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Published: 2017-08-13 19:21:43 +0000 UTC; Views: 1421; Favourites: 18; Downloads: 1
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I don't know if it's the upcoming solar eclipse, or just their usual brand of lunacy at work but it's reasons like these people love making fun of political extremism. This gaggle of alt-righters in Charlottesville appear more like they're attending a Hawaiian feast than going to heil Hitler. I suppose the realization has not dawned on these simpletons that Hawaiians aren't of the white master race? I can honestly say, this is laughable.Related content
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we do pride ourselves on meet ups for some good grub.
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First Berkely, and now THIS! Damn United States going to be a s*hthole as Mainland China in 60s and 70s during communist rule. (No offense)
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Your Trump is showing, lol.
In all seriousness, I would compare the United States today closer to Germany in the 1930's with completely inept idiots vying for power while the more dangerous sects of the political landscape are beating the ever-living shit out of each other in the streets.
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What's even more laughable is that they're using tiki torches. Come on guys, I thought that other races were super inferior and that white people are the only conquerors, inventors, leaders and scientists to ever exist! Lol
Looks more like a bunch of weedy weenie whackjobs than anyone who could pose a real threat to me. What's even more stupid is they believe in identity politics just as much or even more than the worst of SJWs, and they don't even know it, excusing it as "protecting the white race".
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Lol, I know! I am so surprised everybody is treating these people like they are the second coming of National Socialism and not taking the piss at these idiots! Where has the time gone where we actually laugh at how ridiculous these people are!? I actually liked commentators like John Oliver when he went out of his way to make fun of - none other - Than our own Fascist Party (whom, by-the-by, make this lot look like a gaggle of choir boys with candles). youtu.be/NFEeS2OXpoI?t=50 Now those like him are running about claiming the sky is falling.
Aye, SO many leftist ideologues tell me I'm "defending teh fascisms!" and "relativizing the rise of the New National Socialists!" These people have no eye for irony or hypocrisy except when it suits their own political ends. Deadly-dull the opponents of fascism have become, I fear.
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When I saw the group with torches I remembered some films focused in the Middle Ages, when peasants rebelled against their king/lord.
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Lol reminds me of a Romanian youtuber I frequent who commented that they looked like some hilarious modern satire of the Frankenstein villagers!
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The worst part is they hijacked our ralley...
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I think the problem is that your people were not vocal enough about disallowing this lot earlier. I have noticed other rallies and protests (both on the left and right) where the organizers disallowed certian extremist groups to take part in-advance and it appeared to avert similar problems. I don't much care about the entire "Southern Pride" movement (no offense, but as a European it isn't really relevant to me so I haven't bothered much with it except when freedom of speech is concerned) but I think that if they want to hold their own rallies they should be disavowing people like this in-advance.
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(None taken, Understandable.) We thought it was obvious we didn't support those movements, so we didn't really talk about much more than the Antifa attacks, our response, and other groups responses. We didn't take the Nazis or the KKK seriously, so the MSM jumped on our back.
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Appears there has been a wave of taking far-right basement dwellers seriously in America as-of-late, and (as observed by certian responses to my own thoughts regarding said individuals) not taking them seriously enough is equal to allying with them. This is not to say there are not racists within the Southern Pride movement, but I do not think it speaks for the majority of the movement today. In my travels in America, I have befriended two individuals in particular of Afro-American persuasion who consider themselves proud Southerners. So I think characterizing this movement in this day-and-age as one of strict racism is inaccurate.
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I agree, however they really never seemed like they truly existed anymore until now. They always seemed like leftist spies or trolls. (yes I've seen your deviations against the Golden Dawn and others) They do not speak for the majority of us. There is a video going around of an African-American wearing a CSA uniform while proudly displaying the Confederate Battle Flag to show the world his pride as a southerner. Little known fact: about half the CSA states abolished slavery before the Emancipation Proclamation.
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I gotta admit this is freaking great. I have no doubt the meme community is gonna love doing this like with what happened with the election...
I will admit as well, I cannot even understand what is going on here. (I've heard about what happened though). I'm just sitting here wondering just why...but I will have fun with what the meme community comes up with this. Especially with the tiki torches and world record of the biggest Hawaiian themed party.
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Can someone tell me what is happening in USA these days? I'm have been isolated from the internet just a few days and I see this. My mind cannot comprehend what is happening.
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I'll make it short for you...
Essentially you have one group of morons larping as Nazis and another group of morons larping as Communists, both of them attempting to beat the shit out of each other, with the american President (rightfully, for once) denouncing both of them. And yet, everybody blames the President.
So in short... Nobody knows. America is a strange place where logic does not necessarily apply. And this comes from somebody who has spent quite a bit of time in America.
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If it's only a few days, the right got a lot more agresive and vocal. They march with nazi flags, anti-jew speach, they marched with those tiki torches just like neonazis/kkk. It's the same as before, but quite a lot more defined as nazis. Trump didn't really disaprove of this, he said violence comes from many sides. He was refering to an incident that a 32yo woman was murdered. A 20yo fascist, rammed a car that was going slowly because there was a march for the taking down of a confederate statue i think, and the woman was caught between the car he hit, and the one in front. The right is saying bs like she had it coming because she was in the street, and that he paniced and it wasn't murder and things like that. I am sure you will ger back in touch in no time. And in the meanwhile trump set sunctions on venezouela and things gone downhills there too, and he compares dick sizes with kim, because he treaten to nuke guam..... Very fast i think it's more or less the last days.
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While I dislike Trump and believe you are right to condemn much of his lunacy abroad (I think the only thing he has done right in the recent weeks is in terms of Venezuela), I believe the blame is coming down on his head wrongfully as far as this situation goes with ANTIFA and the far-right. Both of these groups are violent, both of them have fucked-up ideals that are incompatible with western ideals. As such, he was correct in condemning both of them. This entire talk of "Oh, he didn't say enough bad things about the Nazis because he said more bad things about the ANTIFA!" is just arguing semantics.
>The right is saying bs like she had it coming because she was in the street
I am not a right-winger. However, I believe that if a person is illegally blocking a public roadway (which she was) one should not complain when they are struck by a motorist, intentionally or otherwise. Both the driver and the victim were both in the wrong. The driver intentionally ran her over in an attempt to kill her, and the individual in question was illegally blocking a road in the first place.
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Ok, sorry to bump in but I think that's bs that they said she had it coming because she was walking down the street...reminds me of when people were blocking the traffic and such because they didn't want Trump as their president...THERE WERE SOME PEOPLE TRYING TO GET HOME and also I'm sure there were SOME poor people in ambulances as well trying to get help...I mean come on, a woman could be in labor on the way to the hospital...besides, not everyone probably did vote or voted for someone else...the minute you involve people who are could be innocent and just trying to go on with their life is when I cross the line...
Sorry, but I'm kind of new to what's happening now but I hate it when it especially involves people who get caught in shit like this, especially they're just trying to get on with life. Yeah, protests can get violent but who's to say where the woman was going to anyway?
Again, sorry but this whole mess is just...chaotic to me. Reminds me of how similar it was with a woman also running over people in Vegas.
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Ok thank you for telling me.
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It's actually pretty funny because I actually didn't notice they were actually holding tiki torches until you just pointed it out.
Still a pretty funny meme here, though.
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Aye, as a certian Romanian Youtuber I watch commented...
"These fucking idiots look like some kind of satire of the Frankenstein villagers!"
Also, I adore how these people believe they are defending the "white race" while they are using inventions of a "non-white race." Pseudo scientists shitting on their own findings.
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Personally I wouldn't give these goons attention, they're just not worth it; although I am okay with stuff like these memes here making fun of how silly they look with those tiki torches and all.
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Thank you! Finally somebody who understands. By treating these imbeciles like they're an actual threat is awarding to them a level of legitimacy they do not deserve. By laughing at them and mocking them, we deny them this legitimacy.
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You're welcome, I care very little for this "identity politics" nonsense, whether it'd be for whites or non-whites, majority or minority (and I refuse to use the term "POC", since that term sounds like "colored").
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Indeed let us focus on issues rather than colors and genders. Politics should be about solving problems, not creating others. I do not understand this - Simply because one changes the wording order from "colored people" to "people of color" means it's politically correct?
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My thoughts exactly, MLK once said something about judging people by character not by the color of their skin; unfortunately the far left forgot this and so does the far right.
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Agreed. It is the idiots on both sides that made me see the truth in the political horseshoe theory.
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You can say that again, the mainstream media is now growing some brain cells and condemning Antifa just recently.
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Quite honestly, I do not trust American news media. The majority of them have a significant bias and do not try to hide it anymore. If they are indeed condemning ANTIFA it's too little too late for me to take them seriously.
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Me neither, especially since the Gamergate thing broke out and of course the whole Trump entering into the election reinforced my distrust (and perhaps taking it even further than I had beforehand); I immediately caught on to the BS about Trump being the "next Hitler" when I saw an article trying to tie the Man in the High Castle show with the Trump campaign. As if an Axis takeover of the US led by two of the worst regimes in history has anything to do with the Orange Multi-Millionaire going on about walls and such.
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Yanno, when the Klan held midnight lynchings and cross burnings, I really doubt they put any real thought into how to make their torches look more menacing. They just used what was at hand. Which is the exact same thing these guys are doing. I mean, it's not as if the Nazi party set up torch making workshops in the 1930's.
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Both the Klan and the SA (Brownshirts) also had reputations as well as many distinctive features that made them quite intimidating, whereas this lot simply resembles a group of rejects who have only gotten into a couple of scraps with their fellow lunatics on the other side of the political spectrum. My overall point is that these people are larping and everyone sees it, hence why I laugh and make fun of them. The Alt-Right acting out like this is synonymous with ANTIFA when they larp as Communist revolutionaries - Both are sad and silly, and yet there is a humorous element to it. These individuals think themselves some harbingers of a new world order, or something of that nature, when in reality they are just larping pansies.
As far as the torches go - A simple can of black spray paint would not go unuseful in this regard.
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The SA started out as a bunch of bar brawlers that the Nazis recruited as muscle. The Klan was mainly farmers and laborers. Their symbols and reputations are intimidating now, in retrospect. Think about what they looked like when they were starting out. The SA started out as a bunch of low class thugs wearing surplus army uniforms and silly armbands. And guys wearing bedsheets? The modern Klan (which was well represented in Charlottesville) mostly got rid of the hoods because they really do look pretty silly.
Also keep in mind that most of those guys probably have guns at home. and they did kill one person and injure a bunch of others.
Yes, individually they're a bunch of pansies. But when they get together they become a mob, and mobs are dangerous.
BTW, wtf is antifa? I've heard some people around here complaining about it, but considering their tenuous connection to reality I haven't paid much attention. Today is the first time I've heard the term used by mainstream sources. The word sounds like the name of a rebel group in the Sahel or something.
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And yet, the SA still had the power of the National Socialist Party behind them - They were part of an actual violent political movement and party whereas these individuals are a howling bunch of identitarian morons without any kind of established political base - One can just name themselves Alt-Right and so long as they talk the talk their colleagues are none-the-wiser. As far as the Klan is concerned, by many accounts they actually did start out as a joke organization, hence the bedsheets (Ku-Klux comes from the Ancient Greek "Kuklos" which in verb form essentially means "to go in circles" and was usually used in a comedic context) but by the turn of century when they actually started gaining popularity, I would imagine they had done enough lynching and burning against colored and Catholic peoples that they had built a rather grisly reputation for themselves. The bottom line here is that these individuals look absolutely ridiculous and have no reason to gerner any kind of fear from myself or really anybody else keen enough to just take a look at them.
>at home
This is the key here. I imagine many ANTIFA have guns in their own houses as well considering they conducted an open-carry march with them. Correction: One of them killed one person and injured a bunch of others and he should be tried for it. As for his fellows, appears their "dedication" only went so far as starting their own luau.
One coward or a mob of cowards, they are still cowards and on top of that they have made themselves look ridiculous. So long as the mob does not become violent I will poke fun at them all-the-same.
I will try to be as short as possible in my explanation, but there is much to know when talking about ANTIFA so bear with me;
ANTIFA is essentially a loosely-conjoined, far-leftist, and quasi-communist organization with a capacity for violence that has recently become prominent in North America but has long been a problem here in Europe since the 60's and 70's. Their name derives from a group of republicans, Monarchists, and Parliamentarians (essentially, liberals and centrists) who formed armed groups in the mountains against Mussolini. Today, they have coopted the label and used it as their own, but are less Anti-Fascist and more anti-anything-they-call-fascist. Those European chapters are typically more violent and maniacal than those in North America and some of their members have actually been the perpetrators of actual terrorist attacks in my country in recent years. The group was responsible for a myriad of violence and destruction of property in Hamburg, Germany during the recent G20 summit where their violence cost an estimated 13 million USD in damages to private and public property. www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUlC7o… The ANTIFA groups in America are, as I previously mentioned, typically from the upper-middle classes and many simply larp as Communists but - Much like their Alt-right counterparts - display a lack of stomach for a fight of any kind once they are the ones being hit. Thus they are typically less dangerous than those here in Europe. But they still have similar fucked-up goals in mind and still have a capacity for violence (this is where the "Punch a Nazi" debacle came from). I have observed that rather than only going after Fascist groups they have also been keen to target (many times with violence) free-speech protests or anything that even generally resembles the center or right wing both in Europe and North America and in order to justify themselves they simply label it fascism. In my opinion, these people are hypocrites and are simply a mirror image of violent fascists.
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No political base? They just elected one of their own President of the United States. Just who do you think the 20% - 30% who still strongly support Trump are? These guys. And despite the gross incompetence and complete inability to govern the GOP has demonstrated, they are still likely to retain control of Congress next year. Because of these guys. The NSDAP started out as a fringe group with no political base. That didn't last long. People like this are jokes - until they're not. A fascist takeover is unthinkable - until it's not. You think these guys look like a joke? So did the Beer Hall Putsch. Every revolution in human history started off with a bunch of ridiculous looking guys just like these. If you're so stuck on appearances that you can't see past the tiki torches, then you're really not paying attention.
And they already are violent - they went to Charlottesville looking for trouble. The car incident was hardly the only incidence of violence - it was a riot in the streets.
Well, I don't know about Antifa in Europe, but my impression is that in the US it's just another right wing delusion along the lines of death panels, birtherism, and climate denial.
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Well it would appear that if they did have a political base in the President before, they don't have it now considering the man denounced them and their - in his own words - "Bigotry and violence." The idea that the Republican Party could even become anything close to a new NSDAP is almost as laughable as these individuals. If you want to see countries that are actually in-danger of a Fascist takeover look at my country, where the uniformed Golden Dawn party marches in the streets of the Capital every weekend and they hold almost 10% of seats in Parliament, or at Hungry where Jobbik is acting similarly and they hold 24 seats in the National Assembly. Our own armed forces have released statements reading that if "extremist elements" obtain governmental power they would act in a coup to restore a democratic government. I've seen real and dangerous fascists - These men are not among them. They are the equivalent of a schoolboy who is dressing up and attempting to be taken seriously by his peers. The way to make such individuals powerless is not to treat them like a threat, but to treat them like fools. If we can laugh at them they have already lost.
Much as I hate the Alt-right and people like them, with the exception of this incident with the motorist who ran his automobile into the crowd, I have not seen a situation where these individuals actively started a fight - Usually they were hit first or were provoked into a fight by counter-demonstrators with the goal of dispersing them.
I can assure you, ANTIFA in North America are not a conspiracy theory - They have indeed begun a more violent path in the past years, apparently attempting to become more like their counterparts here in Europe. I am not entirely a fan of The Atlantic, but they actually did a fairly accurate piece on the subject. www.theatlantic.com/magazine/a…
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I don't think you're getting the subtext to this stuff. In the US explicit racism in public has been taboo since the 1970's. Of course racism didn't actually disappear just because the public mood changed, so ever since there's been a constantly evolving system of euphemisms and code words. They're called dog whistles: rhetoric designed so that racists will understand perfectly well what's being said while at the same time it's sufficiently vague that people in the political middle either won't recognize what's being said or will have enough plausible deniability to ignore it. By not immediately condemning white supremacists Trump was giving them a wink and a nod. And this isn't the first time Trump has done this sort of thing. Last year during the campaign Trump refused to immediately condemn some comments by David Duke, who's the most publicly recognizable white supremacist and Klan leader in the country. By American standards Trump has come shockingly close to explicitly endorsing white supremacy throughout the campaign and his Presidency.
There's a difference between saying that a political party could become the next NSDAP and saying that it's in the process of doing so. The potential is always there with any political movement. Racist and authoritarian elements within the GOP are currently in ascendance. Trump himself has strong fascist tendencies and has been actively undermining democratic norms ever since he became President. Fortunately there's been a lot of resistance and political push back, but it remains to be seen how this is all going to play out. What happened in Charlottesville is not an isolated incident - it's part of a series of events whose ultimate outcome remains to be seen.
With a street brawl, it's usually difficult to tell with certainty who threw the first punch. But it would take a lot to convince me that these racist thugs are innocent victims.
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I don't care about any kind of "subtext" as such an argument is no longer relevant. He was trying to garner votes from extremists in an election which, while underhanded, is nothing new for a politician. Now the man has just come out and openly condemned the KKK and David Duke's ilk, the Alt-Right, and fascists in-general, twice in two days. abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-…
Once again, I find that idea absolutely laughable. Of course there are racists in the Republican party, there will always be individuals with racist views. This does not automatically mean they are going to ascend to power, bring about Fascism, and dissolve the American Constitution and American Democracy. Americans in-general are very fussy when tampering at all with the Constitution at all, so one laughs at the prospect that such could take place unnoticed and without serious repercussion to the political leadership. I have yet to see any occasion where Mr. Trump himself acted to undermined your democracy.
I never said these racist thugs are innocent victims, I was merely pointing out that most times they were either provoked into or outright attacked by ANTIFA thugs, and therefore were not the ones initiating violence until recently. If you want you can look at ANTIFA's statements where they advocate violence toward their opponents. www.aol.com/article/news/2017/… Again, the situation here in Europe is similar. The terrorist attacks in my country that have been carried out by ANTIFA members have been aimed at right-wing public officials or Political figures.
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You're just being ignorant now.
So context doesn't matter? What the political norms are doesn't matter? How people will actually interpret a statement doesn't matter? If Trump gave a press conference in a speedo are you going to respond to people talking about how weird that is by insisting that it's not weird at all because there's nothing wrong with wearing a speedo?
The fact is that the Alt-Right considers Trump's initial non-statement as being a tacit endorsement. Which it was. Or are you seriously going to argue that politicians always explicitly say exactly what they really mean in plain language?
Racists aren't going to ascend to power? Really? Perhaps you've heard of a fellow named Steve Bannon?
Most Americans don't know what's in our constitution and are fussy about it only when it suits them. However, I never said there wouldn't be repercussions or resistance.
Trump has been trying to undermine the legitimacy of the press and the courts since the campaign. He's been trying to get rid of checks and balances in Congress. He's been trying to quash all investigations of him and his administration and businesses. He fired the FBI director for daring to investigate him, and clearly the only reason he hasn't fired Mueller and Sessions is because the people around him have convinced him that would be politically disastrous for him. (Yes, it is technically within the President's power to fire the FBI director. Just like it's technically within the Queen of England's power to dissolve the UK Parliament. It just isn't done.) Oh, and there is the small detail that Trump is working for the fraking Russians!
Most of the counter protestors weren't Antifa. And as the article you linked before pointed out, Antifa in the US isn't at all the same things as Antifa in Europe. And why in the world would you think those racists were the ones being attacked?
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No, I am being pragmatic - Any kind of "subtext" that might have given any kind of wink or nod to these people is now completely irrelevant because Mr. Trump has already openly denounced these groups. In his initial statement, he condemned both extremes. This was not a non-statement, and I myself agree that the ideas which both of these groups represent are repulsive. I never said that every politician means exactly what he says, however when he comes out and openly says the words "I denounce these people and their tactics" in open and plain dialogue (twice), I hardly think there is any room for "subtext."
As I understand when Mr. Bannon's comments were picked up by the media, a sizable group of the Jewish community in the press defended him against the accusations of racism and antisemitism - Including one of his former employees - claiming that his comments were exaggerated. I am certain if this man was truly a racist, such would not be the case.
All of these I have heard him make [rather ignorant] comments about, but has he really taken any action in this regard? Legally he cannot "get rid" of your checks and balances this is just out of his power entirely, and as for the FBI he may be able to fire Mr. Comey, but a president is not legally allowed to halt or interfere with an FBI investigation. Therefore, I don't see why people make a big deal out of Mr. Comey - He didn't know anything special judging by his testimonies to the Congress so we can eliminate that. As far as I can tell, the President had been planning to fire him beforehand anyway - before this investigation business began. As far as the Russians are concerned, I will reiterate - The only real link between Mr. Trump and Russia that could be interpreted as any kind of collusion was a meeting between DJT Jr. and a Russian lawyer who *supposedly had connections with Kremlin, which leads absolutely nowhere. This might be probable cause of an investigation, but this is by-far nothing damning.
*I say "supposedly" because it would appear that nobody has actually taken the time to confirm whether or not said lawyer actually had prior dealings with the Kremlin or not.
What are you on about? Did I ever say that all of the counter-protestors were ANTIFA? I am merely talking about the violent extremes here on either side - I am leaving out those who abide by peaceful and lawful protest. Yes, and I pointed this out...
"European chapters are typically more violent and maniacal than those in North America"
However, those chapters in North America are beginning to emulate those here in Europe, and this recent wave of violent behavior is part of this.
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Mike, you're not being pragmatic, you're in denial. You can't unring a bell. Once Trump gives a wink and a nod to these people he can't take it back no matter how many times he denounces them later. Those are seen as just pro-forma statements that he's forced to make because of political pressure. Or as the racists would say, because of the politically correct police.
Bannon has years of history of pushing racism at Breitbart. So if he doesn't actually believe that stuff himself, that means he's cynically cultivating racism to further his political agenda. Honestly I don't know if that's better or worse than just being an out and out racist.
I said that Trump has tried to do these things, not that he's been in any way remotely successful or even competent. Comey's firing is a big deal because Trump was trying to quash the investigation. Does the fact that he's a bumbling buffoon make it better? And you're also simply in denial about Russia. Mueller appears to be getting ready to bring charges against someone. But even on the off chance that none of Trump's people deliberately colluded with the Russians, at the very least they were played and used by the Russians. How is that better? Either way it's the Kremlin pulling Trump's strings.
What I'm on about is that there is absolutely no moral equivalency between the racist marchers in Charlottesville and the counter protestors. These racists are people who believe at a minimum that non-whites should not have civil rights, and a lot of them go a lot farther than that. These are people who want an authoritarian form of government. They are literally neo-Nazis and members of the Klan. They're about as close to being out and out evil as humans get. And you think that's comparable to people rallying to protect democracy and civil rights? Maybe a few of them went a bit too far in confronting these people, but that's besides the point. Maybe there are Antifa groups in Europe that are in the same league as neo-Nazis. That's not what we're talking about in Charlottesville.
I think that Matt Latimer, a Republican and former speechwriter for the G W Bush Administration, put it really well.
Were there people attending a Klan rally in Charlottesville who love African-Americans and gays and Jews and Roman Catholics and believe they deserve equal treatment under the law? Were there people who listened to marchers uttering horrific anti-Semitic slurs, didn’t agree with them, but stayed anyway? I guess it’s possible. But frankly I don’t care. No one should. They were with the wrong group. They should have known better. Evil comes in many forms—overtly from those who hate, but also by those who stand beside them and do nothing.
Tellingly, Trump called out “troublemakers” who were part of the counter-demonstrations in Charlottesville and were supposedly looking for a fight. “Troublemakers” is an interesting term. And a loaded one. It harkens back to all those malcontents in the 1960s who didn’t leave things well enough alone and traveled to the Deep South to protest segregated diners or buses. White racists loved to call Martin Luther King Jr. a troublemaker. The idea was that he was spoiling for a fight and the South was just defending its “values” and its “heritage.”
Is there a time and place for calling out so-called “alt-left” groups that foment violence? Sure, I suppose. But let me suggest it is not right after people have been killed in an American city as a direct result of a march initiated by neo-Nazis and other racists.
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Everyone takes this lot so seriously - They're just pansies larping as Nazis. They're a mirror-image of Antifa.
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They weren't all of the Alt-Right, the Rally wasn't even organized by the Alt-Right or the Ku Klux Klan. It was organized by the League of the South that later denounced the presence of both groups.
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I never said that they were all alt-right. I was commenting on the presence of the extremists there.
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I was more saying that for everyone to read, not just you. Sorry about that.
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