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This is the Amur Tiger card for the Endangered Ark card deck project ( [link] ).Siberian (aka Amur/Manchurian/Ussuri) tigers are a rare, critically endangered subspecies of tigers, found only in the Amur region of the far east. Due to illegal deforestation and poaching, the Siberian tiger was at extreme risk of elimination by the 1980s, with fewer than 250 tigers remaining in the wild. Luckily though, due to the effort of the Siberian Tiger Project, founded in 1992, the big cats have seen a steady recovery. The project focused on conservation, working with local governments to set up anti-poaching patrols, reducing clearcut logging and slowing the depletion of the tiger's habitat.
Today, there are an estimated 400 to 500 Siberian tigers in the wild, and their population seems stable. While there is a very successful captive breeding program, there is little to zero chance of reintroducing captive bred tigers back into the wild. This makes it imperative to protect their natural habitat if Siberian tigers are to continue to exist outside of zoos and private collections.
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Very pretty, the colors are perfect.
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Damn poaching. Nothing good comes of it, and it makes me sick that people kill these animals just to rip their skin off and earn the precious green paper that they call money.
The only solution is to get rid of guns completely. Not ban guns; that doesn't solve the problem. If guns were banned, they would simply continue to be used illegally. We need to ELIMINATE guns completely. Gather all the guns in the world and burn them all at once, remove gun companies from business, the works. And if right afterwards some alien race or something comes and wipes us humans off the face of the earth, I will laugh while I am bleeding to death. For I knew we had it coming with EVERY SINGLE ACTION WE TOOK.
It would, however, be more fitting if nature destroyed us. If only the world was like Narnia, where the trees could sprout from the ground and fight back, where the ocean could rise and swallow our soldiers. If only nature could stand up for itself and show us the error of our ways, if not through explanation than by force.
WE ALL HAVE IT COMING, EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US. AND ONE DAY, OUR PUNISHMENT WILL COME.
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LMAO! That is ridiculous man, I'm sorry. Poaching existed lonnnnng before guns, my friend. Quit being a commie.
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So either way it's wrong to think guns are evil?
At least back then if someone wanted to kill an animal, they had to best it in strength. If only those pinciples still existed today, to get America out of it's fuckin' obesity.
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Um, actually they just shot it with a bow, crossbow, sling, or threw a rock at it, and usually that was after it was caught in a trap made of ropes that would strangle it, fell into a large hole which would break its legs, or were caught in a barbed trap which left it bleeding all night long. So perhaps you should be thankful we now have guns to do the animals in swiftly and humanely :]
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Well that only proves that we've been dicks throughout all of our history.
Humanely? You really think a gun is humane?
Do you know what Sarah Palin does? She goes into the Alaskan Wilderness in a plane, shoots a wolf in the leg, flies off, and lets it die a slow and painful death! Is that humane!?
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Like everyone who tries to make desperate anti-gun arguments, yours really makes no sense at all. In this case the blame is, once again, no way on guns and your anger should be concentrated on people choosing to do what they do. They would do this with or without guns, and the act itself should be illegal, not guns.
Yes, I think a gun is humane. Considering I own and use them, and you don't and probably never have, I guess it's obvious who would know more about that. A gun is more humane than anything else I can think of. If you have a problem with what Sarah Palin does, because I wouldn't know, you can e-mail her and tell her you want to take her gun away and burn it, that's your problem, not mine.
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If you make it illegal, people will continue to do it behind your back because they're dicks and only find satisfaction in wiping another creature off the face of the earth. Making it illegal never solves the problem. You douchebags should have figured that out back when they tried to prohibit poaching and alchohol. By the way, alchohol is another thing that should be destroyed.
NOTHING HUMANITY HAS MADE IS HUMANE.
Why the hell do you have a gun? Do you kill animals with it? If so, you're just as bad as wolf-killer Palin!
I bet you're a damn Redneck too, aren't you?
REDNECKS ARE THE CAUSE OF MOST OF THE WORLD'S PROBLEMS! They promote hunting, which is bringing down all of the animal populations, and therefore gun control! They are bringing down the U.S. intelligence compared to other countries! And they prefer to be jobless, which wastes government and tax money for their wellfare checks!
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while you have some sensible and compelling POINTS, it is not likely that people will listen to you or pay attention to what you say because of the way in which it is said. if you write in a more reasonable and rational tone; don't stereotype and jump to conclusions and take a less extreme and insulting stance, i'm sure you'll find that you can be much more effective. if you think the only thing you can do to help save our planet is to inform people, it's not much use if you do it in a way that nobody will want to listen. otherwise the effect is actually quite anti-productive.
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Wow man, you're fucking pathetic. The shit you're saying should be grounds to have you banned from this site, you're a communist tree-hugging cunt and if everyone in the country thought the way you did we would all be dead. But then again in the eyes of a total misanthrope I suppose you'll say that's a positive thing which is even more disgusting.
Why do I have a gun? Because I live in the middle of nowhere and have wild animals threatening my safety and wellbeing at any time.
If nothing humanity has made is humane (totally didn't make logical sense btw) then just rid us of yourself first, please.
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It's better off that humans are dead. If we were gone, EVERYTHING else would flourish. We haven't benefitted anything; we only take and take and take without giving anything back. And I hope that one day we reach the point where we have taken too much, that we can no longer survive. Then we will learn our lesson when it is all too late.
I can't be Communist, because I don't give a rat's ass about people. Communists control the people, making every single one equal. I don't care; humanity can rot and decay as far as I am concerned. I don't care if it takes me with it! I would sacrifice myself to save all the other creatures of the earth, which is more than I can say for you.
It's a little thing called REVENGE.
If an animal kills you, it's getting vengeance for the other animals that some other human killed. We have no predators hunting us down and consuming our flesh for energy, so our population MUST be controlled somehow.
Every single thing that humans have made has hurt a living thing somehow.
I am starting to believe that God made us for this. Maybe he made a mistake with the world, then made us to destroy it piece by piece.
But doesn't it say in the bible something about humans being made as the rulers of all animals? That doesn't mean we should be DICTATORS. We are the Hitler of living things, killing off animals for our own gain and vengeance. It means that we should really be kind kings and queens, to defend our fellow citizens of the planet and help them flourish.
So go ahead, call me wrong. You will only be saying I'm wrong because I am aware of the world's problems. See how far denial gets you.
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More pathetic rhetoric from the mind of a demented, pompous 16-year-old.
What have gorillas ever done for the world? What have sloths ever done for the world? What about cows, besides feeding humans who you so desperately and irrationally hate? Absolutely nothing, except consume, so why don't you hate them? And even then, all other animals who consume and give back to the environment, SO WHAT? They give back to the environment ONLY so they and other animals can consume more! Their entire existence is designed to consume and nothing else!
You don't think if a gorilla had the intelligence and ability to build a nuclear arsenal, he would? Idiot. If any animal on the face of the Earth had the ability to, he'd kill you right now just for the fun of it. They kill each other every day. Try and think of the most innocent animal on the face of the planet, then realize those animals KILL each other every day for no reason but dominance. Why did you fail to mention that?
Every single thing humans have made has hurt a living thing somehow? Wow. And what have animals ever made that hasn't? Animals, your gods, do NOTHING but destroy. They build homes, it destroys living trees. Just to LIVE they feed on other animals. They exist for no other reason, from your perspective, than to destroy other living things and reap the rewards.
You think you're so great. Look at your profile, your signature, the way you instantly demean others with everything you say. You think you're a "rebel" because you're misanthropic? Wow, so original. You even warn us that you will haplessly argue with anyone who talks to you -- a very fair warning indeed, however nonetheless a pathetic one. Talk about denial, my friend.
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I'm pathetic? And what about you? You think you know everything just because you're in college? Or did you drop out?
Gorillas, sloths, and cows are not a major threat to us!! They're not mindlessly hunting us and making us endangered, yet that's what we do to them!! And if you say it's just for food, you're wrong. They hunt elephants just to rip off their horns, they hunt foxes to skin off their fur just so some selfish bitch like Beyonce or Amy Winehouse has something 'stylish' to wear. Sure animals consume, but they don't completely destroy the world...no, THE PLANET...that they live on! Everything needs something else to live. We have consumed too much, and that is why we are the ones at fault.
Yeah, if animals had the intelligence they would destroy us. But that's just the thing...THEY DON'T. They are defenseless against us. And like you said they are busy killing each other, so why do we have to butt in and reduce their numbers even more? Sure, we even fight and kill each other. While the World Wars and the Holocaust were very cruel to some people, you must agree that they were necessary to control our population. Not that I believe one specific race of people should be exterminated in such a way, but something has to prevent our overpopulation.
Animals don't make anything. WE created war. WE created weapons and bombs that not only destroy us but the environment as well. WE created money, the source of all human greed and corruption...along with all of our problems. What have animals done to take our planet apart piece by piece? NOTHING.
You say they kill each other just to live. That's the one thing you said this whole time that is RIGHT. They do it just to live, but we do it for so much more. We kill these animals for things that aren't necessary, such as fur coats. Clothes are in a way necessary, but you don't have to kill animals to make them.
And what about your profile? You say you're a horror writer, and there isn't a single piece of writing in your gallery! All you do is take pictures! "Ooooooh, I can position a camera" you make me sick! Anyone could do what you have done, anyone with even half a brain! At least I do what I say I do, I don't lie.
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College? No, I never went.
We hunt gorillas and sloths? LOL that's news to me. I wasn't aware there was a big gorilla-fur or sloth-hide market but okay.
Hunting elephants for ivory is illegal.
BeyoncΓ© and Amy Winehouse can die for all I care really, so bad attempt at appealing to my emotions, lol.
So what you're actually arguing is that, because humans are the most intelligent and superior, we should all die. Great thesis. Totally against logic but, great anyway, if just for comedic value.
Y'never hear me complaining about war or the holocaust. Also, AIDS and cancer, however hurtful it is to sensitive people, exist for that cause as well -- population control by nature.
We didn't create war at all. Animals war constantly. Animals war without law, without mercy, without morality, they just constantly are in conflict for superiority, for territory, for simple dominance. Animals are the undisputed masters of war.
Insects in huge numbers destroy environments. Hell, environments destroy themselves more than humans do. Forest fires, floods, earthquakes... a nuclear bomb can't compare to any of those.
We kill animals to live. We kill them because they destroy our homes, our crops, our expensive property, even our animals. Tell me, what would we have if we allowed animals to destroy our grains, and the machinery we need to harvest them? If animals destroyed our habitats and the animals inside them? Many animals kill humans for their own convenience. Many humans kill animals for their own convenience. Get the fuck over it, quite simply.
The idea that money is the "source of greed and corruption" is just a simplistic and stupid one. Money exists just so we have a system of fair bartering. At the beginning of mankind, one man traded his orange for a rock. That was money. Is that evil and corruption and greed? Please.
Okay now you're gonna judge my artistic contribution? LOL! Really relevant. But luckily for you, you are certainly within reach of pointless judgment. Just look at your art, need I say more? You proudly exclaim that you didn't use a guide for one, LOL! Well thank God because that would be even more major a fail. Talk about something anyone can do. I am surprised you're 16 years old as you have the discussion ethic of.. well.. not really any particular age really, I'm sure there are 10-year-olds who are able to exhibit sound logic. Unfortunate.
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Did I say my art was amazing? Brilliant? Better than everyone else's art on here? NO.
I know I'm not perfect, and neither are you. That is just the best piece I have done; I know I am not the best artist that anyone's ever seen. It's just something I like to do to pass the time; since when is it wrong to do something that you love?
And what you said earlier about my art being digital? I actually do the lineart on paper, scan it, and color and shade it on the computer. In fact, you will find that most of my art is completely traditional. I know that isn't much to be proud of, since I am using up trees and such, but like I said before it has reached the point that no matter what we do we are killing animals and/or putting them at risk.
And what you say in your next futile section of your argument about submitting your own stories? Go ahead; I won't read them. And all the same I don't expect you to read mine, for you would only cut them down because of this argument we had/are having. Not that I would care, because I know they are not my best works. My best pieces I am working on as we speak, slowly but surely being completed to save for my novelist occupation that is yet to come.
You can continue to argue as long as you want. Whine, complain, say everything I know and believe is wrong.
I WON'T BACK DOWN.
When it comes to world matters such as this, I am not the type of person that says "that's your opinion, and I leave you to it". No. I am the person that says "you're wrong! You keep toning down the seriousness of this situation, and your opinion that humans are superior couldn't be more incorrect!"
So call me all the names you want. Say I have the intellect of a 10-year-old (which is the stupidest thing I ever heard), say I'm wrong because I'm right.
I will just keep arguing until you have nothing left to say.
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lol, you already have backed down, by failing to address a single one of my points with refute. But nice rant.
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You mean failed like you have?
Either way, technically neither of us have lost. We have argued and replied. You don't lose until you DON'T RESPOND.
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Actually, not responding is not a loss. For example, I am in no way obliged to respond to ad-hominem insults and incoherent, off-topic rambling. When you want to answer why you don't just kill yourself to minimize animal deaths, then we'll talk.
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I'm not going to kill myself because I want to do something about it!
That's more than I can say for your redneck gun supporting ass.
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My ass? Well no my ass isn't really going to do anything about it, you're right about that. However, what you say is 100% bullshit because we've already established that every single thing you do kills animals. So what could you possibly do to reverse the hundreds of animal deaths you're partly or wholly responsible for every single day? Right now as you type this?
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Not reverse. It is ompossible to undo the damage that humanity has already done.
I want to do something about how much damage we inflict in the future.
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But you're doing more damage every day you are alive, that's my point. Do you think your actions will ever repay nature for the thousands or millions of animals that have died just so you could live? Do you think that will ever happen?
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Gorillas are poached and imprisoned, that much I am sure of.
Along with pretty much every other animal. Ever heard of a Zoo?
I have ALREADY said that MAKING SOMETHING ILLEGAL DOESN'T MAKE IT STOP!! People will still sneak around and do it illegally, because exterminating another living being is, for some sick and demented reason, the only thing that makes them happy.
Humans are no longer intelligent. The human brain capacity is, in fact, dropping.
Humans are no longer superior. Darwin himself came up with a law "survival of the fittest". THAT LAW NO LONGER APPLIES. We are no longer strong. We continue to make things whose sole purpose is to make our lives easier. Cars, television, movie theaters. Because of these items, we have grown fat and lazy. In the meantime, the animals out there fight for their life EVERYDAY. Because of this they are strong and remain so. We are no longer strong; we are no longer superior. We no longer deserve to be on the top of the food chain.
Animals invented war, but it was humanity that perfected it with weapons and strategy.
And besides, animals never killed as much of their own as we have. But at the same time, their populations aren't as great as ours either.
Oh yeah, that's the one type I cannot stand. INSECTS.
Insects aren't good for anything. Most of them don't benefit a thing. And I never really said I wanted to save them, for they don't exactly fall into the 'animals' category or phylum. So don't try to use that excuse.
What would the animals have if we destroyed their land? NOTHING, and we do EVERYDAY. This planet was theirs in the first place. God created all the animals first, and then humans. Or if you take the scientific approach, we came millions of years after everything else. We took THEIR land. They have the right to trespass and destroy our property; it was theirs in the first place! Now how can you argue with that!?
Traded an orange for a rock. Well why couldn't it stay that way!? Why do we have to cut down trees just to have something to use for bargaining!?
And every single being on the earth besides us has done just fine without money! Why can't we do the same?
My art isn't as good as my stories. I'm not referring to the ones in my gallery either. My real well-written stories I keep to myself, because if I submitted them here jackasses like you would steal them!
But at least I have more than one talent!
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Well, in that case, why don't you yourself just go out and murder people who harm animals? After all, murder being illegal shouldn't stop you, right?
Problem solved.
Because burning guns is just a hilariously ignorant proposition to stop hunting. People out there are killing dogs with rocks, sure as hell don't need a gun to kill an animal.
I agree we're getting more stupid, but your logic is asinine in the way you apply it here. Why are we no longer superior? Because even the fattest, stupidest human is more intelligent than the smartest monkey. Hell, a retarded man is more intelligent and capable than an exceptional dog. If every animal in the wild could invent a system to make their lives so easy that they wouldn't have to lift a proverbial finger, they would; the current system is every animal's ideal, if that animal is capable of even thinking of perceiving such a concept. So tell me, what do you exactly? I bet you do absolutely no physical labour, don't spend any time without technology. Your art is digital, you're on a computer right now and you have been all day, so you're one to talk about lazy technology?
Your argument about insects is another huge, gaping logical fallacy. Insects are living creatures as well, and part of the environment. Logically, any way you treat animals you would have to also relate to insects, which is why veganism is stupid to begin with; sure, tons of people are quick to come to the defense of a cow or sheep, but what about insects? You kill insects every day for your own convenience and nothing else, they are alive, they are sentient, they are animals. Look up the definition of "animal". Plant, mineral, animal... which of these three is an insect? Obviously animal. Huge inconsistency on your part.
What would we have if animals destroyed our land? And they try to, every day. From a religious perspective, we didn't take their land, we were given it. From a scientific perspective, I didn't have any turkeys in my forest when my family moved in to this property. Now I do, so I was here before them. Guess you have no problem with me hunting them, then, since I was here first.
Why do we have to cut down trees for money..? Why did a cave man have to pluck an orange from a branch? Just like that orange, a hundred trees will grow back in the place of one. Do you realize that when a tree falls, it sheds hundreds of seeds that will quickly grow and thrive to become trees each themselves?
Yes, jackasses like me would steal your stories about furries or whatever you write about. I'll have to submit some of my actual writing so you can eat your words.
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If I went out and murdered them, I would simply become one of you. Like I have told countless people, I'm not one of you.
Your whole logic system to animals is based on "if and when". "If they were able to do this, they would". THEY CAN'T. AND IT'S A GOOD THING THEY CAN'T TOO. Not because they would kill us, but because they would ruin themselves by doing so like we have ruined ourselves. They don't have the ability of creating things, the same ability that we have relentlessly abused. And if you commented on a deviation about saving the Amur tiger, then why are you constantly fighting back by bringing down the stature of animals? It's not helping your cause.
As to what I do, I beg your pardon. I am a very hard worker. I am a member of my High School's Marching Band, a program that if you haven't done you have no clue how difficult and rigorous it is. It demands lots of time, effort, hard work, and practice. We rehearse for three hours every other weeknight, and during a month of the summer we go for 9 hours everyday for weeks. We do more work in an hour than football players do in an entire practice, and this year we placed 3rd in the State of Colorado.
As to the computers, I have no choice. My school provides us with computers, computers that we must use every day at school for homework and assignments. The use of technology is no longer under my control; it is a requirement for me to be on this all day. And as of now I cannot get off because I know that every five minutes there's going to be another reply from you in my inbox that contains another blasphemous theory and discrimination toward animals.
Think logically for JUST ONE second...
IS THERE ANY POSSIBLE WAY TO MAKE ALL INSECTS EXTINCT? NO!
There are more insects on this planet than there are humans!! There is no possible or plausible way to kill all the insects on the planet. You can swat and kill as many as you want; it doesn't make any difference. They reproduce so fast, for every one you kill there will be at least a hundred more. Therefore, they are not my concern and I don't want them to be.
Again, you are bringing world matters down into a perspective that only includes yourself.
ANIMALS CAME FIRST, HUMANS SECOND. NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOU AND YOUR STUPID TURKEYS. STOP THINKING ABOUT JUST YOURSELF AND SEE THE BIGGER PICTURE!
You people think that Earth is a place where you can just take and take and take without any consequences! Nothing comes free; that is what we have made the world. We are going to have to start paying back; nature cannot take this much abuse and simply bounce back by itself.
THEY ARE ANTHROPOMORPHICS, NOT FURRIES. Don't think there's a difference? WRONG.
Anthropomorphics are serious half man, half beast people made to be involved in good, in-depth stories.
FURRIES are dog and cat people made for the sole purpose of humping each other. Furries are gay, and for calling anthropomorphics so you are also gay. Go choke on a furry dick, you fag.
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Note that I'm no longer replying to your bullshit, you think being in a high school marching band is contributing to the advancement of the world and you think insects are okay to kill because there are more of them, following that logic we should be able to kill anything that's not endangered. I don't care about your furries, if you think they're cool that's fine with me because I couldn't care less. So enjoy that furry-dick you were talking about, I won't judge you. Everything you say is not even logical and if it was, I still wouldn't care because no-one in their right mind would let the words of a misanthropic hypocritical 16-year-old. Your computer use is killing animals, every time you're in a moving vehicle it's killing animals, every time you eat it's killing animals, everything you own is killing animals. Don't believe it? Tell me one thing you've ever bought that didn't kill an animal. The only way to stop killing animals is to kill yourself, not that I'm hinting or anything.
No-one takes thinking there will be no consequences, but then again neither do animals, they just consume and, as I've said already, when they do give something back to the environment it's for no other purpose than to consume more. The entire purpose of animal life is to consume. You also seemed to shut the fuck up when I pointed out that animals cause more war and conflict than humans do, only to come back to the same concentric points of argument again and again. I've already typed too much as I tend to go on and on even when it's something I care nothing about -- point in case.
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Oh how typical, taking the things I say and useing them against me. Can't you come up with your own comebacks!?
And again, you are misenterpreting what I say.
I never said marching band was contributing to the advancement of the world. You asked about labor, and I gave you an example.
And thank you for proving that what I said is right.
You said that everything we do kills animals. Therefore, everything we have made is inhumane. It has reached the terrible point where no matter what we do it is harmful to everything around us. Thank you for pointing that out and agreeing with me.
Again, I have no choice about my computer use.
I do not drive a car, and I don't want to for those exact reasons. Cars pollute the environment, make us lazy and fat, are the cause for many deaths of people and animals, and they use up the 'valuable' resource known as oil. I am considering not getting a car at all; I can walk to every place I need to go at this point in my life.
Animals do not have the intelligence to know otherwise like we do...yet you can barely call our abilities 'intelligent'. But they mind their own business, unlike us.
So let me get this straight.
You're against animals...and you're against humans...
SO WHO'S SIDE ARE YOU ON?
All you do is cut down all the species of the world. There's nothing left to cut down! What are you supporting!? NOTHING.
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I'm supporting both, in that I fully accept that humans rely on animals to live and can not avoid harming animals to live. I say that not to agree with you, but to point out that I accept it, you just perceive my perspective incorrectly.
My point is that YOU, YOURSELF are already killing as many animals as I or anybody else is. Everything you do kills animals, so don't act innocent, as though there is a "you" and there is a "us". People who do not eat meat are responsible for more animal deaths than those of us who DO eat meat, because grain harvesting kills more animals than the meat industry does. In every acre of field, dozens of animals die. The fields I own are 75 acres, so every year, hundreds or thousands of animals die as a direct result of harvesting, and many that don't die later on because their habitats and food stores are destroyed. So if you eat, you kill animals. Every minute you use electricity, you are killing animals, whether with nuclear waste, or destructive hydro-electric dams. If you use batteries, that's a thousand times worse yet. So you are already one of "us," don't act like you aren't.
Animals don't mind their own business, what the fuck are you smoking? Ever heard of a forest? Ever walked through one and seen a shredded carcass, or a pile of bones? How's that for minding one's business? Animals don't stay out of the way of humans because they're "minding their own business," they do it because they know they'll be killed if they try to infringe on human territory. And many animals do anyway.
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In response to all three of your segments...
ANIMALS KILL TO LIVE. They kill for two reasons and two reasons alone:
To eat, or to defend its territory from other animals (therefore sometimes causing the wars you referred to).
HUMANS LIVE TO KILL. We kill without mercy, without purpose. Everything we make or do harms something else. We don't just kill to eat. We do not kill to defend our territory, either. It was their land to begin with; they are fighting to take it back...but only to die in the process. We hunt and shoot animals, not to eat them so we can survive, but just to trade them in and get some of our "precious green paper" that all the corrupt bastards with power adore and hold so dear. They stay out of the way because at least they know that now the places we inhabit are nothing but deathtraps to them. If only it was the other way around. If only humans could learn that these lives and these lands are not theirs to take. God made us the lord of the animals and we only abused that power like we always do! Once a human takes control of something, they abuse it relentlessly until everyone and everything else is unhappy. The way we destroy the animals and the wildlife is just like obtaining that power.
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Actually, humans kill to live. They kill for the exact same reasons animals do. Notice that there is always a legal limit to the number of a particular animal that can be hunted at a particular time in a particular place? That's because hunting serves as population control to keep animals at a controllable level in human territory. Not only is it a sport (as it is to animals as well).
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Yes, but we kill for MANY more reasons than that, most of them pointless.
And I have always found it funny that we're obsessed about controlling the animals' populations, yet we don't give a shit about controlling our own. Animals have the right to grow exponentially because WE DO. It is not our business to control and stabilize their numbers; nature has been able to do that since before we showed up.
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So not only do you once again avoid the point, but you think human population is not controlled!? Yeah right! It certainly is controlled, maybe you should live in a place like communist China if you're into that. Or Africa, there population control happens naturally with the spread of AIDS.
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What do you mean avoid the point!?
I am only adressing the subjects you provide me. You brought it up, I replied. Plain and simple.
Our population is NOT controlled.
Do people go around with guns and kill humans just to control the population!? NO. They may kill just to steal something or because they hate them, maybe because it's even their job, but not because it is a priority to control our population. We do this with animals whose population is fewer than ours, yet we don't do this to ourselves. Why is it a concern that a population half our size that is no threat to us must be controlled??? And animals' populations are controlled naturally like you assume ours is. It's been that way ever since animals came to the earth, so why do we all of a sudden have to partake in such a job!?
At least China has the right idea, though they are only controlling their population because they are running out of room in their country. If only every country had the one or two-child rule that China has. It would be a BIG first step to saving the earth, and it's not asking much either.
And just for fun, let me guess what the first few words of your next reply will be...
"You are so full of crap, what bullshit, BLAH BLAH BLAH."
Well did you ever think that maybe you're the one who's full of shit!? Did you ever think the world doesn't revolve around you, or humanity for that matter!? WE ARE NOT THE ONLY CREATURES ON THIS PLANET. We can't simply go around and take whatever we want from other creatures; IT'S NOT RIGHT!!!!
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Um, yes. The Chinese government KILLS infants to control the population. In fact 1 in 3 female infants is killed in government-sanctioned policies.
And by the way, logically we are not obliged to control our own population. That would be animals, following your logic. But since nature operates on survival of the fittest, I suppose animals just take an inferior status being inferior creatures. Blame nature, not mankind, we're only a tiny part of it and in no way in-control of it.
Animals' population is controlled by nature, yes, and we are a part of that nature. You fail to consider this. Do you think wolves are saying, guys, we need to stop killing rabbits, because animals' populations are controlled naturally, we need to stop infringing on that. No, because they are a part of nature as we are.
So you are a communist. I was right in my primary assumption. But it wasn't exactly a big mental leap.
No, I never did think I'm the one who's full of shit, because I make sense and don't draw furries or obsess about animals or have an inferiority complex.
Bottom line is, all other animals just take whatever they want from nature, and we're no different. Prove me wrong.
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Good. Then someone's doing something right.
We aren't obligated to control our own population, yet it is imperative that we control other populations?
Your logic makes no sense.
Animals should only be killed for necessities. To eat is probably the only existing reason. Because we go outside of this rule, we are no longer part of the natural aspect that you so solemly swear by.
Animals are controlled by predation, which is being hunted for necessities by other animals and NOT US. They are also controlled by sickness and natural disasters, like we are. But humans don't have the threat of being prey any longer. There is nothing serious such as that holding our population down.
There are aspects other than nature that can utterly wipe out a population. The meteor killed the dinosaurs in one fell swoop. Do you think that was just nature? No; that one meteor alone was so much more destructive than nature in its entirety could ever be. WE ARE THE METEOR, WIPING OUT THE ANIMALS IN ONE FELL SWOOP. With every arrogant human being like you in the world, that meteor grows in size and wreaks more destruction on the beings that rightfully own this planet.
So what if I'm Communist? They're not entirely bad. Stalin and the Soviet Union sided with the Allies in WWII, and were a very important part in bringing down Hitler.
So if I'm a Communist, I bet you're a dictator. It suits you after all, how you supress other people and strictly confine them to what you believe. Next you'll say you hate Jews. Why don't you just swallow a cyanide pill and die?
And what makes you so absurdly headstrong?
What has given you the right to hold yourself above everyone and everything else?
Why would I prove wrong the fact that humans take whatever they want from nature? You're absolutely right about that. We take whatever we WANT, not what we NEED. And we take not just from nature, but from its creatures too. In the meantime the animals out there are fighting for their lives, taking only what they need and not just what they want.
We have lost our noble roots as cavemen. Back then, we were equal to the animals. There were beings in the world that killed us just for fun. To defeat them, we had to beat them in a test of strength and intellect. Now, all we have to do is pull the trigger and it's done.
This brings us back to the beginning of our argument.
Our survival no longer relies on intellect or strength. We have been at the top of the food chain for so long that we have grown weak and dumb. And as we remain on the top, our mental and physical recession will only continue until things are back to the equillibrium they were before.
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Yes, it makes plenty of sense. Animals control the population of other species but not their own, or did you fail to consider that as well? So why should humans?
WTF? The meteor that wiped out the dinosaurs was not nature...? Well then what the fuck was it, supernatural?
Stalin and the Soviet Union killed more innocent people than Adolf Hitler and the Reich did, so try telling me they're not bad. In fact even if you believe the bullshit 6-million-jews number, try justifying the 100 million communism has killed! Absolutely dwarfing the number of innocents ever killed by Hitler and the Fascists combined.
Animals also take whatever they want from nature. Prove that wrong. Humans aren't the only ones.
Actually, the beginning of the argument was that guns should be banned. You went off on this whole asinine tirade about animals which had hardly anything to do with the original argument.
We may have grown weak and dumb, but we are still superior to animals, aren't we? That hasn't changed. I can actually agree with your closing statement however.
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Though that's not the world we live in...
...perhaps we should make an effort to fix what we don't like. Hands that help are better than lips that speak.
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But no one can help.
How our world works is so enormously ineffective. The arrogant ones who only care about themselves and destroy others are all the ones with power in this world, while the ones that care and are willing to do something are the ones sitting on the bottom and have no power to do anything.
The arrogant leaders sit on their thrones clutching their precious money, calling it names and telling it what they will do. Here's the real thing: MONEY IS GREEN PAPER. IT IS WITHOUT VALUE. It is only an excuse to destroy the trees of our precious forests, destroying another creature's habitat just so we have a small piece of our fake happiness to hold onto.
The animals and forests are slowly but surely disappearing, we are exponentially populating this earth and polluting the skies and the very oxygen we breathe...
AND ALL ANYONE IN AMERICA CARES ABOUT IS OUR ECONOMIC RECESSION.
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*sigh*
My point is you can continue to complain or you can get involved in an attempt to help a cause you care about. You might think no one can help, but that's a lie... and trying is sure as hell more effective than ranting.
"Nobody made a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could only do a little." -Edmunde Burke
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beautifully said
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What can I do?
I am a minor. I have no job, money, nothing that is required for a human to consider someone worthy to help. So I am doing all that I can at the moment: informing people of the mess they have made, hoping that I can encourage people with the requirements to take action.
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You don't need money to help. Raising awareness is the first and largest step. You can do artwork of the animals you are trying to help, and if you want you can even donate it to groups to help raise money. There is always something you can do if you want to. You will find that you will attract more help by informing people politely rather than screaming about how we've all screwed up. That sort of attitude turns people AWAY from conservation, instead of toward it.
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Don't you think I already am?
And no, negativity doesn't do that.
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Well, firstly, you aren't going to encourage people with the way you describe the issues. If you are excessively negative, you're going to actually prevent people from getting involved. You are basically telling people they can't do anything so in reality you are taking people out of a cause. It's counterproductive. I would also suggest focusing on a smaller issue instead of trying to highlight the evils of the way the world works. Getting preoccupied by the latter is naturally discouraging and overwhelming, but if you take up an individual cause, you'll find you can actually be of some use in creating solutions. I have gotten involved in conservation, but I still care about eradicating poverty, but I know if I spread myself too thin I'm not going to accomplish anything. If everyone got involved in an individual cause they cared about, the would would indeed change. It may not seem like much, but it is a start.
Secondly, the moment you start making excuses is the moment you start limiting yourself. I never listened to the people who told me I was too young or too inexperienced. I didn't listen to my parents when they told me I should be artist as opposed to a conservationist. I decided to help and eventually educated myself about getting involved using the internet. I found organizations to volunteer with and built upon my knowledge. Now, I am a member of one of the most influential organizations involved with saving the tiger and I'm in Southeast Asia doing conservation work. I'm also 22 and work retail every summer. I'm a normal person and I'm certainly not rich. I just made the decision to help instead making excuses and it's taken me places I never would have never thought I could go.
If you read the description, you would have noted that the Amur tiger population is actually stable (and research suggests they are increasing), recovering from less than 50 individuals in the mid 20th century. That is because people who cared stepped up and made it happen. They could have given up and said "we're doomed", but they didn't. They fought for it and they have made exceptional achievements. The world is not as dark and unforgiving as you think it is.
I've seen people younger than yourself get involved in a cause, even though they don't have money or other resources. I think you can make a difference, but you have to change your frame of mind.
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YOU are the one that won't get anyone on your side.
If you take a happy and calm approach with it, the people you are trying to reach will get the idea that's it's not important or necessary. You have to FORCE them into action, encourage and inspire them with powerful and charismatic speech.
And I'm not saying they can't do it. I'm telling them "We screwed everything up, and it's our job to fix it!"
I am willing to do everything in my power...but I don't know where to start. I have no clue where to look for organizations that help the environment.
No one ever told me what to be. I decided myself. I decided to be an artist, writer, and environmentalist.
I read the description. Ooooooh 500 tigers, I'm so relieved.
Tell me this...how many tigers used to roam this planet? Surely more than 500! You and that other person are saying that things are better than I think they are, WELL THEY'RE STILL WORSE THAN BEFORE!
It's too late to change my mind about anything.
If you would've caught me about 5 months ago, where my attitude towards this was completely developing, you would've had me. But now you're too late. My mind has hardened and now I believe what I will believe for the rest of my life.
At least I am aware that these terrible things are going on. Some people don't even care; they just stay shut in their houses and worry about the economy.
And didn't you read my signature? It's not just a quote; it's what I am.
You are not the first person who disagrees with me. Every time I am caught up in an argument, no one has taken my side. They all have different views, yet their different views combine to make the same perspective. I am the person who disagrees with everyone, or should I say they disagree with me. That is why I put that. Because no matter who I talk to, they will come up with stupid excuses of petty rules.
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If you ever need more advice, I'll be happy to help. Though you may want to be less defensive when experienced people are trying to give you advice.
Best of luck.
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awwwww ;; poor about tigers ;_; they are my fave animal
It so awesome you can help them drawing
This is awesome Screwbald!
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That snow looks incredible, and the eyes have such depth.
Very Nice!
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I paint on Arches 140lbs hot press watercolor paper. :]
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