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A WRITER'S MELTDOWN: A HOPELESS OUTLOOK ON FANDOMTHIRD EDITIONWritten by Diane N. Tran
Today, I had skimmed through the typical "fanfiction" at a forum: It was one I had no taste for, one where there was no plot, no character development, no thought, no creativity, one of those average, mediocre writings where 98% of fan-writers attempt to write porn for porn's own sake by using "fuck me and fuck me hard," which just left me with a nasty taste in my mouth. Usually, these things wouldn't bother me as a rule, but what puzzled me was the numerous responses of nosebleeds and drools in the comment section — and I began to question the concept of "fandoms":
Is really the audience I have to brown-nose to in order to get views from, to get comments from, to get critiques from? Is this what people really honestly want from fiction? Why do people say they don't want Mary Sues, but create them anyway? Why do people like characters then remove every aspect of their personalities, personalities that made you love them in the first place, personalities that made them unique, in order to self-insert them into their own selfish fantasies? If you love these characters and their stories, it makes sense that you would want to stay faithful and respectful of them, so why alter them into something they are not? Why do people have the need to change anything at all? What's wrong with sticking to the source material, expanding upon it, and why is that concept so difficult to grasp? Why don't people care about proper grammar and correct spelling? Why don't people research? Why don't people write as if they don't read? What's the appeal of porn? Whatever happened to writing with a brain? Why does it sound like a monkey dancing on a typewriter could do better? How can something so mediocre, so average, so boring, so predictable, so badly written, so thoughtless, get so much attention? Why is it when you do something different, it's never appreciated at all? And why is it, when you do your best, your best is never enough?
So, why do I even try at all?
I have always been the epitome of an "outcast among outcasts" when it comes to fandom: When I started, there was no internet. The term "fanfiction" didn't exist yet. It was, instead, known by the scholastic term of "pastiche." The word "pastiche" is defined as "a creative work, whether literary, pictorial, musical, or architectural, that closely imitates the work or style of another artist." I was part of scions of the Sherlock Holmes literary and scholastic circles, so my perspective of "fandom" (which, too, was a word that didn't exist at the time) was completely different. There were no prepubescent and/or teenage crowds of "fangirls" or "fanboys" that we know of today blocking the way. My competitors were university professors, research historians, literary scholars, published essayists, professional writers, avid collectors, learned hobbyists, even members from the Sir Arthur Conan Doyle estate itself — and I had laudable hopes to be a would-be "gentlewoman and scholar" and still do: I have had a few articles, essays, and a pastiche or two published in a few Sherlockian magazines. Of course, this was back when people regularly read books, then came the internet and everything changed in such a brief amount of time that I'm still playing catch up to this day.
Nowadays, the term of "fandom" both frustrates and disgusts me. I have never been the "conformist" because I could never tolerate being part of the "public standard." I always find myself wanting to do something the average fan-writer would never ever do. I'm not interested in the most popular fandom, nor am I interested in the most popular pairing. All I truly desire is to tell a good story with good characters, but I have learnt, in observation, that the general audience, the average reader, doesn't care for that: If you give people something different, all they want is something commonplace. People ask for treasure when, in reality, they want trash. The world doesn't like anything unique or unusual because the world prefers conformity, and that is why they push the unconventional and the unorthodox aside and keep them out of sight. That, of course, hurts someone like me. In my heart and soul, I know that I shouldn't care what the masses think and want, that I should write as I feel I should, but it doesn't hurt any less. You try and try that uphill climb and you find that you didn't make a wink of difference, that no one really cares, in the end.
I feel that an artist, whether a painter, animator, actor, photographer, or writer, has the responsibility to reflect the culture that you're in and to give back to that culture in some way, that they should have purpose in what they do. There's always reason to express oneself, to say something, and mean it. There's always a story to tell. People may say there are no more new ideas, that everything under the sun and moon that can be said has been said, but I don't think that's exactly true. If there's such things as new characters, then there can always be new stories, and there can always be new ways to write them, incorporate them, and express them. One can even take an old idea, something that hasn't been done in awhile, and make it appear new. There are people out there who talk and say nothing, then there are people talk and say something. There's always a message, a moral, or a reason, and a purpose to say and express something, whether people are receptive of it or not.
But what do you do when your best simply isn't enough? Some people slide through, do half the work, and get all the credit. Other people, those whom give it their all, get no credit at all. I strive, push, challenge myself to write do best I can with the time I have. I labour intensively over every paragraph, every sentence, every word, with a jaunting eye. I research extensively, knowing that a meager 10% of it appears onto the page, but I do it all the same. I enjoy bringing meaning, metaphor, pathos, subtlety, sophistication, subtext, intelligence, characterization, conflict, maturity, uniqueness, and a sense of realism into everything I do. As someone who writes the language that brought us Milton and Shakespeare, Orwell and Hemingway, Browning and Yeats, I feel obligated to bring literature into my work and that it's necessary make use of proper grammar and correct spelling because of my love for literature. I love the power of vocabulary. I love the music of monologues. I love the beauty of soliloquies. I love the command of speeches. I love the emotion of oaths. I love the wisdom of words.
But that doesn't mean I can't make bad decisions when it comes to those words. I'm liable to them, like every other living being is, and fully capable of failure and pay for the subsequent price that comes with them by using words incorrectly. Because writing requires talent. It is a vernacular mastery, an indicative discipline, of definition, spelling, grammar, structure, style, space, sound, rhythm, rhetoric, balance, form, function, composition, conversation, design, knowledge, imagination, and artistry. A writer is no mere wordsmith: We are craftsmen. We are artists no different than Botticelli with a brush, Michelangelo with a chisel, or Beethoven with a piano.
To this day, I still refer my fan-written stories as "pastiche." To me, there's a divide between what is "pastiche" and what is "fanfiction": "Pastiches" is a subtype of "fanfiction" that clearly imitates the style, the ideas, and the characters of the original work. It is where one is faithful and respectful to its "canon" (or the original source material), expanding upon it rather than altering it into something it is not. It's like asking me to change something that's already perfect: I don't have the heart to remove a sentence from Hamlet's monologue. I don't have the heart to remove a measure from Mozart's Requiem. I don't have the heart to remove the smile from the Mona Lisa's face. I don't have the heart to remove a gargoyle from the Notre-Dame de Paris. I don't have the heart to remove a single frame from Casablanca, or a single hair from Chaplin's false moustache. Because for me, it's perfect as it is. I love it just as it is. It is art at its finest! I may not be able to equal that perfection, not even close, but I can try my damnest:
Behold, this is my pastiche: This is a my tribute to art for art's sake, and that pastiche can be done well, will be done well to the best of my abilities, and allow me to demonstrate to you that well-thought, well-meaning, well-written, well-done "pastiches" can, indeed, exist and do exist, if one can just look in the right places. And, contrary to what people may say, staying "canonical" neither hinders or hampers the creative process. In fact, it takes more creative effort and more cerebral thought to be able to bend the rules rather than break them, to be able to think outside the box rather than break the box. I admit it is difficult but the rewards, I feel, are greater. But I don't write this way simply because I can. I write this way simply because I must. I write this way simply because I'm compelled to.
And yet I am a pragmatist, through and through: I never claim to be a good writer, but I'd like to consider myself to be a capable one. I know I never will be the best of the best, but I know can be the best I can be and I know I will constantly push myself to be better than I am. Perhaps it's vanity. Perhaps it's the aesthete inside me. I'm uncertain what it is. But I'm not after fame or fortune. I don't want special treatment, nor am I asking for it. As nice as it would be, I don't write for profit. I simply would like to know if there's an audience for my type of work. I'd like to know if people like it. I'd like to know if my best was (and is) good enough. However, you write and write and write and write, but you are never read, so what's the point of writing at all? You never get any comments, you never get any favourites, you never get any reviews, and when you do, they're never helpful, so why publish them at all? You ask for critiques and never get them, so why ask at all? Because quitting isn't an option.
To achieve any sort of acknowledgment or recognition, you have to pander to the public, you have to beg and hustle, you have to yield to conformity, follow the fashions, and submit to natural order of the planet. You have to demoralize yourself. You have to lower your standards. You have to grit your teeth and smile, bare down and tolerate the humiliation, in order to get what you want. Because people don't want class or sophistication. They don't want intricate plotlines of structural climaxes and sociopolitical intrigue, nor do they want complex characters with emotional pathos and moral conflict, nor stories that take risks, challenge philosophies, and ask the questions that have no easy answers. That takes effort. It takes energy and thought. They want a button of instant gratification.
And, sadly, I can do none of this...
There's a drive inside me that forces me to create, visually and literarily, that cannot be stopped and cannot be hindered. Because I have a voice, damnit, and I'd like to know if it was heard, I'd like to know if I made a difference, and I'd like to know if people agree with it or disagree with it. I will not feel guilt in what I say because what I say I say with conviction: I will not safeguard my words, nor will censor them (even when people have tried and, oh, have they tried). I will not, nor will I ever, play it safe. I will not appease the masses by changing my ways because I am so set in them that I know no other way to express myself — not anyone else's way, but my own way — and I will not pander to the masses because it would be indignant of my nature to do so. The world will never change because I'm too far outside the confines of the box to change with it. I will not dull the senses by idealizing or romanticizing them, but simply tell you as it is, just the way I see it, by showing you every crack, every scar, every blemish, every smell, every stench, every thought, every deed, with as many words or as few words I deem fit, and leave to it to the reader to feel attraction or feel repulsion to them, and I would be happy with either because that reader reacted. It doesn't matter if the reaction was good or bad, moral or immoral, right or wrong, it's still a reaction and my words that caused that. I have learnt that I cater to a very small, but intimate, interest group — and that kind of immortal acceptance from fans is something I will never achieve because I've never been, and never will be, the typical fan myself. Nothing creative would generate from me if I weren't anything but myself. It's better for me to say than I tried to be different and unique, just as I am, and did my best than subjugate myself for being the same as everyone else with the least amount of effort. I will not be bullied by Philistines and Babbitts!
I am cursed to toil away in obscurity for all eternity and that the amount of work I put in does not equal (and will never equal) the amount an audience will give in return. I am grateful with what praise I have accumulated, what little I have, in my lifetime and I accept that, even in death, that I will never achieve greatness because that is simply how the world functions. Such is life. It's a vicious Sisyphean cycle of write, rinse, release, rant, headdesk, and repeat. So, I will always make it a habit to thank everyone who reads anything I do because, in the end, recognition does not come from talent, but dumb luck. If failure is the only option, then I will be safe in the knowledge that I, at least, tried and that I failed well — and failed my own way...
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Comments: 111
lainwiththedevil In reply to ??? [2012-10-16 04:42:42 +0000 UTC]
Like i said, if you wanna be more appreciated, what ya gotta do is actively participate better around here. They won't find you here. You want big numbers, you just gotta find THEM. Talk on forums. Go to people you admire with large viewership hit numbers, and offer them(and thereby others!) a link to your gallery/stories/personal website. Attend group chats, join clubs, offer commissions,enter contests...yknow. That sort of tiring thing. It's what it takes to basically get noticed around here. It doesn't require necessarily pandering to anybody, it just requires a lot of energy and enthusiasm for a heavy traffic internet social life. And some are not cut out for being interested in dealing with lots of strangers, some prefer the shadows, or stalking up a few particular close friends, that's fine. But you're not gonna attract a lot of fish, if you just swim round in the same pond. Though quite frankly, after having a good look at you, and your list of viewers, and stats, you have WAYYYYY WAYY WAY WAYYYYY WAYYY WAaaaaaaaaaaiguuuuuhhUHHHH WAY more people ever looking and enjoying your work and having a conversation on your wall about your stuff than mine ever has. And that's cool in my book. Just saying, yer not quite so alone there as you may think.
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tranimation-art In reply to lainwiththedevil [2012-10-16 05:59:19 +0000 UTC]
Personally, I think it's rather limited in amount of people who comment. Favs are pretty average. I get more with drawings than I ever do with written works, but that's to be expected here, but I don't necessarily like it. There are just days I can't help but go "Wonder what I'm doing wrong?"
I certainly add them to clubs and I do get new viewship that way. It's not much, but it's a start. I sadly don't have a lot of time to do chatrooms, contests, or commissions.
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Reyelene In reply to ??? [2012-10-05 11:21:00 +0000 UTC]
I feel your pain too. And this is not just in pastiche/fanfiction. I feel a similar pain at this electronics store with some of the customers I encounter. It's hard for me to place a clear example per se, but they'll ask me where a particular item is, most of the time an item I've never heard of. I tell them, "I will look it up in our system," they respond, "You can't just tell me!?" Well no, I can't because 1) this is an item I never knew existed to begin with, 2) NOBODY can instantly tell someone where an item is WITHOUT looking it up in a system, or looking for in one of the aisles, even someone who's an expert at customer service, and 3) it's just plain stupid for a buyer to expect "something for nothing" in anything, even to a response! And another little thing that irritates me is when a customer asks for something, you acknowledge the customer's need and you're very prompt with the time you take to do something, then you return and the customer disappears!
Now I'm just ranting on something that's totally off topic. Sorry about that.
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tranimation-art In reply to Reyelene [2012-10-06 18:24:33 +0000 UTC]
A lot of people seem to go by views. I don't. I got by comments. I like comments. I like to hear people's opinions on it; they help me know what an audience wants and expects from the story, what they like, or don't like, what I need to work on, what I should do more of. When I get none, I don't really know what to do, and I don't know if what I'm doing so far is right or wrong. It would help to hear something other than "MOOOOOOOOOOORRREEEE!"
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Reyelene In reply to tranimation-art [2012-10-11 07:26:34 +0000 UTC]
"A lot of people seem to go by views ..." By that, do you mean by color or appearance?
Oh BTW, you have a misspelling in the first line. You said "I got by comments" instead of "I go by comments."
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tranimation-art In reply to Reyelene [2012-10-11 19:43:14 +0000 UTC]
You know what I meant...
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Reyelene In reply to tranimation-art [2012-10-13 07:10:36 +0000 UTC]
"Most people go by views ..." Hmm, I guess I'm on of those who go by views ... But not with everything. It depends on the situation with me.
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tranimation-art In reply to Reyelene [2012-10-13 09:11:39 +0000 UTC]
Views don't tell me much. I'm sure most of them are people who got to the page by mistake.
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Reyelene In reply to tranimation-art [2012-10-14 17:59:13 +0000 UTC]
Views entice my imagination more. I can look at something so mundane and suddenly a million ideas go through my head. Sometimes I'll go use public opinion too, but then I get disappointed because it kills the imagery in my mind ...
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tranimation-art In reply to Reyelene [2012-10-14 20:03:35 +0000 UTC]
But, at least, I know what they're thinking about the piece.
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LilyAquarius In reply to ??? [2012-10-05 02:31:45 +0000 UTC]
Well, that summed up my feelings towards fandom in a way I couldn't. AWESOME! Its a little heart breaking and disillusioning when you see how ridiculous fandoms are.
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DarkAngelicNightmare In reply to ??? [2012-10-04 20:43:54 +0000 UTC]
I completely understand where you're coming from, and yet, feel like a hypocrite when I take a look at my own fandom stories.
It's a bittersweet support.
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tranimation-art In reply to DarkAngelicNightmare [2012-10-04 21:06:02 +0000 UTC]
Le sigh. It's true.
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SinistrosePhosphate In reply to ??? [2012-10-04 15:19:35 +0000 UTC]
Hello.
I found your article from a friend of mine. I hope you don't think I am intruding.
Fame is fleeting, it come from being recognised for being famous; I think most of us will have a difficult time trying to pin down why certain B-line and C-line "celebrities" are famous - and yet we all know their names and think we know about them. That, in a painfully plain example, is what "fame" is about. And if that is what you are after, then I am afraid what you will be faced with is an insurmountable wall of frustration and inner displeasure. While it's sometimes helpful to be able to throw a fist into the sky at the general inequality of the world, at the end the process is bad for the psyche.
The problem you are dealing with has been with us for a long, long time. And it will not go away anytime soon. What we are dealing with is the phenomenon of the lowest common denominator. People who write fan-fiction belongs to a very specific group of writers who are most prone to the creation of Mary Sue's and attempted erotica. To put in plainly, it is because the writing of fan-fiction is a way for them to participate in an universe that they profess they love. The mission statement behind Mary Sue's is "I love it and I want in," while the general drive behind erotica is "this is what I think about, therefore this is what I believe those I love must also think about." When you put two and two together and add in the factor that there's already a target audience who think along similar veins, it's plain to see that it's not because the world is not fair - it's because you're in the wrong playground. The fan-fiction.com (?) playground panders to a large number of younger readers who really don't care much about plot and character other than the self-driven ability to participate. And they have created the bane of your existence.
I am not insinuating that the world is, therefore, hopeless. No, far from it. If you believe what you do are pastiches, then your target audience must also be people who understand what a pastiche is and the difference between fan-fiction and pastiche. Only in the right company can you hope for the recognition you seek. Depending on the playground, you will probably realise that those whom you seek are few and far in between. But just as no one in their right mind would want to compare a Morgan Freeman with a member of the Jersey Shore cast - is there really a need to compare your relative popularity? On the other hand, if you believe you are rightfully wronged by the world, then it is time to do something about the whole damned situation after you have recovered from your meltdown. It took J.K. Rowling several years and rejections from 12 different publishers before the first Harry Potter was set and printed to take over the world. If you believe you deserve the fame and fortune for all the hard work you have put into your works, then it's time to take that extra step and win that fortune - reach out to the type of audience you want to reach. If you think the lurid reality show audience is not the eyes you want to attract, then it's time to change playgrounds. No point in pandering to the lowest common denominator if that is not what you are about.
Good luck,
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tranimation-art In reply to SinistrosePhosphate [2012-10-04 15:48:45 +0000 UTC]
I don't want fame nor to I want fortune. I just want a little respect. When I started, there was no internet. The term "fanfiction" didn't existed. It was "pastiche." I actually joined the scions of literary writers and literary scholars, namely the Sherlock Holmes scions, when I started, so my perspective of "fandom" (which, again, wasn't a word that existed at the time) was completely different. There were no pre-prepubscent crowds of teenagers blocking the way; my competitors with true-to-life literary writers, alive and dead, and literary scholars, back when they were in BOOKS. And I was a would-be scholar myself and I was published a selected few Sherlockian magazines and articles. Then came the internet and everything changed in such a brief amount of time that I'm still playing catch up.
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SinistrosePhosphate In reply to tranimation-art [2012-10-05 01:55:09 +0000 UTC]
I see, we have another Sherlockian here. Well met.
The art of writing pastiche has been with us for many, many years. And in a time when the common man has no recourse and no means to propagate their own works, the playground was reserved for those in a small circle of writers. That's where you see pastiches written of the world's first consulting detective written by big names around the world. But the unfortunate things that you have seen and complained about were there in the past as well. It started when William Gillett requested to re-write the first Sherlock Holmes stage play by asking "May I marry Holmes?" We saw it again in Laurie R. King's series where the main character was the "Bee Keeper's Apprentice". The same self-inserts and the same pandering to "popular tastes" have always been there, albeit in a more subdued form, because the writers of such pastiches were educated and named themselves.
As you said, the Internet was a game changer, that's for sure. With the advent of the Internet, the common man found himself a soapbox and a bull-horn. But such is the result of giving Everyman a voice - the same message would be roared out in words that could be immediately understood. What's "popular" has to take into consideration that no matter which nation you live in or which language you speak, the average reading ability stays in the grade 5-6 range for most adults. That's why newspapers and magazines are written the way they are. In that sense, it's difficult to get respect when your audience don't "get" you. Only those who actually understood what you did can properly give you that respect.
So... it still comes down to the "wrong playground" idea I mentioned the last time. If your audience cannot understand you, there's no way of getting respect from them. Your indignity suggest that while you claim you are not looking for fame, you are still left wondering "Why don't people read my works?" Well... while most people still understand that opera is one of the marvels of human creation... most people still stick to the top 40's; because it is something they understand. To get the type of respect you wanted, you need an opera-going crowd, figuratively speaking. You can't find that in a playground full of folks who belt out the latest Lady Gaga. So please, give yourself a break. This arena is most certainly not for you - and you really shouldn't work yourself up over such an unfair fight. It only hurts your dignity to become hopeless over such things.
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SinistrosePhosphate In reply to lainwiththedevil [2012-10-07 12:14:21 +0000 UTC]
See? No reason for a meltdown.
A pastiche-writing mind is a terrible thing to waste.
All the best,
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Brinatello In reply to ??? [2012-10-03 23:20:39 +0000 UTC]
Plain and simple: you can't please everyone. I've tried real hard to write stories where everyone is in character, perfect grammar, a decent plot, you name it, I tried it, but not everyone will go for that. In the end, you know there's nothing you can do to stop these writers from writing smut. It's going to happen no matter what. Just stick to what you're good at: writing awesome stories, making beautiful art, and creating your canon worlds with many intriguing characters. Don't worry about what other fans write or draw.
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tranimation-art In reply to Brinatello [2012-10-04 15:34:34 +0000 UTC]
I don't mind smut. Smut can be done well. It's the bad writing, it's the same kind of bad writing that I see over and over again, which gets to be. And that it's praised and congratulated that gets to me. And then scratch my head because THAT'S my competition.
But as I said in the article, I can't write and draw something that doesn't come naturally out of me. I love reading, I love researching, I love intricate stories and complex charcters, etc. I can NOT escape that kind of creative process in me.
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Brinatello In reply to tranimation-art [2012-10-04 18:11:37 +0000 UTC]
From the first two paragraphs, I was under the impression you didn't like smut at all. I apologize for the misunderstanding. As for the bad writing, that's typical in amateur writers. Many of them are very young and possess a small amount of education in creative writing. But, allowing their bad writing to get to you will only aggravate you further. It's like what *SinistrosePhosphate said: You're in the wrong playground. You need to stick to groups or sites that don't welcome every kind of writing. There are many people who think the same way as you, you just need to find them and start sharing your work with them.
And that's all good things about being a writer and artist! You've got loads of talent, girl. You're a natural when it comes to creativity. It flows out of you and thus you build on what you have in mind to share with others.
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tranimation-art In reply to Brinatello [2012-10-04 19:47:35 +0000 UTC]
When I started, there was no internet. The term "fanfiction" didn't existed yet. It was known by the term "pastiche," instead. I was part of scions of the Sherlock Holmes literary and scholastic circles, so my perspective of "fandom" (which, too, was a word that didn't exist at the time) was completely different. There were no prepubescent crowds and teenage writers blocking the way. My competitors were university professors, professional writers, literary scholars, even the Sir Arthur Conan Doyle estate itself — and it was my hope to be a would-be scholar myself. I have had a few articles, essays, and a pastiche or two published in a few Sherlockian magazines. Of course, this was back when people regularly read books, then came the internet and everything changed in such a brief amount of time that I'm still playing catch up to this day.
So, yes, I am in the wrong playground. I started in a playground that was extremely different from what is around now. Honestly, I want to go back, but I have to evolve with the times. This is how it is now and I can't run away from it. I can but ignore it.
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Brinatello In reply to tranimation-art [2012-10-04 20:43:24 +0000 UTC]
We're around the same age, so I was quite certain you had these interests long before the Internet existed. Anyone growing up in the eighties and early nineties had no Internet. I never heard of the word 'fandom' until I discovered the World Wide Web around 1996. I got my first IBM Aptiva computer in 1999 and I started getting involved in writing/drawing with other TMNT fans. Although, I was writing and drawing the characters long before I had a computer, but I never thought to call it fanfiction or fan art. I found groups, message boards, chat rooms, even did RP'ing and it was all exciting and new for me.
But it's true, every fandom has their moments where you look at it and wonder why you're a part of it. What makes you stick around or avoid certain areas.
You don't have to prove yourself or compete with anyone else. You know you love to write, draw, and create new characters/universes, and that alone is enough to keep your head held high. You're right, none of us can run away from bad writing. You just have to ignore it.
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tranimation-art In reply to Brinatello [2012-10-05 14:18:22 +0000 UTC]
My father is a software engineer, so my introducing to the internet was around 1996 or 1997, too, but I didn't get really into it until we got our own connection in 1999, introduced through GMD RP forums among other things.
Fandoms were different then. I brought a literary element to it through my experience with the Sherlockian community and it probably overwhelmed someone people because it was so different from what people were used to.
Now, all I can do it just do as I always did. Keep to drawing, keep writing, keep creating in my own little corner, and hope beyond hope people look at it. If they don't, oh, well...
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Brinatello In reply to tranimation-art [2012-10-06 07:47:47 +0000 UTC]
The one thing we both can surely admit is we were introduced to some wonderful people in the fandom. I have found some keepers in the GMD fandom, one of which is you, so that's why I consider it a good thing to have come across this fandom.
Speaking of a Sherlockian, I haven't been able to go back to Holmesian.net. Every time I try to go there, it says my computer is in danger of getting hacked.
They do look, believe me they do.
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tranimation-art In reply to Brinatello [2012-10-06 16:44:35 +0000 UTC]
Sadly, not many listen to me anymore, I just do my own thing.
I have no problem accessing Holmesian.net. Of course, I haven't been there in years.
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Brinatello In reply to tranimation-art [2012-10-07 03:58:11 +0000 UTC]
I listen to you. I kind of do my own thing, too.
I still get notifications of the Funny Pics Thread, but whenever I try to go and view them, I get the warning page to quickly leave. It's bizarre.
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tranimation-art In reply to Brinatello [2012-10-07 05:20:40 +0000 UTC]
Hmmmm, strange. Is your security on high on your browser?
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Brinatello In reply to tranimation-art [2012-10-07 23:43:10 +0000 UTC]
I use Webroot Antivirus and it was saying it was unsafe to go to that particular topic. I went and checked again and it was okay to look around. So hopefully I can resume normal posting.
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WhiteRavenLord In reply to ??? [2012-10-03 23:20:18 +0000 UTC]
Never fear my friend, you can't pander to people in order to get the views as the popular folk have. All you have to do is stay true to your values, stay true to your convictions in terms of fanfiction writing, and like mind individuals will come to you.
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tranimation-art In reply to WhiteRavenLord [2012-10-04 02:57:05 +0000 UTC]
I do my best, too. But a little recognition would be appreciated at times. Something other than "LUVLUVLUVLUV! MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOREEEEEEEEE!"
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Symbionia In reply to tranimation-art [2013-03-08 14:23:50 +0000 UTC]
That's one of the reasons I hate the Gwevin pairing from Ben 10.
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tranimation-art In reply to Symbionia [2013-03-08 15:23:30 +0000 UTC]
Sadly, don't know a thing about BEN 10.
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Symbionia In reply to tranimation-art [2013-03-08 15:31:00 +0000 UTC]
Let's just say it wasn't Dwayne McDuffie's best work before he tragically died.
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tranimation-art In reply to Symbionia [2013-03-08 15:44:15 +0000 UTC]
I'm a big Dwayne McDuffie fan actually, but I never got around to watching BEN 10 strangely.
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Symbionia In reply to tranimation-art [2013-03-08 15:48:05 +0000 UTC]
Gwevin is my most hated pair(it felt like executive meddling actually) just read his old comics & his tv work that's not Ben 10.
I really hate "50 Shades Of Grey" & I wish for more cool LGBT main characters.
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tranimation-art In reply to Symbionia [2013-03-08 16:03:18 +0000 UTC]
What kind of LGBT characters are you looking for? Maybe I can help point you in the direction to some you'd like.
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Symbionia In reply to tranimation-art [2013-03-08 18:08:10 +0000 UTC]
This is going to be long:I'm meh on Batwoman, I've read Greg Pak's Pre-openly Bi Hercules,I love Scandal Savage & Jeanette from "Secret Six",I like the Sailor Moon Anime & Manga,I like True Blood's Lafayette Reynolds, thinks Russell Edgington was at his best in season 3 & at his worst in season 5, Kids In The Hall is my favorie Sketch show,&
P.S. One of the reasons I hate the Kevin/Gwen pairing is I ship Kevin/Ben.For the most part I respect most Hetro canon couples but I think this pairing is bad even without me wanting a canon gay couple.
Also I know we respectfully disagreed on Repo!;I'm wondering if you ever saw or listened to the train wreck of the Broadway Production of "Carrie The Musical"? It does have decent music especially with Betty Buckley:
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The rest of the production is basically an eyesore.
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tranimation-art In reply to Symbionia [2013-03-10 13:46:35 +0000 UTC]
Ever try THE AUTHORITY? Midnighter and Apollo are very, very sweet couple. If you like Scandal Savage and Jeanette from SECRET SIX, I recommend the GOTHAM CENTRAL, particularly the "Half a Life" arc with Renee Montoya.
While I enjoy REPO!, it's not the best opera/musical in the world, no. I think that honour goes to NOTRE-DAME DE PARIS, personally. Thank you for introducing me to CARRIE: THE MUSICAL. I actually haven't heard of it. You're right, I looked up the other songs out of curiosity and, yeah, the rest of production is "head scratch"-worthy, but I do like these two a great deal better, particularly the second one.
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Symbionia In reply to tranimation-art [2013-03-12 02:32:46 +0000 UTC]
I have heard of both & I think I'll try them since I am a fan of Greg Rucka. I his,George Perez's, & Gail Simone's runs on Wonder Woman; I have desire to read New-52 WW since she's a different with the same name to me.
Check out the hisory of Carrie The Musical:
[link] (musical)
I might try NOTRE-DAME DE PARIS.Have you seen "The Devil's Carnival"; I might try that movie since looks it has a better idea of it wants to be more than Repo!;I hate the music.
Tragically "Carrie The Musical" could have been good; most of the blame is on the director Terry Hands.Betty Bucklet(Miss Collins in Carrie 76) was the best Margaret White(Maurren McGovern played her in the workshop, Barabara Cook played in the Straford Upon Avon production, & Marin Mazzie played her in the Revival).
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tranimation-art In reply to Symbionia [2013-03-12 04:29:16 +0000 UTC]
Eeeehhh..., I can't say I like the NEW 52 Wonder Woman run. I like Brian Azzarello, I really do. I enjoyed 100 BULLETS, BATMAN: BROKEN CITY, JOKER, and his stints on HELLBLAZER and BEFORE WATCHMEN: RORSCHACH (even though I nitpick it like hell), but I can't say I like the direction he went with Wonder Woman. It's not badly written; I simply don't like the direction he took the character and her history. I prefer the way George Perez did it and I love the way Gail Simone writes her, too, before the NEW 52 came about.
NOTRE-DAME DE PARIS is, oohhhhhhhhh, so beautiful. It is French, but don't watch it or hear it in any other language. It just don't work outside the original language. The production is gorgeous, the scope is both simplistic and HUGEEEEEEEE, the story is tragic and very close to the book, the performances are top-notch, the music is closest thing to perfection, and you will CRYYYYY! CRYYYYYYYY SO HARD! I hate calling it a musical because it's really an opera. While I own the DVD (and got in back when the DVD was impossible to get because it was a limited-edition import), you can see the entire thing here: [link]
Wow, I had nooooo idea Broadway was so fickle. Hurm.
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Symbionia In reply to tranimation-art [2013-03-15 12:32:00 +0000 UTC]
I'll try NOTRE-DAME DE PARIS since it sounds good.
Have you ever heard of Disneyland Paris Phantom Manor?[link]
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tranimation-art In reply to Symbionia [2013-03-15 13:41:22 +0000 UTC]
You can watch the whole thing here. I have the entire list in case I go bored in school (or library or work) and wanted to listen to something while I worked. It's the complete play (in order) with English subtitles: [link]
Oh, Vincent Price...eeeeeeeeeeeeeee! (snuggles him) It doesn't seem too different from the American version (Disneyland or Disney World, which was were I worked).
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WhiteRavenLord In reply to tranimation-art [2012-10-04 04:44:16 +0000 UTC]
Lol I hear you, but sometimes that is the best you are going to get from some people and all you can do is keep on going.
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