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Species Details:Elles: (closed species)
The elles are elemental based hybrids.
The sky based elles live in the sky where they create and manage the clouds. Their hair and tails are cloud like in texture, they're soft, bouncy and malleable.
The water based elles live in different bodies of water, their hair and tails are usually bubbly or streaming water that seems to flow constantly
More info here
FOR FLAT SALE:
one female water elles
one female air elles
one male air elles
rules:
-once purchased the character belongs solely to the buyer.
-the character CANNOT be used for commercial purposes without permission first (may add a fee, would be discussed)
-the character can be changed slightly but should still resemble the original design
-do not claim the design as your own, you don't need to credit every time you use the adopt but don't say you created it yourself
-personality and details are up to the owner
-you can pay via paypal or DA points, the conversion is 100DA points=$1.00 (since DA takes a percentage)
-Buyer will be sent the fullsize unwatermarked drawing of their character
-you may not resell the character
-DO NOT purchase through premium content without my okay first, I'm not responsible for refunding your points if you do (I don't even know if you can so please don't do this)
Buying Rules:
-Price is $20.00 USD or 2000DA points (paid through premium content widget)
-You may also leave an offer, offers are good up to one week after they've been left
-I'm not really interested in art offers, you can leave one but i highly prefer cash or points
Available:
female sheep elles-SOLD-~WildKerriAppears
female fox elles-SOLD-=flarechess
male puppy elles-SOLD-~moondust70
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friends adopts:
Customs:
want a custom elles? Information here
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Comments: 137
they are so pretty 
I love how you describe the water elles hair, "streaming water that seems to flow constantly". I think I'm in love with this species 
I love your brain!!!! How did you come up with these elles? TOO CUTE and wonderful
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aaa I don't think they're that creative aha but thank you I'm glad you like them ; u ;
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also another super awesome batch and they're selling like hotcakes you go girl <333
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this one sold way fast I'm so surprised @p@
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everyone wants a cutie elles from super ko that's aweomse aaaa
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Wahh! I missed it again?
Can I get #3? I'd love #2 too if she's available
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sure ; u ; number 2 is pending but if it falls through I can let you know~
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SOOOOOOOO CUUUUUUUUUUTEEEEEEEEE WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
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I absolutely love your adopts, but why price so high?
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my adopts are not expensive and this is why:
Each adopt takes about an hour to two hours to make. Okay so at the very least that's 20 dollars an hour. WOW who does she think she is charging that kind of money????
I am a professional artist. I spent around four years receiving my degree in fine arts. I have worked on published titles and in my spare time am working on personal projects.
I owe /a lot/ of money to my school. More than I will probably ever make back doing this, but that's okay because I'm doing what I love.
Each adoptable is 20 dollars and I only sell three of them a week. That's 60 dollars a week. Just let that sink in for a moment, if I was to solely live off the means of my art I would be making around 100 dollars a week including these and commissions. That's not even enough to rent out an apartment. I have to pay almost 400 dollars a month to pay off my school loans. So by the end of the month I wouldn't even have enough money to eat or drive my car.
Luckily, I have a day job, I make just over minimum wage which is a little under 10 dollars an hour. Now, that is an easy job, a job anyone can do and pick up, it's an entry level position. So considering it takes up to 2 hours to make one adoptable you are basically saying that I should work for minimum wage.
Minimum wage on something that is a LUXURY. Art is a luxury, that means it is not something you /need/ that means that people who buy art for themselves have the PRIVILEGE of doing so, it is not a right.
Art is not only a luxury but it is a LEARNED SKILL. Not everyone can make art, it's not an easy job that anyone can do. It takes years of practice and learning. I have been drawing all my life, since I could hold a pencil, that's over twenty years of experience.
Now you are not only paying for my art, for instance if you were to buy a commission of the same quality as these adopts it would be a lot cheaper, why is that?
Because you are also paying for the DESIGN and for the RIGHTS to the character. Designing the character is the longest part of the process. It takes a lot of work to try and come up with something that people will buy. If it doesn't sell? Well then I just wasted a couple hours of my time, unlike with a commission which I'm sure to get paid for, it's time I never get back.
Once you purchase the character it belongs to YOU. You can use it for whatever you want as long as you don't make money. This is a huge deal, I am giving away the rights to a character that I designed and created and put my own creative work into. It's something no one else will make. There may be characters similar to one, or you could always copy and make your own, but my designs will always reflect me and myself as an artist, and so they will always be different from what you would create, or someone else who makes adoptables will create. That means they are one of a kind.
My adoptables sell fairly well, that means they are in demand, that means they are worth more money. I have people waiting for me to make more so that they can buy them right away, there is absolutely no reason for me to charge less for them.
Making these for any less money is LITERALLY not worth my time. I am a very busy person and could be doing something else much more productive then selling my art for nothing.
There is a huge misconception here on DA because artists feel they have to sell their work for nothing, because people who are doing the same quality work as me or even better quality will sell for far less. That is because very few people on this site actually understand the value of their work, and this FORCES other artists to lower their prices and work for slave labor wages to make art for people who don't NEED it.
I refuse to do that, I already work for way less than my art is worth but I will not sell it for nothing. Instead of asking why my prices are high, maybe you should wonder why everyone elses are so low.
My art is not expensive, just because you can't afford it.
Think before you ask questions like these, it's very rude and harmful to the artist.
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I'm going to risk an angry reply talking about how I don't know what you're going through and say this, however keep in mind that I'm not looking to offend you. I just ask you take a minute to consider what I'm saying.
I'm in the same boat as you, loans to pay off and uncertainty of work in my field (game art student here) but guess what? We chose to do this and its something we have to deal with. Doesn't mean you have to throw it in someone else' face like that and less so publicly. You could have deleted the comment and PM'd her and inform her on why she might be wrong. Maybe you wanted to get the word out there and in which case a Journal could help with that? I don't know, just seems like you lashed out over something that wasn't meant maliciously...
I mean at least that's what I'd do. I want to try and keep a good relationship with people because then again I want them to buy into my creations.
Correct me if I'm wrong as I'm not too familiar with Adoptables okay? But the concept is that people are paying for the character and not the drawing itself right? And if so couldn't you save time by doing less rendering/detailed coloring or something like that because you seem to be starved for time as it is.
I'm a little curious as I know little to nothing about adoptables but... what exactly are you charging for? Are you charging for the character itself or the style/coloring job of the drawing? You said it takes you 1-2 hours for a character. How much of that is coming up with the actual character, making revisions, and etc. vs rendering/coloring, cleanup of lines/ technical stuff?
And that kind of segways into this... I don't wanna be "that guy" but you said this
"aaa I don't think they're that creative aha but thank you I'm glad you like them ; u ;"
I said something like that about a project I was submitting for my 3D animation class. My teacher was about to ignore mine and give me a failing grade for said project. You shouldn't down talk your own work because it devalues your hard work which you were aggressively defending here. Do people really want to buy a character that it's own creator doesn't think is creative? Would you?
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I would hardly call it lashing out, though maybe it came across that way. If so I definitely didn't intend for it to. But this is a mindset I see a lot on this site and it's very upsetting and harmful to artists who are trying to make even a reasonable amount of money off their work.
The truth of the matter is that she asked in a public place, and so I replied in a public place, that's all there is to it, I'm not trying to gain sympathy or "get the word out", like you said, if that was the case I would make a journal, but I'm not having any trouble selling these so there would be no real reason for me to do that. If you would prefer to talk to someone via notes that's fine for you, if she wanted a reply privatley she could have asked the question privatley.
The basis of selling an adoptable is yes, you are paying for the character, the design of the character, and sometimes like in this case, the species that they are, ect. However, people want the character nicely drawn as well. It makes sense, because it becomes yours, you would want to have a pretty picture of it right? Not only that but it also draws more attention to them. For instance, there are a lot of people doing adoptables on this site, naturally people are going to be more drawn to what looks nice at first glance. So you are basically paying for the drawing of your character, along with the character, both are really important.
Like I told taryn, most of the time is spent coming up with the designs, and of course that varies, sometimes they come to mind easily and sometimes it's a struggle to think up something. The time of course then is different depending on all of that. But even then you know, it's my work and I can charge what I feel is fair, like I said earlier I'm having no problem selling them at the price they're at so I really don't think that what I'm charging is unreasonable.
And yes you caught me in an attempt at being humble, which I agree was hypocritical of me. Though I really think it's unfair for you to fish through the comments for something to use against me. Regardless, in the end, to answer your question, if it was me I wouldn't really care what the artist thought, because I would be the one buying the character, if I liked it I would purchase it regardless of if they called it crap, or a masterpiece. But that's of course my opinion and yours may be very different than that.
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You really need to include a small "too long didn't read" section...
>fish
It was like two comments above your first one, there was hardly any fishing to do, fishing implies I went somewhere else looking for things.
And that last thing, that's just your opinion. Take into consideration that not everyone feels the same. If Nintendo makes a new game and says its "meh" it would affect them negatively, I'm just giving you some advice saying that's sort of a no-no when it comes to talking about what you work so hard on but that's just my opinion and you can do what you like. Glad we could be civil though.
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my reply was the same length as yours so I don't see why that's necessary. /shrug
And yes you're right in the professional field, if I was trying to sell my work to a person it would be detrimental to talk about my work that way. My teachers told me the same thing when I would talk down about my assignments. Like I said it was hypocritical of me so, thank you for the advice I'll work on that.
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And I feel like I might have offended you again somehow x.x.... I'm not saying your adopts aren't creative. Just, you seem to be in a tight spot?
And you had answered my actual question in the response you gave by taking my first one the wrong way D: I should have explained what I was asking. I wanted to know the reason you were pricing them high, not like one of those people saying "I wanted the adopt but I can't buy it! D: Why can't you put it lower!?" Does that help explain? Or does it not x.x Either way, I apologize for the misconception and I apologize for not explaining myself.
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I was just wondering. Sure, I know making a character design takes a lot of work and making a design that's unique and more developed takes even longer. I've seen so many artists at your skill level or higher charge the same or higher then what you sell them for. I've also seen artists who only do it for a hobby sell it for cheaper and others that are underestimating their skill as in what you've said. I was just wondering. I also know that being an artist will be hard. I know it because I want to become one. I know the hardships they take on and basically what I call the "burden of an artist". I know there will be a lot of stress involved and to support yourself with only art wouldn't be enough. And maybe if you're in that situation, you should start auctions on your characters. Start the bid at your current $20 and see how much people would pay for it. I know what I'm asking, and I know it's sometimes rude and harmful, but in the end it was still a question of curiosity. I would even buy one from you, I'm not saying I can't.
Continuing from me wanting to be an artist, I'm a freshman going on sophomore and I got recommended for AP art. I know it's an honor but like you said, it takes time so I decided to practice a bit more because I only have one shot at AP Art. I already have a goal set and I want to become either a Multimedia Artist or Game Art Designer. To get there, I have to keep on practicing and experimenting. I have to also get back my creativity because after coming to DA, it's been getting limited. Also, the one who most inspires me is my brother. No matter the stress, he still pulls through and gets the work done. He's in his 4th year in the Art Institute of Chicago and aims to be a Game Art Designer and instead of almost everyone's love for anime, his switched to becoming more adult-like and demonic. And aside from that, we come up with creative designs when designing a character. I just think you should sketch out a design on paper, try to be a little more creative and that would push what people would pay for the adopt.
Meh.. x.x I'm still so young though and so much to learn still but anyways, thank you for your long response.
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I understand that you were curious, and maybe you didn't mean it that way, but if you knew that the question would be offensive I'm not sure why you thought it necessary to ask in the first place. Maybe it didn't come across that way to you but when you say "why is the price so high" it of course sounds to me like you are saying they aren't worth what I'm selling them for, which is, honestly, yes it's very hurtful because maybe they're not the best adopts on this site (well okay, I know they aren't) and even if they are "too plain" as you said in another comment, you know, I put a lot of work into them and so I'm not sure where your curiosity takes priority over another person's feelings about their work.
I didn't intend to come across as malicious but because this is a very important issue to me I felt it neccessary to yes, rant about it. That may not have been a good idea as far as "proffessionalism" is concerned, but you know at the end of the day it needs to be said. I've read this comment here and I was happy I thought it was very well thought out and you were civil and said your points well, along with the other one where you apologized for any misconception.
However, I don't appreciate you going to other people who are agreeing with me and attempting to start more trouble, it's really unnecessary and there's no need for it, if you want me to act in a professional manner then you should reflect that in your own actions as well because it's not saying anything good about you to act that way. And saying "no offense" over and over doesn't make any rude actions you make okay.
You asked a question, and I answered it.
That is all it should be there's no need to bring other people in to fight your battles for you, or to try and pick battles with other people.
My work may be "plain" to you but that's how I design, I don't like characters who have too much going on, that's a personal preference, it's like I mentioned before, every artist will create characters differently, that's what's so fun about adoptables.
Anyways, in the end I was not trying to come off to you in a hostile way, I understand if I did so, but this is a major issue on this website and it's very important to me that people are informed of this problem. I do not like to see artists being degraded or being taken advantage of because they don't understand the value of their work, and it's okay if you don't understand the value of mine because I do, and a lot of other people do, and that's what matters to me.
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I wasn't x.x... I wanted to know her opinion because I've started talking to her. I wanted to know his/her thoughts because everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I wanted to know her reason for agreeing to at least see her side on why he/she was supporting you, I'm not trying to start any trouble. Or maybe curiosity for an artist is bad, I suppose. I know my art teacher now would want me to find out the other persons views, so would some of my other teachers. I know yours, I just wanted to find out his/hers. If I did want to start trouble, I would have replied to every comment that supported you and put hate comments like I know some on the internet would post.
And I do know the value of others work. I observe so much art on this sight, it just sorta got imprinted in my mind so much that when I had started to draw again from my long break from drawing, I had gotten better. I duno how, I just did. You do have value in yours but you, yourself, degraded your work. And I still think you could use a little more time on your designs. Try to add accessories maybe? Or try new hairstyles because there are limitless ways to put hair.. it's weird. And you have to remember, it's the character they're adopting, not your style or shading.
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ah my apologies then I didn't realize you knew each other.
I wasn't trying to degrade my work at all, just being humble, I can see how it would come off hypocritical when I was defending them earlier but I digress. Like I said, there are things I do in my work that I like, I really don't like a lot of accessories or things personally, I know that's not always best for selling. When I look at adopts that sell well they're usually what I call "overdesigned", basically they have too much going on. Of course "too much" is just an opinion and if they generally sell well then obviously a lot of people like it. But it is difficult for me to do that myself. As for hairstyles, aha that's definitely a bit harder for me but it's something I'll keep in mind and work on, I appreciate the tips.
As for shading and style, even though it's the character they're buying ultimately, a person wants some decent looking art. It's like your first ref of the character you get, so people will want something that looks nice you know? A lot of people say they like that I draw them nicely and they appreciate the quality of work I put into them. And that's how I'd like to do my business, that's the way I'd like to present them, it's effective for me and when they're drawn nice they are very eye catching and people will look at them. Of course like you said, they're mostly interested in the character's design itself, but I think the quality of the drawing is important too.
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I suppose so. Though you don't need a lot of accessories, just something that makes them different. My brother had said they look like so many other characters. I haven't seen a whole lot but I guess I agree with him a little. When I create my designs, I just think "What makes them different from others" I try to do different things yet make it look cute. I can't seem to do adult-like things like my brother does, and he doesn't really see the use in bases either. But I believe you did read his already. But just mainly focus more on the design. Making it presentable is later. ^^ Okay
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I'm sure one day you can be as good as your brother, you're very lucky to have someone close to you to help you out, it'll be very beneficial to you in the long run. I'll keep your advice in mind thank you UuU
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You're welcome ^^ and thank you as well.
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*w* This is too awesome~ I wish more people thought in these terms. And good luck with paying back the tuition!
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aha thank you ; u ; I'll need it
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Hard workers are always rewarded even though the reward comes through snail mail at times
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Oh my god. You're awesome.
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You think she's awesome too, huh... She's amazing at what she does but as her being a professional at fine arts, that doesn't leave a good impression on what she's like. Plus, she even down graded her own work and she's saying she spent hours on it. If she spent hours on the design, that would have been better then spending hours coloring or cleaning up the adopt. Sure it looks nice, but ... and I mean no offense to her, but they look plain. It looks more like she spent time on coloring and shading. Tell me honestly, what do you think of them?
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it's okay for you to disagree but please don't start arguments with other people on my page thank you uou
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I wasn't. I simply wanted to know his/her thoughts.
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I understand that but either way I'd appreciate if you didn't. I don't really want this whole comments section to turn into a debate on whether my work is good enough or not :'D
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Lol.. I understand. I'm not debating. It's more of a suggestion. Like I said, it doesn't have to be a lot. It could be two accessories or something. Just be creative, and don't downgrade your work >.>
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right I'll keep it in mind uou
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It's nice to have this sorted out.
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I know it! It was gonna be like one of those dramatic drama fights and then at the end, they said it was a rough start and became friends! Such a romantic story
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oh god, do we.. do we kiss now?
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aha thank you :'D just tellin' it how it is
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Well you told it good uvu<3
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