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shadowbreaker777 In reply to ??? [2011-06-03 00:15:06 +0000 UTC]

I think I love you.

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NJURE In reply to ??? [2011-06-02 23:55:18 +0000 UTC]

I agree, eating wild meat doesn't feel as bad, though I think giving up meat all together is the best alternative.

But all the hunters I know, and I know some, do it mostly because they enjoy it. I think that's an unhealthy joy. Not so much because they enjoy death, because I don't think they do (well there are exceptions), but because it indicates that they don't compleetly understand that they are killing living creatures, individuals - and if they do, then they don't care that they kill. It's sad.
I'm not saying all hunters are like that, but all the ones I know.
Still, industrial meat is far far worse.

But I guess each and everyone has to decide what feels right for them. And that's okay.

Hunting predators is a different story though. Because you usually don't eat the meat of predatorial mamals. They say it's for the grater good, but naaah... I find that hard to believe. People in general don't do things for the greater good.

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Lupen202 In reply to NJURE [2011-06-03 00:26:28 +0000 UTC]

Yes, being a vegetarian or vegan technically is the most humane way and is better than eating any meat at all - BUT, we are in fact omnivores, and it's just part of nature for us to eat meat as well as veggies or herbs. If we were meant to be herbivores we would have flat teeth like a horse for example, and not the sharp canines and incisors. Besides, its been proven that it isn't that healthy for us to just eat vegetables. We need the protein and such from meat to live long, healthy lives. Not saying that some people can't live off of just veggies, but it isn't ideal and a lot of people really can't stay on that kind of diet. I know someone whos doctor told them they had to eat meat whether they liked it or not, because she just wasn't healthy due to not eating meat.

And it is true that, sadly, a lot of huntings do it just for fun. But even some of those that do it just for fun use everything - the meat, fur/hide (taxidermy, clothing), and even the bones at times. I've seen some amazing things used from bones - from carvings to rouge taxidermy (Look up the Hellhound taxidermy mount on here for an example), to beautiful knives, and then of course for various Native American objects like dream catchers and so on. The only hunters I can't stand at all are the hunters who are just hunting for the kill that leave them there, or just kill for their hide so they can mount their trophy. Obviously, if you just look at my gallery, I'm all for taxidermy and such, but I don't think it's right to kill an animal just to taxidermy it. At least eat the meat and clean the bones to sell if you can't use them yourself.

About the hunting predatory animals - it is for the greater good in some cases. Population control for example. If theres wayyy too many wolves or coyotes, not only are people, mainly children in danger due to them coming closer to civilizations, their prey species will suffer too. Elk and deer will be hunted too much if there are way to many wolves or coyotes around, or even the smaller mammals like rabbits could be in danger, as many as there are, if they're continually hunted on a daily basis.

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NJURE In reply to Lupen202 [2011-06-03 14:35:45 +0000 UTC]

Well... I guess you're right at some points.
But we don't eat what we're supposed to in several other cases. We eat way too much sugar for example, and that isn't healthy either - still we do it. I can't ask of people to stop eating meat, because it's their business no matter what my opinion is, but it can't hurt anyone to decrease their meat-eating.

Anyways, I don't know how the hunting situation is where you live, or any other place but where I live.
Recently someone wanted to vote wether we should have wolves in Sweden or not (we do at the moment have them). I think that's just stupid, really. But here's the really freaky part: Someone else then said something like "No, they are staying, because I want to hunt them. It's my right as a man." I mean, what is that?

Taxidermy.... I can't say I fully aprove, but mostly because I think it's freaky. On the other hand, I guess that's better than throwing the hides away.
I have some relative who makes taxidermy-thingies.
Using the whole animal is the most respectful thing to do so, yeah.
The problem is that some hunt for hides, so they can sell it, and they don't care what they kill.

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Lupen202 In reply to NJURE [2011-06-04 00:09:05 +0000 UTC]

Sorry but I don't have much time to reply right now - so I'll just reply to the taxidermy bit..

I used to think it was kind of creepy too, or gross would be more appropriate. When I was really little, I thought that they were just freeze-dried, or something similar, and that their organs and such were still in them.. so that might've had something to do with it lol. I have always kind of liked furs and taxidermy though, I loved going to museums to see the taxidermied animals. But I never would own one myself.

Then I educated myself a bit more, looked up some gorgeous mounts... it just doesn't seem so gross anymore. At all. And now I practice taxidermy myself a bit. All that taxidermy is, is leather mounted over a foam base with some glass eyes. I don't look at a leather couch and think it's gross... so how come taxidermy is gross? Because it has eyes and looks like the actual animal that the hide was taken from? Good example of how amazing and beautiful taxidermy is: [link]

I can't blame people for thinking taxidermy is gross though after seeing some mounts out there. Some just give taxidermy and the like such a bad name.

As for people hunting just for the hide - that's the only thing I don't like about taxidermists either. But there are a lot of taxidermists that buy their furs from people who hadn't killed them for the purpose of taxidermy. So in some, or most cases taxidermy doesn't have to do with the killing of the animals at all. Like myself - I buy them from sites like hideandfur.com, sense I personally don't think I could actually kill an animal. Besides, a hide being used for taxidermy is a lot better than it being used for gloves, jackets, hats, and the like, or just throwing it away like you said.

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HoneyspydeR In reply to Lupen202 [2011-10-11 22:26:01 +0000 UTC]

i absolutely hate the waste of fur, and thats why taxidermy at least saves the essence of that animal its especially nice when they use hunting by-product fur to make the mounts, as it definitely minimizes the amount of wasted parts. like for example, nearby they have a taxidermy store where they do all their own work, and they sell EVERYTHING that they take out or dont use (or break off lol). like all the claws, bones, talons, feathers, fur, teeth, etc. most of its made into jewelry or show pieces as well, making them more desirable while utilizing all of an animals parts.

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Briel74 In reply to ??? [2011-06-02 23:43:16 +0000 UTC]

ye ,as I said earlier, a lots of animals "already" die for fill our bellies and yet some peoples think that it's not enough, so instead of practicing some other hobby or "sport" less cruel they prefer go hunting and killing even more animals, and the fact that animals suffer in the industrial farms is not a justification to approve the hunt.It would be much better to try to improve their living conditions and sabotage the farms that abuse animals.
And if people don't really need to hunt why they do it , if not for fun?
c'mon ,let's not be hypocrites....

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LiquidLifeEternal In reply to Briel74 [2011-06-05 01:19:58 +0000 UTC]

Briel74, I think you need to take a step back and look at your argument for a minute. One minute you are saying you oppose all hunters and then the next you are saying you don't like the ones who call it 'sport.' Personally, I think hunters get a very bad reputation from movies of poachers and things. These people are bad, yes, because the broke the law.

Real hunters can be your average every day people who might need to save the extra dollar for something else. Often one deer can last for half a year depending on how it is prepared. Good hunters who abide by the law and are hunting for food rather than trophies should not be scorned. My great grand mother used to not be able to eat the deer she'd kill on the day she killed it because she felt bad for the lost life. However, putting things in perspective, it would have been killed by wolves or cougars later on in it's life. It's the food chain and there is nothing unatural about it.

If more people hunted for food it would free up space that animal farms used to occupy and a good portion of the threatened species would recover well due to more living space.

Everyone has their views. And if you respect them rather than scorn them, you will be recieved much better and not be putting yourself in this situation where you are desperatly trying to defend a rather one sided and a bit unhealthy viewpoint.

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Briel74 In reply to LiquidLifeEternal [2011-06-05 12:36:00 +0000 UTC]

me I'm not "desperataly" trying to defend my point of view , I believe in what I' ve said and I don't take it back, be sure of it.
I don't like peoples who kill animals when it's not enough, and for me the most of the times that hunters do it it's not enough..
Surely after they have killed an animal they eat it (otherwise it would be even worst)but me I think that when u have already a lots of meat that u can find everywhere (even deers, wildboars and so on)
u don't need to kill others ones .. well u need it , if for u it's something so funny and don't say to me they do it because they need it.. or because is a matter of money:cartridges, rifles, hunting license, etc. etc, are not free.
I don't need to watch a movie or stupidities like that for have an opinion about hunters, I know some hunters and I'm not saying they're criminals or things like that, the most of the time they are normal people who practice a " sport", an "hobby" (call it as u want) that I do not agree.
I hope my point of view now is pretty clear.

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LiquidLifeEternal In reply to Briel74 [2011-06-05 21:10:51 +0000 UTC]

Yes it is and I understand your point of view. My opinion is that is it another way to connect and be out with nature. Some enjoy going back to those ancient roots I think. I think, however, if your original comment hadn't been along the lines of "Hunters are horrible!" (however it was worded) You wouldn't be having the frustration of answering all these comments.

Your opinion is understandable just like some would balk at eating dogs where as some people love it. (poor things :sad: ) Personally, I'd try hunting just to experience something new before I decided whether I liked it or not (no I'm not suggesting that you should just giving my point of view).

Thank you for making it much clearer and, just on a side note, it was a little hard to understand and follow some of your grammar. This might also contribute to the amount of confusion over your comments or maybe it's just me.

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Briel74 In reply to LiquidLifeEternal [2011-06-07 15:09:18 +0000 UTC]

yes, u are right, my english is not so good and some times is a problem when I want to explain my point of view, and when I go a bit angry about something it's even worst. I've read the last reply I gave to u and I can see that it was full of mistakes (for example I used "enough " when it was not necessary)I apologize for it. But ,as for me, I would never try the hunting and I think there are different ways to connect and be out with nature apart from the hunting. But , again, this one is just my point of view.

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LiquidLifeEternal In reply to Briel74 [2011-06-12 22:52:51 +0000 UTC]

I agree with the different ways to connect and hunting would be the last ways I'd want to do it but I'm not afraid to try. We're all different I guess.

My main advice is if you get angry at something... be specific. I think a lot of trouble would have been avoided if you said those hunters are mean or identified which hunters you were talking about.

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Lupen202 In reply to Briel74 [2011-06-03 00:10:00 +0000 UTC]

The only one being a hypocrite is you, really. Getting mad at hunters for killing animals yet you're supporting the killing of animals so you can have a burger or chicken breast from the store. The only ones that can really complain are vegetarians. But even then...

Anyways, as I already said - hunting is a much better way to get your meat. So what if there are animals already killed for food. Why buy from stores and support those places? Why eat meat that was taken from an animal painfully killed? Why not hunt and feel proud of yourself for killing the animal instantly and *usually* painlessly? Not to mention there are people who do live far enough away from supermarkets that they can't buy their meat.

So besides hunting for fun there is hunting for food and for the fur. Eat the meat, sell the fur or taxidermy it then sell the mount, and even the bones can be sold so you can have enough money to support your family if there isn't another way to make money. I've talked to quite a few people who live this lifestyle, and do enjoy it. Not having to depend on a cruel, inhumane place to get your food sounds nice to me.

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Briel74 In reply to Lupen202 [2011-06-03 00:43:27 +0000 UTC]

I didn't wanna be rude but I replied to a lots of peoples for say everytime the same thing.
Like I said to the girl or guy before, not all the peoples are able to kill animals, me I am not, and not all the peoples have a forest behind their door, so as u can see, your proposal to hunt animal for have food in ur dish it's an utopia (hope the word is correct 'cause me i'm italian and my english is not really good)
it would be much better try to improve their living conditions in the farms, trying to let the animal live outdoors, giving them good food and treating them in the better way possible, I dunno how the things work in the rest of the world but here in Italy, our laws provide that the animal has to die without suffering, even if for me it's not enough yet. I don't blame all the peoples who hunt, some really need it, but the most peoples I know that hunt, they do it just because they enjoy it, for them kill an animal or play a soccer match it's the same. For me it's a shame, but it's my personal opinion.

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Lupen202 In reply to Briel74 [2011-06-03 01:59:09 +0000 UTC]

I know, I do understand that, that some people can't actually hunt themselves... I actually haven't killed a single animal my entire life, despite being pro-hunting, and I don't think I ever would be able to, not anytime soon anyways. And I also understand that some people don't have a forest nearby; I live by the beach, and all that's nearby is some fish, whales and dolphins... and the birds. But if more people turned to hunting as their source of food, and stopped supplying the farms, eventually there'd be more and more stores around that have their food imported from hunters around the country instead of imported from industrial farms. It'd take time to get to that point but it is possible, of course.

And I also understand that it'd be better to improve the living conditions in farms... but that'd take a lot of money to buy better food, construct better enclosures and such, and sadly, sense a lot of people in those farms don't give a crap about their animals, I doubt they'd waste money on improving the conditions. Especially when the whole point of killing them is to make money. Not make the money then waste it on the animals that they are raising to kill just for even more money, if that makes sense.

Killing for fun or sport is horrible. I do agree with you there... but all I ask, is that you don't hate every single hunter or trapper out there because of a few irresponsible idiotic hunters. A lot of hunters, even those that do have fun hunting and killing animals, use everything. The hide/fur for taxidermy, clothing, or blankets, the meat for food or to feed to their pets (a lot of pets really do have raw diets, much healthier), or sell to other people, and even the bones are used sometimes. Just look up some carved skulls or bones, they're absolutely gorgeous... and the detail put into some of them is astounding.

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Briel74 In reply to Lupen202 [2011-06-03 00:22:38 +0000 UTC]

ok u know what?
I'm tired to talk to someone who don't really read what I write, 'cause if u had done you would have not written all these things.
me I don't like peoples that hunt for sport and I say it, after if u think that I'm hipocrite for it, well it's your problem.
I will not change my opinion so I think we can close here this conversation.

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Lupen202 In reply to Briel74 [2011-06-03 00:28:39 +0000 UTC]

I am reading what you write. But I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying.

There will always be people eating meat. We're omnivores, not everyone can live a vegan diet. And yes, even more animals will be killed if people are hunting and having them killed on industrial farms but why not have meat that you don't have to feel guilty eating? I just don't get what you're trying to say.

No need to be rude.

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OrbitingSaturn In reply to Briel74 [2011-06-02 23:48:21 +0000 UTC]

Actually -- If more people hunted responsibly, for their food and raised their own livestock, there would be less of a market for factory farmed meats. Eventually, due to lower numbers of sales, production would lower. Gradually, as people came to rely on local meat sources again, it could actually put factory farming in the US out of business.

Also -- Hunted and local farmed meat are more healthy. It has less fat, more nutrition, less disease and hormones, and eating meat when it is that fresh means less chances of contamination.

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Briel74 In reply to OrbitingSaturn [2011-06-02 23:58:49 +0000 UTC]

Actually not all peoples are able to kill animals, will u be able to kill a cow or a pig? well, good for u, me I'm not, like many other peoples I suppose. And we can try to improve their living conditions in the farms instead to buy everybody a bow.
And I was not thinking to the fat, the hormones and other stuff like that.. I was talking about the hunt and the fact that I don't like peoples who call the hunt a "sport". After if u are agree with them, well I think we don't have nothing to talk about.
Me I have my opinion and I will not change it, like u have your opinion and I think u will not change it.

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CaptainJacksLuv In reply to ??? [2011-06-02 23:18:36 +0000 UTC]

Hey, you know, that person could maybe not have money to buy food at the supermarket!

Just cuz they hunt doesn't mean they think its funny or they enjoy death. I know there are some sick people that are like that but not all of them!

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Briel74 In reply to CaptainJacksLuv [2011-06-02 23:28:17 +0000 UTC]

=_=

how many people do u know that hunt because they can't buy meat?
me nobody.
and in fact I said that I can understand old native and our ancestors (like I can understand all the tribes that still live in the forests and peoples like that) that hunt because they need and not for fun.
the others, as for me, just suck and that's all.

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Samantha-Lynn-Scott In reply to Briel74 [2011-08-07 22:26:21 +0000 UTC]

Sorry for replying on an old comment by you but I have a recomendation...

Please watch the documentary "food Inc." It might make you change your mind about hunting. Factory farms are crueler than hunting.

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Briel74 In reply to Samantha-Lynn-Scott [2011-08-09 20:31:56 +0000 UTC]

I know that factory are cruel, I have never said otherwise, in fact if u read all my comments I said that it would be something good to improve the conditions of life of the animal in the farms, instead to go everybody to hunt...
All the peoples I know who hunt, make it because they find it funny and consider it a "sport", sorry but me I don't believe that if u can avoid to kill an animal, when u do it is for something other than fun. Maybe because for me it would be impossible to kill another life. Me I don't like and don't approve of hunting,but it's my opinion.
After don't think that I close my eyes in front of what happens in the farms, 'cause I know it's a shame. But I don't wanna think that the better solution to solve this problem is the hunt.


recommendation?? O_o

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Samantha-Lynn-Scott In reply to Briel74 [2011-08-09 21:16:54 +0000 UTC]

Sorry I realized that tons of other people made my point after I commented. I was recommending you that documentary because I thought you didn't know about factory farms and such.

It's still a good documentary, check it out sometime.

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Briel74 In reply to Samantha-Lynn-Scott [2011-08-09 21:21:03 +0000 UTC]

ok thanks for let me know it ^^

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a-yellow-bird In reply to Briel74 [2011-06-02 23:40:19 +0000 UTC]

Believe it or not, the world is more than a collection of first world nations. And there are very poor parts of the US, like in Virginia and West Virginia, where people hunt to survive.

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Briel74 In reply to a-yellow-bird [2011-06-02 23:45:37 +0000 UTC]

and me I AS I ALREADY SAID, I can understand those peoples, I'm just talking about those peoples that hunt for fun calling it sport, I hope it's clear now.

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a-yellow-bird In reply to Briel74 [2011-06-04 01:55:24 +0000 UTC]

Well, you asked if anyone actually knew people who did, and... well, I do.

I'm sorry if I came off as a bit of a jerk.

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CaptainJacksLuv In reply to Briel74 [2011-06-02 23:32:55 +0000 UTC]

I was only stating a possibility...

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Briel74 In reply to CaptainJacksLuv [2011-06-02 23:46:28 +0000 UTC]

yep I know.

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RougeCerberus In reply to ??? [2011-06-02 22:56:52 +0000 UTC]

i hate it when people hunt for sport, for the fun of it. But im not against hunting if you use what you catch, and try to kill the animal fast, minimal suffering.

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ummali In reply to RougeCerberus [2011-06-03 15:14:38 +0000 UTC]

you're right!

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RougeCerberus In reply to ummali [2011-06-03 22:08:38 +0000 UTC]

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shadowbreaker777 In reply to RougeCerberus [2011-06-02 23:53:02 +0000 UTC]

I absolutely agree. I use every part of the animal. Bones, claws, and antlers/horns are kept in memory of the animal, and are made into jewelery sometimes, hides/pelts are used as blankets, clothes, or other things, meat is eaten, and innards are burned.

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GodOvThunder In reply to shadowbreaker777 [2011-06-03 04:37:37 +0000 UTC]

I don't mean to criticize but I find it interesting that you agree with ~Darkdragonheart about minimalizing an animal's pain when hunting, yet you say you use a bow, which when used can result in you having to track the said animal for HOURS.. and I'm pretty sure they are hurting during those hours. That is, unless you be pulling off head and heart shots like it's nobodies business.. just sayin' >.>

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shadowbreaker777 In reply to GodOvThunder [2011-06-03 04:42:00 +0000 UTC]

Heart and lung shots. I learned from the best. I tend to stay away from head-shots as to not damage the skull.
I believe that if you can't down the animal in one shot, you should either give up, or go back to the practice range and get better.
I don't like guns because they are too loud, and bows give the animal a longer chance to sense/smell/hear me and get away.

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1980sbully In reply to ??? [2011-06-01 23:06:24 +0000 UTC]

Awww poor baby

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vicvictip In reply to ??? [2011-06-01 23:06:15 +0000 UTC]

Awesome picture!
I just love the colors, the name is really good too

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The-WaxBadger In reply to ??? [2011-06-01 23:05:47 +0000 UTC]

Awww, poor baby,

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x-xSpitFirex-x In reply to ??? [2011-06-01 23:05:26 +0000 UTC]

poor darling

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raccoonmatinginyour In reply to ??? [2011-06-01 23:05:19 +0000 UTC]

I'm sure they are very happy to have a nice home now and not have to worry about mean hunters

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Nookslider In reply to ??? [2011-06-01 23:05:05 +0000 UTC]

Poor little guy. At least he's safe and sound and being cared after.

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charmers22 In reply to ??? [2011-06-01 23:03:46 +0000 UTC]

I saw a stray dog like this once. I fed him part of my taco. He was very friendly.

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ZixaxiZ In reply to charmers22 [2011-06-02 01:42:26 +0000 UTC]

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charmers22 In reply to ZixaxiZ [2011-06-02 01:43:44 +0000 UTC]

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kakashisgirlfighter In reply to ??? [2011-06-01 23:03:25 +0000 UTC]

poor thing, at least it safe now.

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