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Another history repeats and Second American Civil War, this time with the Second American Civil War playing out just like the first, and the West playing the role of the South and Trump playing the role of Lincoln. Enough of the pieces are there: controversial Republican president wins the election in a divided nation, partially due to division in the Democratic Party, immediately followed by calls of secession by his political opponents. An unfair historical comparison that overly simplifies things to fit a pre-determined narrative? Hasn't stopped anybody else this election cycle. As always, this isn't meant to be taken seriously. I will also be ignoring all attempts to figure out who the historical analogues are here, because it's really fucking obvious.The history here is pretty simple. In December of 2016, California secedes from the Union , their claim backed by the idea that Hillary won the popular vote and thus "actually won" the election, and allegations of voter rigging in the Rust Belt states. Having no sense of irony, history or military realism, other states that voted for Clinton on the West Coast (and Hawaii) also secede, and form the Pacific States of America. They try to get Clinton to be president of the PSA, until someone points out that Clinton is from the East Coast and thus cannot represent the PSA; Clinton herself remains silent on the secessionist crisis, but she does refuse to take the presidency "from the hands of rebels." War begins in 2017, after PSA forces storm federal installations in California; they quickly follow up by invading Idaho, Utah and Arizona, and successfully placing PSA governments in charge there. A surprising amount of US military defect to the PSA's side, momentarily crippling American capability to strike back, and general surprise at the hostilities prevents decisive offensives. Trump makes a call to arms, increasing the size of the loyalist military, as the initial battles of the war go for the PSA. The PSA tries to get recognition internationally, but aside from some friendly gestures from Canada and Mexico, the international community largely ignores the PSA. The PSA's offensive eastward is finally destroyed by the forces of General Mattis in western Texas, and a steady offensive by superior American forces drives the PSA into the Pacific. The State of Jefferson secedes from the PSA; already a hotbed of Union support, the crumbling of the Pacifican Army leads to their rebellion. A particularly brutal "march to the sea" ends in the Siege of Los Angeles. The PSA finally surrenders in 2021. Trump's victory is short-lived; he is assassinated by actor Robert DeNiro shortly after the war.
The Second American Civil War destroyed America's position as world superpower, but crises around the world meant that nobody really took her place. China and Russia were incapable of projecting their power; Russian assistance for the Union proved more the lack of Russia's capability to project power far from her borders, and the Chinese economy took a hit after its biggest trading partner decided to fight a civil war. Brexit goes through, followed by Italy leaving in 2018, and the entire Visegrad Pact leaving in 2022. France left in 2027, which ironically allowed Germany so much power that they succeeded in uniting what remained of the EU into the European Federation. The Visegrad Pact formed the Visegrad Union, eventually becoming a federation themselves. With the Americans out of the picture, the EF formed strategic alliances with Russia and the Visegrads, challenging a growing India, France and UK. The UK, with their American allies, began to form the Anglosphere Alliance, increasing ties between these former British colonies and the young West African Union. Japanese power grows in the East, with the nation remilitarizing and defeating China and Russia in proxy wars. Turkey becomes a regional power, taking in much of America's former sphere of influence in the Middle East, and defeating Islamism with their own brand of secular autocracy.
By 2070, the world teeters at the brink of war. The CCP fell in the Revolution of 2067, and the new Chinese Federation is an impoverished, chaotic mess that will likely break down at any time. Western powers have encroached on China, as have the Japanese. The Alliance for Freedom and Democracy is a bit of a misnomer; while the Americans, British, Canadians, Japanese and French are definitely democratic, the Russians are not, having slipped back into a de facto Tsarist system. The AFD has the definite advantage in materiel and technology; indeed, the EF worries about the resurgent Russian population, and theorizes that there will come a time when Russian technology outstrips that of the EF, and would handily defeat it in a war. The AFD is a ramshackle thing; while Russia, America, France and Britain got along great during the early 21st century, rivalries over Central Asia and Africa have pushed Russia, France and Britain away from one another. It is only the resurgent threat of the EF that has drawn them back together. The Anglosphere Alliance is more or less an Anglo-American colonial venture; while India's economy is massive, its leaders are still at the beck and call of American banks. The same can be said of the South Africans and the West Africans, whose rapid ascent during the 2030s and 2040s has largely petered out.
The European Federation is a de facto German empire, the national parliaments weak in the face of the European Commission and the European military. Enjoying the second largest economy on Earth, thanks to its state-of-the-art automation[1], the EF is no slouch. The European Space Force is second only to the United States Space Force, and they have the largest army in Europe apart from that of Russia. The Visegrad Union is starting to fall apart, particularly as the Hungarians demand more power from the Poles. Unlike their German allies, the Visegrads are rather backwards, and will likely be more of a liability than an asset in the war. The Turkish sphere of influence, too, is crumbling, and is being encroached upon by Russia. The Turks are the sick man of Europe, and while they were supported by NATO during the Crimean Crisis, now they have only EF investment to rely on.
Nuclear weapons no longer guarantee world peace, as orbital and ground-based lasers have made the weapons obsolete, and nothing has come to replace them. And with the assassination of the Visegrad Union's ambassador to Serbia, the time may have come for another world war.
[1] While the EF was behind on automation for the early 21st century, protectionist policies in the now-AFD states prevented widespread automation from being adopted. The EF embraced automation, in response to their aging population. So have the Japanese, but that's something else entirely.
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Comments: 87
Beastboss In reply to ??? [2016-12-09 20:59:01 +0000 UTC]
I imagine abortion and sanctuary cities were virtually destroyed after the war, since I can imagine the cheap immigrant labor being analogous to slavery in this world. I don't really see gay marriage being reversed, even with the Trump victory in the civil war.
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1saby [2016-12-09 07:35:57 +0000 UTC]
DeNiro assassinating Trump? Isn't he a tad old for that?
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RvBOMally In reply to 1saby [2016-12-09 07:41:53 +0000 UTC]
He shot him in the back of the head.
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Ninuden In reply to RvBOMally [2016-12-11 00:41:25 +0000 UTC]
"You'd shoot a man in the back?"
"Well, it's the safest way, isn't it?"
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NiWim [2016-12-09 07:07:37 +0000 UTC]
So whats Trump's legacy in this world? Is he viewed favorably, ala Lincoln, or rather less so?
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RvBOMally In reply to NiWim [2016-12-09 07:41:40 +0000 UTC]
He's viewed as a national hero, like Lincoln.
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PG-1987 In reply to RvBOMally [2016-12-09 15:45:04 +0000 UTC]
A NeverTrumper's worst nightmare.
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NiWim In reply to RvBOMally [2016-12-09 09:56:22 +0000 UTC]
*Screams internally*
I'm guessing things aren't so rosy in the United States, then.
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Meerkat92 In reply to NiWim [2016-12-09 20:05:04 +0000 UTC]
If we're using this scenario to draw logical conclusions from an absurd scenario, then part of that also entails we recognize that most of the fear-mongering about Trump is utter crap.
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Gregxter [2016-12-09 03:18:35 +0000 UTC]
Now that would make an impressive TL-191 from an alternate future Harry Turtledove.
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PachPachis [2016-12-09 01:58:23 +0000 UTC]
Hang on, I just realized - if Germany is going to lose the WW1 analogue... That means the Nazi analogues are going to be radical LEFTISTS.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAAlDo…
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RvBOMally In reply to PachPachis [2016-12-09 02:05:20 +0000 UTC]
www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxU2eq…
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PachPachis In reply to RvBOMally [2016-12-09 02:18:57 +0000 UTC]
Oh, so THAT'S where that meme comes from. Heh.
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RvBOMally In reply to PachPachis [2016-12-09 02:27:00 +0000 UTC]
The text is up. Hopefully it'll work.
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Beastboss [2016-12-08 23:25:15 +0000 UTC]
I was just thinking of something like this, I even wrote a little joke picture in my Civil War History notes: The Progressive States of America vs The United States of America
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KuboCaskett In reply to ??? [2016-12-08 23:23:21 +0000 UTC]
That's funny I had a similar idea of a Second American Civil War with the West Coast in general being the ones that violently secede, though it's not meant to be taken seriously.
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RvBOMally In reply to KuboCaskett [2016-12-08 23:24:07 +0000 UTC]
You're in luck: this isn't serious either.
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KuboCaskett In reply to RvBOMally [2016-12-08 23:39:37 +0000 UTC]
That's good then because the idea of the liberal leaning, blue states seceding just because they don't like the new president is a ridiculous idea and probably be truted as such too.
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RvBOMally In reply to KuboCaskett [2016-12-08 23:40:57 +0000 UTC]
The idea of a second civil war being one of secession, whether blue states from a red president or vice versa, is ridiculous. If there's going to be a second civil war in the United States, it would be more like the civil wars of the 20th century.
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falloutbunkr [2016-12-08 23:06:50 +0000 UTC]
I wonder if the ex-Pacific States have their version of the KKK?
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KuboCaskett In reply to falloutbunkr [2016-12-08 23:48:50 +0000 UTC]
Probably something like BLM on crack and cocaine.
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Spiritswriter123 In reply to KuboCaskett [2016-12-09 07:17:03 +0000 UTC]
Wait, you mean BLM isn't already on crack and cocaine?
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KuboCaskett In reply to Spiritswriter123 [2016-12-09 15:04:11 +0000 UTC]
Well I meant something that's worse than BLM.
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PachPachis In reply to falloutbunkr [2016-12-08 23:11:58 +0000 UTC]
Social Soldiers' Service (SSS)? I guess it depends on what their ideology was.
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BadgingBadger [2016-12-08 22:41:47 +0000 UTC]
So... it's basically "history repeats the period between 1860 and 1914"?
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hgfggg In reply to BadgingBadger [2016-12-14 23:38:37 +0000 UTC]
Naaaaaah. It's "history repeats the third century crisis, again and again and again and what do you mean Palmyra isn't the exact same thing as the Confederacy!?"
Or: "Extremism leads to centrism rather than more extremism"
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PachPachis [2016-12-08 22:30:48 +0000 UTC]
Cool! Is this the same universe for that alternate HuffPo article announcing a Calexit you posted a while back?
Also, Alliance for Freedom and Democracy. With a name like that, you know they're either liars or full of themselves.
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