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My interpretation of the current state of the Trekverse, with all the reboots and re-interpretations...Related content
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The version the Federation made failed, Voyager kept trying to adapt Borg Transwarp drive.
Apparently you don't know your history, so I will ignore that lame answer.Well screw you too then. If you aren't even going to try, then I refuse to cary this conversation on any further.
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Once again, go over the episodes. Three times Voyager ressurected a form of Federation Trans warp Technology.
To comment on something you know as fact you must have some proof. In such case the episodes you mentioned had nothing pertaining to the subject at hand, as oppose to me knowing for a fact The Enterprise Incident, and Day of the Dove have established this as of Canon. It's called research, but seeing how my knowledge and yours are two different things I concur, this matter is closed.
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Still need to see more Discovery to be a true judge, but beyond visuals I'm taking it on faith that it can fit in pretty well with Berman/Braga Trek. In 100% honesty TOS sticks out visually when held against all other things in canon, and while I don't think a complete visual reboot is necessary for it, some updates to familiar designs would help.
Discovery is still visually ugly as sin though, I will say that 100%. I legit enjoyed the first two episodes, but goddamn, I barely liked any of the visual design. Everything else had me reeled in though.
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Considering that site to site Transporter were impossible. Klingonds did not have cloaking technology. And that spore drive makes Trans Warp look like walking compared to driving. I see NO fitting in what so ever.
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Again, haven't seen anything past the second episode. Also cloaks have long been inconsistent.
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I must admit, the worse subject ever touched in Enterprise other than Time Travel, is the Cloaking Device.
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except in many ways TMP is a soft reboot of TOS. In a way it starts it's own. Really you could mix and match Continuities all day with plot holes and timelines.
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How exactly is TMP in any way a reboot? simply because of the refitted Enterprise? The only part of TMP that doesn't fit is the redesign for no reason of the Klingons. And it's been established that the Enterprise refit was the first of the new ship styling that's become the now familiar design asthetic from that point on. Watch the director's cut of TMP. You see a TOS shuttlecraft. No, other than the klingons, TMP is very much faithful to TOS as a continuation.
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And his argument makes no sense, mainly because his definition of a reboot by his own terms is faulty. Again, other than the Klingons, there is NOTHING in TMP that can be considered to make it a reboot, even by his terms. The film is not attempting to cater to a new audience, like JJTrek or ESPECIALLY STD. It's CLEARLY a love letter to TOS fans, and considering the script is based off a script for Phase II(which would have had the TOS uniform and design style), it's not really even changed. Just because the Enterprise was refitted(which WOULD have been done in Phase II) and because the uniforms are new(for the Enterprise crew and any ships in range), doesn't mean it's even a soft reboot. And frankly even his definition of a soft reboot is flawed, as what he's describing isn't really a soft reboot. Look at NuWho. THAT is a soft reboot, at least to most people. TMP isn't.
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If TMP was a reboot, then I guess TWOK was a reboot, as well the other 4. Your logic is flawed.
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The sad fact is, as I stated way before the first Star Trek film.....IT IS A TELEVISION SERIES! Thus TMP was using in fact the vestiges of the Television series Star Trek Phase II. Some elements such as the Warp core design were already established. I must admit the change to the Klingons was drastic in every way. The uniforms, the tone as well you can't place totally on Roddennberry as it was the production staff that coordinated the revamping of uniforms. The sterile color and look is also apart of the time constraints place against them as Paramount wanted their Star Wars as it were, thne throw in a famous line "Engineers LOVE changing things", thus Jeffries Phase II Enterprise became the current refit Enterprise as it was quote "The Motion Picture Upgrading of an already established design". So was it a reboot? No, I can't say it was when in effect Star Trek was not shutoff and restarted, it was made into a Motion Picture, which in all honesty changes everything. For example Star Trek Generations saw several new set built for the Enterprise, including a way upgraded Bridge, New Uniforms, complete with Com Badges, and different cinematic shading to appear a tad less colorful than the Television series. Point taken that name anything that the Industry has touched that they don't change. In MY Opinion, TMP did very little to add to it's fan base, seeing that it's fanbase has been growing ever since Star Trek went into Syndication. I can't call it a reboot, especially seeing in the end, all these films did was kill the franchise in its true fans eyes.
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I'll stick to the middle ones.
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The events of DSC might not contradict the B/B canon, but many visual aspescts do: uniforms, ship design, interior design, Klingons.
Don't get me wrong, I like DSC, the characters and story are great, the visuals mindblowing, but the list of things they botched considering Trek canon gets longer and longer. I know it has something to do with the production license, but still...
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in fairness, its hardly the first time Klingons have been reimagined. Worf, Martok, Gowron etc bear no resemblance to Kor, Kang and Koloth. Weve even seen one bald Klingon before (General Chang). As for the Klingon uniforms, with the amount of canon uniform changes the Federation has made, we can't complain too much if the Empire has a bad fashion period in their history as well.
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As far as Klingons go, we can assume that the look from the TOS movies and TNG/DS9/VOY is how Roddenberry envisioned them. However, TOS being a low-budget production, they could not realize said vision in the 60's. However, they at least tried to give an in-universe explanation for the look of the TOS-Klingons. I personally think this explanation works...
As far as inconsitencies in Star Trek go, it has always come down to one thing: Budget. However, DSC is an incredibly high-budget production. They could have done far better on the Klingons and not have their faces like full masks with almost no facial expressions. I agree on the bad fashio period.
Still, you can't explain the overly advanced tech and the cool yet un-canon uniforms away with too much budget. They should have done all this like it could be seen in the ENT Mirror Universe episodes (tech) and in the FANFILM "Prelude to Axanar" (uniforms). I'm pretty sure everyone would have been satisfied.
On the bright side, DSC has exceptionally great characters and a very interesting and catching story. Also, I dig some of their new ideas like for example the combined rank sign and badge. Now, if that would be a communicator as well...
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the explanation works? In whose medical science does a virus that melts a skull (and canon shows the ridges are part of the skull, not cartilage) without doing any harm to the brain inside and while simultaneously leaving the "victim" with a nice neat hairstyle... oh and which is a two way thing that can be caught by Archer and make him Klingon... is neither possible nor even believable. They should have left it with Worf's answer "We do not discuss it with outsiders" or just said there are more than one race in the Empire.. which would have been very plausible bearing in mind its an empire of several planets. I will be honest, I am not overkeen on the look of the Klingons. But revamping their look is not, as I said, a new thing and not a deal breaker.
The tech is an awkward one (and you are not wrong about it) and is very much a result of going back to an earlier time period when our own tech ability has moved on so far beyond what we had in the 60s that to portray the ship as we did then would make it look far too retro and dated. Some of the holographic displays actually remind me of the Taelons from Earth Final Conflict.
Not sure why you consider the uniforms uncanon. Sure, its a new design. Every new series has had a new design so cant really see a problem there. Its plausible enough to me that between Enterprise and TOS, there would be one more change of uniform. It just bugs me that they used a fabric that means its going to be almost impossible for fans to replicate unless you spend hundreds of pounds with Anovos. Would have been nice to see more of a nod towards TOS - although the idea of women in the 23rd century wearing a uniform that doesnt even cover their backsides, is a bit cringeworthy now that we are out of the 60's, even if its a fun one to wear to conventions.
I dont think the rank insignia can be a communicator in this time period, because in TOS era they were still using hand held devices. I guess when they filmed it, they had no idea that just a few years later we would be inspired by the show to create things like bluetooth.
What do you think of Lorca? I really dont like him! By which I mean, as a character I love him, hes brilliant and its going to be interesting to see where his story line goes.
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Well, it works visually and if you give it as much thought as a tv show deserves... 
The uniforms are "uncanon" because the uniforms from The Cage (set in 2254) and Where No Man Has Gone Before (set in 2264) are the same. A uniform in 2255 should go along that lines and not be entirely different.
They redid the Connie bridge in ENT (MU episodes) and it looked just great. They could have developed from there...
Would DSC be a past-VOY series, the great badge would surely be a communicator. For the era at hand, you're correct, hand-helds are the deal of the time.
About Lorca, I don't really know what to make of him, although he's a quite interesting character, a real zealot. However, he's part of what I don't like about Trek since DS9. Star Trek slowly turned from an exploration show to a war show. DSC reminds me more of a trekish Battlestar Galactica or a Mass Effects tv show than being true Star Trek with an uplifting positive view of the future. To some extend that's very sad, since our world could really use some uplifting...
However, I really like Cadet Tilly, because she's just soooo average and typical and nice.
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Shouldn't Enterprise be kinda canon to Discovery, too?
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OMG, yes. I will correct it!
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Depends on whether you consider the timeline of the imaginary Star Trek Universe, or the timeline of the real Hollywood Universe.
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