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Writing for Profit
It's Not just an Adventure - It's a JOB.

Whoever told you that writing fiction for publication - for money - is supposed to be Artistic, Fun, or Easy -- LIED.

Writing may look artistic, and creative writing certainly is artistic (that's why they call it Creative Writing,) but writing for a living; writing for publication with the intent to get paid on a regular basis is NOT artistic, it's NOT always fun, and it certainly is NOT easy.

Writing for publication is WORK. Sure, some of it is fun, but the bulk of it is mind-bending, eye-straining work. Don't get me wrong, creativity is part of the job of writing for a living, but if you think us professional writers turn on "the Creative Muse" at 8 AM and shut her back off again at 5:30 PM then you are missing the point entirely.

The Road to publication is paved with glamorous Half-Truths.

• Half-Truth: "If you write it someone will publish it."
• Whole Truth: "If you write it and the publisher is already looking for it, they'll publish it."

If you have written a spectacular SCI-FI story and the Publisher is looking for a Mystery story, they will pass over your wonderful SCI-FI for a Mystery with only half the quality of your SCI-FI, because Mystery is what they have an opening for - not SCI-FI.

When they hang onto your stuff for months - or even years - at a time? Think of it this way: They're probably waiting for an opening that they have the perfect story for.

• Half-Truth: "Once you're in with a good publisher you're in for life!"
• Whole Truth: "Once you're in with a good publisher you have to prove that you can Write on Demand."

While your name is still sitting on the `net (or the shelf,) you have until the next publishing cycle to punch out another story equally as good. (One month for your average magazine and one year for a novel.)

Only this time, the publisher is going to tell you what they want: "Gimme the same story, different characters, same plot arc but move some stuff around. Oh, and this time, don't have them do this, the readers don't like it, have them do that instead." (Sigh.)

Look at it this way: You don't have to guess what the publisher wants this time around.

• Half-Truth: "Once I'm in with a good publisher I can write whatever I want."
• Whole Truth: "If you want to stay with that good publisher you better write what they want, when they want it, in the way they want it written."

You're going to tell the publisher that you will only write what YOU want to write? Do you really think any publishing house is going to hire a writer that won't do what they want them to do? Unless you are Susie Bright or Anne Rice: "Game-Over, man. Game-Over."

Time to go back to your desk, find a new pen name, punch out yet another novel and go through the whole damn thing all over again to find another publisher. Only this time your new publishing house will call your old publishing house and ask what the problem was. Why aren't you with Them anymore?

Let me repeat myself: Do you really think a publishing house is going to hire a writer that won't write what they want them to write?

You want to make money? Then you knuckle under and work your butt off to deliver what the publisher is asking for.

Writing for Publication is NOT about creativity. It's about MONEY.

Writing for a living is about sitting at a desk in an office every day and WRITING whether or not you `feel like it'. Does this make you less artistic? Does this mean that you are not being creative? Does this make you a hack writer?

Forget all that stuff - it makes you EMPLOYED.

What else would you call it? Authors telecommute their work and progress to their editors and get paid for it. The faster they write the faster they're paid. The better they conform to the publishing house's demands, the better they are paid. End story.

A publisher is in the business of selling Books or Magazines not displaying Art or promoting Literature. They are looking for what THEY want, WHEN they want it in the WAY they want it. Period. If you can sneak interesting, different and Creative writing in between their formulaic demands GREAT! They Love that, but in the mean time the rest of your work had better conform to what they want.

What if the Muse strikes and you get a terrific idea? Great! Write it between assignments and make the publisher PAY through the nose to get it.

• Half-Truth: "I can make a fortune writing Erotica."
• Whole Truth: "You can make a fortune writing Erotica - if you sell it to a top publishing house, and it ends up on the New York Times Bestseller list in one of the top 5 positions."

Erotic Romance is currently the most profitable genre in both the eBook market and in New York. (Which is why I write it.) Authors for ePublishing Houses like Loose Id, Mojo Castle, Changling Press, and Samhain are making rather tidy - and regular - royalties on their erotica novels, but not a fortune.

If xXx is the way you really wanna go, writing a sex-story or Porn Letter for an adult magazine or eZine is much faster and far easier to crank out at volume. It's also steadier work than erotica and it pays better per word count. ($25.00 to $150.00 per letter, roughly 2 cents a word, at 15,000 words max.) Not to mention that you don't have to worry about characterization or plot, just spelling and grammar.

What? Did you think adult magazine Letters were written by Amateurs? Hell no! Those are professional writers. Trust me, a magazine editor will accept and pay more for a letter written by a professional writer than anything written by an amateur. In addition: the more expensive the magazine, the more they'll (probably) pay their writers.

Note: The writing standards for Erotic Romance markets are FAR higher than those asking for porn stories. Translation: To publish Erotic Romance, you have to use basic grammar, characterization and an actual PLOT.

-----Original Message-----
"What a wonderful rant! And here I was thinking that perhaps my being a mercenary writer was an anomaly! Fortunately, I have been doing everything you state here since I started, and people have become very annoyed with me because I keep succeeding when they fail… But even writing isn't everything. Your post didn't go far enough...

• Half-Truth: "Once your masterpiece is in print, people will buy it, love it, and demand more."
• Whole Truth: "People will buy it if they KNOW about it, will love it if the reviewers tell them it's wonderful, and will demand more if they know more are possible."

You also have to SELL.

Sell yourself, sell your book and sell your ability to do it all over again. The publisher doesn't want to work. They want to put the book on the shelf and have people slavering over it. But that doesn't just *happen* all by itself. Someone has to hype it, and it won't be the publisher.

The author must tell the readers. The author must solicit the reviewers, must produce press releases and attend book signings and make sure the readers know there will be new books.

But thanks for bolstering me up a bit. It's a lonely life in front of the computer, pushing and pushing to get noticed. Apparently, it's worth the trouble!"

~ Cathy Clamp ~ Published Author
(Posted with permission.)

Does all this seem like Too Much Work?

The average 60k category-length book takes 6 to 8 MONTHS to write.

• And then you have to Edit the manuscript, which takes about a month just for typos - that's if you already know your grammar and have the basics of story structure.
• And then you have to Shop it to the publishers, this alone can take YEARS, (Christine Feehan had a over half a dozen full novels WRITTEN before she was noticed by her publisher.)
• And then you have to negotiate with the publishers, which can take months just in haggling over contract clauses.
• And then you have to Edit the story AGAIN to what the Publisher thinks they can sell. This can mean ripping out whole hunks of plot and rewriting your characters to make them more suitable for THEIR reading audience. Add a few more months.
• And then it may be a Year or More before it ever shows up on the shelf.

Don't even THINK about royalties unless you sell spectacularly well. And even if you do sell well, royalties won't even show up until a full YEAR AFTER PUBLICATION.

Writing Is NOT a Get-Rich-Quick career - by any means.

Writing is TIME CONSUMING hard freaking work. Make no mistake - Writing for Profit is a 24/7 JOB - not something you pump out on the weekends when you're bored.

If you are prepared for the realities of Publication, you CAN Profit, in the long run. But - Not everyone wants to devote their entire waking life to research and typing.

The big question is: What Do YOU Really WANT?

What is more crucial to your Personal Writing Happiness?

Your Artistic Expression?
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Then you are a "Recreational writer"; someone who writes for the sheer pleasure of doing something creative. You are an Artist. Your future consists of publishing one 'great work', with the possibility of publishing another 'great work' a few years (or more) later on down the road - and never with the same publishing house.

Making Money?
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You are a "Mercenary writer" who has their own home office -- with a door -- that will pump out what ever is asked for in a timely, professional manner. You are one of the few, the proud, and the paid regularly. You don't need a day job because writing IS your day job, only it's 24/7 without holidays -- or insurance.

Anne Rice wrote Adult fiction under the name: AN Roquelaure. Horror author Steven King wrote for magazines, and Romance author Nora Roberts, also known as JD Robb, made her money writing Harlequin romances. Dean Koontz used to write smut and gothic romance to pay his bills. These authors worked their butts off writing whatever their publishers asked for all by themselves with no support, until they made a name big enough to dictate their demands to their publishers.

Fame?
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That makes you an "Aspiring Author". Your future consists of one great work that is most likely your own personal memoirs. Sadly, the only memoirs and biographies being published today are those belonging to big name Celebrities. But that won't stop you! You have a Vision! A dream! And a full time job that allows you time in the evenings and weekends to type away on your computer -- when your spouse isn't using it, or your children.

How do I know all this?

I actually write fiction for a living. However, I was once the copywriter / publicist for one of the largest internet porn companies in the world. This is where I learned all about writing on demand. Somebody had to write all that filler text, and make it interesting.

I am currently living on my ebook royalties. That's right, paying my bills by writing Romantic SMUT full time. I write what I'm told to write, when I'm told to write it, about things that I'm told to write about because I'm being paid to do just that.

I'm a Mercenary.

Advice to the Burgeoning Writer

Write every spare moment you have and FINISH your story. Always have at least two people check your grammar and your sentence structure. Have at least two more people read your stuff and check it for:

• Readability: Can you tell exactly what's happening to who? And How?
• Story-Drag: Is it Boring? Did your reader skim over any of your paragraphs to "Get to the Good Stuff"?
• Effectiveness: Does it make your reader FEEL something? Happiness, sadness, angst, excitement, arousal?

BEFORE SUBMITTING ANYWHERE!!!

Read the Submission Guidelines carefully.
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Send the editors exactly what they are looking for. Close is not good enough. If they are looking for Erotic Romance, then your story had better be sexually explicit and involve a couple falling in love. You have to have both the sex and the Romance to interest an Erotic Romance publisher.

Be willing to work with the editors on requested changes.
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Many editors try to be gentle with their comments to new authors and have been known to understate what they mean. That does not make their comment random or invalid! If an editor goes to the trouble of noting something about your story, take it very seriously.

Remember: You are writing to Sell and Publication Editors are looking for authors to fill their readers requests. They are there to make their publishing house look good by making YOU look good.

This has been your Reality Check announcement.

Ookami Kasumi
Mercenary Writer – and darn proud of it.
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Comments: 274

OokamiKasumi In reply to ??? [2011-01-16 21:53:23 +0000 UTC]

...I don't know if I can handle the truth.

Yes, you can. You're a Big-Girl now.

While I'm not even close to an author or anything major in particular(still in first year of highs school *fail*), I feel that if I can't conform to the standards, what do I do?

First of all, you do Not give up. No one said you had to be published by the time you graduate high school. Though, just for the record, my very first short story was published when I was a junior, so it IS possible.

Hell, do you think it's still ok to even TRY NOT to be a mercenary writer & do what the publisher says?

Absolutely! You don't need to bother with that stuff until you have your craft perfected. That means you'll need to do LOTS of writing and posting on places like this first. Places like DA are the best for practicing and perfecting your style and craft. They don't care at all if it's not industry standard, so you can write as you please to please yourself until you're Ready to try doing it for money.

Just so you know, Yes I published my first story in high school, but I didn't publish my second until I was 32. By then I had learned a thing or two about putting a story together plus had quite a bit of life experience to write from.

I didn't think writing would be artistic, easy, or always fun, but I don't think that it shouldn't be unenjoyable at all.

It IS enjoyable -- especially when you don't have to go anywhere to do your job. You can work when you feel like it in the way you feel like it.

I see limitations as a creative challenge. In fact, the more limitations you put on me, the more I search for ways around the rules and ways to bend them.

Is it OK to still keep fighting to write what I want, whether or not it's in fashion?

Absolutely! Just learn from your experiences. Look at it this way, now that you know what you're up against, you won't get any nasty surprises.

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Plunger-Girl In reply to OokamiKasumi [2011-01-17 18:21:55 +0000 UTC]

You're a Big-Girl now.

M'kay, yes ma'am.

Though, just for the record, my very first short story was published when I was a junior, so it IS possible.

Huh, never knew that about you! I wasn't planing on highschool, actually, more like around my twenties... but I digress.

Absolutely! You don't need to bother with that stuff until you have your craft perfected.

That sounds like a good idea, actually. I was hesitant to put any of my writing up, in case someone stole it, but like "This Artwork/OC Belongs to me, DO NOT STEAL!" crowd, I think I'm being overly paranoid. (But I do know that lots of good work can be stolen, but that's another discussion). I have a buddy named Holly, and she already helps me out with my writing (we met over #Beta-Readers ~).

It IS enjoyable -- especially when you don't have to go anywhere to do your job. You can work when you feel like it in the way you feel like it.

...I remember reading some of the other comments here that you replied to, and you said that you worked in your pajamas... I like that idea a lot, actually.

I see limitations as a creative challenge.

That's actually a good way to think of them. I usually just like to have a subject and then go from there, but that's mainly in visual art. I think I'll see if I can apply this to my writing too.

Look at it this way, now that you know what you're up against, you won't get any nasty surprises.

Yeah, yeah! Alright then, I'll keep practicing(I was going to before, but this time around I can do it with zest). Thank you for your time, ma'am~

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OokamiKasumi In reply to Plunger-Girl [2011-01-18 12:40:55 +0000 UTC]

That sounds like a good idea, actually. I was hesitant to put any of my writing up, in case someone stole it...

Once you gather some fans, no one will be able to steal anything without them being flamed-bombed in a matter of minutes. Fan IS short for Fanatic, you know. ~wink

Think in terms of someone posting one of Heise's paintings and claiming it as theirs. Heise is so well known here on DA that it only takes half a glance to know she did it.

FANS are your best protection against theft. You're far more likely to get your story stolen if you're an Unknown.

I remember reading some of the other comments here that you replied to, and you said that you worked in your pajamas... I like that idea a lot, actually.

I do indeed work in my pajamas! Why get dressed if I'm not leaving the house?

"I see limitations as a creative challenge."
-- That's actually a good way to think of them. I usually just like to have a subject and then go from there, but that's mainly in visual art. I think I'll see if I can apply this to my writing too.

If you look at Submission Guidelines as Writing Prompts, it makes it so much easier.

Alright then, I'll keep practicing (I was going to before, but this time around I can do it with zest). Thank you for your time, ma'am~

Excellent! And, you're very welcome.

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Eowulia-MornElda In reply to ??? [2011-01-15 20:30:01 +0000 UTC]

Some things work a bit differently in France but most of it is the same. And it's entirely true.
It's good that someone takes some time to make all of these things clear.

All this "it's all about money" thing totally made me give up on writing for profit. Now it's only something I want to do as a hobby, and if I can get anything from it it's great, but else... I don't really care, I have another source of profit.

I think I just hate writing on demand...

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OokamiKasumi In reply to Eowulia-MornElda [2011-01-16 21:37:29 +0000 UTC]

I'm not real fond of writing on demand either, but I'm kind of stuck. I haven't got the temperament to hold a real job.

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Eowulia-MornElda In reply to OokamiKasumi [2011-01-16 23:53:11 +0000 UTC]

Well, I still admire you a lot for being able to work this way. For me, it would take a lot more to write on demand than to have a stupid, real job that would eat half of my time.
It depends on the people, but I wish I had not such mental barriers when it comes to writing.

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OokamiKasumi In reply to Eowulia-MornElda [2011-01-17 00:50:37 +0000 UTC]

Those barriers may exist now, but who knows? That could change in the future.

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Eowulia-MornElda In reply to OokamiKasumi [2011-01-17 01:00:05 +0000 UTC]

You're right, obviously. Hopefully it will...
Thank you again for these words and advice. This is more than helpful and motivating

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OokamiKasumi In reply to Eowulia-MornElda [2011-01-18 12:15:29 +0000 UTC]

I prefer to motivate in positive ways, but I believe that the truth; no matter how nasty, will help you in the end.

You can't be fooled if you already know what's out there.

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Arctic-Master In reply to ??? [2011-01-15 03:39:53 +0000 UTC]

o__o;; Sheesh, I knew it wasn't easy to begin with (I never expected writing for a living to be easy, let alone artistic. I can barely stick with the crap I'm working on), but sheesh...

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OokamiKasumi In reply to Arctic-Master [2011-01-15 08:22:03 +0000 UTC]

I look at it this way, ForeWarned is ForeArmed.
-- If you know what's coming, you can be prepared for it.

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Arctic-Master In reply to OokamiKasumi [2011-01-15 09:02:16 +0000 UTC]

Sadly, I'm more intimidated than forearmed. .__.;; As long as I don't crap myself, at least I still have my dignity and can keep moving on.

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OokamiKasumi In reply to Arctic-Master [2011-01-15 09:13:45 +0000 UTC]

Believe it or not, that was point behind the article -- to allow you to make an Informed decision.

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Arctic-Master In reply to OokamiKasumi [2011-01-15 17:29:47 +0000 UTC]

All and all, it's good to know that it was SLIGHTLY harder than I expected. And by slightly harder, I mean I already EXPECTED it to be a rough sail from the dock. XD If I ever do take up a career in that, I'll bear it in mind and maybe take it up as part time. If people like it, MAYBE I'll take it up full time... either that or hire a secretary to manage my time slots. D:

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OokamiKasumi In reply to Arctic-Master [2011-01-16 22:22:29 +0000 UTC]

Well, at least now you know exactly what to expect.

I did it part time for a number of years before I was able to quit the day job. As a matter of fact, I know quite a few best-selling authors that have full-time jobs in addition to their writing careers, and many more with husbands that work full-time so you won't be alone.

...hire a secretary to manage my time slots. D:

ALL of the bigger name authors have secretaries just to deal with all the fan stuff, so Plan on it! LOL!

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pinksenshi In reply to ??? [2011-01-14 19:49:48 +0000 UTC]

You did not mention Agents. I have heard it is better to find an agent and let them deal with the publishers. If you are able to get a good agent does much the above still apply? What would be different?

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OokamiKasumi In reply to pinksenshi [2011-01-15 08:19:46 +0000 UTC]

Agents are literary lawyers. Their function is to negotiate your contracts for you for 15% of Your Cut. Just for that alone they are worth their 15%.

However, they can also be your worst nightmare if you don't have a good personality fit. (I did NOT have a good fit with mine.)

The best way to get an agent is Get The Book Contract from the publisher First THEN call the agent of your choice and ask them to represent you to the publisher that has Already Agreed to contract you. I have yet to here of one say "No thank you, I'll pass." to a contract already in the bag.

If you go ebook however, you don't need an agent.

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blackpolarity In reply to ??? [2011-01-14 18:45:20 +0000 UTC]

It only further proves that society continues to rot under its own capitalist demands.

I'll continue to define myself as a Writer, with "for Artistic Expression" as an addendum. Under those tenets and processes, I doubt I'll ever get published in my lifetime. Maybe, one day, but that will be all I'll produce. I've always DREAMED to write something that would be remembered; to have something tangible to be left behind when I leave my mortal coil. Perhaps I was too naive and juvenile in my dreams - no doubt foolish of me to have them, in a publisher's eyes?

Yes, I will admit that this bursts my bubble proper. All adventures come with their hardships and tension, but being told what to do? I've lived my entire life that way. Frankly, I'm tired of living under a rug, to be stamped on whenever the higher-ups' feet need a good cleaning. I want to find my own life, something that I can be happy with and control the terms and conditions. Is it ridiculous? Possibly.

I had a fear that this would be the endgame for me. That I would find a seemingly impassable wall, stacked high and weighed down by the fat cats of some "BS" company. Facts are facts; I'm the mouse here. Oh well, it was a good run while it never lasted.

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OokamiKasumi In reply to blackpolarity [2011-01-15 08:24:39 +0000 UTC]

Well, publishing houses are a Corporate run Business. (shrugs)

Facts are facts; I'm the mouse here.

That's going to be true of ANY job you have. At least with writing, you get to do it at home in your pajamas.

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blackpolarity In reply to OokamiKasumi [2011-01-15 17:28:41 +0000 UTC]

Consider it wishful thinking. In the end, that's what makes me the failure and you the success. It's almost too difficult to accept that in almost all aspects of my life, beyond what to drink in the morning or how to cook my eggs, I will have little to no control. I'll die behind something worthless, practically forgotten even before death. Something, I imagine, that will break me.

Maybe I'll continue trying.

Thank you for your honesty and respect for your fellow authors. Even though I don't act like it; I appreciate it.

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OokamiKasumi In reply to blackpolarity [2011-01-16 22:17:31 +0000 UTC]

Just because you want to do your own thing your own way does NOT make you a failure!

It makes your road more difficult, yes, but not impossible. You just have to be very careful with who you submit to. There are magazines and anthologies that take purely original and creative work. They don't pay much, but they do exist.

I don't like it much either, but I really don't have an option. I don't have the temperament to hold a proper job. I HAVE to make it writing or I starve. Literally.

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BedeckedInBeads In reply to ??? [2011-01-14 18:31:12 +0000 UTC]

I had no idea the erotic romance genre was so large! This gives my lingering artistic writer hope! Granted I'm sure like anything the market for writing genres fluctuates.

Also what is your opinion of publishing electronically, say on the KINDLE or other e-reader device?

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OokamiKasumi In reply to BedeckedInBeads [2011-01-15 08:11:18 +0000 UTC]

I had no idea the erotic romance genre was so large!

Romance is still considered #1 among the print publishers, but Erotic Romance is fast taking over that market too.

Also what is your opinion of publishing electronically...?

I have three eBook (electronic book) publishers and one New York publisher because authors make a much, MUCH bigger royalty percentage with an ebook publisher than with regular publishers.

I will warn you right now, DON'T self-publish if you can avoid it. If you want to go electronic, get in with a reputable ebook publisher. You're far less likely to get screwed out of your money.

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BedeckedInBeads In reply to OokamiKasumi [2011-01-15 17:09:48 +0000 UTC]

Ah okay thank you so much for the heads up and the advice!

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OokamiKasumi In reply to BedeckedInBeads [2011-01-16 21:55:47 +0000 UTC]

My pleasure.

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katieinthebox In reply to ??? [2011-01-14 18:18:33 +0000 UTC]

Thanks this was helpful. My boyfriend is looking into editing or writing as a career, and it's nice to have a heads up about how the process actually works and what is expected. Fore warned is fore armed.

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OokamiKasumi In reply to katieinthebox [2011-01-15 08:03:30 +0000 UTC]

I'm glad you liked it!

Fore warned is fore armed.

Exactly!!!

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DrazziElder In reply to ??? [2011-01-14 17:41:38 +0000 UTC]

Hmm question. If you do manage to write a book that's different from what your publisher likes or is going for during your spare time or between projects. Is it possible that you can publish it with another publishing house or with some other person that's looking for the kind of project you wrote or do they frown at that? Because for example, most of what I write is Sci-fi or Fantasy so if I'm told to write something that stays within that area then I will be able to, but if I produce something that's romance or any other genre on the side, can I publish it if somebody is interested in it? Oh and btw, do you have any more info about ghostwriting? I'm kind of interested in knowing how that works since I think I've already done it without even being aware since I've written for a couple of friends before....

Sallie
(if you see any typos, sorry, it's kind of hard to type while eating ahahaha)

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OokamiKasumi In reply to DrazziElder [2011-01-15 08:02:54 +0000 UTC]

If you do manage to write a book that's different from what your publisher likes ... Is it possible that you can publish it with another publishing house or with some other person that's looking for the kind of project you wrote?

Absolutely! I have four. You can even use a whole different author name for different Genres.

Oh and btw, do you have any more info about ghostwriting?

Sadly, I don't. The one ghostwriter I knew well was very cagey on the details.

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DrazziElder In reply to OokamiKasumi [2011-01-15 17:24:37 +0000 UTC]

Well that's a relief! I have been thinking about what names I could use in the future depending on what I write but that's something I don't need to worry about right now. Too bad you don't have more info on ghostwriting but thanks for what you wrote here anyway.

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OokamiKasumi In reply to DrazziElder [2011-01-16 22:04:03 +0000 UTC]

The woman I knew who did ghostwriting was paranoid, to put it mildly. All I could get out of her was that her publisher noticed that her writing style matched another author's so he asked if she would write a novel for that author using an outline. She was successful, so he had her write more.

However, she wouldn't tell me what publisher she worked for or who's name she wrote under, only that it was several top name romance authors and that she did it for 10 years straight. Apparently, it was VERY good money, however it utterly ruined her own ability to write a story. She couldn't put a plot together if I handed her the pieces.

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DrazziElder In reply to OokamiKasumi [2011-01-16 22:13:36 +0000 UTC]

Well everything has its pros and cons I suppose. But I get why she was paranoid, ghostwriting demands a certain amount of secrecy to keep up the illusion I guess. Hey, now that you mention plot, I've been reading a pretty good book about that written by Noah Lukeman. The Plot Thickens: 8 Ways to Bring Fiction to Life, you might want to check it out. Some of the things he says seem obvious to some writers but others have helped me a lot. Oh I wanted to ask you something else, I don't know if you'll have the answer but I'll try anyway. English is mostly my second language, I'm sometimes afraid publishers/employers would take that piece of information and not take me seriously or something like that. Have you encountered people that have gone through situations like this?

Sallie

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OokamiKasumi In reply to DrazziElder [2011-01-16 22:52:36 +0000 UTC]

...I get why she was paranoid, ghostwriting demands a certain amount of secrecy to keep up the illusion I guess.

Oh yeah. She went on, and on, and on about the secrecy clauses in her contracts.

I've been reading a pretty good book about that written by Noah Lukeman. The Plot Thickens: 8 Ways to Bring Fiction to Life, you might want to check it out.

Sounds interesting! I love plotting books.

English is mostly my second language, I'm sometimes afraid publishers/employers would take that piece of information and not take me seriously or something like that. Have you encountered people that have gone through situations like this?

Not At ALL. If you write a damned good story, they'll take it no matter where you're from or where you live. A friend of mine, Daria, lives in Moscow and has no problems publishing her books in the US. The only drawback is Paying her. Both PayPal and her bank tend to take fees out of her royalty checks because they're issued from a different country.

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DrazziElder In reply to OokamiKasumi [2011-01-17 00:03:44 +0000 UTC]

About ghostwriting: must be hard to write something and not get the credit for it but I could do it if I needed the money anyway, as long as I get to write other stuff I can publish under my own name.

Not At ALL. If you write a damned good story, they'll take it no matter where you're from or where you live. A friend of mine, Daria, lives in Moscow and has no problems publishing her books in the US. The only drawback is Paying her. Both PayPal and her bank tend to take fees out of her royalty checks because they're issued from a different country.

I'm relieved to hear that. I don't think I would have that big of a problem with getting paid as her since I live in Puerto Rico but still, it is good to know you can actually publish in the US when you live in another country. Thanks for answering my questions. I hope I wasn't too much of a bother. I sometimes can talk nonstop and annoy people.

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OokamiKasumi In reply to DrazziElder [2011-01-17 00:49:37 +0000 UTC]

About ghostwriting: must be hard to write something and not get the credit for it but I could do it if I needed the money anyway, as long as I get to write other stuff I can publish under my own name.

That's how I did corporate copywriting. I wrote the crap they needed to me to write and wrote what I pleased on my own time.

I don't think I would have that big of a problem with getting paid as her since I live in Puerto Rico...

I don't think so either.

Thanks for answering my questions. I hope I wasn't too much of a bother. I sometimes can talk nonstop and annoy people.

I didn't mind at all! I like helping my fellow writers.

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Android3000 In reply to ??? [2011-01-14 17:41:06 +0000 UTC]

Wow. This is probably true for comic writers true. Well, at least I know what to expect.

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OokamiKasumi In reply to Android3000 [2011-01-15 07:58:48 +0000 UTC]

If you know what to expect, the nasty surprises don't get you.

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Android3000 In reply to OokamiKasumi [2011-01-15 20:23:38 +0000 UTC]

indeed

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ViridianRose In reply to ??? [2011-01-14 13:49:05 +0000 UTC]

Wow. I knew writing wasn't easy. I was completely prepared for that. But the whole about publishers?
Wow.
It's disheartening.

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OokamiKasumi In reply to ViridianRose [2011-01-14 13:57:54 +0000 UTC]

It's even worse if you don't find out until you're published.

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ViridianRose In reply to OokamiKasumi [2011-01-15 00:12:39 +0000 UTC]

That... kinda makes me not want to be a writer anymore.

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OokamiKasumi In reply to ViridianRose [2011-01-15 08:46:56 +0000 UTC]

I look at it this way, there aren't many jobs where you can work at home in your pajamas.

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ViridianRose In reply to OokamiKasumi [2011-01-18 22:47:10 +0000 UTC]

Or stay up all night and sleep all day.

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OokamiKasumi In reply to ViridianRose [2011-01-19 06:44:15 +0000 UTC]

Which is exactly what I do!
-- I have no family to keep me awake during daylight hours.

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ViridianRose In reply to OokamiKasumi [2011-01-23 01:13:47 +0000 UTC]

Lucky. -_-

So, are publishers really awful?

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OokamiKasumi In reply to ViridianRose [2011-01-23 14:01:34 +0000 UTC]

Not at all. I have 4 of them.
-- You just have to understand that they are a BUSINESS. They're there to make money. If they choose your manuscript then they clearly think you'll make lots of it for them.

Also, they know a hell of a lot more about what their customers will buy than you do.

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ViridianRose In reply to OokamiKasumi [2011-01-27 03:02:19 +0000 UTC]

Have they ever taken a manuscript and changed it so much that you don't recognize it?
I mean, I'm sure that they know what the customers want- I hope they do, because I sure don't. But in your article(essay?) it seemed like that is what you were saying that they do just to please the customers.

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OokamiKasumi In reply to ViridianRose [2011-01-27 05:18:45 +0000 UTC]

Have they ever taken a manuscript and changed it so much that you don't recognize it?

None of my manuscripts have been changed like that, but I have many author friends who have had their manuscripts gutted.

...in your article(essay?) it seemed like that is what you were saying that they do -- just to please the customers.

Correct. That's exactly why that happens.

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BeautifulButch In reply to ??? [2011-01-14 13:15:51 +0000 UTC]

Did you have to make a lot of major changes in your works due to "executive meddling"?

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OokamiKasumi In reply to BeautifulButch [2011-01-14 13:23:58 +0000 UTC]

Actually, no. I have been blessed with some excellent editors. Of course, I know my writing craft backwards and forwards, so that helped.

Executive meddling usually happens when a book either has plot-holes or the story is almost what they're looking for, but not quite. I try to make damned sure that the story is a perfect fit before I offer it to them.

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