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Hey Cameron, it's Chris, under Monica's account.
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This your art?
For someone who's very anal about other people's art...wow.
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hmmm .. i feel i know you...
interesting thoughts... reminds me of the months i was in the womb...
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How'd you find me? From the message board art forums with messages? I approve of your art though I would like to see you integrate your backgrounds with your characters.
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the one and only.. concept art .org ... i read your comment on the animations.. and had to see what you were about...
oh im glad you approve.. yeah .. that's a problem i always seem to pass over all the time... im like.. background? fuck it.. splatter-ground
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Who said I wanted to be your "best friend"? Dummy.
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That's what I get for joking.
If my posts weren't deleted I'd tell ya to read them again. They are absurd and full of blatant contradictions. It were all a joke.
If only you knew me better you'd appreciate my fine sense of humor.
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Actually I couldn't resist joking here either. "fine sense of humor" is indeed sarcasm on my part. How would anyone know that? Doesn't matter if anyone else gets it. I don't care.
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Fine sense of humour! That's a good one!
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okay, thanks for stopping by... And a very merry Christmas to you!
it's so...Christmasey
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I'm trying to practice not being cynical and moody. Do you think it's working?
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thank u for the comments <3 u shuld post stuff
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I'll post some stuff just as soon as I am proud of it!
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Hi, FIE. Thanks so much for your recent visit and fave on "The Golden ." It is greatly appreciated!
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Greatly appreciated? You are in such a lofty position, it is like the president thanking you for your vote haha.
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John K wants you to know he hates you....
Now most people today have little or no skill. Why? This is an era of amateurism. The whole idea of skill is a concept from the distant past. There are no schools teaching basic functional skills. There is no general high standard in the arts to look up to that you could at least reach up for or be embarrassed by your lack of the general level of skill in professional art.
The most skilled artists today can't touch the average skills of artists from 1940. The best modern Disney animators are shadows of the masters they look up to. I'm a shadow of Bob McKimson and Rod Scribner. The few of us who have any skills at all are completely bucking the system and having to flounder around and get through sheer talent and trial and error and searching the past. There is no one around to help us.
You need to be able to tell the difference between fundamentally good drawing-and style. Everyone today thinks he has a style. You don't. You have to be able to draw before you can have a style, Chet. Even among highly skilled animators and artists, very few have original and unique styles. You can't learn style. You either have it or you don't. It's like personality. I only know one person who actually made up a personality. Don't make up a style. Draw well instead.
Look at the difference between say, Sleeping Beauty and Mulan. Sleeping Beauty is phenomenally well drawn and animated and staged and colored. It's a technical masterpiece. Mulan is just a piece.
The only similarity is that both movies draw sharp corners on the characters. But in Sleeping Beauty, the corners are in consistent and sensible places. In Mulan, they just morph and switch places and warp all over the structureless melting characters.
Classic Disney features are waaaay too sophisticated and difficult to draw to be able to help you learn anything. They also use very specifically Disney type cheesy expressions and you will absorb those, as all the Cal Arts kids too. They absorb the cheese without the solid foundation.
Once you learn basics, then you can start being influenced by a wider group of artists because then you can actually understand some of what different artists are doing and apply a bit of their tricks.
.....Well I agree with alot of what he says...but I still think he's gotten way too into his own theories. Stuff that looks like shit but conforms to his theories is exalted...and well....most of the stuff he bashes really is bad so I won't question that. But really I don't see what makes some of his Katie Rice designs any better than the new Disney crap. They're original? No they're not. THEY just look like 'cute-crap' all smashed together in a designy loose ugly style. And even worse every goddamn thing looks the same. You've seen one katie rice design you have literally seen every one. and they all suck. the eyes aren't symmetrical so they are good design? so what.
I like how I have none of the skills of John K yet I can be even more elitist. He probably doesn't like Curt Swan. Dick.
I'm glad there is at least one big artist who is dedicated to the craft of drawing and hates the stuff that is 'wrong'. his opinions have been influential to me but alot of what he says pisses me off a little. his 'stupid fun' is highly sophisticated and just giving the people what they want, while family guy is forcing people to like shit. he lives in his own little world. What I tried to point out to him was that the AUDIENCE does not care about SKILL...so how can artists who only want to be successful be expected to care about skill either? most of this stuff is just theories anyway. the only real drawing skills i acknowledge as indisputable is the ability to render objects convincingly. I donβt know or care enough about composition or color theory or any of that stuff to degrade it, but a lot of it seems based on preference and speculation. Yes it usually does look better butβ¦.dammit he says people are using ugly βpee and poo colorsβ and then goes onto say those colors can be beautiful if used correctly. What the hell is he talking about? Anyway, Iβm pretty much already dead so-
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well I guess I was doing you a favor. everyone knows I got the best favorites in all of ...
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Thank you for adding "EC with joseph larkin" to your favorites!
where is YOUR art????
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my art... is my PAIN....arrrrrrgggghhhhh
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well you are lucky if it is your only pain
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Thanks for creating the artwork and posting it.
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I really like that drawing I favorited. You should be doing covers for goregrind bands. Or are you already?
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Thanx for the fav. I can sympathize with some of your comments. I, too, have a hard time appreciating art that doesn't display good, or at least competent, draftsmanship, at least in art that needs to display competent draftsmanship. Things like abstract or outsider art, etc. fall outside of this. Also, I know how hard it can be to find teachers that will give you the kind of nuts and bolts technical info you want and need. I had a hard time getting this even at a fucking art school, and I had to teach myself a lot of the technical stuff by reading books and trial and error. I agree with you that this whole "nothing is good or bad in art" attitude is bullshit. You don't want to be rigid and you want to keep an open mind to different approaches to art-making, and I do, but at the same time, there have to be some standards of quality, regardless of the type of art you're making. And I also want to say to you that learning to draw is a long, slow process, so if you really want to do it, just get started. Copy things, or even trace them, read books on how to draw. get a sketchbook and draw in it as much as possible. Don't worry about how shitty it might look at first--nobody has to see it. Eventually, you'll get to where you want to be.
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Wow thanks for the advice and agreeing with me and stuff. People usually think I am just a bitter asshole when I complain about this stuff. But I really do care about art so shouldn't I have strong opinions?
I can't give up on drawing, I just want it so much. I've been working on it as hard as I can for like 6 years and made no progress whatsoever during that time so I'm very discouraged. So...
Well thanks again for taking the time to communicate with me. Especially since you're a minor-art-celebrity, having done that cover for SFU and stuff.
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No problem. I have one more piece of advice for you. Get ahold of the book Drawing On The Right Side Of The Brain by Betty Edwards. Most libraries have a copy. I used to teach an adult beginner's drawing class and I based the class on the exercises in that book. They really work! I never had a student who didn't make progress. The book is about learning to 'see' like an artist, in other words making the perceptual shifts needed to translate what you're seeing into shapes, lines, patterns etc. Once the shift is made, it's just a matter of practice.
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Okay thanks. I've already done all the stuff in that book, but thanks anyway.
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Thanks for the fav on " EC with David Hill "
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Thank you for making good art and posting it on this site, where the amount of crap-to-good stuff is wiiiiiild.
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You're welcome
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I could'nt help but notice you were refering to me in your blog, claiming I "can't draw", "can't get a job" and "any idea's I come up with took 30 seconds and working in comics was a snap decision".
Given it was posted not long after my reply on DW and you got banned for being a martyr.
First off: fuck you, I work 40+ hours a week and when I'm not working, I get PAID to draw for all sorts of people so what do I care whether I've made it or not, I get paid to draw and thats all that matters to me.
I'll have you know that in the 22 years you've been crying like a bitch hoping someone someone will notice and have sympathy, I've been learning to draw and acheiving more than you could ever hope to by whinging.
So you think my drawings suck, least I had the balls to post some on the internet, wheras you will procrastinate and hope everyone feels sorry for you.
Here's the cold hard truth: nobody cares you're depressed if you act like a dick and have no intention of pulling out of this depressed state.
I've been depressed, I mean who hasn't at some point, but it doesn't seem you're listening to anyones advice and you just want their sympathy.
Well welcome to the real world, there are two options: end the whining and kill yourself, or EARN their sympathy, make the effort of at least trying to draw and TRY to stop the depression.
If you don't try, nobody will care.
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Uh..I don't remember who you are, and that post where I make fun of artists who don't care about their craft was not aimed at anyone in particular - I've seen alot of people like that. In fact I feel I am in the minority when I think people have to do things "the right way".
You're insults-they are true. I know I am worthless, that everything bad that has happened to me has been my fault, and I don't deserve to find happiness. So what? So we can all hate me. Why get upset at my opinions knowing they are just as worthless as I am?
Ah and anyway, can't you take some criticism? Maybe there is some truth in it. Or maybe not...I don't see what the point is in getting upset about it though.
now let's all poop in our pants
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Nobody is getting upset, I asked for constructive criticism and you got all snotty.
Even if that post wasn't aimed at me, it's still hugely ignorant, since I bet most if not all people on the internet are ones you've never met let alone know well enough to trash.
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I'm sure all of the people who don't give a shit about "real" art and are just trying to make entertainment without any skill are better people than me. I just wish more people would care about their craft, okay? I'm not judging them so much as arguing that they put more care and thought into their work. I don't like the prevalent attitude that art can't be judged as "good or bad" because it is all a matter of perspective. Why? Because that makes it hard for me when I try to learn. I say "please teach me how to draw" and they say "there is no right way!" I ask "can you teach me to draw like Frank Frazetta?" and they say "be original - don't try to be something you're not!"
Look this is my "diary of drawing" and I can say anything I want here. I have said MUCH more offensive things than belittling people who don't care about quality draftsmanship. What did I say to you that was so offensive? I said "Gee you are terrible at drawing. I am too, maybe if you work really hard and are lucky you can get better." Look at your work, is that really such an unfair statement? Was I being mean, intending to hurt you? I thought it was obvious that you couldn't draw and I was just bringing it out into the open so we could discuss remedying the situation. I wish that was how people treated ME. I don't think I deserved to be banned for that-but whatever I merely logged back on with a different name.
This is a matter of opinion. You say I can't judge people. Do you judge people, people you haven't met? How about murderers and child molesters? I offend you when I rape a child and it offends me when you don't put any effort into your work and try to pass it off as legitimate. Who knows maybe you're right and I'm wrong, but no matter what you say I'm still going to hate bad art and refuse to call it anything other than crap.
You probably missed it but I was trying to be funny when I made that ridiculously hateful post against bad artists. I KNOW my views are outlandish, so I was trying to make my point of view seem even more absurd by carrying it to that extreme. I do that alot and it all ties back into my own self-hate...
Are you trying to somehow convince yourself that your art is good by proving me wrong? All that matters is what YOU think about your own work. If you love it, it shouldn't matter what me or anyone else says. The fact that you get so upset when I share my opinion makes me think you are insecure and KNOW your work is bad. I think you should just admit that you DON'T KNOW HOW TO DRAW (are you going to shove some numbers in front of my face and claim it's good calculus?) and then maybe try to learn how to do it properly instead of pretending it doesn't matter.
And thus I waste 20 minutes of my time-but my time is made for wasting.
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Hey I know how you feel. I used to not like myself either, finally one day I thought to myself, "this is making my life misrable! I have to put a stop to it," you'll just need to do the same, it could take awhile but you got to try!
My life has gottan soo much better now that i think better of myself. on the drawing thing, i'm no perfesonal so my drawing are't the greates. but just practes. Try and post a pic on here even if you don't like it. You could end up making somebodys day! sorry this is so long.
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ah well thanks for the advice/encouragement...I've hated myself nearly all my life, ah the suicidal fantasies of my childhood. I'm too old to change my ways..yeh I'll probably drop dead any day now...
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Hey, I'm sorry. Sorry I got after you expecially on your own front page.
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hey it's okay, if I act like an asshole how can I not expect people to come pee on me? In fact I probably only act that way so people will come pee on me. I'm saying you should pee on me (through the internet).
The world's not waiting just for me,
the world don't care what I can be.
It really doesn't matter,
if I just burst and shatter.
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Hey, do you draw or anything? I don't see any of your art.
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Alrighty then. I should tell you i regretted apologizing, but i didn't want to seem as you as unintentionally seemed. I figured you were just beign a little thoughtless rather than mean. ^^
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Hey, just wondering, why did you just bash coraheart16? I guess you weren't doing it to be mean, but she's just starting getting into drawing, just so you know.
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That's an interesting journal you wrote. Artists (i do this too) usually make themselves to be worse than they actually are. Would like to see some of your work and thanks for the fave.
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art is an expression. It can be an expression of anything. Creation by anymeans, COULD be considered art. What you consider art, just happens to be something that is hard for most people to do. But not for the people who decide to finally grow out of the life that isn't working for them, and work their' asses off, finding other means, unknown to the rest of the world, that will help YOU. You are the only person who knows what, and ALL that doesn't work for you. For your first art, create a way to learn.
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