TheNakedArgonian In reply to ??? [2017-08-23 10:38:59 +0000 UTC]

I'll take a look at it. Thanks.

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Sully-Evilyan In reply to TheNakedArgonian [2017-08-23 20:23:17 +0000 UTC]

Np

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brooklynn620 In reply to GregZhel [2016-11-29 02:36:08 +0000 UTC]

whoa man careful with the extra salt o.o

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GregZhel In reply to brooklynn620 [2016-11-30 19:07:40 +0000 UTC]

It was spilled all over my table by a Bad Day Guy. Anyway how does drawing traditionally make you a better artist? I still don't understand that. 

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GregZhel In reply to GregZhel [2016-12-12 10:07:39 +0000 UTC]

Thanks for the replies that make some sense. I was a bit salty in my first comment so i exaggerated the truth, I might not really love drawing on paper but I do studies and sketches traditionally because I don't have two screens to have posemaniacs and photoshop on. I just didn't understand why people make it look like the only true way is the traditional way, it sounded like elitist garbage so I got a angry. Again, had a bad day at the time. 

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thatweebo In reply to GregZhel [2016-12-12 02:02:46 +0000 UTC]

As someone who went to a trade school we were taught Traditional first here's the reason, there's a lot more techniques and how stuff like charcoal, led, oil, water color, pastel, chalk, etc. works. Learning different mediums is good because you get to know how it "feels" and "looks" if you're trying to aim for a digital look but aiming for it to look painted that's hard without that knowledge. Also if you can on paper and do all of those things on paper you learn how to do perspective and etc easier, that's why if you go to a Game Art course (doing this right now) you will have to take a life drawing that means no digital work at all. For me I always did traditional art (still do) and learning digital art is coming along fairly well but it's good to know how to do both because if you're going into the industry and you don't have actual sketches on pencil and all digital they'll only think you can do only one thing which some people think is dumb but think about it let's say you're in a meeting and you have to go over concept work and there is no tablet or computer insight only pencils and little sticky notes and if you can't do anything you'll be removed from the project.
Some people aren't going to take this lightly but that's just how it is I have a lot of classmates who complain about it and my professors actually get pretty mad at them for it. There's pro's and con's for both www.linkedin.com/pulse/2014092… check this out to see what I mean. 

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pin-was-here In reply to GregZhel [2016-12-06 00:20:38 +0000 UTC]

It doesn't, really. However, the transition from traditional to digital is easy. Vice versa is very difficult. Learning the traditional way will just make learning new styles and methods a little easier because you haven't grown used to the advantages that drawing digitally or that certain drawing programs may give you. 

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Riontich In reply to ??? [2016-11-23 05:25:59 +0000 UTC]

Hello, please show examples of work 3 chapters. Thank you for the material.

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GarranSays In reply to ??? [2016-11-22 10:41:22 +0000 UTC]

Ahhhh, this is amazing! I'm trying to get a better hang for anatomy.

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BluePawsteps246 In reply to ??? [2016-10-18 22:03:02 +0000 UTC]

This is very helpful! I am starting to branch off and draw humans instead of cats, dogs, ect, so this helps a lot! 

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ApertureRad In reply to ??? [2016-07-31 03:53:44 +0000 UTC]

This has already helped me with things like hands! Thanks so much :3

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QuakeBrothers In reply to ??? [2016-07-18 22:52:36 +0000 UTC]

i love this tutorial but i think it lacks soemthing: how to shade with pencil

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oniizu In reply to QuakeBrothers [2017-02-22 00:45:44 +0000 UTC]

darker shadows, press on the pencil slightly and build up the color/shade and smudge it (i do it with my finger tbh)
for lighter shadows, do the same thing but lighter


im not a pro but this is what i do lol

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QuakeBrothers In reply to oniizu [2017-02-25 01:07:31 +0000 UTC]

thanks, i will see what can i do

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Poturnip In reply to ??? [2016-05-21 20:42:09 +0000 UTC]

my friends at my highschool say i'm a perv because i draw 'naked bodies'
but it's art, for heaven's sake

i'm working on college apps for an art school, so i guess i might have a better experience

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ixiondbz In reply to Poturnip [2016-07-19 10:37:56 +0000 UTC]

Same here. They are taught at young age that anything Nude is Bad Immoral and Disgusting.

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Poturnip In reply to ixiondbz [2016-07-21 23:23:49 +0000 UTC]

I know, right?

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BlazingFireHeart In reply to Poturnip [2017-01-03 01:22:12 +0000 UTC]

I was carrying an anatomy book with me at school and my friend asked what I was reading. Once she saw through the pages she said really loudly "SHE'S GOT A BOOK OF PORN"  

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Luminarous In reply to Poturnip [2016-05-27 07:53:51 +0000 UTC]

! I wish you the best of luck~!

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Poturnip In reply to Luminarous [2016-05-28 23:07:40 +0000 UTC]

thank you

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midgetcutedragon In reply to ??? [2016-05-21 18:59:57 +0000 UTC]

.o. meh minds blown

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MidnightDarkness666 In reply to ??? [2016-05-21 04:57:30 +0000 UTC]

The thing is, I don't do nudity of real people, one of the many reasons I didn't do art at higher education levels. Put me in a room with a nude model and I'd try to claw my own eyes out, or crasp around for something to keep their dignity intact with. Yeah... Issues.

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MidnightDarkness666 In reply to MidnightDarkness666 [2017-03-04 17:59:08 +0000 UTC]

Oh and here's something for all you people insisting that studying nudes is THE only way to do things and that using reference pictures is bad (and especially those using this as an excuse to be a**hol- oh I'm sorry "being blunt and cold as ice... not sugar-coating") nexus.leagueoflegends.com/2017…

Here's a quote: "Yeah, and even before that, it was life. Renaissance painters would hire a bunch of models to stand exactly how they wanted, for hours on end, and then they’d literally just copy them. We definitely didn’t create a new technique here—it’s more like a bridge between traditional painting and the crazy, digital art we make today."

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charfade In reply to MidnightDarkness666 [2016-07-06 18:57:52 +0000 UTC]

Most collages will also offer clothed models live drawing classes if you ask for it.  Don't let nudity prevent you form looking into or attending live drawing classes. Studying from life will always be your number 1 best resource. 

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MidnightDarkness666 In reply to charfade [2016-07-06 20:10:12 +0000 UTC]

I didn't do art at GCSE level, or A level. I enquired at University for doing... something artsy but was turned down because of that. I knew the fact that I drew Anime wouldn't sit well with teachers at school so I didn't bother. I again tried for A level but the idiot teacher... well she bragged about how she likes to break her new students by forcing them to draw with charcoal the first few lessons and other such comfort zone breaking. That reaaaaaally isn't the way to advertise yourself, or teach someone with Autism, I practically ran out of the room. I'm happy and proud with the fact that I'm self taught.

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charfade In reply to MidnightDarkness666 [2016-07-09 20:51:31 +0000 UTC]

ya know... even anime artists draw from life too... its called studying... regardless of how you do it. 

Getting defensive about all that is only limiting yourself. Experiment with everything! Play and have fun! 

And btw... that teacher was on point. You should probably listen more. 

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HeartandVoice In reply to charfade [2016-08-04 16:56:57 +0000 UTC]

 Well said! Thank you!!!

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MidnightDarkness666 In reply to charfade [2016-07-10 10:41:12 +0000 UTC]

I have Autism, that isn't the way to teach me, it would have just lead to stress, arguments and possibly fits. Learning under that teacher, the way she proposed would have just been detrimental to my mental health and risk putting me off art althoughter.

I do study, I take pictures for reference, or find them on the internet and work from them.

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charfade In reply to MidnightDarkness666 [2016-07-10 11:55:35 +0000 UTC]

awww lemme give you the special snowflake award. *pats back* I dont care

people have all kinds of disabilities. Missing limbs, blindness, autism, name it... endless list really. Your not special. Matter fact your just like everyone else who has to struggle with something they have to deal with. 

Stop using excuses.  

Now I will concede that not every teacher is a good fit for a student. But you jumped to your disability as the reason. Not the teachers fault. Its your own. ANY teacher if you would have talked to them would have met with you and discussed your concerns. Instead you got argumentative and defensive about it.  That's not your disability talking that is you and your stubbornness. 

You come here and make a comment on someones post that is to help people. And my reply was a second suggestion to work around your concern about nude drawing and that there were options. OPTIONS. But you flagged it as offensive and started waving you disability flag. Congrats. Your every other pansy person that wants help but wont help themselves. 

Study from life. I can't tell you how many times that is more important the pictures or internet refs. Every art master I've ever talked to or study under uses it as the place to start. Its the one thing that they all agree on. So there is something to be said for it. 

Now, I'm sure your going to log this one under "F this, I'ma do what I want. " Honestly it makes no difference to me what so ever. But if you really want to get better that's the hard truth.   

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MidnightDarkness666 In reply to charfade [2016-07-10 17:47:33 +0000 UTC]

Wow, talk about jumping down my throat. Here we were having a polite conversation and you just started being nasty.

Let's ignore the snowflake comment, because that was just meant to be insulting.

You do not seem to recognise that every single disabled person has individual needs; Autism itself and all disabilities vary from person to person.

How is 'jump(ing) to your disability as the reason' as you put it not valid enough for you? Yes, I felt that because of my disability, it was a bad idea to take the course, given the teacher's lack of understanding. This is considering the problem of teachers not knowing how to teach or deal with students with Autism has grown so much, that in my country, the government have just made it so that everyone going through teacher training now has to learn about Autism, so as to better teach their pupils. Plus, this was six years ago, when I had just been diagnosed. Having a meeting to discuss my concerns wouldn't have been very productive because of MY lack of knowledge of my disability back then. Yet somehow, according to you, all that is my fault. Blaming someone for thinking of their mental health and well being, over a course isn't very nice, is it?

Also, the way that the teacher described her teaching methods and comfort zone breaking, with a sort of sadistic glee, made me feel uncomfortable. And where did this 'you got argumentative and defensive about it.' Come from? Did I at all indicate thats how my conversation went? I in fact politely declined applying for their course and left.

Indeed, I posted my comment looking for advice and our conversation originally was you giving me said advise. However, I tried to better explain the situation and share some of my experiences, but you reacted poorly. For some further clarification, here people go to school till 16, then can optionally go to college for two years, then go to University. The teacher was a college teacher. I was turned down for doing something to do with art (not nessarcerily a course) at University because I didn't have the qualifications. I studided creative writing at University and have now finished. The option you presented me, isn't one I can take, because I am not in education anymore. Even if there were any hobby clubs or lessons with live drawing classes I could go to locally, I proberly wouldn't be able to afford them.

What do you mean 'flagged it as offensive'? If you think I reported your comment, I didn't. Plus, I thought one could only report comments for being spam on Deviantart, or at least that's what it says on the page right now.

Waving my disability flag? I brought it up because it was relevant, though based on your earlier points I take it you don't believe that. Also you're implying I waved it in your face, I brought it up twice. Once because of its relevance, twice because I thought it needed reiterating, or you had missed it the first time.

'Pansy' is a homophobic slur

There really is no need to get nasty just because of exceptions to your blanket statement, that must apply to everyone apparently.

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MysteriousShadow5599 In reply to MidnightDarkness666 [2017-01-02 06:29:45 +0000 UTC]

The point that Charfade is trying to make is that you're disability doesn't have anything to do with your progression. I've been scanning through all your messages in this little conversation and I understand disability because I have have "issues" as well. It's an ongoing battle to draw, but I keep at at because I love creating stories and characters especially manga and anime people. Like many people, I wanted to become a manga artist and was quicker shot down by my parents who want me to get a job with more security. I get all of that, but what it seems like to all of us is that your progression has been stunted by your own ignorance and inability to face your disability head on.

You keep going on and on about your autism when you have people with no hands and eyes that still draw. I provide this evidence with restraint because I don't know your mental or physical state. What I do think is that your angry that people don't understand your connection to life, but you must know that every artist for the most part studies some degree of the basic fundamentals: Anatomy, Perspective, Proportions, Form and Construction, without these tools you will never progress and If you do there's a really big chance of it coming back to bite you in the but later. Drawing from photos is very dangerous because their supposed to be used for reference, drawing from life is that the old master used to do and it's a very big issue today because so many people reply on photos (including me). Avoiding the issue by complaining about your issues is helping nobody. You're avoiding and deflecting by continuing to bring up your disability is not helping you at all. I have a more mental issues than you and you don't see me lecturing everybody for my previous experience. 

Charfade wasn't being nasty, he was being blunt and cold as ice, he was not sugar-coating his words like many other do. Your so stubborn that you've brain-washed yourself into believing you can't do it and your not even willing to give it a shot because of what might happen. Let me tell you something, I've got more mental issues than you will ever have and drawing is hell for me, but I keep trying. I cry, scream, fuss and even give up sometime, I take some time off to re-group and I try again. What's your excuse?

"Autism - A serious developmental disorder that impairs the ability to communicate and interact."

What does this have to do with sitting in a room and drawing nude people or life in general, if your mental state is at that level why aren't you involved in some kind of treatment program? I did a little bit of research and you've got medication, therapies and specialists that can help you work through your disorder so why are you making all these excuses? Don't sit here and play the victim acting like everybody is so mean and nasty just because we see you as a person and not as a helpless soul that shouldn't be pushed because of your disability.

Charfade was only trying to push you, but you've just given up. You want to justify why you can't do this and do that, this really triggers me. If you can't even put forth any effort, you might want to pick a different hobby. Get some serious help because them denial issues are really getting in the way of your life and are just really annoying. You're so messed up in the head you need to start over after you start over, jeez... I need a Canada Dry over this bullsh#it .

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MidnightDarkness666 In reply to MysteriousShadow5599 [2017-01-14 01:46:13 +0000 UTC]

Hello, how nice to see after half a year this is still getting people riled up.

Now, I've done more than you have and read all your comments, even the ones you chipped in to other users rather than just "scanned" them.

Its quite clear from your statements that by your own admission you have some kind of mental condition. Let me start by saying this isn't funny, I'm very sorry that you suffer so and I hope that you receive whatever help and support you need and that I think its wonderful that you're self motivated, but now comes my actual issues with what you said.

You give the impression, and I don't know whether this is deliberate or not; that all disabilities or "issues" as you poorly refer to them can be lumped together and quantitatively compared; I quote "...I've got more mental issues than you will ever have..." In fact you mention that more than once. I'm afraid this opinion of yours equally needs an application of Canada Dry. Another example is you ludicrously lumping all disabilities, whether mental or physical when you compare people with missing limbs and eyes with people who have mental disabilities. I'm curious whether you'd be comfortable going to an amputee and saying "I've got way more... disableds than you will ever have."

The next statement of yours I have an issue with is your confusing of my issues (by the way, unlike you I'm using the word in the correct sense, as to not apply to my disability) with live nudity with the way my Autism exasperates my reaction to things I have issues with. Clearly though you are an expert on Autism as proven by your ability to paste google definitions. Your paragraph below that definition is just again you not understanding the effect someone's disability can have on the other aspects of their life. I also don't think that qualifies you to invent a previously non existent medication.

The final thing I have a problem with... or for now anyway... Is you seem to believe that I think everybody is so "mean and nasty" when in fact there is currently one person being mean and nasty and that is YOU. Of course you probably just think you're "...being blunt and cold as ice..." and "...not sugar-coating..." and I bet that makes you feel better... I hope it does.

Again I'm genuinely sorry that you're struggling with a mental condition (you are not diseased or disordered) but its not going to help you, or me, or anyone else for you to go around proclaiming other people are "...so messed up in the head..." and so on when you should really consider whether you are projecting. Frankly it makes you come across as a hypocritical "whiner" and a "brat" to use you're own eloquent words.

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MidnightDarkness666 In reply to MysteriousShadow5599 [2017-01-07 20:15:28 +0000 UTC]

Or you can all just leave me alone. I wrote that comment a year ago just leave me alone

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MysteriousShadow5599 In reply to MidnightDarkness666 [2017-01-13 20:30:07 +0000 UTC]

Nah, your too much a whiner and in serious denial, I just got diagnosed with a serious and treatable mental disease (not fatal) I was bedridden and I still was able to draw something. You want to be left alone, OK
keep being a immature brat that uses her issues whenever life gets tough, Boo-Hoo you, fuck outta here

I't 

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Itsukarine In reply to MidnightDarkness666 [2016-08-07 01:37:03 +0000 UTC]

I really can't grasp what could make nudity bad to you besides some conditioning as a child from prudes; aside from that, we all feel stress when we're learning because drawing is masochistic as hell. If you take it serious enough to post more than one thing a year, it's worth trying to break the mold you've created for yourself because you only hinder growth by restraining new experiences and not challenging yourself. If you can't do that, art will probably never be for you.

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MysteriousShadow5599 In reply to Itsukarine [2017-01-02 16:40:12 +0000 UTC]

Their making excuses to avoid the issues they're having with their art. They want to blame someone or something because as long as they can blame something they don't have to take responsibility for their own actions and issues. Denial, avoidance, and deflecting is his/her best tool to use against someone who is trying to help her/him.

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MidnightDarkness666 In reply to Itsukarine [2016-09-21 20:40:26 +0000 UTC]

My problem with nudity stems from the opposite of what you said. That said I don't have a problem with nudity if its a cartoon image or 3d model, just real people. I've been learning how to do digital art, but as for the content of my art, I try more ambitious things and new targets with each piece. Lately though all I've been doing is making vector logos in inkscape for my husband

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charfade In reply to MidnightDarkness666 [2016-07-10 19:08:41 +0000 UTC]

I didn't know Pansy is a homophobic slur. For that I apologize. And I learned something. After reading on it more guess kids have found a new meaning. *sigh*

Also, I come across so strongly about the disabilities thing because I as well have one. What it is, its irrelevant. What I do know is I'm tired of people using disabilities in conversation as a crutch. I'm tired of people playing victims and using it as an excuse. Yeah there are things you can't control, every person is different and what things we over come aren't the same. But what I'm really getting at is be the advocate to your peers and be a source of encouragement. Jumping to excuses and finding a reason to justify why you "can't" instead of "can" frustrates me. There are always possibilities and options. Though sometimes you do have to get creative about it.  

I want to share with you this video, from a one handed speed runner on twitch named halfcoordinated. He's a source of insparation to many, and what he says can be applied to anyone with an disablitiy   youtu.be/JXtUwIW7cL8?t=35m12s

I will honestly say I hear the " Oh I have..." enter some disability", I can't " way to much and I lumped you in that group of people. I offered my feedback and I honestly felt it was ignored. I felt it was rude.  In fact I tired to ignored your Autism comment at first because I wanted to stay on topic rather then be dragged into a personal emotional quarrel. 

Back to being on topic.  I'm sry If I caused you any anxiety or horribly offended you. Studying correctly is important to me because there is a lot of information out there that is being tossed about that isn't correct. And I too have struggled trying to get better and  learn as much as I possibly can. What I have learned in my 30+ years of art and constantly practicing is life drawing will always be the thing you will improve the most on. I will say there is something to be said about studying photos and animations/movies... really what ever point of reference you find that works is important too.  Try to mix it up constantly.  But always go back to that life drawing. And you dont need to have money for it... you can study anywhere and anyplace.

Good luck to you

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MysteriousShadow5599 In reply to charfade [2017-01-02 06:33:41 +0000 UTC]

Really liked your comment, I know you were only trying to help and it frustrates me too, how some people will just make all kinds of excuses to distract themselves from reality, I suffer from mental issues as well, but I can't see myself just giving up and acting all helpless like MidnightDarkness. Its like MidnightDarkness's denial has manifested itself into enhanced denial and aggression with tons and tons of justifications and bullshit...makes me wanna vomit. 

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charfade In reply to MysteriousShadow5599 [2017-01-03 22:01:41 +0000 UTC]

cheers. I truly hope that MidnightDarkness lets go, movies on.  The psychological crutch of using a mental illness is just something I think people either grow out of or not. 

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StettafireZero In reply to charfade [2018-05-07 19:58:44 +0000 UTC]

Yes, I agree. I have asberges and I know a lot of people with autism. Some of them are awesome people who have done great things with their lives and others just use their condition as an excuse to (and I'm sorry to say this) be horrible people who blame society for everything wrong with their lives while making no effort to make things better.

Part of my condition is that I can't deal with stress. It impacts different people differently, but if someone yells in my face I'm likely to faint. One day I was faced with a girl who does not manage her condition and has anger management problems. I was working with her on an assignment, we were talking and she misunderstood something and started yelling because no one was listening to her (we were currently talking about a different topic and she just kept repeating the same phrase over and over that wasn't even relevant to the discussion at hand). To me, her anger came out of a clear blue sky, and I didn't understand where it came from until later. I sat there for a few minutes before I just had to leave. Once I was gone, apparently, she said 'Well I'm the one with the disability!' A friend of mine then tried to explain to her that everyone has issues. We tried explaining to her many times, that while we knew she was stressed, that did not give her to right to jump down people's throats. The message never got through, though.

It's a shame because it can't be a nice life for her, living like that. It is hard dealing with mental health issues, I know, but there is a lot of help out there, but you need an open mind. And you need to be ready to say when you might need to change.

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MysteriousShadow5599 In reply to charfade [2017-01-13 20:30:36 +0000 UTC]

She's like every other wannabe there's always some excuse

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0Rebbles0Creations0 In reply to ??? [2016-05-21 03:57:59 +0000 UTC]

So useful! This will really help me alot! 👌👌

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