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-antoine had a metal sonic self-destruct right in his face, putting him into a coma, only for flynn to confirm in the lost hedgehog tales that antoine was gonna die: twitter.com/Alex_Hedgefox2/sta…-sally was robotisized, turning her into mecha sally, but eggman took this a step further by weaponizing her and taking out all of the initial robotisized parts and replacing them with regular robot parts, meaning sally couldnt be turned back to normal cuz the initial parts that used to be organic no longer exist, leaving her to be a robotic corpse cuz you cant derobotisize something that was never organic: youtu.be/s3J7yCKiLvs?t=1209 &youtu.be/Hn6YW5bkbIA?t=603
-rotor broke his back saving tails from being crushed by rubble when snively attacked their underground base, leaving him no longer capable of fighting on the team leaving him as a member of the knothole council
-bunnie was derobotisized by Naugus' ixin magic, leaving her unable to help the freedom fighters due to not standing a chance without her robotics
-nicole was ostrasized by new mobotropolis cuz mina mongooze had a nightmare about iron nicole and had the entire kingdom scared of her and wanted her gone
now before any of you say "but they appeared in the reboot so he didnt kill them", youre right, but the only reason why the freedom fighters were in the reboot was because of contractual obligation. meaning the only reason why they were in the reboot was because the original contract between sega and archie all the way back in the 90s, was about the dic cartoons, so the freedom fighters as well as other charaters like lupe, snively, scratch grounder and coconuts, etc. made it into the reboot was because they were grandfathered in from those original contracts.
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We dont have an answer to that and it shatters modern sonic canon
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To be fair thats not a hard task
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Could've said something like maybe eggman sent eggpawns to seek out the parts of the original metal sonic to reassemble him
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Maybe he just kept in storage like a trophy lol
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Both. Omega mounted the head above his fireplace. Eggman kept the body as a pinata
lol
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*shrugs* makes sense to me.
Why do i now wanna just see omega sitting in a cozy chair near a fireplace sipping on a cup of tea or cocoa....or motor oil idk.....just reading a book and glancing at his metal sonic trophy head
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Why is this a plot hole? It was explained in Sonic Forces AND in the comic that the Metal Sonic (and the other characters you face off against) were illusions created by the Phantom Ruby. At least read the comics and play the games and learn the facts, before you make baseless accusations like this.
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I'm not talking Forces or anything related to it but rather the games that came prior. To give a relevant case at the end of Sonic Heroes you see Omega and Shadow collecting Metal Sonic's body and... nothing. There's no follow up or addressing the point. Or how about Shadow's game contradicts SA2's events leading to GUN shutting down the ARK, killing the staff except Gerald Robotnik and Abram Towers (aka the GUN Commander). Or how about in Unleashed we have to go to several Gaia Temples instead of the Master Emerald shrine to restore the Chaos Emeralds. It's not adding new information so much as overriding the original for the sake of plot convenience; Or to use my choice phrase "Written by Idiots".
When people like me and ND discuss plotholes it's more addressing the inconsistency the games have and don't attempt to correct. These "baseless" accusations are more to inform the idea that just basing the comics off the games exclusively is a terrible idea as they cannot work together.
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Your example with the Emeralds and the Gaia Temples is flawed, because not only were the Emeralds restored by the temples, but their part of the world was, as well, and that was the main thing that Chip was trying to accomplish; once they figured that out, Sonic knew that he had to do it to restore the planet.
It's like the people arguing about these plot holes don't even understand the content they're arguing about...
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A fair point. I only made the brief example as to save time but allow me to go further in depth. The issues with the Gaia temples isn't their existence as a whole but their affiliation with the Chaos Emeralds. The temples themselves seem to serve a similar if not exact same role as the ME shrine, a place for the emeralds to restore their power. The fact that Unleashed doesnt go to Angel Island at all in its story brings this type of question up.
I can understand that the Gaia temples aren't well documented beyond manuscripts and their guardians but the fact they are affiliated with the Chaos Emeralds without defined purpose just raises further questions that won't be addressed. Thing is Sega could easily just said Gaia created the emeralds along with the planet and the connection is solved. Of course they'd have to explain the echidnas shrine and Chaos but it would answer why go to these locations besides plot convenience. It drives my point across that Sega just picks and chooses which parts of the franchise are canon for every new title.
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You're just speculating, at this point on things, and using that to fuel arguments that really should best be ignored. I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to stop you here and say "It's their continuity, we're here for the ride, either enjoy it or GTFO".
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I won't say you're wrong, but blaming the writers fully and solely for the bad writing is a fallacy; usually, it's not the writers that make these stupid changes, but the editors or the higher-ups, who don't know much of anything about the actual project in question and will demand changes because "It's what people expect" or "It looks cool" or "Because I like it". Take the recent split of the Classic and Modern style into their own universes; that was likely a mandate by the higher-ups to please both sides of the fandom, instead of trying to reconcile everything from the entire game lineup with what the fans want. I highly doubt that the lower-downs were more happy with this than the fans were, since it creates more plot holes than anything that came before (like how the events of Sonic Classic could be referenced in Sonic Modern, if they're two different universes that only crossed over in Generations and Forces).
At this point, I just chock it up to Sonic having a very loose continuity, like Mario or the Simpsons, and not any actual meaningful timeline that makes that much sense, and just roll with the punches, as a result. Besides, this isn't the first time that a franchise has made a similar mistake; I got totally confused after Kamen Rider Decade established every Kamen Rider series was its own continuity and the crossovers were non-canon, but then Zi-O comes around and says no, actually, all of the Riders are from the same continuity, just different eras... and now we have Decade thrown into that mix, as well, so who the hell knows? Stuff like that is very common, and in a franchise where very little matches up, it's best to take any sort of continuity-following with a huge grain of salt.
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I'm aware of situations like this. Writers can make mistakes and executives will only meddle in the development of the product. However my point that I've been trying to make, albeit doing poorly, is that Sega is inconsistent with its franchise and that causes problems. Best example of this is Knuckles. In some games they actually acknowledge his role as Guardian of the Master Emerald but is most games they ignore this so to include him into the story. Depending on the writer almost every detail of Sonic and the franchise are up to a "pick and choose" method. This is what makes new elements that are added so controversial as it supports the idea that Sega's staff just do whatever will make them money and not respect their own source material.
I'm not about to propose that they make 2000+ pages of Sonic's world and build up histories, battles, and full life stories of their characters. I only speak for myself but I'm sure a good sum of fans would appreciate if Sega remained consistent for more than 3 games.
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I can't fault you for that, and honestly, I sorta wish it, myself, but I'm coming to accept that it likely won't happen, and just shrug it off.
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Ian flynn wants the comics to be based of the games, but yet he adding characters that aren’t in the games. If the freedom fighters and returning characters from Archie join IDW sonic, he find a way to fuck them up like usual
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i know. im not mad that the freedom fighters arent included, im mad about the fucking lies spread about ian saving and fighting for the freedom fighters
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I’m pretty upset about everything, I like the freedom fighters along with Sally, but his way of eliminating everything and make it his own thing is annoying af
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I totally agree, Flynn has no respect for the proper meaning of each character and what they stand for. But, he especially has no respect for the freedom fighters.
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For real.
We're among those select people with common sense who tell it as it is.
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Ian Flynn Reveals his Hand on The Freedom fighters
**this is a copy of my journal from :iconsave-archie-sonic::**
so.....this is it. flynn has finally revealed where his allegiance lies when it comes to the freedom fighters.
get ready archie-sonic/satam fans, cuz this is probably gonna piss you off like you wouldnt believe.
so, earlier in the week, someone showed ian what naoto oshima has said about satam and the american version of sonic, and this is what ian had to say: https://twitter.com/IanFlynnBKC/status/1065721897084747777
now when he says "defunct", i would assume he means "cancelled" or "ended", cuz all of the shows he mentioned have all ended and have not gotten new episodes since.
but my friend catchuptheduck said this to me in response: "Still doesnt make sense cause even if those shows are cancelled, theres some importance to them if the characters are still active in some form."
but then the original person called him out for the possibility of the
Flynn and the Inconsistent lie/excuse for the FFok, i know i kinda already wrote a journal about this a while back: https://www.deviantart.com/save-archie-sonic/journal/Ian-Flynn-Reveals-his-Hand-on-The-Freedom-fighters-774006642
but that was moreso about ian admitting that he doesnt wanna use them, or very subtly saying it in a snarky way,
but ian has changed his excuse as to why he cant/wont use them at least 3 times
1. claiming sega doesnt own them/supposed legal issues: https://youtu.be/j1K_U52YZqg?t=71 & https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/454026927871623170/517204009723887616/Screenshot_166.png
2. claiming he doesnt know if he has access to them: https://twitter.com/IanFlynnBKC/status/1066839968625111040
3. https://twitter.com/IanFlynnBKC/status/1065721897084747777
4. claiming that its not his choice: https://twitter.com/IanFlynnBKC/status/1065721897084747777 (even though in that old game informer article: https://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2018/02/15/writer-ian-flynn-discusses-giving-the-sonic-comic-series-a-f
Yeah, we tell it like it is but the flynn fanboys and sjws spit on fans like us claiming we're all penders fanboys because we dont like ian flynn.
I like penders, but i also like karl bollers, scott fulop, dan slott, evan Stanley, and a bunch of the other writers that had respect for the freedom fightets
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you retarded toriyama kills krillin does he hate krilin sakura doesn't add sonic characters does he hate sonic no this is incredible flawed and overall your being a freedom fighter fanboy
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So true, Ian Flinn is a cock up merchant.
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A cock up artist.
Definition - An individual who takes a situation and/or product, and ruins it to the point of near no return, or to the point of no return all together.
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Nah, youve made your point
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No respect to the freedom fighters from Ian Flynn he is cruel man to them
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I think you need to really re-work this one.
You were on to something with the first part, but you end up just aimlessly ranting with everything else.
What you need is legit proof that he didn't fight "tooth and nail" against Sega to keep them in the book.
Let go over it in notes.
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i wanted to prove that he crippled and killed them
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but you need to take other factors into account.
Rotor and Nicole were back in action before the Mega Man crossover and Sally was already planned to be brought back with a new design along with Bunnie.
What you need to do is make a meme that proves he doesn't respect them that much if you want to prove your point.
For example, didin't he say he was planning to make Bunnie a villain?
What about the lesbian thing with Sally after that robotization thing?
You need better examples than what you used.
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i dont count rotor cuz he needed that fucken nanite suit cuz his back was still shattered.
and pretty sure at that point new mobotropolis still hated nicole and wanted her executed
as for sally and bunnie being brought back with new designs, that didnt happen until the reboot so any LHT bullshit doesnt exactly count
im pretty sure i did that here
ive never heard anything about making bunnie a villain.
and im pretty sure the sallyxnicole thing is a dead horse at this point and it isnt worth beating anymore.
i think the examples i used were fine
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Sally's redesign was pre-viewed over a full year before the reboot began.
And Ben Bates did the designing right before 225 was released. So it was planned for the pre-reboot years.
And I was told Ian planned Bunnie to be an antagonist in the Lost Hedgehog tales.
Lastly, at least Rotor was fighting again at all as a hero like he should be.
Again, you need better examples then this.
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sally's redesign was not in the comic pre-reboot
and i just said any LHT material doesnt count
rotor fighting in the nanite suit isnt him fighting, its the suit. much like how tony stark doesnt do anything cuz its the iron man suit doing everything.
i think the examples are fine the way they are.
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he still was apart of the freedom fighters again you think its just the suit doing everything he has to command and move his body and stuff seriously
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Youre missing the point. Ian fucked up rotor's back. Thats a serious injury.
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so your fucking pissed cause one of your favorite characters got hurt damn fanboyism 101
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No im pissed cuz ian is disrespectful to those characters
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by just giving rotor a suit and letting Nicole actually regain her people's trust and at least function right and sally getting ready to be turned back to normal yeah its safe to assume your butthurt because your favorite characters are injured some of them at least
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I agree with hogues on this; you're speaking as a pissed-off fanboy that doesn't want to accept that things have to happen in a comic for drama, and refuses to forgive a writer for them after he tries to mitigate or repair the damage from it. Do more fucking research into what Flynn himself said about the situations, before you accuse him of being heartless against the Freedom Fighters.
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Sir thank you have one brain cell at least maybe in 10
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I've got my own beef with Flynn on some things (like how he literally killed off Rotor's and Cobar's relationship by offing the latter), but I am more open and logical when it comes to this; I do more research into what goes on, I listen to both sides, and I come up with my own conclusion based on that information. Yes, he did damage Rotor's back and tried to shove him into the background, but once he realized in issues 215 and 216 that fans still loved him, he had a change of heart and worked to make him relevant again. Yes, he made people afraid of Nicole, but he also had Mina apologize to her for going that far with her disapproval of things and tried to make it work out. A lot of this guy's arguments can be summed up with "Yes, but...", "No buts, just yes", "But...", "NO BUTS!"
It's the equivalent of blaming J. Michael Straczynski for writing One More Day, when it wasn't his call to make, and he publicly spoke out against it afterward; he wrote it, so he's to blame, regardless of the extenuating circumstances or the attempts to make his dues for it. That's sickening fanboyism at its worst, and it's what I don't like about this franchise and its community.
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they never read Archie sonic have they they don't bother to read it
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