Ragged-Toad In reply to rxr [2010-04-02 12:26:42 +0000 UTC]

stop telephoning me oglum XD

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Ragged-Toad In reply to Kuzunari [2010-03-05 20:33:21 +0000 UTC]

My grilfriend broke up with me so I am kinda depressiv at the moment and I got a lot of school work to do so I think toads deviatitons will be delayed sorry. But then I will strike back with full depressiv inspiration art power. hell yeah

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Kuzunari In reply to Ragged-Toad [2010-03-06 20:18:40 +0000 UTC]

sorry to hear that. stay strong, fighting!

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Ragged-Toad In reply to Kuzunari [2010-03-07 10:24:43 +0000 UTC]

In Jamaican: Get up, stand up: stand up for your rights!
Get up, stand up: don't give up the fight! Right?

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Kuzunari In reply to Ragged-Toad [2010-03-08 06:13:53 +0000 UTC]

exactly surtida is very disturbing by the way

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Ragged-Toad In reply to Kuzunari [2010-03-08 19:58:36 +0000 UTC]

In a positive way or in a negative way?

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Kuzunari In reply to Ragged-Toad [2010-03-10 06:10:10 +0000 UTC]

ha ha how can disturbing be 'good'? it freaked me out that she had no eyes in the end, and to be honest, just seeing the beginning made me apprehensive. not my cup of tea sorry, next time animate a 'hills are alive' moment

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Ragged-Toad In reply to Kuzunari [2010-03-10 14:31:22 +0000 UTC]

No way For mme is the greatest thing to shock people. Everyone can make films where you fee happy and smile. But the real thing is to disturb people if you can do that if somebody says after he watched it something like. O my fckn god what kind of person writes this it thrilled me. I've never expected that. You can be sure that he or she will remember you. I don't now how to say it just watch the mvie Old Boy. Of yourse people shoud feel good and compare the characters with themselfs but after you build up such a nice plot why not disturb them

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Kuzunari In reply to Ragged-Toad [2010-03-11 07:00:07 +0000 UTC]

I actually watched Old Boy, with my sister like a yr and half ago. I wanted to kill myself afterwards. I don't find movies like that amazing, and I pretty much wonder about the mental health of anyone who wants to film something like that. The reason is that people undergo situations like that in real life. If you can think it, it's most likely possible. I happen to be an empathic and empathetic person.I can't watch people be hurt and killed in such horrific and inhumane manner. No dice brah.
No offence.

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Ragged-Toad In reply to Kuzunari [2010-03-11 14:32:35 +0000 UTC]

Of course happen such things in real life, but nobody sees that. The point is not to scrare people or make fun of something serious. If you can bring that feeling to someone than thats art. Just like in pictures, if you see a pic and feel something what the artist wanted to show, thats soething amazing. You can make people laugh wiith simple things you can make them happy just by playing a simple song. Thats not art. Thats being human, these are the things you should always do if you are a kind person. But to make someone kill itself, by just showing them moving pictures, well I think thats a masterwork. If you'd knew me you would see that I am a very cheerful funny person. I am the one who makes the others laugh thats why most of the people like me. But when it comes to art I change totally because thats the only thing in my life which completely belongs to me.

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Kuzunari In reply to Ragged-Toad [2010-03-12 17:42:10 +0000 UTC]

Tamosh, I have alarm bells telling me to run away from this bullcrap you're spouting. And I'm being honest because I respect you. Don't contest that. I need to be sure what you mean by a couple of your statements. Forgive me if I rant.

Did you mean: "if you make someone kill himself, by showing them moving pictures, then that's a masterwork"?
so what is the "point"? isn't it still trivilizing life? the goal has not changed. do you really think that the degree a peron is affected is what matters? you'd go so far as to sensationalize a work that causes a person to kill himself, a masterpiece?
in fact, do you realize that it is reasoning like yours that continue to push increasingly violent content in movies, comics etc? how does that make you any different from a sociopath?
in the same vein, 'that's just being human'?! Are you serious? I don't see your point here. It's human to be drawn to violent and frightening movies. There are humans out there that actually want to be mutilated and killed in horrible fashions, some get off on that stuff, well a lot of people.
you're saying rainbows and sunshine are passe?
People process dark stuff, because its memorable. Whether negative or not. That is human.

"Also, when it comes to art i totally change..that's the only thing in my life which completely belongs to me"<<
Why did you dehumanize the person by saying 'itself' when really, the inhuman one was the director of the disturbing 'moving pictures'?

I think I'd like you to be clearer on why you like such dark themes. I was honestly confused.

Oh, furthermore, not seeing the actual crime is a nonissue. now who has access to a buddy who has people saw of thier bodyparts every weekend? I mean, please. The point is that you might as well be witnessing those crimes. Voyeurism excuses nothing. Regardless of why you choose to watch. Hey, one man's filth is another's masterpiece. For example, porn is porn is porn. Violence in any form is still violence. What exactly does the artist want to show?

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Ragged-Toad In reply to Kuzunari [2010-03-12 22:44:58 +0000 UTC]

You wouldn't really kill yourself by watching that movie do you? I didn't mean that sorry for my english. I mean only that feeling not murdering yourself. Art has always to do with crazyness. Every artist is a bit crazy. Even the professors in our school accept that. I can't quite explain that feeling with words, but you will see what I mean.
I don't wanna talk about it bcause what you understand isn't what I meant to be. And it lets me look as I were a fcking psychopat. Sorry to interrupt you with such unneccessery speech. 'Cause you can't understand it. discussing this way would never and so, forget about it.

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Kuzunari In reply to Ragged-Toad [2010-03-13 00:19:18 +0000 UTC]

First: You are being presumtive. And you're also being defensive.
Second: You weren't paying attention to what I was saying.
I don't believe that you are a psychopath. I'm pretty sure you know the definition. It is the person who acts on the violence he imagines, that is who becomes a psychopath. Lots of good happy go lucky people draw macabre stuff etc. Doesn't that mean that on some level, they love psychopathic stuff? But they are not truly psychopaths are they?
Furthermore, the feelings engendered in the other person (viewer), is not what is the issue. The motive is kind of obvious.
What I was inferring to, which flew over your head, was WHY do you really choose that? (note, I am not judging you, I was only curious) What I wanted you to clarify also is what are the consequences of such art? And do you even care that there are?

You don't have to dignify me with a reply. I'm used to people closing down by being direct. Misunderstanding because of a language barrier is an excuse. I know you're in no moo to take flak, but pay attion, I wasn't giving you any.
If you want to be made known, then you will put in the effort. I value truth. Saying that your work, and works like these, is a form of violence, (emotional/mental) is not incorrect. And it wasn't meant to offend you either. I just want to know if you could own up to that and why you'd choose it.
~Kazu

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Ragged-Toad In reply to Kuzunari [2010-03-13 01:51:06 +0000 UTC]

It is not the violence I am searching for it is the way to shock people, to show them something what they didn't expect, sometimes that with violence sometimes with love, sex or even family bounds it changes with the subject. I just don't think that it is a wrong thing to do there is such a thing like parental advisory and if you think that someone might get mad by watching such stuff, then he also might get mad by watching other stuff or people i the street he is meant tobe. For me art isn't just drawing incredibli good its the subject. It is not the violence I try to sproud its the unusual. Have you watched "I'm a cyborg but thats ok" It is a love film, about two people in love who are in a madhouse, it is unusual but its beautiful and romantic. I can see people making love or holding hands in every movie, but when I saw it in that movie evven these little emotiions turned out to be much bigger. It has nothing to do with violence its just unusual and beautiful. I hope you get an idea about what I mean. In surditia its the same she gives her face away she doesnt get it back no happy end an unusual end the lesson is don't give something precious away to reach more and more other way you lose more than you have, she wanted to see the tree so much that she couldn't see anything in the end she just heard the wind blowing in the tree and that was the same voice as all the other lookalike trees. I don't think that people watching a childrens story would expect such an sad but meaningful ending. I hope you understad me now.

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Kuzunari In reply to Ragged-Toad [2010-03-13 07:37:21 +0000 UTC]

It's hard to answer you, because I figured that to be what you were saying. Thanks for the clarification, though. I appreciate it.
The thing is, anyone that I ask these questions to, will give the same answer you have. To me, it barely skims the surface of the 'issue'. I like looking at the big picture. Apart from the immediate effects, how does it affect the person (viewer and society) down the line? you should know that standards and limitations like parental advisory don't work in modern society.
I just wanted to see your thinking process through... see if it even got that far. How far does it go? As I said earlier, your 'way' isn't new. Many are like that, and you can even consider it a 'movement' of some sort. Most times the lesson is lost but the fear remains, I wonder how effective it is really, and who do you believe really 'gets it?' Kids certainly don't. a lot of the stuff they feed on will come back and bite them in ass one way or the other as they age and they can understand and identify more. by the end, they're already conditioned and desensitized to a lot of things, this includes adults of course. The point was to see how you weighed everything out. That is what 'why' is about.
remember, I understand you, but that doesn't mean you've revealed anything to me, or really answered my questions. Maybe I'm the one who is vague or not asking the right questions *shrug*

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Ragged-Toad In reply to Kuzunari [2010-03-13 11:24:14 +0000 UTC]

WTF are you a lawyer???

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Kuzunari In reply to Ragged-Toad [2010-03-13 21:08:15 +0000 UTC]

No I'm not. I am an human being who thinks. As an artist don't you think about how the art community affects society? Think about the cyberpunk movement, what is the goal? In explaining a goal, you have to look at both sides, weigh the pros and cons, and state why it is that you chose what you did. Everyone as an artist goes throught that process on some level. I mean, if this were an interview and you were a famous artist, you'd have failed. And I trust that real interviewers don't ask these inexperienced baby questions that I did.
I should ask what kind of artist are you? Why wouldn't you know how to answer? You do think past your art right?
Well, I assumed that you did. I'm sure you do. As I said, maybe I didn't ask the right quesitons. In the end, I just wanted to know your view, seeing as your art is different from mine and your culture is also different, therfore your outlook will be different. But I guess I have to leave it at this. Thanks for your consideration, I appreciated the effort. Sorry if I aggravated you.
~Kazu

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Ragged-Toad In reply to Kuzunari [2010-03-14 01:17:07 +0000 UTC]

The point is I am giving you my answer this is my view. If this were an interview the interviewer wouldn't discuss, he would just want to know the view of the things. The problem is you are not open to anything you try to spread your point of view till I say you are right. You are stubborn, and you think that you are a kind of defender. But you are not in charge of the affects of the community. Everything has pros and cons but you are not the one to decide which is right or wrong. This duscission will never end because you are the kind of people who can't accept a thing that is weird or unusual in your eye. Sorry to say this but if you are not open to the world you will never be happy, you'll always stay as you are at the moment. In my eyes its meaninglis to discuss. Cause the things you said these are thing that I hear evryday, in school on tv in newspapers. If you would understand just a little you wouldn't discuss you would share your thoughts and feelings about my idea. That is what an artist would do learning and sharing with others from others. I know that you've got now a good answer this won't end so if you could be just kind to me for a moment If you wanna be kind just like a respectfull ordinary person, If you want me to respect you. Just shut up. The more you talk the more the more I grow away from you. Till you are a mere nothin in my eyes. I really liked you the way you were I could talk to you. But you changed my idea about you totally.

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Kuzunari In reply to Ragged-Toad [2010-03-14 14:44:28 +0000 UTC]

I'm sorry to hear that. I wasn't trying to be stubborn and certainly not disrespectful. To me there is nothing to be right about. You seem to have forgotten that as I've mentioned before the macabre comes relatively easy to me, I'd know what meaning I try to convey through such media. I may not practice it now, but I can think on the various ways it can affect the viewer beyond what I or artists as yourself intended. I don't believe I'm in charge of the effects in the community, but a conscious part of it. There is no way for me to take responsibility for anything and it isn't necessary.

Again, I'm not attacking you or your way, and I'm not arguing. It may have been a 'meaningless' discussion to you, but I was genuinely interested. My questions didn't require an in-depth response actually. I merely asked if you thought about all that, you could have just said "yes, I have. what you're saying is in the news all the time" and even given an example of how you evaluated your work as a result. Such thinking doesn't dominate or change you as an artist.

You know, I honestly thought you didn't understand me, so that is why I tried to clarify. If you would have just said 'it isn't something I want to discuss, that is meaningless to me' from the beginning, I would have dropped it.

Well, asking about your views in reference to your culture to learn more about you didn't help any. Instead your tone got angry, but then instead of curiosity maybe you have misinterpreted me?

You call me stubborn but you're not only stubborn, but also presumptious. I never said I was a defender and I don't view myself as one. Thinking that I didn't understand such 'weird and unusual' art, you formed a bias against me. Whoever said this is right or wrong debate? It wasn't me. I thought it was about choice and the process of a choice. The viewer has a choice too. It is road with many avenues.

I just wanted an answer. I din't think it was anything overly personal, prying or meaningless. Seeking answers is part of who I am. You say I don't understand you, but you knew what the motive of my questioning was all along. What does that say of you?
If a person asks the same question five, ten, twenty times, you either answer until the person 'understands', listen until you understand or even intuit what the person is asking for, you yourself can clarify by asking a question or as in this case, say 'it's not open for discussion'. Would you think that the questioning person is close-minded? Could you be patient and 'understanding'?

In any case, why should I be yeilding or ingratiate myself to you? When you're practically yelling and slamming the proverbial door in my face. To you I may be 'narrow-minded', but at the very least I'm not fickle. It wasn't, and is never my intention to attack or otherwise be disrespectful to anyone. Sorry that I caused in you such a great offense.
~Kazu

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Ragged-Toad In reply to Kuzunari [2010-03-15 21:59:57 +0000 UTC]

No problem.

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Ragged-Toad In reply to ViperagonZero [2009-11-04 11:08:09 +0000 UTC]

Auf jeden fall wacom. wacom intuous sind die besten aber die kosten auch. Ich würde wacom bamboo empfehlen

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ViperagonZero In reply to Ragged-Toad [2009-11-04 20:19:43 +0000 UTC]

Danke schön!

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Ragged-Toad In reply to Arat89 [2009-10-24 00:51:14 +0000 UTC]

Hi schön dich zu sehen

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Arat89 In reply to Ragged-Toad [2009-10-25 15:23:08 +0000 UTC]

wie gehts dir so?

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Ragged-Toad In reply to Arat89 [2009-10-27 19:10:20 +0000 UTC]

Danke gut ich langeweile mich nur zu tode und dir?

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Arat89 In reply to Ragged-Toad [2009-10-27 20:43:23 +0000 UTC]

ich bin voll im stress wegen der abgaben^^
also keine spur von langeweile...bin gut beschäftigt

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Ragged-Toad In reply to pablorenauld [2008-10-28 08:02:13 +0000 UTC]

Thank you.

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pablorenauld In reply to Ragged-Toad [2008-10-29 00:06:54 +0000 UTC]

welcome

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