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The Riddler appearing as he did once before but with a very big difference in what he is now.Shortly before his death to a neurological disease, Riddler found out a way to download his mind and personality onto a microchip so Gotham would always have a Riddler. He put it in a Wonder City robot and what happened to him after that was unknown but decades later, the Riddler showed up looking like he hasn't aged at all. When the new Batman went to face off against this returned foe, he found out that Riddler's appearance was hologram based, but it was the genuine person, only now he's an Infiltration Zeta Unit Synthoid. Not only is his mind as sharp as ever, Riddler now has the robotic strength, skill, and weapons to now make him a deadlier threat to Batman.
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It's an early career thing 
And thanks
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Sounds plausible. I can imagine that most of the newly formed league might want to work with the government/Cadmus because they think it might make things easier for themselves so they aren't perceived as vigilantes and having the government on their side could be a benefit.
I could help with that if you want.
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Thanks XP
Snd honestly, Batman only has free range in Gotham because he's given the ok by the GCPD. They do got the bat signal, so that badically makes Batman a cop-for-hire that works for free. CADMUS and the league gives him more international freedoms. Before, he had to be VERY stealthy to not get into any legal problems. And that's on,y cause he's Wildcat's student.
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You're welcome.
Batman has never struck me as the type of hero to care about whether the GCPD will let him do anything or anything having to do with legality. Plus I think he might be the most suspicious of Cadmus and anything they might want to use the league for. Liking that bit about being Wildcat's student. I imagine that he would be one of the first people that a younger Bruce turned to, to learn how to fight.
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Actually...he came to Wildcat when he started his suepr hero career. SINCE me and a friend of mine went to a sort of Nolan-esque route with him first joining the League of Shadows...NOT originally knowingt hey were an assassin's guild but soon began to learn hte darker side as he got older. ;;
WHICH results him defecting and going back home, but not before going toe to toe with a certain hispanic assassin prior to his uprade...and when he started his vigilantee career, he met Wildcat and the older hero took him under his wing
But the thing with GCPD? It's because he wants to be seen as a fear to CRIMINALS...so I think he'd want to have the honest cop's good side, so I think keeping to mostly legal ways-aka having the okay from the Commisioner and even some authority over the police given to him by said Commisioner-helps his job out a LOT. It gets rid of a lot of minor annoyances.
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I don't know, after training with assassins, what need is there to learn fighting from anyone else ? I mean it kinda makes more sense that he might of learned fighting from Wildcat while on his way to eventually learning from the League.
I do see Batman working in some way with the cops and having authority over them ? It looks like this version is heading down the same way the current Batman/BatMech is at.
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Actually...here's the thing: Batman learned to fight like an assassin, not as a crime fighter. Plus he was always too angry and overly violent in his early career (his EArly career is based on Frank Miller's Year one comic
Wildcat taught him self control and how to hold back his punches, as years of boxing can help with tha.
Zatara taught him how to be a great escape artist and taught him on how to understand the arcane arts as aw ay to go around it.
Alan Scott and Jay Garrick helped teach him how to deal with super powered individuals with various powers and abilities, thus how he is able to go toe to toe with many super powered foes as his early career was mostly mobsters. Heck, Jay helped his reflexes out a lot by using his super speed.
Blue Beetle I taught him how to make a lot of his gadgets and how to personalize his appearance.
Hourman taught him how to be a great detective and showed him the ropes on how to be analytical in crime fighting than what Bruce learned in the past.
and Dinah Lance (Black Canry II) and Zatanna were fellow students at this time, so they helped him with sparing.
and I Gotcha there
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Hmmm, ok. When you put it like that it's good that Batman seeks to learn other fighting styles to be a better hero.
I get what you're going for with aspects of Batman coming from the help of other heroes, but I think that might diminish Batman as a self made hero. Everything about him as a hero (besides his fight training) was because of his intelligence and his use of his company to create his suit, equipment, and vehicles. I think it's good to have the Wildcat and Zatara part and having him learn beside Black Canary and Zatanna to better himself. But Batman has always used his own smarts to take on metahumans and plus Alan and Jay can only teach how to take on Lanterns and Speedsters. I think Hourman could be a good source of Batman's detective skills but when It comes to Blue Beetle, I think getting his gadgets and personalized look goes back to the point I made of that probably diminishing his character.
Ah, ok.
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I gotcha there ;;; Maybe Beetle teaches him engineering and, well...I'm thinking the first BLue Beetle wouldn't have AS many personalized gadgets since he would have instant-weapons via his Scarab
After all, Batman WOULD need to elarn how to make a lot of the first gadgets he has before Lucious gets involved ;;;
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The teaching engineering part sounds good. But, if Ted Kord has the scarab attached to him then
1) Why would he ever need to develop gadgets like what was stated at the end with him being inspired by Batman ?
2) Would Jaime Reyes ever get the scarab if it's on Ted ?
So does Batman have some early prototype gadgets and then when Lucius is brought in, he finely tunes and upgrades the gadgets and weapons ?
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IT's not Ted ;; It's the man before him, Dan Garret. Different guy entirely.
And Ted is his predecessor as well, as Jaime is a student until a big event that leads to Ted's demise (I want to show is character a bit before he dies ;; )
And yeah, he does have prototypes (throwing blades for Batarangs instead of hte high tech ones, a simple grappling hook that he throws, mostly parkour-based when he's not in his car). Lucius gives him the more fun toys.
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Oh, ok. Every time I hear about the first Blue Beetle in any cartoon and some comics, it's always Ted Kord. That's why I misunderstood,
Do you mean successor or does the Blue Beetle line go from Ted first then to Dan ?
Ok, sounds like a solid idea.
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I mean successor as Dan is first, then Ted, and finally Jaime. I miswrote
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Ok, I figured that was the case.
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Though Ted goes out big, so Jaime has two sets of shoes to fill: a legendary Golden age hero and a savior of the planet. Imagine THAT on a teen
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I can imagine it very well, I think they touched upon that a bit on Young Justice.
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They did, but only a bit ;;;
Though I admit, tem trying to make him look heroic was kinda funny XP
Jaime: Will ya stop waving?! I'm not the queen of england! (puts hands on hips from the Reach's control) GReat...now I look like Peter Pan.
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Yeah he did have some really funny moments from time to time.
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Though speaking of, you know Count Vertigo?
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Yes, I do. Great Green Arrow villain.
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WELL...He's kinda a untouchable Big Bad in my take
Here's the arc wher he is introduced in my take of the DCU:
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In my take, he's a telepath who has the power to give you a vertigo effect by screwing your brains with his psychic powers, and this is part of his family line being able to be born with psychic powers (Heck, his niece PErdita? She's gotten a bilities that allow her to track mental signitures, so she can track you down by looking for your mental signiture, so a living tracking device) of various types, and Vertigo is also a skilled swordsman and tactician.
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Sounds like an awesome take on Vertigo and the diplomatic immunity is an interesting take on him.
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Thanks XP And yeah, he is a mastermind of his own kind.
And yes, it's thsi reason is because Joker and Lex Luthor do't go with him with the whole 'Secret Society of Evil' thing ;;; Lex and Joker aren't team players all taht much ;;
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Makes sense those two wouldn't join, yes? XP
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Yeah, I see Joker as too psychotic and unpredictable to work with. Luthor on the other hand considers himself as above everyone and probably wouldn't join a team unless they had a plan to kill Superman.
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Speaking of...
Coukd you see Joker beating the Titans in the rookie days of Starfire, Raven, Beast Boy, Cyborg and Terra? ;;; Since I had an arc idea that is basically a response to Jason Todd's death ;;
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I think so. But with such powerful heroes for the Joker to face, he might want to do something that will get them separated, so they're easier to take down. Like maybe he turns Titans Tower into his own personal funhouse and finds out each individual titan's weakness.
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Here's how he takes them on;
Raven tries to mind blast him, but his mind si so...twisted that she got injured instad, he sends Bud and Lou after Beast Boy, has something to short circuit Cyborg and uses his acid flower on Starfire (who has much more reslience mind you, bu that would still sting as hell in the face), and Terra gets to deal with Harley. SO that leaves Nightwing, Red Arrow, Tempest, Kid Flash and Toria as the better equipped ;;
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Raven - Sounds plausible, she tried something similar in the comics and it didn't effect joker and really messed with Raven's mind.
Beast Boy - Joker might need to give something to Bud and Lou to give them an edge on Beast Boy, otherwise he'll turn into an animal capable of easily taking on Hyenas.
Cyborg - That trap fits, maybe it can also leave something in Cyborg's system for a future encounter
Starfire - Maybe the flower could be the start of a series of traps, considering she's a pretty powerful alien.
Terra - How does Harley go against Terra ?
How do the other Titans fare against Joker ?
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Bazooka against Terra
ANd as for the others...
Nightwing and Red Arrow are able to handle him in hand to hand combat, Donna is able to avoid his tricks thanks to her experience, Kid FLash is also more experienced against the traps, and GArth is able to deal with bullets thanks ot his Atlantean physiology.
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Bazooka sounds a little weak going against geokinetic abilities. Maybe Harley's reworked the entire basement plumbing into a water park with slides. Get Terra out of her element and off balance.
5 on 1 doesn't seem very fair when it comes to a fight like this. Maybe some of the Titans went off to save the others who aren't fairing so well against their trap. Like Garth goes to help Terra, Kid Flash is the only one fast enough to beat the speed Joker's virus is spreading through Cyborg's systems, and Donna goes to help Beast Boy against the enhanced Bud and Lou.
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Those work. Thanks
and so it's known, the Titsns are doing this to avenge Jason and help Batman get him this time for what he did ;;
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You're welcome.
Did the Titans, besides Nightwing, ever work with Jason ?
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Garth, Roy, Donna and Wally, yes. The other five...no ;;
Basically they all worked with Jason a little before they left their mentors ;;; Basically JAson, at leat my take of him, is a litle rough around the edges when he was a Robin. You know...think...
Under the Red Hood-era Jason more than New 52 ;;; Since I'm mostly doing pre-New 52 with inspiration for the Bat-Family ;;; Especially Jason, since I am NOT gonna use anything from the OUtlaw comics. ;;;
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Ok, I see what you're going for.
Yeah, I see why'd you want to go for Pre New 52. The Jason in the New 52 adds nothing new and what it tries to becomes a jumbled mess of weird ideas.
I was thinking that maybe instead of The Titans trying to avenge their fallen friend and help Batman, that maybe what sets this whole thing off is that Joker finally sees that he's gotten under Batman's skin with Jason's death and wants Batman to suffer more, so he's after every one of Batman's sidekicks. He shoots and cripples Barbara and sets his sights on Dick and Tim who are with the Titans, so that's where he gets the idea to turn the Tower into a Funhouse of Traps. After the titans get out of the traps they all try to capture the joker and only succeed in severely hurting him and he gets away.
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THis is 3 years in the past though ;;; SO Tim hasn't become Robin yet and Barbara became Oracle arond the time Jason was it ;;
Though him wanting to kill Nightwing, who he'd recognize as Batman's first Robin, would likely go ater him anyway XP AND he'd know he want to avenge his brother
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Oh yeah, for some reason, I forgot that this happens right after Jason dies so it's still much early before Tim becomes a Robin.
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its okay
Though ironically, there is also another villain I updated a lot: Major DIsaster...
WHO I turned from a one-bit crook into a Metahuman Terroist/Anarchist who wants to use his pwoers to sow chaos to the highest extremes...and has powers comparable to Q or Discord ;;
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Interesting choice.
So as a terrorist/anarchist, what is the reasoning behind what he does ? Also wondering how he's able to sow chaos to high extremes ? Maybe he can actually see the butterfly effect, his mind can calculate everything that will happen days ahead of time and he manipulates this to make natural disasters happen.
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Makes sense.
And by that, he uses his chaos powers to create destruction out of revenge againts the miltary for discharging him due to his increasing level of insanity, which only got owrse when he got effected by the particle accelorator that increased the number of metahumans in the KEystone/Central City area of Missouri and Kansas (So anything within a 5-mile radius of both cities got effected as well...). When that happened, it made him go craizer...
WHCIH also got worse when he attempted to kill FLash and Hal Jordan, bu got blown to bits by missiles...and spent about 8 years in a sort of limbo with his chaos powers reforming his body. WHICH made him even more calcultaing and dangerous, not just a psychopath who wanted to create destruction.
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Not to knock you on your ideas but maybe instead of getting discharged from the military for insanity reasons, he could was discharged from going awol during a mission to bomb an enemy stronghold that unfortunately that civilians around it. He was caught and sent home after being dishonorably discharged. After getting back he sees how people are content with their lives the way they are and aren't "advancing for survival like the enemy was". They need a push, a disaster, to make them all move forward and he was ready to do something about it. Unfortunately, around the time he was thinking of this, the particle accelerator exploded and he was effected by it. At first he saw certain objects glowing and saw that he had a certain control over cause and effect and could see and manipulate how these forces worked. He's spent years building this power up to weather disaster levels.
Seems a little weird that chaos powers = resurrection. Maybe his powers for causing chaos naturally draw beings of chaos, like Klarion the Witch Boy, towards him and while they can rarely cause chaos due to superhero interference, they can recruit others, Like Major Disaster, to work for them on their behalf and resurrection is one the perks, though at a cost.
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That makes more sene to me xP And yeah...that can be a good REAL reason...Eiling just said that 'To be blunt, you're insane.'...and that's hat he felt was the reason for him to e kicked out XP
And with that in mind, he's not just weather in my take XP He can literally effect probability like Jinx can...biut ta a higher level.
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Glad you like that idea and I'm liking that Eiling's a part of Disaster's story.
Ok, I get what you mean. What if every time Disaster comes back he gets more powerful and loses a bit more of himself to the chaos he embodies. He'll get this way til he reaches the Q levels of power in the future. If you had him this way now, he'd be way too overpowered and might be a boring villain. So maybe save the high level powers for later or maybe have Disaster be a villain who shows up once every couple of years (like a natural disaster)
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He's not able to warp that far of reality like Q, but he is still powerful...and it took 8 years for him to fully come back ;; But I do get the idea
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Maybe instead of warping he'll travel via black hole manipulation, he creates one that takes him to his desired location and the black hole left behind consumes everything around it. Even moving quickly from place to place, he'll leave chaos in his wake.
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Take it that would mean that during GL, Arow and Flash's squable with him, any League member left who are just done with missons (likely Zatanna and oher magic-based heroes) Are called to close them up since they are magical in nature, yes?
And so its known, by this time, re's the magical heroes: Zatanna, Etrigan, Aquaman (TO an extent), Captain Marvel and Samurai.
THOUGH maybe this entire event also brings back the Tower of Fate?
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Yeah, I think that the more times he comes back the more magical and less metahuman he becomes. So magic users like Zatanna and Doctor Fate (being a Lord of Order) would need to be called in to help.
I think with those choices, Zatanna and Captain Marvel might be the best to combat Disaster.
I think that might be a good idea, being inside the Tower of Fate brings a whole new set of rules/restrictions to Disaster's chaos powers that are more free reigning outside of the tower.
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Well...after he makes more magical-based powers. SINCE the arc he's introduced in is focused on two heroes he mostly was focused on originally; Flash and GL, with Arrow put in since they usually had their own misadentures XP
And yeah...this is also meant to bring in KEnt Nelson tobe Dr. FAte...though Etrigan and the other older magical hreoes know about Nabu and his sort of...posessive-nature. AND it's really risky to put on Nabu's helmet since there is a chance you will never be allowed to have a normal life...aND it also gets the attention of Trigon and one of his best followers...Wotan.
and yes, I am aware I am focusing a LOT on Trigon but lets be honest...can't you see him as the TOp dog of the Lords of Chaos?
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So is Kent Nelson still an old man if he's becoming Dr. Fate at that moment ? Didn't know much about Wotan until I looked him up and he's a perfect fit for this and making him a follower of Trigon is a good idea.
Yeah, I can see that.
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