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Despite the deletion of the picture, I reupload it, because the dA staff had given me no clear answer as to why a simple portrait is considered Hate Art.In case that the admins will find the re-upload of the artwork a bannable offense, I'm ready to engage in CONSTRUCTIVE discussion of why it is so horrible.
And yes, I consider Breivik a hero and share his viewpoint on what he did. So what? It's my opinion, and you can't guess it by artwork alone. I can consider a hero anyone who I want - that doesn't qualify as hate speech either.
He called himself a Knight Templar, so that's the naming of the pic.
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HAHAHAHAHAHA!
you are 32 years old, but still with both hands on your dick heh? I don't need tips from people like you.
Sooner or later you will learn that some kind of persons just need too be punched.
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Speaking of which, how much was your hospital bill?
murderbymedia.files.wordpress.…
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HEHEHEHEHE! (Oh god, it is still funny to see mentality such people) You named me a "classic internet tough guy", but the only one between us who is still proving that it's you. Who the fuck are you? It was a problem between me and that other thing ("person"), so nobody ask your meaning. Do you like what he did? Do you even have an idea what it's "hero" did?
A classic tough guy you called me. You should put you face in front the mirror and ask yourself: "who the fuck am i?"
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Um, no? Maybe in your little fantasy, but I mean, yelling death threats at people over the internet is pretty unimpressive. Go play somewhere else, kid.
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ps. do you really think you and your kind are to call people, person, human,...?
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you must have weird dreams.
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Of course not. We are overhuman, ubermensch) While you are a human-shaped excrement.
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interesting thought, for someone who stands at a very redicolous position besize the rest of the peoples opinion, but don't worry sometimes stupidity and ignorance may be forgiven
ps: is written Übermensch
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Not PS. It's written ridIculous.
Woah, you're pretty talkative for an excrement. Pity all you can talk about from your experience, is the ass you crawled out of.
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XD Wow ! Your nazi's are really so motivated as you think. Pity that you never done anything.
Maybe one day with more act and less blahblah, you all will reach something
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Im sorry, I cant hear you over the fact how awesome I am and how you are an anthropomorohic pile of feces.
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Nice XD! That remember me a looser with a tiny mustache
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That remember you... Narurally for a talking turd, English is not your forte.
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naRurally not XD
It is so funny to listening to all your storys. Congratulation! You have really a lot of fantasy.
Why do you paint? You should write comedys!
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GO AND FUCK YOURSELF COCK SUCKING SON OF A BICHT !!!
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What's wrong with oral sex?
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I don't know too much 'bout the situation but..
Never had a good look for people doing "Shootings" like these.
Might be because I live in a peaceful place.
Oh we still get shootings, but.. mostly in streets and schools, not a whole "massacre" like this guy did, as what I've heard.
I just don't know what's so Heroic about him.
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He did kill innocents, but I want that rifle so bad.
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I really think that the whole "innocents" thing becomes really redundant
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How about "defenseless"? Or "unarmed"?
I can understand the fear of losing your country's heritage. I can understand thinking your race is more dominant than others. I can understand being incredibly frustrated and feel you're pushed to desperate measures.
What I don't understand is, how someone is able to line up their sights time and time again on defenseless children, make bullets rip through their bodies and end them.
In the description above you say "Breivik is your hero and that's your opinion". Does someone who disagrees with your viewpoints have the right to silence you permanently? To end your life at any moment?
You think those kids cannot be called innocent? Who can we call innocent? Is anyone safe from being gunned down in cold blood because of a difference of opinion?
In a world of Breiviks... will your kids come home from camp?
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This guy ^. Right up above me. Look at that! Constructive criticizing.
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You're making the same argument that had been made before, and I already answered to it and presented a counterargument.
First off, people who disagree with my viewpoint DO have the right to silence me permanents. It can be broke down to 3 components. Component A: yes, I stretch the same reality to myself too. A person has all the right to try and kill me, but that wouldn't mean that I am going to stand there and allow it to happen. They have the right to attempt it, I have the right to thwart that attempt. But yes, they have that freedom.
Component B: unlike me, they have an unspoken ENCOURAGEMENT of the current society to do so. You really shouldn't try this argument with me, because the current societal ideology ENCOURAGES people to harm right-wingers, national-socialists and nationalists. Every movie, book and videogame is saying KILLING NAZIS IS GOOD AND FUN, AND THAT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO, FOLKS! And if I were killed, just for my views, I wouldn't be exonerated and professed "innocent", or seen something more than a Nazi (an artist or journalist, that I am) - no, my murderers would be justified, applauded and of course, given a shorter sentence. Me, on the other hand, well, the most vocal people would be pissing and dancing on my grave and going "yay, that's what you should do to Nazis!".
Component C - I actually live in a country where such an outcome is possible, and I experienced violence, physical violence directed at me. So it is a real prospect. But, that doesn't stop me from believing what I believe in, all of it. Because it is all part of human nature.
To answer you question noone can be called innocent, because innocence is a religious term and an abstract concept that isn't derived from objective reality. Noone is safe, until we have more or less homogenous societites with our current level of technological development.
Hitlerjugend didn't come back home from WW2. Don't see you crying for them. And these kids that were killed, were completely analogous to Hitlerjugend - just on the other side of the fence. That is how allies gunned the German kids down. And you can understand such soldiers - untill you see Arab kids cutting head off prisoners, or trying to shoot guns at soldiers, it's hard to imagine, but kid doesn't equal defenceless.
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Please read this with a calm voice in mind. I am not trying to pick a fight.
You're sketching a world where everyone should always be armed at any age and ready to die at any time. That's terrifying.
Please don't say "you shouldn't try this with me" like I'm trying to trick you. I'm trying to converse with you.
I would actually agree that through movies, books and such, Hitler's soldiers are portrayed as the army of the devil. They were people. And it shouldn't be entertainment to watch them die. When I watch a documentary about WWII and it shows killed German soldiers or the A-bombs dropping, it is without glee, I assure you. War is ugly and all sides can be accused of horrible acts. Then and now.
Justice should be equal to all. If you were harmed or killed, unprovoked, because of your beliefs, the culprit should get equal punishment as someone who inflicts harm on another person for any other reason than self defense. And I do not wish harm to come to you, no matter what your beliefs. If you were attacked without cause, that is wrong and I´m sorry it happened.
You don´t see me crying over Hitlerjugend? What are you saying? If anyone commented "glad those Hitlerjugend were killed", I would be equally worried by the lack of insight and respect for young life. Why do you presume I take delight in seeing people hurt just because they think differently from me?
Tell me, Torture... what is it you really love? Your race? Your country? Your superior health and well being? Your vision of what the future should be like?
Or do you simply love violence? Your name, your gallery, your icon. All so angry. So hostile. So violent.
Fair enough if you do love violence. But if your country, your continent, the world even, were in an ideal state in your opinion... would you be at peace? Or will there always be enemies to your ideals?
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And Im not fighting you either. You asked me a question, I am merely answering it.
No. Im not sketching a world were everyone is armed and ready to die. Im sketching a world where easily predicted CONSEQUENCES to previously done ACTIONS dont come to people as a complete surprise and moral sin. Thats the world where I live in - a world of consequences and responsibility and personal conviction.
Well, here is where your argument falters. You say "if I were harmed UNPROVOKED", "IF i were attacked without CAUSE", then its wrong. But if we take this down the logical course, your words mean that there are situations where harm and violence is dealt justly and accordingly, because of the victims own actions. Like say, when the American media, instead of offering condolences to the victims of the Domodedovo airport bombing (that was in Russia) and condemning the terrorist act as it usually done, begam speculating if those Russian civilians got what was coming to them from the "rebels", because the terrorist were sooo poor and oppressed and discriminared against by the Russian government. See, it doesnt matter that people died - there was a "cause".
But then, using your logic, I can safely say that yes, they provoked Breivik, his victims, they were attacked with a cause. And it makes it stomacheable, doesnt it?
Of course, you can argue what constitutes a cause. But then the line would be very fluid. Some say, want to kill me simply for my views. Some - for my presumed actions. So for what human activity is violence and death a valid retribution? Im sure many people have many answers to that question, and Im offering just one of them.
But thats what people always say, didnt you know?
I love everything. I love my country, nation, race, my people and violence. See, I dont have a delusion of reaching an ideal state of being for anyone. I believe that there is no final destination, no peace, but a perpetual struggle that serves the progress of my people. Violence is a tool to ensure that this process does not stop.
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Well... I've read some of the other conversations you've had. And the funny thing is, I understand and, as you can tell from my last reply, even agree on some points. But we'll remain at odds. Specially when it comes to violence and the justification thereof.
Nevertheless, I'm going to end it here. This back and forth replying, is a less than perfect way to communicate and hideously time consuming.
Thank you for a civil conversation. Perhaps the pen is mightier than the sword? Little joke
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Well, very nice of you not even to try to argue what I said when I showed you examples of the unsavory double standard your logic implies)
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Well, I can honestly care less who he killed, but that rifle, It's got everything you need to survive for almost any situation. Though I do believe it's quite redundant to have two flashlights, unless one of them dies out. Fuck, I just countered what I said there.
Off topic: Have you ever heard of Cattle Decapitation?
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You're a great artist. You have really captured how sad and pathetic this man is.
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From my view-point Breivik did astonishing job, but before hating me just think about he could kill dozen random people in Oslo by bombing or other stuff. Instead he chose to kill kids who'd become future Norwegian social party members. It sounds anti-moral but he wanted to help by removing future leaders who are afraid to do anything in front being blamed by others. Maybe after some years we'll thank to him who showed that there's is chance to have safe future.
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Hey, let's kill every kid ever! A few will obviously become bad people, so why take our chances?
NO YOU FUCKING IDIOT, what kind of solution is that? Those children might have colonized the moon, discovered a treatment for cancer,
And what "safe future" are you talking about? The one where people shoot kids on a hunch? Where mass killings are the norm? Yeah, totally safe!
Your sorry attempt at rationalizing this man's actions was a complete flop.
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you, =torture-device , are just human scum!
you can't hate a man, if you don't know him?!
you say you are racist? did you ever thought about the definition of race? what is a human? just a word for you? a race is not defined by the skin color or the place the man comes from, every human is a human, no matter where he came from! the human race consists of male, and female humans, thats all!
you're referring to the free sharing of your opinion, but why do you think you have the right to say what you want, while anyone else doesn't even can live where he/she wants?
it doesn't matter where people are from as long as they are nice!
B' was a monster! like you are one, because people like you disturb the freedeom of mankind with unnecessary violence and hate!
maybe my english isn't the best, but i think you understand what i wanted to say, even if you can't understand my opinion...
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"it doesn't matter where people are from as long as they are nice!"
Well, that's the problem, there are place where people aren't so nice. Should we be tolerant of the intolerant and be tolerant while they spread their intolerance, until we can no longer be tolerant because there is only intolerance?
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Yeah, I understand.
Your indignation only makes my conviction stronger, though. You should be stupid to think that your childish outlook will change my perceptions or goals or ideas.
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Heroes don't massacre unarmed kids.That is the action of a coward.
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Cowardice is to not act according to your conviction in fear of punishment.
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Should of taken a knife.
Gives a good jog.
:^)
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Yes, that is correct, but that still doesn't mean what he did was heroic, far from it. There are sensible ways to act on ones conviction. Going to a summer camp and shooting up everyone you see is by no means the action of a hero or someone that should be admired.
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Yeah, but for some reason this line of thought wasnt employed by the Allies when they massacred the hitlerjugend kids?
Ah, things such as age and "innocence" suddenly stop being a moral barrier when the "children" share an ideology you dont like. Well, I - and more importantly, Breivik - didnt like the ideology of the Utoya youth, and in fact, they were just another version of hitlerjugend, so by historic example, its only a good deed to stop brainwashed enemy kids from reaching full-fledged ideological zealotry, no?
Breivik, therefore, is no less of a hero than any Allied soldier.
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I don't recall of any instance where allies massacred hitlerjugend but even IF they did that doesn't mean it was ok for Breivik to commit mass murder on kids as well. Two wrongs
don't make a right.
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Strange if you would "recall", it happened before your birth. And history is written by victors, usually. The Anglo-world never disclosed to its population the reality of WW2.
But yes, it happened, in 1944-45, especially during the battle for Berlin.
No, it does mean its OK for Breivik to do what he did, because his country is at war and his nation is in danger. Here's another point - the French, Polish and Russians killed their compatriots who collaborated with Germans, as traitors. These kids are collaborators too, with the enemies of Norway, which aim to dissipate the monolithity of the Norwegian people and to destroy it as a distinct ethnicity. He exterminated traitors in the bud, how wrong is that?
So theres nothing WRONG about it. The difference is, that you dont see an undercover, creeping war that goes on in Europe. But we who live in Europe, see and participate in it. But its very much a warzone, and the rules and needs of a war time are applicable.
Therefore, its no mass murder or anything if the sort. Its partisanship, like in Belarus in '42.
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When I say recall I mean in regards to what I learned in school and what I have learned on my own. There are a lot of things that were never really disclosed
about WW2, both what happened in Europe and what happened in the Pacific.
No, you are right, I do not live in Europe and I do not live in Norway so I don't have first hand experience as to what is happening there currently.
However.. Just because one person or one country commits a grave atrocity does not, in my opinion, mean it is ok for another person or country to commit an atrocity in retaliation.
Was it wrong for Allied forces to firebomb Dresden in WW2? Absolutely. Was it wrong Breivik to commit mass murder? Absolutely. Two wrongs don't make a right now matter how you try to spin it. If you honestly believe
that Norway is being threatened then I have to say that the act of murdering young kids isn't going to win you any support. In fact it is just going to do the exact opposite.
Exterminating traitors in the bud? I'm not sure how old you are but judging from what you have written it doesn't sound like you are all that old. I know that when I was a young teenager I certainly didn't have any political aspirations. In fact no one I knew did. But lets just say that it is possible for those kids to be traitors to whatever cause. Say you yourself had a kid someday and someone decided to murder him or her just because of what YOU thought and not necessarily what they thought.
Governments, in the long run, are inherently evil. If you want to fight back though I suggest reading up on people like Gandhi. People like him and his actions are what make true and long lasting impacts. In the long run people, the majority of them, are only going to view Breivik as a twisted lunatic/murder of children.
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No. It's totally okay to commit atrocities in retaliation. For example, the nuclear load dropped over the heads of the CITIZENS (not military) of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was a retaliatory act of intimidation and terror after Pearl Harbor. It was revenge, plain and simple. Yet, for some reason, noone pesters US of A about that genocide? It's all but forgotten, written off as a simple wartime operation. But some German assaults are still, for unknown to me reasons, are marked as pure evil.
However, terror is important in modern warfare, because modern warfare draws in citizens, not only military, as participants of the war - rioters, partisans, behind-the-line workers and so on. Terror is employed to decrease the efficiency of the non-military combatants of the enemy, as they are more susceptible of fear and it is they, who supply the regular military. That how it has always been done. But if one side commits an act of terror and murder, not retaliating would be a WRONG course of action for the other side.
Let's talk about everybody's favorite jews. The Israel Defense force had been able to very effectively combat domestic muslim terrorism, employing a rather ugly, from you point, tactic. Let me tell you about it. The suicide bombers that blew themselves up in Israel had been recruited by muslim terrorist organisations with a promise to supply the suicidees family - ie, their service were brought by terrorists by paying to the suicide bombers family. It was very widespread, and seeing that muslim families tend to have a large number of offspring, even the families themselves encouraged sons to go join some terrorist cell and die for Allah, in return for hearty (by arab standards) payment. The Israelis knew of the scheme, and came up with a rather genius approach - they monitored the "peacefull, innocent" families of suspected terrorists, and at the slightest notion, detain them under custody and conviction. Not the terrorists - their families, with threats and all. Women, kids, etc. Basically, they were taken hostage. And it broke the whole scheme - there was no economic reason for a suicide bomber to blow himself up, when the money would get nowhere, certainly not to the jailhouse.
Basically, an enemy that knows that you wont repay in full, will consider you weak, and not benevolent, like you'd want to think. That's why muslims feel so nice in Europe, thats why the commit the largest portion of crime in these countries - because they know the europeans are weak. Because they know, that if they cut the head off a british soldier on the streets of London, there would be no retaliation - no british would cut the head off their relative in return. Not retaliating violently just breeds more violence and a sense of invincibility in the enemy.
How does this tie into killing TEENAGERS. Since you delve into individual accounts all the time, let me explain. I'm a National Socialist. I'm a white supremacist. My beliefs include the belief of the innate superiority of the white man, however, my policy does not include, in rational thought, the physical extermination of non-whites. My policy is very simple - Im certain that white europeans have a right to their land and the right to self-determination, and the right to repel any person or ethnicties, from entering their white countries and living there. I believe that ANY white community deserves this kind of independence as other non-white states enjoy, including Japan and South Africa. Ergo, I believe in lawful apartheid. It doesn't actually HURT anyone - I mean, if I am wrong, and blacks and arabs are just as good as whites, they are perfectly capable of building just as awesome, thriving and vibrant nations as we did in Europe. On their land. Not build them on MY land. Now, you would agree that this is reasonable - at least, it's not violent. I'm not standing and saying all jews should be murdered, right? No. I'm just saying, that the majority of jews/phillipinos/saudi arabians/nigerians should and can live in their respective states, and that if my state decides that we prohibit a certain amount of these people from entering, it's our fucking business, because we run this shit.
However. However. Anti-fascists believe I should be KILLED for believing this. Liberals and communists think I should be JAILED (and raped in the jail) for believing this. None-whites want me KILLED for this. And given good circumstances, these groups would act on their belief. Attacks of teenage antifascists on people they believe to be "racists" are often and often lethal. The amount of say, black-on-white crime in the States is constantly climbing - for example, a few days ago a young australian guy who was out jogging, was killed by a group of BLACK TEENAGERS (15 to 17 years, just like those on Utoya in age), and his killers wrote on their Twitter that they "hate white people and should be killed". I myself had been injured in a non-white attack in my homeland when I was young.
But that's only the tip of the iceberg. Because of the indoctrination the teenagers now recieve, the following is a likely scenario - say, I am attacked in a few years by a non-white and kill or injure them in self-defence. My prosecutor might be such a teenager, years later. He still holds the same views, and because I had killed a non-white, from the prism of his belief (that had been set in his childhood), he will convict me with a hate crime. Or at least, he will try to - I will get no fair trial. In these few years, this teenager could be my editor - and he will tell me to lie about crime stats and crime details, to conceal the real magnitude of immigrant crime, or threaten me to loose my job.
That is the consquence. None of these teenagers, however, will think about MY life, MY safety, MY feelings. They and their parent sure do not do it now! In every media the common theme is KILLING FASCISTS (NAZIS, NEO-NAZIS, FUTURE NEO-NAZIS, WHITES, WHITE MALE, WHITE BUSINESSMEN, WHITE BIGOTS), etc. They are brought up being told that I am the purest evil, and I must be eradicated. ERADICATED. Not moved to my own country of white supremacism - eradicated. They will not give me even the level of reason I as a Nazi am willing to give to the people I consider inferior.
Then, the question arises - why should I consider them as anything, but a threat to me, to the people that share my worldviews and values, to my nation itself? You say - what if I had a kid someday and someone decided to murder them because of what I thought? Well my answer to you is - THAT IS ALREADY THE REALITY. IT IS PERMISSABLE BY THE CURRENT SOCIETY. If my child was murdered, people would just cheer and rejoice. And I have no sympathy for such a society or THEIR kids, then.
Therefore, it boils down to a very simple, naturalistic truth - kill or be killed. Dying, however, will not do anyone any good. But killing someone else - might. Breivik, I think, realized that. He knew he could not bring about changes through peaceful means - they are closed to us. You cannot reason with people that branded you as the ultimate evil. Any kind of constructive dialogue would be drowned with RACIST! NAZI! BIGOT! GO KILL YOURSELF! That's the major point. The current ideology shuts up anyone who doesnt share it, and does so by imposing a WITCH label on those who do.
Imagine, if I decided to express my views in a peacefull manner - by giving speeches, writing books and etc, like I do now? Hm, well, I'd be just harmed or killed, because it's encouraged to harm me due to the fact that I believe in something "harmful". The idea is that white nationalism is so evil, that any proponent of it deserves inhumane treatment in advance. Tell me it's not true. But then, I think it's just logical to flip this line of thinking. Liberalism is evil. Any liberal, old or yound, deserves the harshest treatment so they cannot enact their policy that harms me.
That's the truth. Of course Breivik had no illusions about how his act will be seen by people who already made their mind up. It was done for US, for people like me, so we would finally understand the truth - kill or be killed. 70 dead teenagers = 70 liberal lawyers that will not put some other 700 poor white sods in a prison under the "hate speech" law.
Every little bit counts in this war.
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Ну еще бы. Цвет лица неестественен, пятна, мутно все. Расположение головы не совпадает с положением рук и винтовки. По замыслу видно что должен целиться через прицел, а глаза смотрят вообще в сторону. Задний фон сливается с телом.
Унылое дерьмо.
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Бывают же самокритичные люди... Восхищаюсь.
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Very nice drawing! I myself think he is a very brave man, too bad he killed some people by mistake
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