again, it's because of a person likes to read about, not embarrassment or shame.

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MakingFunOfStuff In reply to Toxic-Bubbly [2013-09-04 03:35:51 +0000 UTC]

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Toxic-Bubbly In reply to MakingFunOfStuff [2013-09-04 04:50:36 +0000 UTC]

I have a feeling all parents are lazy xD

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123Theone In reply to ??? [2013-08-22 04:51:04 +0000 UTC]

SOME ONE PLEASE READ THIS!!! This is the summary to one of my FanFics. It about the Hetalia characters America and Britain, but its actually based around their 2P!s (second player, essentially their Dark! forms) This is the summary of it, I just want to make sure its not "a tragedy that focused on nothing but tragic events"

Summary: After being chased out of the UK by British police, Arthur and his 2P! Oliver flee to America, where they meet a young man named Alfred and his own 2P!, a gang banger named Allan. Despite Arthur's warning that Allan is a bad guy, Oliver falls in love with Allan, only to find that the relationship is exactly what Arthur had said it would be. Oliver stays with Arthur, but when Arthur uncovers bad memories in an attempt to discover what has caused Oliver to be so mentally ill, Oliver goes crazy and runs off on his own in NYC. Meanwhile, Allan has run into trouble with another gang, and they are threatening to hurt him, and every one around him, because of something he did in his past.

This really only points out the bad things that happen, but I paint pretty pictures of happiness in between. I just wanna make sure the overall plot isn't one of those cheesy "to bad to be true" kind of things

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ArthurTheBraveOne In reply to 123Theone [2013-08-27 23:35:39 +0000 UTC]

Well, I don't want to be a bother, and I'm not any kind of published author or anything, but I would like to give you just a hint of advice here: this is not really an attractive summary. Also, it doesn't make me want to read your story more, because I feel that you've pretty much given away about three quarters of the plot. Furthermore, the way you used "gang banger" very much confused me (I don't believe that's actually how you call someone in a gang...? 'member', mayhaps?). I do feel that there is plenty of potential in your story (funnily enough, there is in most: it's most often just a matter of how it's told), but you're just doing kind of a poor job of presentation right now. I'd urge you to try for a more logical flow of your summary (for example, most concepts are plot lines are simply sprung upon the reader, and they're never given to process it because the next sentence springs /another/ plot point on them). Just a bit of a jump structure.

Final note: I'm pretty sure that if Allan had a bad rep with another street gang, they'd go a whole lot further than just threatening to hurt them, just saying Good luck with your story, and overall, this isn't quite 'Too bad to be true', but you might want to give poor Oliver a bit of a break, because he seems to be getting all the crap around here

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123Theone In reply to ArthurTheBraveOne [2013-08-28 03:58:14 +0000 UTC]

Yes, I know my summaries are bad. My mom actually told me that this was bad and giving away to much BUT I ignored her. Silly me. I can never write a good summary
I looked up gang banger, it means some one who is the member of a gang. Allan is actually the leader, but I didn't know what else I would say.
And, yes, the gang does more then threaten to hurt people. They actually DO hurt people but, like you said, I'm no good at writing summaries. I was trying to be "suspenseful" so the reader would be all like "oh, what are they going to do?"
Any way, thanks for reading it. Yeah, Oliver does get a lot of crap. I actually feel bad for him and might cut some things out, but IDK. Like you said " it's most often just a matter of how it's told" and I think my story is going to be long enough to fill it in with good things that will counter the bad
Thanks again!!!!

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ArthurTheBraveOne In reply to 123Theone [2013-08-28 08:37:08 +0000 UTC]

Hey man, don't get so down on yourself! Saying 'I can never write a good summary' isn't going to make it any better! Saying to yourself "okay, I realize this one isn't great, but I have at least an idea /what/ I'm doing wrong, so I can try again" is much more productive! Just give it another shot (or five, or ten; remember, practice makes perfect), and eventually I'm sure you're going to get the hang of it You've done the suspensefull part pretty decently, now it's just a matter of making sure that your summary has a little more internal coherence and structure, because humans really, really like structure You know what? Why don't you just give it another try, polish up your summary a bit, and send it to me in a note? I'll just try and give you some other pointers if I can

Ps. One final note: be a little more precise with your punctuation, it will make you seem more professional, and people will take you more seriously! In this post in particular, do remember that apostrophes and quotation marks are always attached tot the relevant sentence that is being quoted, and never, ever, use more than one exclamation mark, please. It will, in fact, make people instantly take you less seriously.

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123Theone [2013-08-22 04:12:29 +0000 UTC]

OMG I love this. I read this one Fanfic where this where this guy was just randomly beating one of the characters. NO REASON GIVEN. Just beating him, could've been good if there was a reason, but nope. And I was just like "?".
I (attempt to) write original novels, so I think I'm pretty good at staying away from some of this stuff. I've read to much on writing to be token down by some of this stuff!
I really hope I don't do any of this.

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PixelatedPanda [2013-08-22 00:40:41 +0000 UTC]

This. I love this. It reminds me of a few days ago when my friend showed me my old fanfiction account, and how all the chapters I wrote in my one Final Fantasy 7 fanfic were all 3000+ words. I cringed reading it, yet realized it was before I became "comma happy". It also made me realize how terrible I was. There was porn all over the place. ._. I swear I cringed so hard that my face would've stayed with it. I still have all the stories I wrote back in high school, but only to show how far I've come. They were so terrible...

Some of these "teenagers", as you pointed out in the first two paragraphs, are also unable to take constructive criticism. Though some people might come off more harsh than others, it helps build your own physical character to become a better writer. Yet some can't seem to grasp that concept. x.o

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MayKatje [2013-08-20 09:07:34 +0000 UTC]

Is it weird for this to make me feel... good?
It's pretty much the first thing I read today and it's put me in the mood for writing.

Anyhow... thanks!

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AvisWing [2013-08-20 06:46:38 +0000 UTC]

Thankyou

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Hinata0321 [2013-08-20 04:03:52 +0000 UTC]

Nicely done! Brings up some things (wrong with a lot of fanfictions) that are sometimes hard to put your finger on. Probably could be much more on the list, but it's good, short and compact, and as I said, nails down some relevant points

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space-commander [2013-08-20 02:54:48 +0000 UTC]

Thanks for writing this.Β  It's useful, and it also made me laugh

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GameDude2 In reply to ??? [2013-08-20 00:21:14 +0000 UTC]

For some reason, I feel that my fanfictions have most of these qualities. :/

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lollipopwentpop In reply to ??? [2013-08-19 20:47:19 +0000 UTC]

this is quite good . I HATE MARY SUES! I WANNA SLAUGHTER THEM ALL! though i do write a lot of sue-bashing. anyway this applies to more than just teenagers i am thinking so you might wanna make that clearr.Β 

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CannedMadMan66 In reply to ??? [2013-08-19 15:08:31 +0000 UTC]

Pretty good guide though I think that this type of writing isn't limited to teenagers. I get that by the title you weren't being exclusive to that age group but I guess what I'm saying is that this is sort of a mindset that unfortunately sticks with people despite their age. I've been out of fan fiction writing for a long time now and looking back I caught a lot of these problems in my own writing at the time when I was 16-17. Its a good work here and I'm gonna remember this so I can keep my own writing in check. Nice work.

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Icepool27 In reply to ??? [2013-08-19 06:54:09 +0000 UTC]

wow this is really good, will be a big help in my writing thank you

I especially agree with you in the 'most' part... some stories written by the people of my age (and I) are just too dramatic at times; it feels like as though the whole story is a minefield and wherever you go you just get caught up in an explosion of messed up feelings that the author thinks makes the story 'emotional' -.- it's really annoying sometimes

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FHYeah1 In reply to ??? [2013-08-19 03:54:02 +0000 UTC]

YESS!! THIS IS VERY GOOD!!! I definitely agree with your point, I want to be a professional writer and I just hate stories that do any of this, i know i'll start a whole story again when I notice these mistakes in my own stuff, it makes me want to cry Good job!

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MrHuragok In reply to ??? [2013-08-19 01:18:37 +0000 UTC]

I can't say which of these "sins" I've committed, but I'm sure I have at some point in my writing. I'm currently working on a fan fiction as well, but that's not to say I don't have creativity; I'm also working on an original story/universe at the same time. I write fan fiction because I have a passion for the media I decide tow rite about, and it tickles my fancy to create my own scenarios in universes I enjoy. I usually make my own characters int these fictions though, so I suppose that's a smidge more imaginative than some other works; but that's just my opinion. Never the less I'd assume my story has a few if not more of these mistakes in them; I may have some decent writing experience but I'm certainly not highly skilled; I still have a lot to learn. Β  Β  Β Β 

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Nekogami13 In reply to ??? [2013-08-19 00:34:20 +0000 UTC]

lol i loved the description of what people think when listening to owl cityΒ 

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Rebeccannoying In reply to ??? [2013-08-18 23:08:45 +0000 UTC]

"1. Thinking that "most" = best" Yesssssssssssssssssssss. Say this again, please. I just got done reading a bunch of random books from my mom's yard/library sale collection, and somebody needs to tell this to some of those published authors. I read a romance book where to explain the female lead's aversion to commitment in a relationship, the author decided that she was raped as a child while her mother wasΒ simultaneouslyΒ raped and murdered. Apparently major childhood trauma is the only reason someone might prefer a casual relationship. Good lord, people.Β 

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azdesertlupine [2013-08-18 20:37:13 +0000 UTC]

Fan based fiction tends to have a larger than fair share of "Diva" styled writing you have highlighted in this post to be certain. You have explored a number of issues that many people share when they read such tales. The saddest part of the problem is the lack of willingness by "Diva" writers to accept any kind of concrit reviews that could help them turn into amazing authors if they would take the time to consider the feed back before deleting it as trolling. They have absolute tantrums if you do not fawn all over their mediocre writing. You are correct to call this teenager class writing because literal age has nothing to do with the phenomena, but it does smack of immaturity on the writer's part. Thanks so much for posting this commentary. Some of us truly appreciate knowing we are not alone in having similar thoughts.

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buslimpan In reply to ??? [2013-08-18 20:12:38 +0000 UTC]

..... I think that this hit home a bit. I will ceitainly think about this.

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XanbuTheReturned In reply to ??? [2013-08-18 20:11:34 +0000 UTC]

THANK YOU.

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XxAcumichixX In reply to ??? [2013-08-18 16:35:16 +0000 UTC]

You are truly right, and I would really like you to maybe beta a story I'm writing. I try not to write like a 'teenager' but I would really like some feed back.

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Lackeysan [2013-08-18 15:39:37 +0000 UTC]

SO BLOODY TRUE. APPLAUSE.

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Overrated-Relish [2013-08-18 09:27:17 +0000 UTC]

I always am scared of writing cheesy stuff... I know you probably won't even read this comment, but if you do can I make a small request? Could you briefly read one of my stories? I'll send you a link. I just want you to tell me if it is cheesy or not. I do suck at grammar and spelling, but I want a harsh and thoughtful critic. And if anyone else reads this comment you can judge it too.

www.fanfiction.net/s/9237250/1…
(Warning: this is a song-fanfic)

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wikigiuli In reply to ??? [2013-08-18 08:46:15 +0000 UTC]

interesting! ^^

i agree with you

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AmaltheaGrey [2013-08-18 08:31:17 +0000 UTC]

You, sir - or lady - should wear the honour badge of the Order of the Knights of the Feather.Β 

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MakingFunOfStuff In reply to AmaltheaGrey [2013-08-21 04:17:22 +0000 UTC]

Thank you

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Nineveh03 [2013-08-18 07:40:57 +0000 UTC]

Well, there is also another thing I have seen that annoys the hell out of me, but I'm not sure if I should call that "a mistake" (probably not). It happens when the writer wants to write a very long, detailed chapter - and to do that, they tend to write completely irrevelant and most often than not boring paragraphes, for example "and now let's see how an X character makes pancakes". And they write down like every single action on how it's done. It's a great waste of time for both the reader and the writer, since the whole wall of text could be basically summed up to "The X character made some pancakes" and it adds to plot just as much.
I hope I'm not the only one bothered by it D:

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TaylorNicoleReed In reply to Nineveh03 [2013-08-18 10:20:04 +0000 UTC]

Omg I'm so with you there!! I don't need a step by step about how so-and-so goes to the bathroom and stares at the mirror for two friggin' hours. Just tell me they did it and walk away!! Or better yet, SHOW it without preaching about it and move along.

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Nineveh03 In reply to TaylorNicoleReed [2013-08-18 11:18:45 +0000 UTC]

Yay I'm not alone on this .
That's why I like it when authors write series of scenes - almost drables - and then put them into a chapter. This way there's only what's truly important for the plot, but that happens so rarely :<

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TaylorNicoleReed In reply to Nineveh03 [2013-08-19 03:50:58 +0000 UTC]

Seriously man!! There are free writing workshops EVERYWHERE. Find one!!!

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TheBestJojo [2013-08-18 07:30:04 +0000 UTC]

You know, every time i read one of your prose or reviews. I imagine you, walking and talking on a stage, wearing a very nice blue shirt under a nice gray coat. Little microphone headset on your right ear and i don't even know what you look like but you are there, speaking like your on TED. You got a way with words.Β 

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Pseudowitch [2013-08-18 06:44:02 +0000 UTC]

You had posted some good pieces of advice for fellow writers. I agree with most of what you say however, do not confuse embarrassment with uncertainty. Stephen King was uncertain of his works when he first started (stated in his autobiography) and yet today he is considered by many to be the king of horror.

Β Another thing I wish to point out is that there have been many a fine episode of several hit television series such as Star Trek and X-Files which were written by authors of fan fiction. Never judge a writer by his or her choice of writing subject, judge them by the quality of what they write.

On your comment about music, I agree that getting wrapped up into the emotion of the music can distract a writer from placing the proper emotion into their story. I listen to music as I write as well only I try to select music that matches the emotion I wish to express in my words.

Lastly, on this subject, I completely agree that assuming you are making the 'best' story is the best way to sabotage yourself as you will tend to miss a lot of simple mistakes you might otherwise catch. I am not a professional writer by any stretch of the imagination but it is something I enjoy doing and I will continue to write until something I like better comes along.

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Moaheya In reply to ??? [2013-08-18 06:30:50 +0000 UTC]

Very good advice
The 'less is more' bit rings true with me. I've been mucking around with a hobby story project for more than ten years, and every time I realise it needs an overhaul, I chop big chunks out of it. Why use twenty mediocre words when five precise ones will do?
And a tip to everyone... don't throw away or delete old stories, no matter how terrible they are. I did that and now I regret it. I think it's an interesting way of keeping track of yourself, and a rock solid way of seeing how far you've come

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Lady-Zana In reply to ??? [2013-08-18 06:16:33 +0000 UTC]

Women being literate was uncommon in the time period that B&B took place, so the villagers weren't pointing out Belle's hobby without reason. (Not that you need a reason to break out in song and dance, imo~)

Good points, though.
I don't understand how people can write while listening to music. That seems super distracting.

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Tessi-the-Terrible [2013-08-18 06:11:48 +0000 UTC]

This describes all of my writing from when I was twelve... Not a time I like to look back on.

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Roman-Utopia-Panacea In reply to ??? [2013-08-18 05:40:44 +0000 UTC]

I completely agree. In fact, I always make my main characters the opposite if who I usually am, I make sure we only have one or two things in common. For example, I love art and reading but I'll make a character who hates books and can't draw yet ill make her/him have like sports the way I do.
Simple question, might you be able to proof read a story, I'm a horrible at criticizing?

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weekendhunters In reply to ??? [2013-08-18 04:51:30 +0000 UTC]

I agree with this, although of course, like everyone else, I think the word "Teenagers" is a bit misleading, one of the best writers I met in dA is just 13 (when I first read her stuff I thought she was at least 16), but overall, you made some excellent points right here, and sometimes I'd skip reading a story based on how it is written.

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Haku-chii In reply to ??? [2013-08-18 04:42:03 +0000 UTC]

I have a feeling number 5 is all about me

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