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Suggestivism
Birth of a New Category or Beginning of the End of Categories?
by techgnotic
Just when you thought there couldn’t possibly be another “ism” on the art world horizon, what with the growing accessibility of all
art technique and technology rendering all the “schools of art” equally available and doable and therefore making impossible the dominance
or even existence of any current art “movement” … comes “suggestivism,” the “ism” best summing up what art is in our lives today, defined
more by what it is not, rather than what it is.
"Suggestivist" art is not slave to any one particular type of current art, from pencils to oils to photo-manipulation. It’s not about technology or technique.
It’s largely apolitical and need not promote any particular “message.” Whether defined by Sadakichi Hartmann (circa. 1900; the first to coin
the term) as simply being a reaction to overly cerebral and insufficiently poetic art in all its forms, from canvases to literature, or by Nathan
Spoor, a current artist and advocate, as a “process” by which the artist lets go of constrictive didactic narratives and dogmatic theories and lets
the will of his or her muse take over so that truly poetic art can be created, whether that art “makes sense” or not. The artist allows the soul of
his deepest artistic intuitions “suggest” what to create, without all the over-thinking. The artist can ponder the “meaning” of the vision produced
later, along with everyone else. The one thing that “suggestivist” artworks have in common is that the viewer is encouraged (compelled!) to imagine
his or her own interpretation of the piece. These artworks generally always have recognizable elements, but the real world ends there, as these
elements are usually then twisted into the impossible conjunctures of mad dream logic. Suggestivist art can sometimes suggest the frightening and
haunting, but usually the emphasis is on the playful and wildly unapologetically creative.
“Suggestivism” is as apolitical as our largely apolitical times, though usually informed with ambiguous political memes and imagery. It is an art
for our times that does not ask to be analyzed and understood, but presents itself as a cipher or puzzle with no correct answer that commands attention
none the less. Or it could be just the latest petulant reaction to a public perception of arts experts talking over our heads in their own secret language about what we should and should not like.
Time will tell.
Perhaps the greatest thing about “suggestivist” art is the very fact that it is so... “suggestive.” It’s the ultimate resource for artists (pop & fine),
musicians, writers, dancers or just dedicated daydreamers who feel a bit blocked. Re-charging the creative batteries only requires you spend a little time
creating your own stories to fit the magical creations and constructions of these works, and one’s own inner engines of fantasy and whimsy will soon be
sweetly humming again.
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i think that with surrealism you kind of flip the table, you deform reality, but this is more like a careless stream. Surrealism can be Suggestivism? yes, Suggestivism must be surrealism? i don't think so
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I totally agree with you. couldn't have said it better
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1. it can and maybe should be both.
2.?????
3.I think we can do both figure out if we likea piece and try to figure out an artists intent.
4.not sure.
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1. Should art be political or apolitical? Or do you think there’s room enough for both?
Art doesn't have an obligation to be anything. If it does mean anything it is simply by consensus at that time. Which doesn't mean that I can't appreciate art with a political context.
2. Do you sense there being any current “movement” in the arts world today? Is this a good or bad state of things?
People get inspired by certain media, or comics and cartoons that are popular on TV, comic books etc. Then there are certain trends in fashion or life style like Gothic for instance that inspire artists. Also, 3D art is really popular as is art inspired by video game characters.
Whether this is good or bad relates back to my answer on the first question. You can question the quality of the technique or the execution of an artwork but imho there are no standards of what should or should not be used as an object or source of inspiration.
3. Do you try to “figure out” an artist’s intent or message when looking at art, or do you simply decide whether you like or dislike each piece of art?
Unless the artist clearly expresses what statement he wants to make I don't bother with looking for clues. It would be more useful to do that in a time or place where censorship and taboos are prevalent and you have to be careful to express your opinion. If you live in a free society I don't see why a message should be hidden.
Which doesn't imply that I can't appreciate subtlety over bluntness.
4. In your own art, do you try to transmit any sort of message, or do you concern yourself only with technique and aesthetics?
Some graphics I made contain a message. But I don't oblige myself to do that all the time. Sometimes I can appreciate absurdity just for the sake of absurdity.
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1. I believe that art should be both I mean art is a way of expressing's oneself whether political or apolitical. I do believe there is plenty of room as long as people have the vast majority of imagination then the matter of it not being enough would be void. There is no such thing as enough in of something in art.
2. Well I do not see any movement but I am sure there is. There is always a movement whether underground or above ground. I believe music and dancing is moving on to the scene more lively than ever but that's about it. I believe good because I receive the best inspiration when I see dancing or listening to music.
3. I can't really say to be honest. I look to find deeper meanings but to get lost in the art itself. I do decide later on that I like it, if the emotions appeal to me.
4. In my art, I just want people to see my true colors and how I feel. With today's society a young girl out of high school can have a lot on her mine and that fuels me to draw. i do have a technique but it is similar to those of animators but none the less my own. As long as I can express my emotions and my feelings then all is okay.
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Should art be political or apolitical? Or do you think there’s room enough for both?
art will inevitably be both, so the point is moot
Do you sense there being any current “movement” in the arts world today? Is this a good or bad state of things?
art is spreading with our consciousness, as it always does. technology; this "internet thing"; is being understood. ultimately this will be good. until then, there will be growing pains.
Do you try to “figure out” an artist’s intent or message when looking at art, or do you simply decide whether you like or dislike each piece of art?
there may not always be a message. I look for one whether the artist intended it or not. sometime aesthetics wins, sometimes message wins. art is one, the other, or both to different degrees
In your own art, do you try to transmit any sort of message, or do you concern yourself only with technique and aesthetics?
lol! I can't write without a message.
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I think that the images above show the emotion of what the person is feeling-and the emotion also helps with the setting.
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I don't know, but for me I feel that we get too caught up in what art is supposed to mean. My teachers were always trying to get a deeper meaning out of everything I did and sometimes its nice to just create something that makes you feel good rather than try to communicate a global message. Don't get me wrong, art is a great way to display messages like world hunger or discriminatiob but sometimes the message may just '...look at this.' I don't think I go looking for a political meesage or any sort of message at frist when I look at a drawing or piece of artwork, I look at the way it's done. That's probably becuase I am concerned with how my own work looks techniqually (despite some of my pieces) and asthetically. Looking for a message is usually in second for me.
As artists or creative people we all bring different styles to the table and that creates a sort of constant motion of change. Bigger artistic changes such as when post-modern art hit it high, we got to see a different view on art and what you can do. I don't view it as a bad thing as long as you don't go and shoot other forms of art-making down.
I generally create art becuase I love to do it and only a few of my pieces have messages to them, mostly environmental awareness. There I think that's enough ranting for now...oops
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I typically feel that the idea that Art "should" or "shouldn't" be or do a certain thing is antithetical to the very idea of creative expression. As for artistic movements, this is all human theater, this business of movements and setting oneself apart by classification or nuance of technique. There's nothing wrong with that, but generally, it's all just human ego.
I like the idea of sublime suggestion, but it's rare to see work that is capable of suggesting or sublimating an idea or ideas to any meaningful degree. Typically, we look at art a few hundred years after it's been created and see that the artist's work is typically a reflection of the times they live in and not at all transcendent.
Artists want to be outside of society and offer visual commentary but they tend to be puppets who can merely see their strings.
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Should art be political or apolitical? Or do you think there’s room enough for both?
Art as a whole should not be confined to one or the other, as art is limitless. Certainly there can be specific artworks that are intended (or are better suited) to being political or apolitical, and in those cases they can absolutely be considered that.
Do you sense there being any current “movement” in the arts world today? Is this a good or bad state of things?
To me, I see art as a constant movement, it changes its form daily in some way, if only mildly. As for drastic changes in artistic movements I could see it as a good state as it is inducing creativity in some manner, even if slightly different than before.
Do you try to “figure out” an artist’s intent or message when looking at art, or do you simply decide whether you like or dislike each piece of art?
I always try to figure out the intent whether or not I like the artwork itself. If I can not find any message or intent that stands out to me, then I choose the more basic visual aesthetics about whether or not I enjoy the artwork.
In your own art, do you try to transmit any sort of message, or do you concern yourself only with technique and aesthetics?
It depends on how I am at the moment, if I myself am without a message to convey or lost in thoughts with no theme then my art will portray that as well. I definitely do try to convey messages in certain artworks, however I am more familiar with taking a more 'removed' stance while doing my art. In artworks that I try to show a clear message, I tend to focus on techniques of my own or those that I have been taught by other great artists.
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I think this is really great, it's good to take a break from art with a major political message.
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i think there is room for both honestly i have seen some great political art as well as non political art. in my oppinion i feel art is universal and should not be affected by things like politics or not
yes i think its a good thing anime and dark art is making a movement or at least i have noticed this i myself have been working on shading and dark styles of art as well as anime.
i feel the message an artist wants portray needs not be looked for. if you look for it you'll miss it. its not a search in find the whole peice is the message. one just needs to look and apply what they know to it. plus sometimes a picture is just a picture
i like to do both thoigh most of my art has a message. though i do like to just use technique though i havent posted any of my technequie art just yet.
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1. Art is whatever the artist wants it to be.
2. Frankly, I'm kind of tired of them making "new categories" of art. All it does is make people get into more pissy arguments about what is and is not xyz type of art. It's art. Tell me what medium it is and leave it at that.
3. All that matters to me, is how the image makes me feel and whether or not I like it.
4. My own art is just whatever I feel like doing in the moment. Nothing more, nothing less.
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1- I honestly never thought that art couldn't relate to anything but human emotion, actions, or imaginations. But i am sure that i don't know everything about art. i am just an animation artist/ basic illustrator
2-I really like this question, art movements always start by human feelings. That feeling can affect the way the art looks. That style is secret ways of showing everything the artist want us to see, feel, or wonder. Similar to a writer, there are many ways to explain a story; poems, novels, comics, ect. Some styles are very colorful, some are very gloomy. Some styles show the details and quality, some show only shapes and figures with very little detail. I don't believe there can be another "ism", it’s like adding another letter to the alphabet. It will create allow us to create new things, but at a very little effect/uses.
3-That is honestly the one and only reason i look at art work that contains original content.
4-I do, but i really don't want to say it out loud.
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3. Do you try to “figure out” an artist’s intent or message when looking at art, or do you simply decide whether you like or dislike each piece of art?
I think this question is worded oddly, considering the first half of the question implies that you are looking at one piece of art while the second half of the question mentions that there is more than one piece of art that you are looking at or browsing through. This can lead to a number of different interpretations of situations from a misguiding question:
~bloodystyxx 3.Yes,,i guess we all want know what was in the mind from a other Artist as he made this one brillant work.
~Mirai-Xenia 3. I'll admit I'm more dismissive of abstract art that is simplified to only color with no discernible subject or shape, such as splatter paintings or reductive works. Usually I try to find some sort of meaning from a piece; it doesn't need to be profound or culturally/politically significant.
Why am I nitpicking over this? Because there are several comments where people have generalized or made assumptions about entire categories of art (see the assumption above). On a lesser note, it may or may not influence someone's answer, but I'm not 100% sure of this. A simple rewording of the question should be an easy fix (if it's possible, I don't know how #hq operates).
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1. I believe art is nothing more than an intent coupled with some sort of sensory display (touch, smell, sight, sound, taste). It is like the whole "what is and isn't a story" argument. I would argue that "A leaf fell from the tree." is indeed a story. Many others believe that it isn't because it has so little detail.
It is also like peoples perception of nude art and pornography.
People can believe what they like about what is and isn't art. It's like religion, you can't change their mind, only they can.
2. I believe art has become more and more diverse with time, and because of that, there will always be groups who are making movements and groups who want nothing to do with those movements. I look through galleries everyday and see dozens of different movements and intents.
3. I am always curious about an artists intents, and sometimes I try to find what their art is telling me.
4. In some of my pieces I do try to transmit meaning to my audience. Often though I find that those pieces usually mean more to me than my audience. Sometimes my audience finds meaning in my pieces where I did not intend to put it. My question is then, did my audience member create a piece of their own with their found intent?
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I'll go along with that. You create the piece using your intent and then your audience creates that piece with the intent that they bring with them. How else could it work?
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Indeed. 
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So I'm lost a bit here What is Suggestivist art exactly? And what's the article trying to say? XD
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To describe "Suggestivist" art it is helpful to set aside for the moment the notion that you need to define what it is exactly right now. Just proceed in the direction that you think best and eventually you may settle upon a definition. If you discuss this with another person, they have ideas about the definition of "Suggestivism" that differ from yours. You can have different views and both be "right" because you are different people. Your definition of "Suggestivism" may change over time and you may never settle on an exact definition. "Suggestivism" has a kind of power to exist in an undefined state. Or possibly it is all a load of BS that people like to talk about for reasons known or unknown. People may urge you to believe one thing or another but in the end, it's your choice.
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Suggestivism borrows from all art styles and simply tries to put the message across.
It's both a real category, and a non-existent category at the same time.
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1. I think there's a time and a place for both political and apolitical art. It just needs to be in it's own sort of category, I feel. I just think that political messages in art should be separate from art intended for children, which is how I also feel about film. But there is always a place for politics in art.
2. I'm not sure if I sense any sort of movement in art right now. There's a large sense of entitlement that seems to be sweeping in due to the freedom of the internet. This has been present in areas besides art, too. I think it's a good thing, but also a bad thing. Only time will tell if it was the right thing.
3. It depends a lot on the artwork. I like to take art in casually, because for me, viewing other people's art is about experiencing. I think the artist's intent matters when THEY want it to matter.
4. There's an implication in this question that you have to have a message or you have to focus on aesthetics. When I draw regular characters of mine, there's usually an intended storytelling purpose. When I draw other things, there's a lot of aesthetic. I suppose I do tend to go about it in a Suggestivism manner.
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1) "Man is a political animal." Aristotle.
Any artist pretending they are exempt from politics or is claiming to be apolitical in their art is feeding you with BS. Your line that we live in apolitical times is blinkered to the point of absurdity.
2) There are schools/groups/movements in art happening all over the world. Just because we do not hear of them is not a proof they do not exist. The historians of tomorrow will have that task, when they look back on our times retrospectively and give our various art movements names.
3) Aesthetically there is an immediate emotional response from an image - I like it, dislike it, or I'm indifferent. If the response is striking enough, good or bad, then I like to scan my own responses. To me the artwork has had the desired effect. An artwork also has a personality. Just as a person, they attract or repel. Ultimately I am interested in the artist more than the art.
4) There is always intention. Techniques offer a variety of means for exploring these intentions. The intentions themselves are invariably the same. Perhaps only the impulse differs.
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1. There is definitely room for both... art is expression and it can express emotions, ideas and anything else imaginable (and unimaginable xD).
2. Any current movement... I haven't the slightest idea to be honest O.o... Although I somehow doubt there is any certain movement these days... Thankfully you see all kinds of art. Anyway, maybe it's just me... but maybe surrealism more alive today than before... don't ask why, I just have that impression... =/
3. That will certainly depend on the piece... for instance it is often pointless to seek meaning in fanart. Otherwise yes, I often do seek for meaning in other's work... actually I like seeking such things. Every creation has a shard of its creator within it.
4. I don't know... I suppose both... but sometimes neither. As you said with 'suggestivism' I very often just try to figure out what the heck have I made after I'm done. Also as of late, I just don't care enough about the technique, because it takes me too long and it's not fun anymore... so I end up with chaotic figures.
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Uhm... isn't this just coining a new phrase for "Pop-Surrealism"? Have you guys never looked at HighFructose magazine, or even Juxtapose magazine lately? what makes this "movement" different from that one? how about we just make art and worry about what category we fall into after we're dead and the museums are collecting (or ignoring) us.
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Oh, you're a girl, gomen nasai.
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'sokay, i get that a lot.
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That's exactly what I thought.
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That kind of art, as I describe it is: weird, but really cool.
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To be honest.. I don't think any purpose to art is other than what the artist wants. I have drawn some strange things and many people don't get them, but that is ok! Because I do! That is what matters. Nothing more, nothing less.
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1 both
2 ...hmmm...
3 like or dislike each piece of art
4 both
5 Wonderful collection! 
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How is "suggestivist" art different from the "surrealist" art so many people do nowadays? I mean, "impossible dream logic that comes from the soul of the artist's deepest artistic intuitions" sure sounds like the average Internet-surrealist's creative process.
For that matter, how does the process of "encouraging (or compelling) the viewer to imagine his or her own interpretation of the piece" differ from what any good Postmodernist would tell you about meaning?
This really seems to boil down to "suggestivists are post-modern neo-surrealists" to me.
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Artists should have the freedom to do both political and apolitical art, but I prefer apolitical. Art is stronger when it's not weighed down by meaning.
In the USA, the 80's styles is coming back. Along with that is coming the happily nihilistic views, and even a bit more cynicism than our culture already has.
I simply decide whether I like it or not. Who cares what the artists meant? Who cares what I might want to say with my art? What others see will be from their own eyes, not the artists'.
I try to suggest meaning (just look at my signature). I never put meaning into my art, others will do that for themselves. So I focus more on style and quality.
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1.Art can be both political and unpolitial its just deepends witch Art it is, what the Artist want say with them.and at least what other people see in he works.
2.Art cultivate every day,,in every moment of your life and experience..its not a bad thing i guess.
3.Yes,,i guess we all want know what was in the mind from a other Artist as he made this one brillant work.
4.Well,,in every work from me are messages,story but everybody is open to see it.
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Well unless it's a very popular political opinion, it's best not to bother.
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1.Should art be political or apolitical? Or do you think there’s room enough for both?
I don't really think we should be all that concerned with that. Art should be whatever the artist wants. If they want it to be political that's great, if not then that's fine too.
2.Do you sense there being any current “movement” in the arts world today? Is this a good or bad state of things?
Not too sure,
3.Do you try to “figure out” an artist’s intent or message when looking at art, or do you simply decide whether you like or dislike each piece of art?
Generally speaking, I just decide whether I like a piece or not. Does it evoke an emotional response in me or not. Beyond that, even if I tried to figure out what the artist was trying to do with the piece I don't know that I'd get it right. After all art is very subjective, my life experiences and knowledge will lead me to view something in a different way than someone with different experiences and knowledge.
4.In your own art, do you try to transmit any sort of message, or do you concern yourself only with technique and aesthetics?
It really all depends on what I'm doing and how I feel at the time. Sometimes I'm just trying to re-create a style or technique, other times I want to express a specific idea in a creative way. But most of the time I just do something that interests me or something really random.
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i think suggestivism is a glorified term for weird
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1. I think it's not a question so much of "should be political or not" because i sense it already is. I personally don't mind it being so.
3. Well, it depends on the nature of the work. Many times the artist's intentions are clearly aesthetic, in which case as the observer you're compelled to appreciate it for its aesthetic value. But anyhow, I think that searching for meaning is almost instinctual and purely intuitive, so as a part of the interpretation process it comes about mechanically... it's just the way we're wired. Only after that initial impact with the artwork are we able to decide if it appeals to us or not.
4. At the moment I'm only focussing on mastering techniques because I think that will give the means to create original artworks in the future that are more an expression of the self than they are the mere beautification of an individual or a concept.
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this is somewhat scatter brained for me, due to how my logical side genuinely loves to overthink everything, which is not as directly doable with this format,
however as a madman and avid follower of the teachings of i am really liking how these look, as they are very appealing to the whimsical black blood within my brain.
my multiple personalities are quite conflicted by this, but all in all that is just me, and thus this is still excellent art nonetheless.
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Is it odd that I don't find any of these images all that disturbing? Only the "Simian Operation" is really gory and the employment of it doesn't seem to be fancifully done. Then again, some people find my work disturbing, which is something I could never really understand.
1. I don't think art should be constrained by any guidelines. However, I do believe that when politics come into play, more often than not one's political bias/affiliation overshadows the artwork itself.
2. Based on what I encountered in art school a year ago, it seems as though people have an overwhelming need to modernize their work. If it holds any traditional aspects or relies more on realism, then the artwork is ignored as pedantic and I quote, "aesthetically pleasing, but not true art". (sentiment of guest speakers and professors)
3. I'll admit I'm more dismissive of abstract art that is simplified to only color with no discernible subject or shape, such as splatter paintings or reductive works. Usually I try to find some sort of meaning from a piece; it doesn't need to be profound or culturally/politically significant.
4. There is always a theme, story or specific meaning behind every one of my personal pieces. The only exceptions are commissions. While I may not derive personal meaning or significance from them, someone else may.
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Do we really need to label art itself? To me, this just seems like all art. You can try to interpret any work of art, I don't think it has to be classified as "suggestivism". When I draw, I usually "ponder the “meaning” of the vision produced later, along with everyone else." Does that make me a suggestivist?
I do appreciate the chance to see more featured works, but I think this "new category" is just unnecessary.
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"The opinion that art should have nothing to do with politics is itself a political attitude."
George Orwell
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