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Published: 2015-06-18 10:53:15 +0000 UTC; Views: 86297; Favourites: 776; Downloads: 303
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"I might be a villain but I'm not a tyrant..." Chrysalis----------------------------------------------
Warning : This comic is direct sequel of "To Love God - To Love Mortal" vavacung.deviantart.com/galler…
And sharing universe and timeline with Crazy Future and Chaos Future vavacung.deviantart.com/galler…
English Editor : dracoblair.deviantart.com/
My Patreon : www.patreon.com/vavacung?ty=h
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Yeah, but this is also a lazy tool for some writers to use. It's the equivalent of using narrative magic to get out of the situation, without granting the reader an explanation.
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No it is not. All I am saying is show dont tell depends on what you are writting about.
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Okay, well here's an example is this: We get Chrysalis yammering about how ponies are assholes an etc and we are only shown two images one of the magic barrier and one the usage of a magical trinket to remove a disguise off a changeling. Not really something that makes 'em appear as "dicks", if the author wants to truly illustrate this point. Then show me the ponies being assholes, have a scene of 'em torturing a changeling CIA style or something, yeah it would still come across as manipulative, but you atleast would have somethin' to back up said statement.
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Can I add some intrigue and betrayals in it? Said CIA agents are under the brainwashing of a paramilitary changeling orgamisation that intends to strike both sides while they bicker to emerge the victor.
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You know, that would be frickin' awesome. Seriously, we'd be getting into some bad ass Tom Clancy type stuff, which would be frickin sweet.
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I am actually writting using similar intrigue. Wonna hear my idea?
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Well, did add you yesterday (hitman47_lt) an well waiting for a response.
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I understand. Just gimme some time I'm busy ending my exam period.
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Maybe there was a reason???
If the changelins wanted to take the love by force, this is because they coudn't by simply asking. ¨you ponies made sure it was almost impossible for us to harvest love¨
If you ask someone to help you but he don't, and you die if you do nothing, you fight for it.
I am with Chrysalis.
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Maybe the reason they didn't ask is because taking the love of ponies is painful and could result in turning them into empty shells of their former selves with no emotions. A fate worse than death...
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I'm pretty sure the Changelings aren't the soul sucking creatures from Harry Potter. An frankly, judging from how Shining Armor looked, looks like they mostly become drained and very weak.
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I may have exaggerated a bit on that part, but the point is that it's probably a VERY unpleasant feeling.
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Seriously? Okay, let me point out the obvious that Chrysalis NEVER ASKED. If she did, this wouldn't be happening right now! In fact, Chrysalis wouldn't be a villain! Ponies would've helped if they ASKED. But they didn't. They invaded them and damaged their relationship. Nothing Chrysalis says is making me feel pity for her, because she brought this on herself. And there's still one big problem, that people forget: YOU CAN'T TAKE LOVE BY FORCE, NO MATTER WHAT! IT DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT! Honestly, Chrysalis is the one who screwed up and now she and her people suffer for it. Sorry Chrisy, but you're a tyrant still.
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How do you know she never asked? She didn't while she was on screen. Ponies have been known to be pretty racist. You saw how they treated a zebra.
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That's not racism. Racism is the belief that your race is above all the others. Ponies were terrified of her, but they didn't believe they were better than her.
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Semantics. Either way, changelings asking for help won't go well.
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No, it would. Why? Because Celestia is in charge. She is a very wise, very patient, and very forgiving pony. Seriously, this would work as an argument if anyone besides Celestia was in charge. Celestia would've done EVERYTHING she could to help them, if they had ASKED FIRST.
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Perhaps she was less forgiving a century or two ago, and Chrysalis didn't think to keep asking.
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Seriously? That doesn't make sense, because Chrysalis hasn't been living for as long as Celestia, nor can she!
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We know how old Chrysalis is? How old is she? This thing takes place hundreds of years after the show and she's still alive.
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That's because it's a fanwork. Logic goes out the window in these when it needs to suit the story. You can't use the fanwork's logic in an argument about the show's logic.
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Yeah, but you can use it when talking about something from the fanwork. But is there something in canon about how old Chrysalis is?
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Well no, I will admit that. But the lack of evidence isn't the evidence of not being there.
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You mean absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence? That's not actually true , but the evidence isn't strong. The main reason bronies believe her to be immortal is that she has the same body type as Celestia. That's not that great evidence, but given that every other major villain on the show has been at least a thousand years old, I'd say she probably is long-lived. This doesn't extend to the movies. Sunset shimmer isn't, and I've been told that the comics say the Dazzlings were transported into the future so we don't know with her. Also, if we define major as having a two-parter, then Starlight Glimmer would count, but she's a very minor major villain and obviously a regular pony.
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I don't think that's proper evidence. Luna, Sombra, and Discord were put in a form of stasis. Tirek was sent to Tartaras, the pony version of hell where one is meant to suffer for eternity so he doesn't age.
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If I understood it correctly, Sombra wasn't in the Crystal Empire when it vanished. Although he did go missing for a while so maybe he put himself in stasis somehow. I thought Tartarus was just a regular prison. What kind of a monster would force someone to suffer for eternity? And if you had a way to keep people from aging, why wouldn't you use it on other ponies? If Tirek was immortal for that reason, then we can add Celestia to the list of immortal villains.
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...Okay, I'm done talking to you. Not for the part about Sombra. Not for the part about Tartarus not being an eternal prison. But because you said that just because Celestia is immortal, that she counts as an immortal villain. That is nothing but pure bullshit and you know it.
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Not because she's immortal. Because she's handing out infinite punishment for finite crimes, assuming she is. I'm pretty sure that's not what Equestria's Tartarus is, though.
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XD
1: she had a reason to do so, and no one have proof of the contrary, so i keep my way: she had a reason.
2: Can't take love by force? She is a changeling queen, and you are a human..... i think i will believe her before you.
I really can't understand others's opinion sometimes...
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1. And her reason is contradictory to what she did. She wanted love for her changelings, yet forced them to invade a kingdom to get it.
2. I said it before for things like this and I will say it again: You CAN'T take love by force. And seriously? You'd believe someone who tried to take over an entire kingdom, over someone who's just trying to get you to think about this in a way that's not blinded by your love for Changelings?
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1: If i was a changeling queen and if the ponies refused to help me while me and my people are dying, i WILL invade a kingdom, what else would you want me to do? (don't tell me she didn't, no one have proof, and saying ¨because she is stupid¨ is not an argument, she has a reason.)
2: Yes, i will believe a Changeling queen before a human, even more if she had reasons to invade the said kingdom.
3: i don't love the changelins, i just don't hate them for wanting to survive...
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...Sir, you are too firm in believing the idea that Chrysalis did ask first. If she did, the episode NEVER WOULD'VE HAPPENED. Because Celestia isn't an idiot and would've most certainly agreed to helping the changelings, IF THEY ASKED. The fact that they invaded shows that they never even thought of it. Just because one has a reason, doesn't keep them from being stupid in their choices! Reason is important, but the actions that occur BECAUSE of that reason are equally important. They are not negated simply because of a good reason. Nothing you say proves that Chrysalis deserves pity.
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Conspiracy theory time:What if changelings that were impatient staged a failed diplomatic attempt? I am not saying it happened... simply... what if?
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Do you have any evidence to back it up? I won't believe in what if scenarios unless they have some evidence that they could've actually happened.
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I am not asking you to believe this. This is a fanfic idea... But on the other hand... Is there evidence against it? All I am saying is we know soooo little about the changelings that it could be anything. And thats the fun part about writing changelings.
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Yes, but the way vavacung is going with this is trying to make us feel sorry for them when all the ponies are doing is trying to keep others safe. Chrysalis had 160 years to fix the 'racism' the ponies had against her people, and what does she do instead of admitting that invading a kingdom for a resource that can't be taken by force was a bad idea? Blame the ones she attacked. Sorry, but that's not writing a good fanfic or making a good fanfic comic. That's being changeling biased.
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I don't think we call that racism in any case.
I am not exactly mentioning Vava's idea here but mine. I think we got a wee bit confused here.
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Not you, but other people in the comments do. Seriously, so many side with the changelings because they think that just because someone tries to keep a threat out, they are automatically evil and should die.
You gave the general idea of how writing about changelings is fun. That would include vavacung's ideas about them. Look, you can defend the general idea, I won't argue with that because it is a good idea. But vavacung is not doing well with the idea, they're just making the ponies the bad guys because they love changelings so much. That line where Chrysalis admits she is a villain, makes me feel mad. She knows what she did was wrong and is blaming the ponies, instead of admitting that she made a huge mistake. It's aggravating to say the least.
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That's overexaggerating it but seriously... why not be the "better man" in this? Meaning why not pity them and show them your greatness ((to the changelings)). It's one thing I learned from having two parents teachers.
1)Don't burn bridges
2)Fearing punishment teaches nothing
"Conspiracy theory time:What if changelings that were impatient staged a failed diplomatic attempt? I am not saying it happened... simply... what if?"
I am talking about this idea.
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Okay so, showing pity to a race of people who tried to take over an entire kingdom for a resource that was not only infinite but can't be taken by force is being the better man? When they have done nothing to deserve pity? There's a difference between suffering because of life itself, and suffering because you were a villain in a situation that didn't call for it.
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Assuming its infinite and assuming it cant be taken y force both proven wro.g by 1 laws of physics that say energy cant be created and 2 by numerous cases in canon.
I have long since learned that punishment itself will teach nothing. You need to understand that e.g. Sunset Shimmer didn't know friendship was the better/more powerful way. Likewise to changeling standards putting changelings above ponies might seem more effective but be wrong.
Let us show them another way... Offer them another path and see if they change. We cannot force them to change.
That way we can have the alleged moral ground able to say we at least tried. That we exhausted all options before going to war.
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How the heck am I putting changelings above ponies by simply wanting them to compromise before invading?! I DON'T SEE WHAT YOU MEAN BY ME PUTTING THEM ABOVE PONIES!
You right now are putting changelings BELOW ponies, saying that we need to be there to guide them. NO. If you want me to respect changelings, then they need to find this path for themselves. They should be smart enough to realize that what they did was wrong, and try to fix it. That's not putting them above the level of the ponies. That's putting them AT the level of the ponies. We are not FORCING them to change. We NEVER tried to go to war with them. You are honestly pulling stuff out of nowhere right now to try and convince me to pity the changelings.
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I think you need to re-read what i was saying. I wasn't saying anything about you.
What are you talking about? Did you read my comments or someone else's? I seriously went on and re-read my comment and I am saying nothing of the things you are suggesting... I am not accusing you of anything, and I'm not trying to force anything on you. Please re-read my comment calmly.
Well if you see guidance as weakness or putting someone below someone else then I am sorry but that's not the way humility works. Socrates said "I know one thing... I know nothing..."
I am not asking you to pity the changelings, but to be fair if you or I could do something so that their situation becomes better and they change... I'd gladly do that.
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I DON'T see guidance as a weakness. But the changelings REFUSE to have guidance. And if they refuse that, they have to learn it on their own. If they accepted guidance, then they wouldn't be in the situation they're in right now. And don't say you aren't trying to get me to pity the changelings, when you have been this whole time. You're trying to convince me to turn a blind eye to their previous actions and pity them. You try to convince me with flimsy what if scenarios to pity them. That is what you've been doing this whole time.
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"But the changelings REFUSE to have guidance. " Says who? Also they might not be aware that they need it. As I might have said before Chrysalis is lashing out acting immaturely. Maybe that's what she needs.
I think you are seriously messing up the tenses and the conversation is being screwed up because of misunderstandings. So let's finish this on a calm note please.
I am not saying ignore their previous actions! Wtf are you talking about? Don't put words in my mouth. All I say is dwelling in the past is no good and that we need to surpass it. If that means paying for our crimes so be it.
To prove you that I consider payment for what Chrysalis/changelings do I have considered as a fanfic idea the idea of Chrysalis receiving divine punishement by changeling spirits. The punishment being emotional feedback of everything she's done in an attempt for her to regain her empathetic nature.
I am not trying to convince you with that scenario I know I can't change the mind of some people that easily. But I myself are writting fanfics and considering said what ifs. I am not asking you to take said "What if" and consider it real. I am merely trying to tell you... be open minded. You never know...
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You seriously think I'm not open minded to the idea of changelings being good guys? I AM. I want that to happen! What made you think that I'm not open to that idea when I have stated before that I AM open to that idea?
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Again I never said you are not. I simply stated the intentions behind my statements. Stop rushing into conclusions.
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Either way, it's not fair to suggest to me to be more open minded, when over half of the comments on these pages are being close minded themselves. You have said before it's not as bad as I claim. May it is not. But they are still being close minded.
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