Dinurockstar [2013-02-24 12:41:41 +0000 UTC]

rocking

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Hibey [2013-02-24 10:19:52 +0000 UTC]

Interesting

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Stabeor [2013-02-24 09:50:41 +0000 UTC]

Interesting. My main means of expression is collage, and particularly digital collage, and even though i know my artworks have some artistic value and appeal to many people, i still feel it to be inferior in some way to drawing or painting.

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Skill-Point [2013-02-24 05:52:30 +0000 UTC]

is there money involve? or some sort of great prize?

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Tordo [2013-02-24 04:21:46 +0000 UTC]

Is collage even relevant as a technique in the face of digital tools that instantly paste content into almost every image we see?
Yes, as relevant as drawing in the face of digital tools that can simulate drawing techniques, to a point, collage is more than putting images together, it's about texture, composition and so on.

What is your first reaction to the “is ‘found’ art really art?” question?
Like Marshall McLuhan said, Art is anything you can get away with. Of course that to truly pull it off you must have the basics.

Does the experience of the “meaning,” or at least your perception of a painting, being changed to a new perspective by added materials engage your mind in a positive way, or make you feel like what’s the point? Does too much relativity kill your soul?
I think that whatever enhances a work of art is welcome, mixed media can give great results and add something good, again, for me is more about how much you're able to truly pull it off.

How would you feel if some of the plates fell off your very expensive Julian Schnabel “painting?” Would you first wonder if re-gluing them made the work somehow altered or bogus? Would you wonder first about insurance or resale value?
Whether it's glued back or not the painting had beed altered, that's always sad, like when a drawing gets wet, or a sculpture gets broken, it makes you sad and anger that it happens. As for the resale value, it is a concern, but it comes second to me.

Do you have personal collages of friends and family? Did the placement of individuals’ pictures within the collage have any particular significance?
I don't, I do collage as an art form but I don't use personal pictures, it makes me feel I'm doing a scrapbook rather than a collage.

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opiumtraum [2013-02-24 04:15:29 +0000 UTC]

1.
Is collage even relevant as a technique in the face of digital tools that instantly paste content into almost every image we see?
Isn't that like asking if drawing or painting is relevant? As a sometime collagist the answer is yes. Personally, despite the fact some digital artwork is absolutely amazing, I prefer an old school, hand's on, knife & glue approach. I find the even the idea of digital too remote. I like to take pre-existing art & re-arrange it, juxtapose artists in a single environment, possibly create that environment myself. How else would Rackham's Alice politely pose a question to Khnopff's Sleeping Medussa? Sure, the same could be accomplished digitally, but I prefer to handle my medium, to have the risk. What's the chance of an awkward moment with a computer resulting in bloodshed & the need of a band-aid??


2.
What is your first reaction to the “is ‘found’ art really art?” question?
As soon as any artistic consideration is given to the object, it pretty much becomes art.


3.
Does the experience of the “meaning,” or at least your perception of a painting, being changed to a new perspective by added materials engage your mind in a positive way, or make you feel like what’s the point? Does too much relativity kill your soul?
I think it depends. If the work really changes your perception, something's working. If what's done with the images truly repurposes the work & turns it into something new, the artist has succeeded. What doesn't work is when things added to work comes across as a contrivance or gimmick.


4.
How would you feel if some of the plates fell off your very expensive Julian Schnabel “painting?” Would you first wonder if re-gluing them made the work somehow altered or bogus? Would you wonder first about insurance or resale value?
Have I mentioned gimmicks & contrivance?


5.
Do you have personal collages of friends and family? Did the placement of individuals’ pictures within the collage have any particular significance?
No. The "traditional art/collage" category is littered with the next step lower on the food chain- fan worship collage/posters, the kind of crap that used to, maybe still do, litter the pages of "Teen" & "Seventeen" magazine. Not art, and since it's all done digitally, not a "traditional" collage at all. My sister commissioned a photo collage painting of myself, my Dad & herself...I don't have the heart to tell her how funny it is- big picture of her, tiny little images of me & my dad.

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rachel2190 [2013-02-24 03:45:38 +0000 UTC]

I think if we start questioning whether something as simple and versatile as collage is art than we start questioning whether anything is art. Is drawing a person from a photograph a new portrait or just a copy of a photo? Is painting a landscape art or just a copy of mother nature's creation? I think art requires us to be accepting of everything, accept that "art" is an extremely broad term and accept that we like what we like: that what one person sees as nothing the next will see as a masterpiece.

Also, check out Kelly Allen's "painted collages." They really gave me a new perspective on collage.

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PookiePony [2013-02-24 02:33:27 +0000 UTC]

Well there are two categories that I split collage into. 1. Eric Carle type collage (The Very Hungry Caterpillar) which is colored pieces of paper (colored by any means) being put together in images/drawings that you create and "found" pieces or created pieces that add to the art itself, like added clothing to pieces to an image. 2. And then there's the collage where you cut and paste from magazines and call it your own. These are not your images, and to me, even though you have the imagination and creativity to put them together, it doesn't make it your art.

I've seen the latter used in galleries where the most impressive part of a painting wasn't even their own..

Yes, I think it's an art form in any sense, but I never think that people should claim something to be their own when it's not. That's crap.

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ImSoTheBlackSheep [2013-02-24 02:09:26 +0000 UTC]

Has anyone thought that maybe they just wanted to scearw with us? Or that maybe it has no meaning besides the fact they like it

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locol-crazy [2013-02-24 00:38:31 +0000 UTC]

1 answer. I believe that collage has been and always will be a point of media expression and not an actual art form.

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toastmastergeneral [2013-02-24 00:17:03 +0000 UTC]

can you spell conundrum?

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marthig [2013-02-23 22:46:57 +0000 UTC]

I like this subject, though not the Collage style so here are my thoughts about it:

1- Relevant: Yes still is and dare say will always be, as sculpture and traditional paintings are.

2- Found art: Yes, IT'S art, as any painting stemming from splashing colours on a canvas. It's the artist imagination -or "finder"- that turns a piece of driftwood or metal into art, in a collage.

3- I always view an image as a whole, even just a button is part of a painting, I would take it as that's what the artist felt had to be there.
I don't particularly go for collages even if they are by Picasso or any of the other "monsters", but I do respect and understand the need of an artist to emphasize his art in any way he/she feels like.

4- I would wonder if re-gluing the fallen pieces would render the work bogus. On the other hand, doubt if I would own anything that valuable, so insurance would not be relevant for me

5- I don't own -or made- collages of friends or family. Had I done any, placement of a picture would most likely have a meaning.

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catluvr2 [2013-02-23 22:44:20 +0000 UTC]

I think that found art is art, if it's modified enough so that it's recognizable as something new.

In other words, don't go hanging a urinal on a wall in a museum and call it art. If you have to hang that urinal on the wall, why not take a sledgehammer to it and glue it back together in a different way?

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ma7hew [2013-02-23 21:03:29 +0000 UTC]

I have been working with collage for more then two decades, and I can say I implement all of the same principals and elements of art as any traditional medium. It is not always just cut & paste. A side note, They say collage was used during the first world war by soldiers that did not know how to spell, and wanted to send messages home.

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FadingNinja [2013-02-23 20:19:11 +0000 UTC]

1) It's quite relevant. If you think about it, photo manipulations are like a digital artist's collage.
2) I don't think I've ever seen a collage as anything besides art. I've always accepted it as so. My grandmother is very interested in the art business (sculpting, painting, that sort of thing) and always wants to start some sort of collage. She has several art pieces around her house, including this type, so I find nothing wrong with it.
3) I think it helps to see the artist's point. We all have several thoughts and ideas bouncing around our brain, and you could say collage is a visual of that, and we somehow understand what the work is saying through that jumbled mess.
4) Well, this tells me not to buy a collage in case parts of it really do fall off!
5) I don't really have any, but if I were to build one, it wouldn't make much significance where a picture was placed, if only to see where it could fit without being covered up by other photos.

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Avantphilia [2013-02-23 20:00:35 +0000 UTC]

1. Yes it is, art is not something that you can define . Art always evolve in something.
2. I will just say : " Art for Art sake. "
3. Yes they change my mind in positive way.
4. I don't know.
5. No, I don't have anyone who is doing this technique. Every kind of artwork has a meaning.

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SBEP [2013-02-23 19:40:50 +0000 UTC]

1. pasting content is easy, rearrange them to make a art piece is entirely something different, i have made collage`s and if u want and have the time check my gallery and tell me if u can spot if they are collage`s
so yes collage is art to.
2. Found or not its still ART.
3. If it looks good, its worth the time.
4. Well that depends, if u buy art for the sake of art or just to make money buy keeping it in perfect condition allowing time to pass so the price would rise. If u are doing it for the sake of art its worth it.
5. Yes i do have couple of those, did they have particular significance? well if putting a big smile on their face means particular significance, then yes they did just that...

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RoxanneD [2013-02-23 19:37:11 +0000 UTC]

I'm reminded one of the most revered collage artists in Romania and worldwide, Ion Barladeanu. It would be an understatement to say he started from scratch, he was flat broke and basically homeless when he was discovered. To me, his pathway and his story serve as great inspiration.

Check out his work
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KanchanMahon [2013-02-23 18:48:42 +0000 UTC]

A collage artist I am thrilled to see this topic addressed here. I also have a group for collage artists. One day my work was criticized, but in actuality the whole art form of collage was challenged. I decided not to answer on my own but to put the comment to the group #AlteredMixedCollages

If anyone is interested, the group fiercely debated whether collage as a valid art medium, the idea of using other elements of other people’s photos and art; and other compelling points were made. What impressed me was that despite that the debate was a vigorous one, with much playing of the devil’s advocate, it remained extremely polite. Many interesting points were made and many topics were addressed. The basic question however remained the QUESTIONING THE INTEGRITY OF COLLAGE
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Globbo [2013-02-23 18:46:18 +0000 UTC]

To return to the questions asked. Art is in the eye of the beholder, here is my subjective opinion:

1) Collage is definitely a valuable technique. Ultimately this question is up to the artist, and many artists think so.

2) Found art means different things. Most responses talk about taking found objects and using them as raw materials. I agree with them that the raw material doesn't matter, it is what you do with them that decides if something is art.

Some people, however, think that taking some random object and doing nothing with it except placing it on a pedestal in an art gallery will turn it into art. I don't agree. The first time someone did this it was art of sorts, but mostly performance art. In other words, I would have loved being there when it happened, but the object itself is still worthless to me.

All the people who copied this stunt later, didn't create art, in my opinion.

3) Difficult question. Some level of "meaningful materials" can add to an artwork, but it is very easy to overdo.

4) I wouldn't own a very expensive artwork in the first place, but if I did, I would expect the artist to repair such a defect.

5) My parents have made a collage of sorts of the family. It is arranged a a traditional family tree with his ancestors on one side, hers on the other, children below. In this case, the pictures themselves are what is important, not the placement.

People have been talking about copyright. You might want to look up sampling in music for a long series of trials on a similar subject. In short, fair use is the limit.

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C-blaze21 [2013-02-23 18:30:55 +0000 UTC]

Collage sure creates quite the emotional backdrop.

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somebodyoranybody [2013-02-23 17:28:23 +0000 UTC]

I like collages especially the ones that are here. It is an art form if you ask me, they do express a message/feeling in a very special and unique way. That goes also for decollages. The only thing I don´t like is when they are planned too much. I think a lot of their "magic" comes from the spontaneity. This goes also for decollages with already known background (like the ones you make in school). I love their surprise effect, and their weirdness, not whats exactly on the picture.

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CRMdrummergirl [2013-02-23 17:26:57 +0000 UTC]

I feel like this whole collage debate ties in to another major form of art: music. Personally, I believe that remixes and samplings are indeed forms of art, but many original "owners" of the original songs the samples are taken from (record companies specifically) would disagree with me and say that it is just sheer plagiarism. Thoughts?

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LauraTringaliHolmes [2013-02-23 17:24:46 +0000 UTC]

What a great dialog. Love reading all the comments. I look at collage as a place to express my inner voyeur, the one who likes to comment on popular culture. Which I guess is fitting, since, as you say, collage has always been a product of its envirnoment and our world now is one great big media cycle. Thanks for your thoughtful article, and thanks also for including my work as illustration for your ideas. It is greatly appreciated.

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desdemona16 [2013-02-23 17:07:17 +0000 UTC]

i have always liked collages, even though i have no idea how to do them. the idea that they were once not considered a form of art does not seem right especially because colleges can have very deep meanings.

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Radicalsingularity [2013-02-23 17:01:06 +0000 UTC]

does gluing stuff on the monitor to alter the viewable area AND to change what is seen at the person looks at the monitor constitute a monitor collage. And then if you change what is displayed. The areas that are uncovered become plastic/fluid/malleable while the areas that are covered become static. Moreover, we must look at the separation of the dynamic images in relation to the other fluid images. There is a seeping of time as grounded by the static. Time becomes a collage also. Fast and slow time merging and emerging on the screen that has forgotten its wholeness.

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Radicalsingularity [2013-02-23 16:56:13 +0000 UTC]

Answers to questions:
1. "Is Collage relevant?" A: Yes
2. "What is first reaction to the question 'is found art really art?'"
Answer: I react in a positive way because the question is formed as a prompt to make us think and to stimulate dialogue.
3. "Does collage/ my views of what constitutes art ..." A: I have always considered collage as an art form. Heck everything is art after all.
3a "Does too much relativity kill your soul?" This is an interesting question. As a post/modern deconstructionist who holds Derida, Focualt, Heiddeger, Jean Francis Leotard, Victor Vitanza, and others as positive then.... there is no I or self in the first place. The I is the sum of junctures at a moment, but then time does not exist either.
4. "How would you feel if the X plates fell off my painting?"
Answer: I would tend to believe that this was intentional. The artist knew that the plate would fall off either some day or in X number of days.

The painting was still in the "being created" phase. The artist had not finished. It is just that he is not around while his work is "drying".

I would also think the broken plate as an offering by the artist. A gift of art. and she was telling me that I should use these broken pieces that she offers to me (or the whole plate if it did not break) to make my own collage.

5. "Do you have any collages?" Answer: no. I have no space. I am transitional across a wide spectrum. Thus, I have no place to hang art. Although now that you ask this question. I am beginning to think of a collage on a 3X5 note card. humm....


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Now to ask my question. Can words in a book (i.e. not on a canvas) be crafted in such a way that they become collage?

Answer: Yes. Play with words and open them up. Here is one example. Not original. but useful none the less it is...

(Hy)per/Text

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JasonShine [2013-02-23 16:48:40 +0000 UTC]

1. Life is a collage. Collage is very relevant in any form of creation combining more than one thing.
2. Life is art and some of the best art is 'found' but it's better when profound.
3. Nothing kills my soul, advertising techniques can be rather annoying
seeing something in a different perspective may inspire or at least expand my thoughts.
4. Really depends on the plates and how they broke... possible ingenious solution,
most likely an expensive lesson learned and chance for something better.
5. Placement of everything has significant meaning some more than others, family is very important.

Really love some of the collages pictured here.
I have a 3 piece collage i did in college I'm pretty proud of
just had a horrible time with photographing without reflections
anybody have any good suggestions?
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sorry I hope it's okay I post that link... thank you!

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DemonStash [2013-02-23 16:36:58 +0000 UTC]

Collage, like photography, is only effectively done by people who know what they are doing. Sure anyone can make a collage or take a picture, but only a handful of people can do it well.

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The-Ironwing-Kaiser [2013-02-23 16:08:24 +0000 UTC]

I'm doing that in my first period class very soon. (Design and Mixed Media, soon will be Digital Media)

For now, I'm not that skilled yet. But I can try. If I have the time to.....that is....

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