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It was never even a thing.
People took unfinished models and polygonal 64-bit character renders too seriously, and the series' co-creator was disgusted when he heard people seriously believe the team all had their legs hacked off for no actual reason.
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Explain why Fox's feet were metal in the original full-bodyΒ SNES continue screen sprite, then.
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You mean in the physical model constructed without consideration given to whether he'd be seen below the waist?
I'm going to emphasize again: THE SERIES' CO-CREATOR was shocked and immediately said "That was never the intention! Why would anyone even think that?" when this nonsense was first brought up to him.
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Dylan Cuthbert? He's just the programmer. Miyamoto gave us the facts.
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Yeah, and know what WASN'T among those facts? "The Star Fox team all had their legs removed despite even real pilots not needing that done, let alone futuristic furry space pilots." And considering Cuthbert moved to Kyoto prior to Star Fox's development and worked directly WITH Miyamoto on creation of the first game and its lore alongside being the head of development, yeah, pretty sure he knows a fuckton more what he's talking about than whatever randy in 2012 looked at those models and decided the characters all have clunky prosthetics in place of legs despite clearly wearing boots and even having real feet in literally EVERY other thing they've been shown in.
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Miyamoto said he gave them robot legs as an artistic choice. That, and we never see any furry feet in Star Fox, aside Krystal in her tribal outfit.
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1. He was talking about the physical models. Not the characters themselves.
2. Yeah, uh, we can see that they're wearing boots, and the officially licensed comics from the SNES era showed characters' feet several times.
3. There's literally no reason why they'd even do that. And lemme tell ya, if I were Krystal, I'd probably immediately rethink joining if it involved cutting off my legs because potatoes.
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1. He was talking about the characters themselves.
2. The SNES game itself has a full body Fox sprite on the "continue" screen, with mechanical feet. Also, the comic only showed Slippy's WEBBED feet, once, in a scene where he's taking a bubble bath. Which means he's either stuffing his oversized webbed feet into humanoid shoes, or the artist just forgot that he's an amputee (which is common in comics/manga and far more likely).
3. Sorry to break it to you, but arguments from emotion instead of evidence don't go far. Yours is based on emotion, not evidence.
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1. No, he was literally talking about the feet on the models. Again, Dylan Cuthbert, literal co-creator, said this "they all had their legs amputated" thing was never once a thing that crossed any of the minds on the dev team, including Miyamoto's. And even if he were talking about the characters, guess what, Miyamoto also once said the shit-ass Mario movie was bad because it was TOO ACCURATE, and also once said the Kongs are not meant to be any existing species of apes despite clearly being so. Miyamoto says things that don't make sense or just aren't true sometimes.
2. The comic also showed Falco's feet. And had dialogue saying how much his socks stink. And yes, they do put their feet in those boots, because they're cartoon furries, they haven't even been drawn with ankles that slim since before Star Fox 64 rebooted everything anyway, and you're way too convinced that stylistic choices and polygon limitations = 100% pointless amputation.
3. Yeah, except what I pointed out is entirely legit, cause do you actually think ANYONE, let alone a 19-year-old girl who's already been through hell, would be gung-ho about joining if it involved getting their feet cut off for literally no justifiable reason?
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1. You wish. Miyamoto was talking about Starfox themselves, not the puppets: I saw the interview. Cuthbert's word is nothing, because he was never involved in any actual concept work: he was a coder.
2. The Nintendo Power Comic didn't show Falco's feet. You assumed it did because of a throwaway joke.
3. Krystal dropped her mission to find out about the death of her home world, to save a planet she knew nothing about. She promptly screwed that up and got imprisoned, only to promptly join Star Fox without knowing anything about them the minute she noticed Fox was hot. Then she dumped him for Panther and joined Star Wolf because she thinks Andross was a misunderstood environmentalist... even though Andross destroyed her home planet. She's never been sane, and also isn't a well designed character. But that's neither here nor there.
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Yeah, y'know what, at this point I think YOU wish. You wish that any of this amputation shit was remotely true, and that Cuthbert had next to no role in conceptualizing the series. Also, you just misinterpreted the events of Star Fox Adventures, ignored Assault, and quoted events from a game Nintendo themselves declared no longer canon, all for the sake of insulting Krystal and trying half-assedly to dismiss my point, good job.
You done yet? This is getting tiresome as all hell.
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Cuthbert DIDN'T have any role conceptualizing Starfox: that game was Miyamoto's idea and Cuthbert's programming code. Therefore, Miyamoto's word on the character designs is final. Cuthbert's word on the character design is simply pointless since he made none of them. What you're doing is like asking John Dykstra about Luke Skywalker's journey instead of George Lucas, because Dykstra made the special effects for Star Wars. Ludicrous.
As for Krystal, I didn't misinterpret or misrepresent a thing.
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Except Miyamoto literally never fucking said the characters have no goddamn legs. And I bet you can't even point to a single thing in any of the actual games that shows they have no legs, or provide any actual reason why this would be the case. And since I know you'll try it, because all believers of this shit do, no, pointing furiously at their primitive polygonal N64 models and going "CARTOONISHLY SKINNY ANKLES, CASE CLOSED!" doesn't count, sorry.
And yes, yes you did. You claim she abandoned her entire quest because she answered a distress call and joined Star Fox solely because she thinks Fox is hot, and after conveniently glancing over the time that passed after Adventures and then the events of Assault, you also claim she "dumped [Fox] for Panther", ignoring everything that led up to that as well, when that only happens in one of nine of Command's endings, none of which are canon, much like how none of Command is canon because Nintendo realized what an embarrassing display of out-of-character bullshit it is on all characters' parts.
Oh, btw, if you look here...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_McClβ¦
...you'll see that Fox was actually named by Dylan Cuthbert. In fact, most of the cast was--Cuthbert even said in a 2008 interview that "You can blame [him] for all the names, apart from Falco Lombardi, which was [Takaya] Imamura". Meaning yes, he did have a hand in the conceptual stage too. Myth busted, just like the myth that they all had their legs cut off and replaced with clunky prosthetics that don't even match the rest of the series' tech aesthetic and would serve literally no purpose and actually hinder them on the job!
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Really? Blocking me to make it look like I lost the debate? You have a lot to learn, kid.
"Except Miyamoto literally never fucking said the characters have no goddamn legs."
Because they DO have legs - metallic ones. Miyamoto said in an interview, in response to the question "do the Starfox characters have robotic legs", that they have mechanical legs as a deliberate art style choice. Ergo, thy're cyborgs because he thought it looked cool.
"And I bet you can't even point to a single thing in any of the actual games that shows they have no legs, or provide any actual reason why this would be the case."
We wouldn't be having this conversation if the evidence wasn't obvious. You're arguing against what's clearly true because you dislike what you see, not because my position is irrational.
"You claim she abandoned her entire quest because she answered a distress call and joined Star Fox solely because she thinks Fox is hot, and after conveniently glancing over the time that passed after Adventures and then the events of Assault, you also claim she "dumped [Fox] for Panther", ignoring everything that led up to that as well, when that only happens in one of nine of Command's endings, none of which are canon, much like how none of Command is canon because Nintendo realized what an embarrassing display of out-of-character bullshit it is on all characters' parts.
Nothing I said was untrue, and Nintendo never said Starfox Command wasn't canon.
"...you'll see that Fox was actually named by Dylan Cuthbert. In fact, most of the cast was--Cuthbert even said in a 2008 interview that "You can blame [him] for all the names, apart from Falco Lombardi, which was [Takaya] Imamura". Meaning yes, he did have a hand in the conceptual stage too. Myth busted, just like the myth that they all had their legs cut off and replaced with clunky prosthetics that don't even match the rest of the series' tech aesthetic and would serve literally no purpose and actually hinder them on the job!"
Great: Cuthbert came up with a few names. Miyamoto still said their legs are cyborg parts. Also, it doesn't clash with the rest of the series at all: in Star Fox 64, Star Wolf comes back with MORE cybernetics if you shoot them down, and Wolf gets a cybernetic eye to replace his eye-patch in Star Fox Assault. Stop your whining.
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Y'know, fucking look at you, you used a second account to keep pestering someone you've been going at for nearly two weeks now over fucking cartoon furries' legs and your near-fetishistic insistence that the characters all got their legs cut off and replaced with the shittiest possible prosthetics for no reason. I stopped giving a shit so hard that it took me six days to even notice you'd replied again. The initial comment at the beginning of this shitstorm was from February of 20-goddamn-18. You can't just move on, but I'M the "kid". What the fuck ever, bro. Believe what you want, and don't use some third account to continue this, cause I'm beyond done.
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It wasn't. If you look at the ankles, they have a hinge joint that physically cannot contain a foot.
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I really like the work you've done on that drawing, great details !
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Wonderful work on these two, I really love how this was done and style is amazing too.
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