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Aveline isn't an ancestor of Desmond..
more than likely she's an ancestor of Paul Bellamy, an Assassin taken prisoner by Abstergo in the year 2000. He's in the graphic novel "The Fall."
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So Desmond's scar is a coincidence ?
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Well.. yes..
Scars aren't hereditary.. you aren't born with scars.
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Indeed, but strangely Altair, Ezio, Aveline and Desmond have the same scar on the same place. There's a purpose for that.
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And the purpose for it was essentially a marketing gimmick. Like the beaked hood and the constant "Nothing is true; Everything is permitted" that was overly-done in the Ezio trilogy.
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actually the scar is a thing from the animus, it wasn't always advanced enough to recall absolutely every detail from the memories. In AC1, Altair's model was Desmond's model, and Altair also spoke in an American accent. This was because of the Animus essentially putting Desmond in the place of Altair.
Ezio's scar was actually on his forehead, as well. It wasn't until AC3 that the Animus was able to fully realize the difference between the ancestor and the descendant.
It's just coincidence that Aveline and Desmond have the same lip scar (it could also be that Aveline was originally supposed to be an Ancestor of Desmond, but she isn't).
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Er, Ezio had it from the lip from the beginning of ACII - sequence 1 - when he gets a stone throwed at him, not the head.
Well, Ubisoft perfectly knows the scar is a sort of symbol. They could have put that scar anywhere else but they didn't.
I thought like you that it was just the Animus putting Desmond instead of the real ancestors look, but...they never said anything about it in-game where in ACII they said they resolved the problem/bug about the Animus making Desmond desynchronize whenever he touches water (aka Altair can swim) and so this time he can freely swim. So I start to think it's more than that. Or there is a plot hole, a very stupid and obvious hole.
As for "nothing is true. everything is permitted" it was in AC1 already, right in the first sequence so yeah.
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In the AC2 book Ezio receives the scar on the head. There are other discrepancies between the book and the game, but I don't think that Ezio's scar is on his lip like it's shown in the games.
And one of the Assassin's Creed team members said that the Animus based the looks for Ezio and Altair on Desmond.
The scar is one of the things that really just are there to serve as a link because people obsess over them. It's like the names of the characters being related to eagles and the beaked hood. Aveline actually continued the trend of both having a name that can be somewhat linked to eagles (as it's derived from the German element "avi" (which means desired) to the Latin "avis" which means bird), and having a lip scar. However, the trend is broken with Connor and Edward, as neither of them have an avian-based name (Ratonhnhaké:ton meaning a life that is scratched), nor do they have lip scars. However, Edward did seek to continue the tradition of giving Assassins names derived from eagles, seeing as "Haytham," is Arabic for "Young Eagle."
Yes, the lip scar is supposed to be an iconic symbol, but what does it mean exactly? The scar serves no real purpose. I mean, Altair and Ezio aren't even related by blood (Ezio isn't a descendant of Altair), so even if they do both have the lip scars, what exactly is this supposed to mean? The hood serves the purpose of hiding one's face, so that when the Assassin reveals themselves to their enemies they don't know what they look like, and so that when they're out and about the populace (with their hood down, as I assume the case would be for most Assassins, although AC4 will be the only Assassin's Creed game where the character actually takes down the hood in cities), they wouldn't be easily recognized. The beak is something that says that they're an Assassin, which is actually what they want people to know, as the whole basis of the acts of the Assassin was to be silent and unnoticed until they make the kill/achieve the objective, but when they actually make the kill they want it to be noticed, and they want people to know it was the Assassins who did it. Beak also serves the purpose of relating the group to eagles. Avian-themed names is pretty much a way of saying that these people were meant to be Assassins from birth. Altair was born into the order, so was Ezio, Haytham was, but before he found out about the Assassins he became a Templar. Aveline wasn't actually meant to become an Assassin from birth though, as her mother was actively trying to run away from both the Assassins and the Templars. The scar has no true meaning beyond: "Hurr durr I'm a lip scar here to show some kind of link between these people or something."
I once theorized that Altair, Ezio, and Desmond were all reincarnations of Adam, and that it related to the prophecy that Subject 16 gives in Brotherhood involving Eve and Desmond's son, and that the lip scar was supposed to be some sort of "fated" event that just always happened. But I don't think that's the case anymore, seeing as Desmond is dead. In conclusion, the lip scar means nothing and isn't a plot hole because it was never actually part of the plot.
And yes, I know that "Nothing is true; Everything is permitted" was in AC1, but I feel as if the Ezio trilogy relied on saying it too much. In contract, AC3 didn't mention it at all.
In any case, Aveline isn't an ancestor of Desmond. The devs have said that with the release of AC3, the present-day storyline is always taking place in the present, when the game was released. AC3 was released on October 31st 2012, in-game, AC3 started on October 31st 2012. AC4 is released on October 29th, 2013, you (the present-day "protagonist") start your first day at Abstergo Entertainment on October 29th, 2013. So I naturally assume that AC: Liberation was released on October 31st, 2012 in the AC world just like it was on the real world, and Abstergo didn't have access to any of Desmond's memories because they didn't have him, or his body, and they didn't get a chance to "farm" his memories in AC1 (and after AC3 ended, Abstergo retrieved Desmond's body, and this is why we can play Edward's memories because they linked him up to "the cloud" at the end of AC3. I'm guessing that they can't "farm" all of Desmond's memories at once so that's why they're keeping his body, probably in some sort of cryostasis chamber), so it's impossible that they would have retrieved Aveline's memories from Desmond.
We do know that Abstergo has Paul Bellamy hooked up to an Animus somewhere, due to information given to us in the comic books, and while it doesn't have to be the case, it is possible that he's the descendant of Aveline. We will find out the truth in the Playstation-Exclusive content involving Aveline, which is three missions where we play as her and also some present-day unlockable information that we can get by hacking into the Abstergo database.
One final note involving the lip-scar: symbols are only good when there is a thematic meaning behind it. There is no meaning behind the lip-scar, thematic or otherwise.
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Also you forgot one important factor. AC should have been a trilogy. But seeing the success, they decided to do Brotherhood and Revelations. Seeing those success, they decided not to end AC with the third like it should have been. A lot of stuff were modified and that's why they only deny Altair and Ezio's link with Revelations, aka 2011. They could have done so for two years, almost three. They didn't. Because there was no reason to deny. And what about eagle vision ? And the fact Ezio sees Altair (who in the book looks after him for a few chapters) in Masyaf ? What about when they said that some of Altair's descendants went to Italy later on (around ACII) ? Too many off things. They needed excuses for more games.
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Yeah, sorry, they never said anything about Altair's descendants going to Italy. Even in AC2 they specified that the reason that Domenico Auditore became an Assassin was because he was the apprentice of someone related to the Polo's, who just happen to be the people Altair gave his codex to. They explained the reason why Ezio saw Altair was through Eagle Vision, which enabled Ezio to see high-stress events, similar to the theory that in times of high stress a memory is imprinted on the world and that's why we have ghost sightings.
The devs have said countless times that anyone could gain Eagle Vision, as eagle vision is a derivative of having some TWCB DNA, and by present-day, pretty much everyone has some TWCB DNA in them.
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lol In Revelations the book, Altair isn't a memory but a "real" ghost, it keeping Ezio company at some points of his adventure. In the first cinematic of the game Altair is clearly looking at Ezio. Or it's an awfully convinient coincidence once more.
As for Assassins in Italy. "The Assassins later migrated to Italy in search of of the pieces and decided to stay in a mediteranean climate similar to there homeland in the Middle East and were pursued by Templars"
Evedryone may have the blood, but do you think everyone has the concentration of genes necessary ?
An interview previous to AC2 release said "Ezio has parts of Altair's gift", would you say that two people not related that one has parts of the other's gift ?
"Bloodlines will also bridge the gap between Assassin's Creed and Assassin's Creed 2. It will explain how Ezio, the hero of 2, is born and where the Codex comes from." www.thatvideogameblog.com/2009…
Altair's hidden blade was hidden among the Auditore stuff, not only the Codex, the same blade Leonardo modified. I do not remember Altair giving his blade to Marco when he left.
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You've got several incoherences between games and books. So I wouldn't trust the book too much, sorry.
They said so, but never said anything about it in the game. That's what I call a hole. After being used seeing "himself" Desmond should have shown surprise to have a different face and Rebecca would tell him about that change too. But absolutely nothing was said about it. In what way isn't there a hole ?
O...k...so I speak German...and French, so i can tell you. Avi ? Never ever heard that in German (in German bird is "Vogel" and air "Wind"). Beside German is NOT a Latin derived language so you can't link both languages. Ava and avit come from Latin, yes, and that is a derivation of Eve, avi meanq bird is Latin yes. Aveline is mostly a French name, but because you have a tree called "aveline", so the bird meaning has been lost even if etymologically you can find it. As for "avi" = "desired" in German, let me precise "to desire" = "begehren, wünschen".
And because of that - unexplained change of face and name origin - you have theories that they are Clay's ancestors rather than Desmond's (I need to replay the beginning of the game to see how exactly they think of Connor, but yeah...for now it'd sound weird) especially since the dev speak of disappearance rather than death (that is indeed suspicious), that we won't see him anymore (they say), but that doesnt mean he's gone. Either they are playing with words or they are hiding something.
Thank you for explaining the obvious use of the hood ? Did I speak of it ? And honestly, when is a hooded person not suspicious especially with the Templars knowing about the look of Assassins ? As for the names related to birds. A few Assassins among thousand only have a bird related names, being it from Middle Age to nowadays. I doubt it's a tradition among the Assassins. Yes, birds may be a symbol for Assassins but only a few have a bird related name.
Ezio wasn't born into the order, he only knew about that long after his father's death. So if he was supposed to one day join the Assassins, it'd have been in a while since after 17 years he knew nothing of it. His older brother though, was part of it. For how long, that would be an interesting question. But it must have been a while since he passed his learnings of combat and freerunning to Ezio and Ezio being rather good it must have been a few years experience I assume.
In what is Desmond's death ruining a theory ? Is somewhere written he never had any sexual intercourse in his entire life ? He could have very well crossed Eve's (or any woman's actually) path and having a short relationship with her and she ended pregnant (the dev did say Ezio surely has a few illegitimate children across the world considering how he loved women). So he has a son without knowing. Or knows but refuses to accept it.
Because Achilles was a poor teacher ? No, he really is, he trained the body, taught the rules, codes and such, but Achilles had already given up on the order and obviously the mind wasn't "trained". That's why the so "unlike Assassin" feeling many people feel toward Connor.
They need DNA to "go in the past". You have DNA in your blood. They could have blood samples of Desmond, or William while they hold him hostage. It's also Abstergo that'll "release" ACIV. Officially Aveline is linked to Paul Bellamy, but why wouldn't there be common ancestors between him and Desmond ? After all Clay and Desmond had common ancestors, which is why Desmond was taken in the first place.
And so scar, hood and others weren't symbols and Ubisoft didn't use them over and over on purpose... To just throw it away without even a one line dialogue like "I fixed the Animus, now you can see your ancestors real faces".
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Due to the fact that the devs have said the book is canon, I will take what I think is true from the books, and what I think is true from the games. The truth is, it doesn't really matter where the scar is, because the scar is just a scar, it has no significant meaning to it.
It isn't a "plot hole" because there's actually nothing relevant to the plot in it. In reality, the devs used it as an excuse for why Desmond and Altair had the exact same head model and why Ezio and Desmond used the same head base, but had different hair.
And I wasn't talking about modern German. I don't know any German at all and haven't done any studies on it, I was getting my info from the Assassin's Creed wikia (which the devs say they use from time to time in their writing).
I have no idea what you're talking about with the thing about Clay's ancestors or something. The only common ancestor between Clay and Desmond that we know of is Ezio, but Clay's memories of Ezio dropped midway in AC2 (I'm guessing that one side mission where he has a horse race and then gets with some girl right after).
I explained the symbolic meaning behind the hood, I may have gone off on a tangent because I was sort of thinking to myself, sorry if that bothered you.
Ezio was born into the order. His father was an Assassin when he was born and the Auditore family was an Assassin family. I call that being born into the order. Haytham was born into the order as well, but he never learned about it before becoming a Templar due to certain circumstances.
Desmond's death ruins the theory that Altair, Ezio, and Desmond were reincarnations of Adam because I assumed that Desmond was the current Adam looking for the reincarnation of Eve, I have a different theory now involving Clay's prophecy as well. Hold on, let me get that copy and pasted from a discussion I had with someone else.
It is far later than you know. Too late to save them. - It is too late to save the world without also dooming it
She is not who you think she is. - Juno is not here to help us/Lucy isn't here to help you
Everything you hope to become, everything you hold dear. It's already gone. -you will die, Juno will enslave us, take away our free will, what we cherish most
Eden. She... in Eden. Fine Eve. The key. Her DNA... -Eve knows how to stop Juno, relive her memories, find the answers
I can not... The sun... Your son... Too weak... must replenish energy... - I can't tell you everything about the solar flare, about your son, because I am using up too much energy like this
I am with you until the end. Find me in the darkness. - I will be with you till the end, find me in the Black Room.
Of course, Clay and Desmond never did talk about this prophecy in Revelations, which was a waste. I'm hoping that somehow Desmond and Clay's consciousness are both contained in the Animus somewhere of course. I do think it's possible that Desmond had a son, that he shacked up with a random girl a week to a month before his capture and got her pregnant and he wasn't told about it.
No, Achilles was a good teacher, Connor specified that he was taught lessons of the mind. I'm assuming most of it was history though. I do agree that Achilles was a broken man who didn't have any dedication left to the Assassin way of thinking besides "kill the Templars!" However, I'm assuming that Connor has heard of the Creed, but it's important wasn't emphasized to him, and that he doesn't realize it until after AC3. Hopefully there will be a sequel for Connor, so we can see his growth.
Also, they actually specified in various AC sources (specifically Project Legacy) that to be able to go through the memories of someone without having them do it for you, they need to "farm" them. I assume this process can break the mind, and we only saw it in active use after the escape of Desmond (in game universe timeline I mean). Even then, these memories were limited as you couldn't fully relive them like when it was the descendant reliving them. I'm assuming that they were able to refine the process for Aveline's memories however, as these memories were still farmed. Again, if they took DNA samples from William Liberation would have been released much later than it was. Anyway, the reason why they can access Desmond's ancestral memories in AC4 is because they have his body in a cryostasis chamber (this info came from a recent interview I read), and they have his DNA hooked up to "the cloud.")
The issue with Aveline being a common ancestor between Desmond and Paul is that, well, Desmond isn't black, and doesn't looked like his mixed race either. With inter-racial marriage being a taboo up until relatively recently, I don't feel like there's enough time for that racial aspect to have been factored out.
No, I've explained that the hood, the eagle-related names, are symbols, but symbols that have meaning. The scar is a symbol without meaning, with renders it, well, meaningless. The scar has no relevance to the story or the plot, and there is no reason for why the scar actually means anything besides "look look something else that connects these people because they're connected lulz."
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You'd rather believe a fiction that comes after than the fiction that was there in the first place ? Anyway, you're contradicting yourself. You want to prove me wrong with the book but now it doesn't matter ?
And they couldn't have commented on it ? Excuse or not, once there it's part of it. They have to deal with it. It's the Animus doing so ? Fine, comment on it once it's resolved. Is one little sentence hard ? Even an email ? They did it for the swimming ability, so they obviously didn't want holes. Here they didn't. Why ? That's not logical. It's just a simple upgrade.
Well, there are obviously mistakes because old or modern you can't link german languages to latin languages. As smart as trying to link the two of them to languages of Asia. Their origin are completely different.
That theory about Clay is simple. During ACR, Desmond had absolutly no connection with the outside world. Who did the database ? There are theories saying it was Clay. Memories can be modified as Liberation proves. Moreover in the beginning of the game he says he wants to go out and half asks Desmond to go back with him. Desmond refuses of course and the subject wasn't brought up during the entire game after that, but what if Clay did it while "saving" him ? That'd explain why the dev never speak of Desmond's death but just that we "won't see him again". So that it'd be Clay who died in ACIII rather than Desmond. (other say Desmond isn't dead). I myself need to replay those two games again before saying anything about such a theory.
Well, in the interview "from altair to ezio" they said Altair was born into the order, raised for that purpose; Ezio however was not born into it and fell in it after some tragic events from his life. Which is a better use for "born into" it implies you're into it since you're a child, "Ezio had a normal life, a normal guy who didn't have a choice than to become an Assassin to survive."
Why would his death ruin the theory ? That's why I don't get. Anyway, I repeat, the dev are never clear about it. They never use the word death but "disappeared, is gone, won't be seen". In one interview of ACIV this is said "so, what will happen now that Desmond is dead ?" "Well, yes there is more to come after Desmond's disappearance *smiling as if there was something funny about what he just said, guy behind staring at him, the guy speaking turns around* What ? It's true, no ? *both laughs* [...] So yes, we will do so that people can enter the Animus even if Desmond is not there *having a hard time not to laugh again and looking down*". I translated it from a French livestream interview (it was registered on posted on youtube) but the sentences the devs use are long, using metaphores that are used for death but not necessarily. Why bothering in a question/answer direct interview to change words and not simply say "death" like the person interviewing him.
All in all, I think Desmond's son is actually replaying his father's life. Because in Brotherhood when you complete Clay's enigma you see Desmond bugged, as if he was some hologram. Considering absolutely everyone has that, it's not a bug. They could have very well, found a way so that he can continue a life even after the birth of his descendant with the Animus.
I'm not saying Achilles didn't teach him anything at all, but he failed in his teaching. I also agree Connor only understands what Assassins are at the end of ACIII, but that's exactly why I'm saying Achilles failed. Connor shouldn't have had to learn it on his own. I really hope there'll be showing Connor as an accomplished Assassin. My fear is there won't... But there too, in ACIV there had been vague answers. They said they'd link ACIV to ACIII when someone asks if Haytham will be playable (they avoided the question since they didn't answer about Haytham at all). As you say, Aveline will be in it, so maybe YOU will also play a bit of Connor. But I'd rather prefer a full game. -_-
You say the descendant has to do it for you ? A dead body can't. As quoted it's the DNA hooked up in the cloud... Blood has DNA in it.
Does Desmond have Native American features ? Anyway, Aveline is half white, first. Secondly, a white family can suddenly have a black child if there are black or part black ancestors. And vice versa. Aveline just have to have a white husband and the child already only has one quarter of black genes (and in Liberation there are hints she accepts Gerald in the end, like in ACIII you have a woman showing interesting for Connor). Sorry, but you'll have to use google translate. www.lexpress.to/archives/3609/…
Back to the same face thing, I repeat, a simple sentence in-game could have resolved everything.
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