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Gym leader set to appear in the upcoming Pokémon Sword and Shield.[In my spare time]
This piece on July's Rewards > bit.ly/2LaBtrZ
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raysona In reply to ??? [2019-07-10 20:32:24 +0000 UTC]
OK, i disagree but i get what you mean.
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Kirie013 In reply to raysona [2019-07-14 14:51:33 +0000 UTC]
Actually people do complain when white characters are played by PoC actors so please don't act like no one has ever complained about white characters being played by a person of color. Do you not remember the outcry when The Human Torch was played by Michael B. Jordan in the most recent Fantastic 4 Movie?
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raysona In reply to Kirie013 [2019-07-14 15:07:52 +0000 UTC]
No i did not remember that. I never said that no acts like that does not happen. I just said that you never really here about it.
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Kirie013 In reply to raysona [2019-07-14 15:50:12 +0000 UTC]
Honestly it was a really big deal (just wasn't made overly public because of twitter) just like how it almost always is when a PoC plays a previously white character.
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raysona In reply to Kirie013 [2019-07-14 15:55:53 +0000 UTC]
Well i didn't hear about it. But yeah i can agree it's bad either way if it is done to be racist.
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raysona In reply to Kirie013 [2019-07-14 16:29:00 +0000 UTC]
Thank you. Some people would be put off by it so i like when i get a positive comment. It's a drawing made by Eishiban f you're curious.
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Kirie013 In reply to raysona [2019-07-14 18:50:19 +0000 UTC]
While it certainly isn't my thing it doesn't look as bad as most other fat versions of characters.
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raysona In reply to Kirie013 [2019-07-14 19:01:43 +0000 UTC]
Well thanks for being nice about it. Most people are just awful.
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remuko In reply to ??? [2019-07-09 15:09:41 +0000 UTC]
Incorrect. The only way your argument would be true is when all other things are equal. And theyre not.
If you have a rich person and a homeless person each eating a hamburger and you take it from both of them, you did the same thing, but it hurts one of them way more than the other. The action being identical doesnt mean what you did was "equal" or "fair" because like in my analogy the starting point isnt equal.
Theres no such thing as "blackwashing".
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raysona In reply to remuko [2019-07-09 15:20:51 +0000 UTC]
That only works if you can prove that there is racist intent meant by the drawing. If white washing exists then the opposite must as well, if even only in mere possibility. I get what you're saying and i mostly, i do. But if you took a beloved character and made them black people would be upset by it. Should they not be? What i am saying is that it seems like you're saying that since white people are much better represented and historically perceived as good that the opposite cannot exist for them right? Since white people are perceived as oppressors they cannot be oppressed and if that is done than it is deserved? But non-whites can never be oppressive right?
I am not trying to attack you or be provocative. I am only trying to make sense of this.
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remuko In reply to raysona [2019-07-10 15:58:17 +0000 UTC]
Nope. Intention is meaningless. It doesnt matter if you were ignorant or well meaning. If you do or say something racist, its still racist.
The opposite of white washing could exist in theory, but not in reality. The world isnt perfect. Not everything has an "opposite". If things were totally equal, and black people has equal representation in media to white people, then yeah blackwashing could be a problem, but since thats not the case it isnt a thing.
No they shouldnt be. As long as being white wasn't a core part of who they are or their story, no one should care if they are made black. And in most cases "white" doesnt even mean something other than how they look.
Yes, because of those things it cant exist and they arent/cant be oppressed. Non-whites can be oppressive, just not to whites. PoC can oppress each other.
Let me give an example. Merida from Brave is probably a good example. She is white and being scottish who are (especially back around the time that it is set) almost exclusively white is a big part of her character etc because of this. She should not be made black or any other race. Most white characters especially if theyre not human, dont have to be white and the fact they were white before was entirely arbitrary (if not racist to begin with) and thus them being changed to any other race, regardless of how "nostalgic" you are/claim to be (using the general you here not meaning you specifically) for the original look, is totally fine.
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SnakeAndCactus In reply to raysona [2019-07-09 20:11:08 +0000 UTC]
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raysona In reply to SnakeAndCactus [2019-07-09 20:18:32 +0000 UTC]
Oh i agree with all of this, thank you.
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Shen-fn-Woo In reply to ??? [2019-07-09 14:55:54 +0000 UTC]
Actually, they should complain. If you're going to draw the character, draw them the way they were presented
I don't remember saying it was racist though.
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raysona In reply to Shen-fn-Woo [2019-07-09 14:58:22 +0000 UTC]
I didn't say you said it was racist. Don't put words in mouth. No this is fanart, an artist can draw a character however they wish to.
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Shen-fn-Woo In reply to raysona [2019-07-09 15:02:24 +0000 UTC]
Then I don't understand why you brought up racism in the first place.
And this is feedback. A person has the right to respond however they wish to.
See how that works?
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raysona In reply to Shen-fn-Woo [2019-07-09 15:08:20 +0000 UTC]
It was not an attack on you, just on others who might think it was racist. Did i say that you could not complain? See how that works?
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Shen-fn-Woo In reply to raysona [2019-07-09 15:18:22 +0000 UTC]
You have a thing for making implications and then bullshitting your way out of it when someone points it out. XD
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raysona In reply to Shen-fn-Woo [2019-07-09 15:23:04 +0000 UTC]
Said the pot calling the kettle black I have made no implications. All i have said is that the most likely reaction to this drawing is a racial one. I have not said that anyone who comments against this means that at all. I am not bullshitting at all.
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Shen-fn-Woo In reply to raysona [2019-07-09 15:35:06 +0000 UTC]
You brought up racism when no one was talking about racism.
You thought I'd find it okay if someone blackwashed a character instead.
You assumed that stating an artist can do whatever they want with fanart would logically stop me in my tracks or something (else why would you even bother bringing that up).
All this because you couldn't avoid bait....
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raysona In reply to Shen-fn-Woo [2019-07-09 15:42:53 +0000 UTC]
You brought up white washing which can be perceived as racist. Sorry if i misinterpreted. No i did not think you would find it OK, i never said that. No i did not mean that either. An artist can do whatever they want but that does not mean no one can call them out on it. Sorry, i'm bait impaired. Look, i don't want to fight, i never meant to start anything. You did though, by leaving your bait.
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Shen-fn-Woo In reply to raysona [2019-07-09 15:57:10 +0000 UTC]
I'm saying that I was trolling the entire time, dude.
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raysona In reply to Shen-fn-Woo [2019-07-09 15:59:25 +0000 UTC]
I get that. But try not to be so obvious OK?
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Shen-fn-Woo In reply to raysona [2019-07-09 16:03:07 +0000 UTC]
Problem with that is that it's supposed to be.
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raysona In reply to Shen-fn-Woo [2019-07-09 16:05:53 +0000 UTC]
OK. I just feel so stupid right now. It's not your fault but since i've always had really low self esteem i feel awful.
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gdpr-45967568 In reply to ??? [2019-07-09 13:51:06 +0000 UTC]
Very nice. You did an excellent job.
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Vader2222 [2019-07-09 13:48:22 +0000 UTC]
I swear you guys are getting faster with you’re art
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