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Span of time.2000 years ago, the Greeks had a way of understanding and talking about time that we have all but lost. To them time was not just a static thing. A past event could have impact and effect on a current event and move into the future. While we understand these concepts when they are explained, the beauty of Koine Greek, is that these thoughts, as well as many others, could be contained within one word. For us, to convey the same ideas, takes many words, many sentences and even in some cases paragraphs.
This image takes the concept of time and measurement, and treats them as equals. It challenges us to consider the meaning of time and its measurement, for our lives and our world.
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I like the glittering about the golden chain and that the watch is so shiny. Again you created a great contrast between the wooden ground and the shining accessoires. 
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thank you very kindly for your comments and visit.
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You are very welcome. As you know, I really adore your art! (:
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Well thank you very much again, and I also thank you for the
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Nice piece
I find very interesting what you said about time. Mean you that it is also another dimension? You talk about the cause-effect relation, but in tao (I oppose the occidental thought to the oriental one) things are related to each other in a different way. Everything changes in time too, but things happen because they're in a system where elements have a function that rely on the other elements (and those element don't act over the others in that cause-effect relation).
It is difficult for me to explain it in English, hope I wasn't bored or unclear
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You are NOT boring. On the contrary, what you say is very interesting. I attempted to explain Koine Greek thought in my coments, but I was not really sucessful. The Western mind, does not comprehend these things easily. For myself, it took years of language study just to barely grasp these concepts and ideas.
For me, language is the door to understanding the thoughts that a culture contains. Yet, our abiliities to really understand continue to be hampered by our predominant culture. For me that is western thought, which is devoid of anything mystical.
The Koine Greeks I believe saw time as not just an event or a concept, but also as real entity. Their language containes nuances that just cannot be put into the thoughts of other languages. Their sense of a "perfect" is an excellent example. For them a perfect was a past event that happened at a specific measurable defined place in time or history. Yet that even, place or time was still as valid to the present day, as if it was still happening or had just happend, and that event place or time would continue to have this impact on into the future. (All of this is contained in one greek word). And I have only talked about one nuance of time or understandingof the world...there are many others.
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Very interesting
I want you to read my last journal.
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Sometimes you just blow me away.
I am not sure that I always understand your depth of thought. But as i read your journal it remined me of a theologian named Paul Tillich. He was talking about symbols. What Tillich says is that symbls are very important to us because they point to a reality beyond us. Symbols are not themselves the reality, but they point towards the reality and take part in the reality, but they are NOT the reality.
I know his statement seems redundant, and it is at first look, but each element becomes important as I consider it deeper. This perspective has been foundational for how I look at life and especially how I come at some images.
So thank you for your perspectives and for highlighting "key of light". But more than that, thank you for sharing your perspectives with me, even thugh I struggle to understand their depth.
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It is always more than interesting to share these thoughts with you. This was an interesting example... I've forgotten to use the word "symbol", and it fits very propperly what I wanted to explain about symmetry.
With the symbols, we want to apprehend (in the ethimological sense) the timeless concepts so that we can feel safer... That "reality beyond us", that isn't fitted to the vicissitudes of time, never dies, and, since it doesn't exist, never changes.
But I think we must assume that we are part of reality (our reality), and thus we are necessarily doomed to fall into the chaos...
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I have had considerable difficulty responding to this note. Partly it was the term you used...ethimological. I have not heard of that term. (I canβt assume it is a spelling error though, because you do not strike me as one who would allow that, I thought perhaps you meant etymological, but I am still not sure...so I have delayed.)
I was also intrigued by your comment βthe timeless concepts so that we can feel safer...β as I am not sure how to interpret it.
But I think the kicker for me was this one βThat "reality beyond us", that isn't fitted to the vicissitudes of time, never dies, and, since it doesn't exist, never changes.β
I have difficulty with the concept that what does not exist cannot change because something that does not exist it, is not relevant. However, simply because we cannot see or apprehend something, does not mean it does not exist. For instance we cannot see atoms or neutrinos. That does not matter, we cannot see them but we can measure their existence, in a fashion. But my point is this, simply because one cannot see something, does not mean it does not exist. We have known of the existence of atoms for years, long before we could measure them.
So let me take a kick at, even though I may not have understood anything that you have said.
For myself, I believe in PAN of Existence in the sense of the Greek etymology. This would be the totality of ALL existence, that which is seen as well as unseen. So in my way of thinking, (or viewing the world I guess), that which does not exist cannot affect that which does exist, either the seen or unseen because it is non-existence. (This is getting very circular...LOL)
Within the concept above, the assumption of being part of reality is of an imperative form. Everything that exists, seen or unseen, is part of that reality. We are also part of that reality. But is this just MY reality, or it is βtheβ reality? If it is my reality, then it is just my perception of reality. But if reality exists apart from my perception, then it is no longer my perception of realty, but rather βtheβ reality even if my perception of it differs from what it really is. I guess what I am saying is that I think βrealityβ exists apart from us. It does not require our thoughts to make it real, and even if it has our thoughts, they are only imperfect perceptions of that reality.
Now having said all of that I realize that I may have totally misinterpreted what you have said. In that case...its all open again....
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I'm so sorry...
Maybe I shouldn't try to enter philosophical conversations in English. You can't imagine how difficult is for me to explain some ideas in a language that is not my mother tonge. Of course I meant "etymological". The problem is that I wasn't sure of the spelling, so I looked for it in the dictionary and it didn't appear...
I would only like to try to explain what I said about symbols. Of course they don't exists in our world as matter, but they exist as concepts (for example Plato's World of Forms). I meant, they don't "exist" physically, but as ideas or archetypes.
I hope it is clearer now
Next time I will try to do it better or just shut up!
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no...what ever you do, don't shut up.
Maybe though this is not the right forum for a philospohical debate. (we could try notes???)
I can only imagine how difficult it is to try to explain something in a different language. (I have studied maybe 6 languages and know from this experience that concepts, especially philosophical ones are really hard to explain and even in your native language).
I think with your clarification your points are much better understood. When you speak of "matter" as reality, and "Unmatter" (it that is a word) as nonphysical realities, then I understand. You also used the word archetypes....and that I clearly understand. So what i think, is that we are saying just about the same thing....you with your struggles in this language...and me with my minimal intellect in these matters.
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Thanks my friend for your understanding.
I will try to express myself better. Yes, we could do it through notes.
Wow, six languages... Which ones?
Me, English, French, Dutch, German and a bit Latin.
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nothing so exotic for languages....
Koine Greek, (Kind of a deal language), High German, Salteaux, Dene, Cree. The last three are languages of the indiginous people in this area. I was working within their communities, and I took language studies because I believe that launguage is the "door" to understanding a culture. I was never good at them, and I have mostly lost the ability.
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What an interesting experience... It says much about you.
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LOL Or....maybe not....I have learned to be very careful how I interpret of judge things.
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ooooh~ i love the brown color >.<
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Oh, i love this image very much! I like the idea. And I am a bit addicted to all these old instruments.. they convey solidness, dignity and the warmness of the master hands.. 
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thanks. I appreciate your comments. I think I am addicted to "old" also. I just can't seem to get enough, and it has been a romance tha has lasted all my life.
The compass is at least 40 years old, and the watch is from the late 1800's. My estimate is about 1880, but dating is difficult.
Thank you also for the
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great colours, great composition too and good lighting
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thank you very much for your kind comment, and also for your
I am pleased with how the lighting is working. I have been able to soften it a lot, and that is creating effects that I could not do before. Experimentation is the key.
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thank you for your visit.
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Hello
- I like subject matter and vintage approach.
Best regards
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thanks for your visit, comment and
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I like this shot, and I like the concept behind it, great job.
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thank you very much. I appreciate the support.
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this is beautiful...love the vintage look of this..
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The colors are beautiful in this, but I feel that you almost loose the measurement device since it's the same color as the background. I love the idea behind this, since time is such a hard thing to measure. There are those moments that last forever, and then the ones that can never go by soon enough.
Nice work!
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thank you.
Keeping detail in all of the parts was a significant challenge. The light ratios are very high and I finally adjusted the contrast on the camera, as there was no way I could reduce it further with the lighting (The face of the watch is just too bright compared to the other objects).
So exposure was a compromise, and was DRIVEN into the one I used toretain detail in the watch and some in the shadows. I think though, if you look at it at th elargest size, you will see that the detail is there. I have made a framed copy, that even inthis medium, without the advantage of luminessence (like a monitor) the detail of the compass comes out nicely.
Personally, i liked the brown tones, because it reminded me of age, and the kinds of paintings that the rare masters did. Like mann, Millet Rembrant, Reni, or vermeer.....it has been a LOOK that I have been trying to achieve over the last while an dfor th most part, I think I have suceeded.
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Thanks for the response. The process sounds like an interesting labor of love, and I'm glad that it turned out so well.
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I love how the colors warm the cold metal in this shot. Even though I detest clocks and watches...it's still a great picture and composition,
jen
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Thank you. I appreciate your coment.
I love watches but I certainly don't expect that everyone does. The watch I used was very old but it still works.
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