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First of all, before reading this, step off of those high horses of yours and open your mind to what I'm saying.
Are you off? Safe and unsaddled? Not tied up in the bridle? Good!
Before I start talking about tracing let me give you a bit of background information on myself. Me? I'm a very arrogant person sometimes. I often believe my way is right and always will be right, even if it's dead wrong. 
Recently I have been hating my art furiously (hence the empty gallery) so I sat for a while a couple nights ago and wondered WHY. Why do I feel my art is so amateur, and lacking, and underdeveloped for my age?
I found out the answer. My coloring is okay, I've never had any real problems with it. My drawing STINKS however. It really really stinks. Then I browsed around and realized that I wasn't the only one with this overdeveloped coloring and underdeveloped drawing skill. I saw many people with beautiful sense of color, depth, volume, yet when you remove all those fancy colors and look at the lines, they might as well be drawn by someone ten years younger than they're supposed to be. Some people even have PERFECT inking and lineart in itself but the anatomy.. Christ. Most distorted and nonsensical things I have ever seen.
The question is, how do sucky drawers such as myself remedy this? One answer is tracing.
Now before you go OMG HOW CAN CTJEMM SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT SO IS ALL HER ART TRACED OMG TRACING IS FOR PEOPLE WHO CANT DRAW AND BABIES OMG -- relax, breathe and read on.
Tracing is a learning mechanism. Plagarizing art by tracing anime screenshots, or even other people's art and posting it as your own is NOT what I am talking about. Push that element of it out of your mind and never go back to it again, it is NOT what I am referring to, and totally out of the question.
I mean tracing out of real life. Eyeballing will not help as much as tracing does, not in this case.
The first thing you must realize - People all use references.
If you ever say that "I never use references, ever!" - then frankly you're being an idiot. Even if you don't have a physical reference or picture in front of you, you imagine the shape and look of things in your mind. In your mind where do you think that comes from? It comes from memory. Memory of what? Nature. You use nature as a reference, you use real life and things around you to refer to when you draw. Still think you don't use references? If so it's okay, I had my moment like you too where I thought I was ttly original and amazings too dawg.
Now back onto tracing. Lately I've started taking stock photos and photography I find online and collecting them so I can trace them. No, I haven't posted any of these to dA, they are simply practise and are not (well not in my opinion) any kind of art fit for posting. Now I'll show you what I do with these photos. I've asked Whimsical-Dreams and vastblue for help in this little journal, and she's given me permission to use one of her beautiful photos as an example 
So I saved the picture and started tracing away. She has a very lovely body with epic proportions so it's a good example for practise.
See how useful it is to study by tracing for yourself.
1: I took the image into painter. I faded it so I could see what I'm doing, and traced the general silhouette of her body on a new layer. Yes, traced, not eyeballed. Eyeballing will just make me automatically distort the proportions prematurely because my perception of this photo is not how it literally IS. This is not what I want, so I TRACE it.
2: Now that I have the silhouette, this is where the learning starts. How many of you know about head proportions? It's a very important part of anatomy, and distorting proportions properly is only possible if you know how they go in the first place. This is what I have biggest problems with. From the trace, I learned these things.
- Whimsical-Dreams 's body can very well be a standard cartoon adult body. She is 8 and a half to 9 heads tall.
- On the 9 head tall body, the shoulder lies at 1 and a half heads.
- the breasts will range from two to two and a half heads high (from the crown of her head)
- The waist lies at 3 and a half heads.
- The hips lie at 4 heads
- The crotch lies at 4 1/2 heads to 4 3/4 heads.
- The arms when hanging down reach 5 heads.
- The knees lay at 6 1/2 heads.
- The upper arm reaches 3 1/4 heads, and
- the nose ends at halfway through her first head.
Still hate tracing with a burning passion? No worries. Read on, read on.
3: I have a basic body to work with. But let's say you don't feel like this picture is fully yours yet, as you just 'ripped' a pose off of some photo (despite how much you just learned.
) Okay so for some reason, let's change the pose. It's easier to change the pose more accurately now because we have the body shape DIRECTLY under. It's your boundaries, your guide. Eyeballing cannot compare to this type of tracing because remember I said that your perception can mislead you. To avoid that, keep your guide directly in your sight. So using that guide we just made, I drew my own pose. I moved the limbs, now that I have the correct proportions to work with, I can also distort them. Let's say I want to make a cartoon character. Character design in cartoons identify the feminine very unrealistically but no matter. Let's give her narrower shoulders, a longer yet narrower torso and bigger, more spread facial features.
4: Now that you have YOUR pose with YOUR proportions, most of all, correctly made (somewhat), You can even draw some slutty-looking animu chick with it. w @
So anyway with all this rambling my point is that tracing is not all fire and brimstone like people especially on deviantart make it out to be. I understand, tracing has a bad stigma because of how it's non-constructively used, and people associate tracing with not learning anything, and attention whoring and whatnot. But it is not all that. It doesn't have to be that at all. You can use any method to learn and I had to learn (the hard way) that tracing benefits people more than they're willing to admit. So with a little humility and change of mentality that you're too 'awesome', 'advanced' and 'too old' to trace, I hope this changes your mind. I've been drawing for years, I'm familiar with anatomy. But it needs serious improvement and tracing is helping me so much in filling in the gaps that remain. It helps, and it works. I'll continue using this mechanism to learn, because it's amazing. Personally I don't think it makes sense to trace from other illustrations, since they are already distorted in someone else's style. I don't think I can learn anything from that, as I just have a bunch of broken rules to work with. Real people, buildings, cars, and animals will help.
So next time you see someone tracing to learn, instead of flaming them to kingdom come, yelling, screaming and biting at them, why not suggest a better way to trace? Or show them how it can help them learn to make their own work instead? Community is not about hurting people and witch-hunting people off of dA if you don't agree with their methods, it means a lot more than that.
You can get back up on your high hors- whoops! it ran away!
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This is amazing! I never thought of using tracing to learn 
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it's okay, whoever said tracing was bad is thinking of plagarizing two completely different things! my teachers encourage tracing anatomy all the time, so you learn proportions properly.
I do it too; when i see a pose i can't quite draw myself i trace it a couple times to get the hang of it and then try it on my own. It never looks 100% but it's learning right? i've been tracing and drawing muscles all these months (hence why i have no new pictures either) because i feel my art is lacking too.
100% agree with you on this one, and whoever doesn't should get a boot in their keester.
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Thank you 
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I agree that it can help you learn. What bends people out of shape is when people blatantly trace and be all in denial about it, or say that they do trace and don't give a damn.
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your proportion is a bit off but, good way to improve
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Yep it's still a lot off but with practise I'll get it right
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you will, you will
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:3 when i was five i use to trace pictures out of my coloring books so i can color them over and over again xD my parents would wonder why i never asked or needed a new one. and then when i turned 7 i was able to draw just by looking at the picture without tracing :3 and now i can do it with my own image in my head or one inpired by real life people or things
so i think this really can be a good learning device. :/ just dont go stating that you drew it all on your own if you traced/copied it
that's what i believe
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Great journal. I totally agree with this sort of tracing but most of the time all you see are anime screen shots that have been traced in PS or something similar and that's really what people have a problem with (including myself).
I used to (and sometimes still do draw lines and circles where the bones and joints of a picture I print off. I really don't consider that tracing, it's more like memorizing the general skeletal structure. I don't know really; if you look up 'trace' in the dictionary it means to discover so then all of us artists are tracers.
I started out tracing but it never did me any good and I could never say 'yeah I drew that' so I quit tracing and a few years later started 'eyeballing' and that helped/s me to draw better.
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What people (not you but I'm using this comment to clarify anyway) are misinterpeting here is that I think tracing over photos is okay to make lineart for drawing and coloring. No it's not (unless it's a free stock photo or you took your own photos, or if you got permission from that photographer). I mean to show people how tracing can be used as part of the learning process, and I in no way encourage anyone to use this as a crutch to get art done. I don't trace over photos when I do art that I post here, none of my art that is posted here ever used that technique. However, I simply do it for practicing my anatomy, and no matter what people say about it harming me, it HELPED and continues to help me. I learned a lot doing it, and I must share for people who struggle with their own anatomy.
No one has ever seen my practice sketches, because it's not art. I don't mean for it to be art. It's nothing but a learning tool.
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I think you braking everything down to an understanding level is very helpful for people
<3
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You are too, how else would I learn about taking photos?
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I suppose i'm fine with tracing as long as the traced art isnt posted as their own. Its fine for practice, as long as you try to learn and observe from it, as you have. But i dont know if alot of people would take the time to do so. You had editted your traced image and made it your own, which is acceptable in my eyes.
When i was younger i used to trace and copy, and i believe that's why i'm pretty good with proportions right now. It's funny how my friend and i were just talking yesterday about how so many professionally-colored images seem to be drawn so incorrectly. I believe it also depends on what youre tracing though. If youre tracing a RL image, but the person's anatomy doesnt qualify with the rules of drawing, then it would be hard to learn from. This model seems to have perfect anatomy, so it worked quite well.
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.... I feel like I should point out that she may be 9 heads tall because her head in that photo is tilted back a bit, making it look smaller, and the head height count bigger.
The best way is still to make your friend or somebody hold still while you sit there and measure them with a measuring stick, and transfer your measurements to a piece of paper. And then draw the figure. It's difficult and takes a while, but the extra discipline works wonders.
I still say tracing doesn't help--well, if a smart person such as yourself does it maybe, but... would you still be able to do that without some guide underneath? I wanna see that. :/ I'm... really disappointed that you'd encourage tracing. Not that that matters, I know it doesn't. But so many are going to abuse this method now and use it as their crutch.
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oh and also, if you doubt my drawing skill, feel free to. If you want to decide that I can't draw without tracing now, feel free to as well (though I'm a bit insulted that you think I can only make it by using your idea of a 'crutch'). every image I have posted out of my gallery is drawn from scratch, nothing but what I show you in my journal used the method I described. And yes it's more wonky than with the tracing like in this journal, so what? I'm learning just like you are, hence why I find the tracing helpful in the first place. It fixes anything I am unsure about so I can apply it to my own illustration.
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.... Are you like, extremely stressed out right now, or did I piss you off? ._. Which now I think I should point out I sent my long ramble before I saw this at all.
First two sentences of that are really extreme. :/ Obviously you can draw without the guide, I meant can you draw as well as you can with the guides without them, or do you have to go back and look? I said others would abuse it and use it as a crutch, not that you would.
I just mean that there's better ways than tracing. I guess you could figure out proportions using that method, if the figure's head and everything are straight, but there are so many other things that go into an illustration that you just can't get from tracing. I use guide lines all over my shit to stop it from looking wonkier than it already does, being cartoony and all. That's something I picked up out of a book--a how to draw manga book, even.
I'm sorry I insulted you, alright? I just know that there's better ways to learn these things than tracing. None of my teachers have ever traced, and their works are incredible. And I'm learning from them, so.... yeah.
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extremely stressed? always
Seriously, re-read what you said and guess how I'd feel by that. But whatever, we move on, this is life 
You talk of the tracing I described as if it's plagiarizing. Did I steal your work? Did I pass someone's photo as my own? Tell me, please. I'm not showing anyone how to plagiarize here. There's not only one way of making good art either. Ask any professional and SUCCESSFUL illustrator if there's one set clear cut way of drawing and doing art and each of them will laugh in your face. You speak as if you're so above this method that you dare not do it (that's again your perogative) but you're so 'disappointed in me' as if showing people a legitimate and effective way to learn anatomy is me killing someone's baby. Did I do something wrong? Is this journal wrong? Am I telling people how to rip off from others? No, I am not. I am showing them the benefits of a long-shunned drawing technique that's shunned mostly because of misunderstanding. If they choose to use it as a crutch, that's their business. If I choose to use it to iron my kinks out of anatomy problems, that's my business. I am not an art student, no one tells me how to draw and I just may not have a whole line of friends waiting for me to measure them. Most people on dA are like me - we use what we can so we can learn.
If people want to be morons then let them, Rachel. Anything made for good can be abused. Anything. That is not my choice. That's theirs.
Anyway I'm already much better, I see your point of course and I do still (of COURSE) think you're an awesome person, and I still like you a total lot. I guess here is just a spot where we disagree
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I know there's not one clear-cut way of learning to draw and draw well--it's just I know that there's better ways than tracing, that's all, and I'm seeing how my teachers work as good examples of that when I say this. One of them tells me to work how I work. He's not telling me any specific way, just do what I do, and make it look good. So yeah, I definitely know that there's no set way to work. I just... still don't think you can learn too much from tracing. Like I said, I'll try it sometime just to see for myself, and I'll let you know what happens. But then again, most of my teachers are traditional artists who've never touched a tablet, and most of the time have us drawing on paper, so maybe this is a good way, I dunno.
I... have nobody I can stare at to draw anymore, I just sit in the park and doodle the people who walk by.
Anyway, I could talk forever on how to learn art because it's something that just eats away the back of my head as I feel like I'm not as good as I should be at my age, like you, but yeah. Glad you're better and at least see my point.
Seriously though, I'll try it out eventually. I'd do it now if I didn't have 2 large art projects and an essay I have to write, all due next week.
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Good luck with the projects Rach.
and no worries at all. we can talk about it more later on MSN <3
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Thanks.
And yes. Definitely. Next time I'm on if you remember, poke me, because I know I'll forget otherwise.
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It's okay. I should be on tonight when I get back from school <:
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They can abuse it if they like but what does that have to do with me? I cannot control their actions if they choose to abuse it and use it like a crutch, I give people advice on how to use the method, they can do what they want with it afterwards. You're acting like I'm telling people to trace art and photos and post it as their own work.
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You know as well as I do that people will in fact take it that way. ._. I know you wouldn't encourage that but... people are morons.
As I said, I already know it doesn't matter to you that I'm disappointed. But you could've just as easily gone and looked up what the average person's proportions are, and then checked yourself as you work to make sure you're sticking to them. And then eventually it'll just come naturally what the correct way is, and then you could exaggerate when you get comfortable. I don't see what point there was in tracing the image to begin with--couldn't you have made that proportions chart using just the photo?
I am an art student, yes. But the only thing we have ever traced is architecture to learn three-point perspective. In fact, our current project, we're moving one of the vanishing points. Before we did that, I didn't see at all how tracing buildings would help us learn perspective, but now I do.
In my life drawing for illustrators class, we do these 10 minute sketches called dictates. He describes to us a person of some age in a pose at some angle wearing some specific clothing, and we have to lay out and render it as correctly as we can in just those 10 minutes in china marker. You see just how much knowledge you're missing from doing these drawings, but it encourages you to look around at people and study crotches, study how pants fabric moves as people walk, what chairs really look like, what happens when something bends, etc.. Things you can't so much get from tracing because photographs don't move for one, and many of them are posed as well. You're better off looking around and memorizing it than using a photo for anything.
There is still better ways than tracing to learn the correct proportions. Look at yourself. I actually learned that the thumb bone furthest from the rest of my hand--thumbnail to knuckle area--is the same size as my eyeball just from looking for these things. Put your thumb over your eye--they're really close. You wouldn't get little things like that from tracing.
If you want to learn like this, fine. I know you're stubborn, and I know I can't change your way of thinking. I don't think you're going into art anyway--if you are, correct me, I thought you had some other career choice planned. But I really don't think you'll get as much from this as you could if you borrowed some anatomy books, sketched people outside, or just looked yourself over whenever you needed a little help remembering something.
If I ever get free time to experiment with learning methods, perhaps I'll try this just to see if I do get anything new out of it. I don't think I will, but I'll give it a go.
And if that long ramble made sense to you, awesome.
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What you say in this journal is true, but when people say anything remotely close to what you said, idiots misinterpret it.
What you described is something I've been aware of for years, but say this to an anime screenshot tracing twit and they will twist it to justify their means. Lol, it's happened.
I strongly encourage the use of a reference, but once again, idiots twist good advice. That's another reason why I think people get defensive about using a reference. I don't think it's always that they're cocky, although that is the case pretty often. I think they just don't want to be associated with the anime screenshot tracing twits who misuse the term "reference."
I'm glad you posted this though. The smarter ones will use this information wisely and apply it to their learning.
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Hopefully the smarter ones will. If the dumber ones choose to abuse it as a crutch, that's their problem
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*laughs* I agree with so much of that. Part of me still says they shouldn't really post it or at least keep it posted for long (hid is in scraps if you must have it *shakes fist*). I do trace something but I never post what I do. I used to trace a lot of animals from old books my dad had in his library. I didn't see anything wrong with that because I learned a bit more about the animal and maybe I could draw it a little better next time without tracing. It's very hard to draw without tracing. Even I can admit that.
And what you said about referencing from nature and memory is so true! Even a 5 year old drawing a house will try to draw it as he remembers it some what he's seen.
I love what you did there though 
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Nah, I never post it at all, it's just practice.
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*nods* I didn't mean you did. Sorry if i sounded like it ^.^''
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oh don't worry I know what you meant :33
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I actually learned to draw by tracing first then going from there. then I started reading tutorials, Lol
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yeah i read tutorials first and then just winged it on my own, I was too conceited and proud to 'stoop to the level' of tracing.
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Pretty much, oddly enough, tutorials are great unless you follow them die hardly... which just means you're mimicing someone else and it's no better than tracing >.<
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I use reference when I'm studying, but I don't know if I'd ever incorporate it (for figures, at least) into my actual work. Once you spend enough time figuring out how to construct them, and 'what goes where' so to speak, finding reference just becomes an inane process. F'sho.
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Great writing!
I don't think that tracing is only for learning. This week I started drawing a comic and used tracing for doing urban backgrounds from photos. It not only helps getting the desired proportions but makes the work considerably faster!
Doing art, whether traced or not, is not a matter of what, but of how. Tracing something doesn't necessarily means that you are ripping off the reference, as eyeballing also doesn't mean that you aren't.
Many artists in History that are worshipped as masters in drawing worked with tracing. Before scanners and Corel Painter were invented, people had inventions to make art by tracing. Google about "camera obscura". David Hockney'd written a book on this matter, "Secret Knowledge" (I only had the opportunity to quickly glance on it
Tracing illustrations can be useful if someone wants to learn how to do art according to some specific styles (like some manga genres), but, as you said, this person has to learn the real thing first!
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Could this be what I need to get myself out of my funk?!?!
Seriously, I've hit a brick wall with my art. I think I'll fiddle around with this after I finish the image I'm working on.
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It definitely got me out of mine!
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