tablelander In reply to ??? [2012-07-30 02:04:03 +0000 UTC]

Ok well I have a post production program like photoshop called paintshop Pro 9--it has an effect in it called rotating mirror--basically I have control of the mirror angle & what it does is mirrors the left hand side of the photo --really it's the effect that does the work but admittedly---3 years of photos --nearly every day I'm out & 20,000 photos to choose from---Back to You friend--My suggestion is this--have You considered combining animals together--for example--giraffe head & neck on turtle body with elephant legs--I can't do that YET--although I probably could in dA Muro--LOL

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FicticiousAnimation In reply to tablelander [2012-07-30 02:34:44 +0000 UTC]

Hey that's a great idea! Like a PlatyBear from Avatar: The Last irbender! XD! I never thought of that but I totally know how to put animal heads and stuff together, in Gimp or in 3D with Blender.

I can teach you how to copy and paste heads...? It's really easy in Gimp but I never used Paintshop before...

Wait mirror angle? THat's awesome. I've never heard of such a thing. XD! Awesome artwork!!!

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tablelander In reply to FicticiousAnimation [2012-07-30 02:40:16 +0000 UTC]

Just a thought--I've never used Gimp or Blender so My friend--Shun--Have Fun & let Me know how You go--OK

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FicticiousAnimation In reply to tablelander [2012-07-30 02:58:35 +0000 UTC]

Okay XD!
I wish you the best of luck with your art! (XD you're already miles ahead of me. )

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tablelander In reply to FicticiousAnimation [2012-07-30 03:04:23 +0000 UTC]

in some things--But you are miles ahead of Me in others

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FicticiousAnimation In reply to tablelander [2012-07-30 03:07:14 +0000 UTC]

LOL i'm only 16... Thanks for the compliment though. We all have our skills, right?

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tablelander In reply to FicticiousAnimation [2012-07-30 04:09:20 +0000 UTC]

exactly--I started late in life learning computers--I'm more hands on --I'm a Wood Carver--Wood Turner--but photography is My other expression

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FicticiousAnimation In reply to tablelander [2012-07-30 17:58:42 +0000 UTC]

Wood?? Like a carpenter?? That is so awesome!!! That has always been something I wanted to do but I never learned XD!

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tablelander In reply to FicticiousAnimation [2012-07-31 03:03:59 +0000 UTC]

check out my wood carving folder in my gallery AND My wood samples--it'll give You some idea

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FicticiousAnimation In reply to tablelander [2012-07-31 03:23:05 +0000 UTC]

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tablelander In reply to FicticiousAnimation [2012-07-31 03:32:05 +0000 UTC]

I don't understand Why You put that link there?

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FicticiousAnimation In reply to tablelander [2012-07-31 03:44:52 +0000 UTC]

It's not a link. It's a "plz" account. Plz accounts are just like pictures.
Like I show your picture.
Then I show InuSuckplz which is this picture.
If you put them together It looks like Inu is sucking on your face.

I did it because I love your artwork so much and it's funny XD!

If you can't see the pictures I can help you with that. I am excellent with computers.

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tablelander In reply to FicticiousAnimation [2012-07-31 03:54:08 +0000 UTC]

Ah ok I didn't get it is all--MY computer skills are really crap- I'm still typing one finger--lol--I'm thinking of setting up an etsy account but I'll probably leave that to My girlfriend to do I have no idea--I can upload & post on here but that's easy--sometimes

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FicticiousAnimation In reply to tablelander [2012-07-31 03:59:04 +0000 UTC]

LOL sorry but you're obviously really good with computers because of your photography skills and your Painttool SAI skills.

Wanna' know something cool? You can bring up a clicking keyboard on your screen. That way you can type one-handedly without wearing out your finger.

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tablelander In reply to FicticiousAnimation [2012-07-31 04:13:38 +0000 UTC]

the paint tools basically work themselves--the little bit of post production--is years of practice--photography is a by sight thing--& this amazing place that I live but I would be interested in the on-scereen keyboard--How?--step by step I'm really DUMB

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FicticiousAnimation In reply to tablelander [2012-07-31 04:51:37 +0000 UTC]

That's awesome. XD! I use Gimp which is kind of like paintTool i guess XD!

Well if you're on Windows 7 it's easy.

Just click the start button in the bottom left corner of the screen. there will be a little text box that says to search or whatever. then type in "on screen keyboard", and click on screen keyboard.

if you are using Windows XP or something else i know how to do that too. In fact, I am using the on-screen keyboard now. ^^

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tablelander In reply to FicticiousAnimation [2012-07-31 04:58:05 +0000 UTC]

XP--but I'm not so smart so slow & step by step--but sleep now

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FicticiousAnimation In reply to tablelander [2012-08-01 01:18:05 +0000 UTC]

[link]

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tablelander In reply to FicticiousAnimation [2012-08-01 04:10:23 +0000 UTC]

Thanks Shun--I'll try that later

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FicticiousAnimation In reply to tablelander [2012-08-01 04:30:27 +0000 UTC]

Okay. Yay!

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draconiangem In reply to ??? [2012-07-28 02:15:22 +0000 UTC]

Honestly, I think we as artists are putting WAY to much thought into this. If we analyze it and pull it apart to the point where one's head begins to hurt, it's not enjoyable anymore. We start to create castes and rules that divide a free flowing culture full of diversity. Art is what ever you want it to be.

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FicticiousAnimation In reply to draconiangem [2012-07-28 03:06:13 +0000 UTC]

How very true! Personally, I pain my head even knowing this.

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rosuto-kia In reply to ??? [2012-07-28 02:11:56 +0000 UTC]

1. Art can be just about anything or about anything, so there is room for it, but that dosen't mean I like it. 2. It's in the eye of the beholder. Where you grew up, where you are now, and other things of such will tell you yes or no. 3. Depends how lazy I feel. 4. Depends how lazy I feel. Just another art to me, instead of focusing what catagory it is, focus on each individual picture.

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WhiteAngelCarstairs In reply to ??? [2012-07-28 02:10:40 +0000 UTC]

1. i think art should represent politics if thats what the artist wants. but over all i don't think art is every politics related unless u want it to be.
2. i think art is becoming more and more robots and destoryed buildings. i don't have a problem with this because it's what the artist wants to paint. i say let them. but a lot of art now is done with computers and show cases are online.
3. i think when i see art i figure out wheather or not i like the art's message.
4. i sometimes make a message into my art depending on what i'm drawing.

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FicticiousAnimation In reply to WhiteAngelCarstairs [2012-07-28 03:07:20 +0000 UTC]

I make my 3D art digitally and showcase it online. Does this make me any less of an artist than a photographer or somebody who paints on a canvas?

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winterkate In reply to ??? [2012-07-28 02:00:47 +0000 UTC]

1. I think the problem here is in the question. Art can make political statements. That doesn't necessarily mean it should or should not, but it can and is used to move messages every day. But saying art 'should' be one thing or another limits art; it creates a can and cannot, a may and a may not that prevents movement in all directions. What should art be? I don't know, but I don't really think it's my place to decide.
2. Slam! Slam, slam, slam, slam, slam. Also, there's a more Beat and surrealist style emerging in free verse, while traditional verse has faded almost entirely from the times. Which I am fine with.
3. I do try to figure out the message. That may or may not have any bearing on whether or not I think the piece is good - certainly bad poems can have clear messages, and good poems ambiguous ones - but I do always try to puzzle out a meaning for a piece.
4. As a writer, I believe the piece always has to have meaning, or it won't be any good. I also believe that if it has meaning to me, then other people will be able to interpret it - and so far, I haven't been proved wrong.

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Assassin424 In reply to ??? [2012-07-28 01:53:11 +0000 UTC]

You spelled "Surrealism" wrong.

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The-Elven-Gamer In reply to ??? [2012-07-28 01:52:32 +0000 UTC]

Suggestivism=The artistic display of a very disturbed mind. XD

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draconiangem In reply to The-Elven-Gamer [2012-07-28 01:59:37 +0000 UTC]

This is true... many times only the artist really knows what it means or what it means to them on a personal level. I admit at times the first words that pop into my mind are not "wow" but "wtf?" O.o

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FicticiousAnimation In reply to draconiangem [2012-07-28 03:08:30 +0000 UTC]

THat's what I thought with that piggy bank skull thing above.

I was like... "This looks awesome, but what does it mean...?" I have decided that I don't like that piece...

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awesomecrafter In reply to ??? [2012-07-28 01:49:05 +0000 UTC]

1. Art has enough room for both. It all should depend on the artist themself to decide what their art is about and what they want to message.
2. I do feel some change with what art is considered good. Damien Hirst's painted dots are called art by many critics in the UK. I try to figure out the point behind them but it seems almost impossible. I heard someone stuck a piece of blue tac on the wall and got an award in art. Bad movement.
3. I always try to figure out. Helps you become a better artist if you understand art.
4. If I'm drawing fan art or just pictures of my OC, mainly aesthetics. I'm making a new piece that will be called "The other side of China" that will convey a message to the viewer.

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ArtisticAxis In reply to ??? [2012-07-28 01:48:26 +0000 UTC]

1. both! why not?

2. I haven't seen a movement. That's probably not a good sign as I see art itself taking a backseat in these economic times

3 Depends on what they are trying to convey. Both

4. I like messages in my art but mostly I just concern about technique......because I'm a noob

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Illwynde In reply to ??? [2012-07-28 01:46:13 +0000 UTC]

There's room for both, and more. Politics, pro, con, indifferent, are beside the point, they are just another batch of tools that the artist can choose to use or not.

The Movement I see is in the artists, not the art. The new and wider technology allows more and more people who would otherwise have been forced to remain "silent" to instead express themselves. This can only be good, regardless of whatever one thinks of the resulting quality and style.

I have no desire to disect. I know what I like; sometimes I dislike what is acceptable as good and sometimes I like what is considered bad. Why the artist creates is their business. How I react is mine.

I don't try to transmit any message, as I only have one message in my pieces: It's a small world and very very bad. And anyone who has looked at my work knows I have no concern for technique or aesthetics.

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KayVeeDee In reply to ??? [2012-07-28 01:46:12 +0000 UTC]

1. My policy regarding art is that art is whatever you make it out to be. There's no reason in my opinion why there shouldn't be room for both political and apolitical art.

2. I don't actually pay attention to art movements. My take on it is that they happen everywhere; music, fashion, etc. But in the end it's up to the individual who decides what to wear or what to listen to. I think art is the same way.

3. If I think there's a message I look for it. But sometimes art is cute or funny or beautiful and i just enjoy it for that.

4. The same way I look at art, I do a lot of art for the sake of painting something cute or beautiful. Sometimes I do art out of obligation or competitive ideas. I usually don't treat art as a medium for ideas rather than an outlet for emotion.

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RookieOwl In reply to ??? [2012-07-28 01:45:02 +0000 UTC]

1. Why not?
2. ..... no I guess
3. Sometimes
4. .... Nope...... my art it's a reflection of who I am.... not exactly how do I feel which will be hard to do especially at this time (teenage) I can feel awesome, sad, revengeful, happy, worried and love drunk all in a same day

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Turbodragoon In reply to ??? [2012-07-28 01:39:01 +0000 UTC]

There's been suggestivism longer than one would think. It's called Adult Swim.

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winterkate In reply to Turbodragoon [2012-07-28 02:01:33 +0000 UTC]

Lol

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Arlouette In reply to ??? [2012-07-28 01:38:39 +0000 UTC]

Hmm...very similar to Surrealism in the way that you're not supposed to allow your art to be created by being influenced or dictated by consciousness (painting what your unconscious sees aka dreams).
This is very interesting.

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Sachi-pon In reply to ??? [2012-07-28 01:37:43 +0000 UTC]

1. there's room for both, but i prefer art that is not political. i like politics and my interest in art is completely separate.

2. i don't think there's a movement, really.

3. i decide whether i like or dislike it. and i hate art that i have to "figure out" the meaning of. i like when the artist is clear about what they are trying to do. why is it my job to interpret others' art?

4. i usually don't try to convey much of a message, but more like a concept or emotion!

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Jay-Hyena In reply to ??? [2012-07-28 01:37:39 +0000 UTC]

"Should art be political or apolitical? Or do you think there’s room enough for both?"

I believe that art should either be a recreational activity or hobby that the artist enjoys, whether hey wish to convey political messages within their artwork is entirely up to the artist. Art isn't about political or apolitical, it's about freedom of expression.

"Do you sense there being any current “movement” in the arts world today? Is this a good or bad state of things?"

I think it's certainly possible, but as those who were a part of the Renaissance, we will not know that we are in the midst of a new art movement until later on in history. That's how I feel, anyways.

"Do you try to “figure out” an artist’s intent or message when looking at art, or do you simply decide whether you like or dislike each piece of art?"

It depends on the purpose of the art. Sometimes they're simply there to convey strong emotions, sometimes they display a clear political issue that should be noted. I try to interpret art in many different ways, and the open-mindedness thinking on art pieces requires is a really enjoyable experience for me.

"In your own art, do you try to transmit any sort of message, or do you concern yourself only with technique and aesthetics?"

Occasionally. I prefer to just draw what I like.

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Hell-is-a-56 In reply to ??? [2012-07-28 01:32:42 +0000 UTC]

1- Why on earth wouldn't there be room for both?

2- I'm not immersed enough in the art world to say.

3- I decide whether I like or dislike it. If the artist left no specifics as to what they were feeling or trying to convey, then there's no point in me analyzing it. After all, you've got factors like my limited worldview, potential values dissonance, and differing cultural motifs working against that, just to name a few obstacles, and I'm no historian/anthropologist/psychologist.

I do wonder about what some things mean, but unless I'm writing a paper or in a particularly pensive mood, I don't spend time thinking about the intent behind a piece.

4- I'm a limited talent jewelry crafter, so while I may try to project a mood onto something, there's no room for me to focus on anything but technique for right now. I know you very well CAN put a message into wearable art, it's just that I personally can't just yet. I'm not sure if I'd want to anyway, but that remains to be seen.

This was a great read!

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media-boy In reply to ??? [2012-07-28 01:32:13 +0000 UTC]

An interesting artical.

#1 Neither. Art should be simply (and will simply) be an expression of the times. "Sugestivism" is simply expressing the hearts of today's artists. With so many people wanting the world to have 'unconditional accsseptance' of all views and beliefs, structure and order begin to fade. Hence we have Sugestivism.

#2 yes there is a movement. But sadly it's filled with...well...sad people, all looking for hope in a world where structure is fading.

#3-I do try an interprite an artists message, I just hope the message was worth interpreting.

#4- I am trying more and more to create art with a message. If a pice of art does not have a message, then we've wasted our time. (but the message itself could be as simple as a emotion, so it's hard to say if a pice of art is message less)

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laurenm7410 In reply to ??? [2012-07-28 01:27:37 +0000 UTC]

i like this nw category i think that artist can make more of a statement using this category.

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7outerelements In reply to ??? [2012-07-28 01:21:26 +0000 UTC]

1. Art has enough room to be both or neither (though I can't really imagine what "neither" would look like). It's the perceptions of the consumers of art that may not have room for politics or the gaping vacuum they might leave. That's entirely personal.

2. I don't think my view of the art world is wide enough to denote any trends, if such a thing is even possible in the moment. Sort of like attempting to chart the path of earth across the universe by staring at the ground.

3. Perceiving an artist's intent is so reflexive that it's hardly a choice. Not just for me, but everyone. You can't look at a painting and see ordered lines, shading, colors, and a frame. You see a goldfish. Just like how the artist wanted you to. Or maybe you see a dead goldfish - a corrupted interpretation of the artist's intent. That's still a reflexive attempt to understand. Or maybe you think that this goldfish represents the short memory of today's media structure, circling it's bowl endlessly. Or that it's just a goldfish. All are interpretations of the picture, and all have the chance to align, conflict, or partially eclipse the artist's original intent.

TL;DR: There is no appreciation without interpretation.

4. Messages can either be the bones of a story, or the last layer of lacquer. I've written stories that grew around an idea, and I've written stream of consciousness challenges to myself with no goal in mind besides making something involving a wrench and smiles. I find that, after they've had a few days to cool, there's no apparent difference. Stories - even those concerned only with aesthetics - carry meaning like you carry breath in your lungs. Even if you work hard to press every cubic inch out, it's difficult to completely evacuate. And if you somehow succeed, chances are the story is dead.

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RayvensEye In reply to ??? [2012-07-28 01:16:44 +0000 UTC]

Should art be political or apolitical?
* I think it should be whatever the individual artist wants it to be.

Do you sense there being any current “movement” in the arts world today? Is this a good or bad state of things?
* I have not sensed any current movement, but that is because I am wrapped up in my own world at the moment and my projects.

Do you try to “figure out” an artist’s intent or message when looking at art, or do you simply decide whether you like or dislike each piece of art?
* It really depends on the frame of mind I am in and the time I have to look at a piece, as to whether or not I try to figure out the intent or message.

In your own art, do you try to transmit any sort of message, or do you concern yourself only with technique and aesthetics?
* I do try to transmit messages in my digital and painting work, especially the projects I am about to embark on. Technique and aesthetics play a part in my work, but are not all there is to it.

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Ookiee In reply to ??? [2012-07-28 01:15:21 +0000 UTC]

looks like nothing more than pop surrealism to me.

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KT-245 In reply to Ookiee [2012-07-28 01:22:11 +0000 UTC]

I agree.

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If-not-for-Gravity In reply to ??? [2012-07-28 01:13:11 +0000 UTC]

Art manifesting its own awareness, objective of its creator and objective of any observer. Creativity flourishing as a conscious entity.

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jerrykimbro In reply to ??? [2012-07-28 01:07:21 +0000 UTC]

Sounds like more elitist Ahhhrtistic 'ism' garbage to me. And I know 'ism's I had to study art history in college for three years.

1. Should art be political or apolitical? Do you think there's room for both. A: Sure whatever dings your dong. Me- I'll take my art chicken fried.

2. Do you sense there being any current “movement” in the arts world today? Is this a good or bad state of things? A: Probably, as they have to trick idiots into museums somehow and ahhhtists have to get greedhead buyers and collectors interested in their work. I don't follow that tripe. Good or bad. It's the way it is.

3. Do you try to “figure out” an artist’s intent or message when looking at art, or do you simply decide whether you like or dislike each piece of art? A: i'm no pretentious egghead pseudo- intellectual. i go by my gut feeling. if i like it- i like it- if I don't like it- i don't. Like two thirds of everybody else.

4. In your own art, do you try to transmit any sort of message, or do you concern yourself only with technique and aesthetics? A: of course i have a message. i want people to smile, laugh and enjoy my work. and it'd be nice if i ever got paid for it. but i'm not holding my breath. Technique and aesthetics? Do i sound like an ahhtistic egghead to you? I'm a real artist- the real thing baby.
Never made a dime off my work, don't care who sees it and am not trying to change the world. it's what i do- it's who i am- so bite me.

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signum-io In reply to ??? [2012-07-28 01:06:36 +0000 UTC]

Hmm... this sounds like a postmodernist version of surrealism. I actually find it interesting. Eight years ago, we had a small group that works in this vein. Of course, we ended up doing other stuff eventually. However, I am actually inspired by the fact that this continues to show up.

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