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AgentRustyFox In reply to GhostWriter434 [2017-12-28 14:24:31 +0000 UTC]

Well, it could happen too. I wouldn't mind that either. But why not both, am I right?
In the comics and adaptations, the Baxter Building has had various designs over the years and some are more iconic than others, sometimes it's more classic, sometimes it's more futuristic, sometimes it's both. Usually it's both and if I'm not mistaken, the Baxter Building used to be occupied by people but Reed bought the upper floors which became the HQ of the F4. Ultimately, the neighbors are not happy with the F4 and the constant attacks to the building, so Reed buys the entire building and everyone moves out. If this image happens, this building could be bought by someone else, probably a businessman we wouldn't know, and Reed buys the top floors of the building because of Stark's docking bay, the view, the living room and all the big upper space Tony used for his experiments because Reed knows about the history behind the upper floors. It makes more sense to me, rather than seeing Oscorp getting their hands in the building. Oscorp is usually a "closed doors" company, and the Avengers Tower doesn't seem to fit the Oscorp profile. I don't mind seeing a new Baxter Building as its own building, but it would be a nice nod to continuity imo because the Baxter Building is fictional and so is the Stark/Avengers Tower. Both were big changes in the New York landscape, so why not grab the opportunity to bring some continuity to the building? And who knows... in later movies, after the Future Foundation, the building closes doors because they can't stand the loss of Johnny Storm and they open a new vacancy to someone else. Or they could go back to the building, showing why the Baxter Building is the definite HQ of the F4 and why they moved on with their lives. Tons of possibilities.

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GhostWriter434 In reply to AgentRustyFox [2017-12-28 16:00:15 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, we'll just have to wait and see.

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AgentRustyFox In reply to MrWonderWorks [2017-12-26 23:30:44 +0000 UTC]

Wait right there, my good fellow. Pulling the handbrake... what do you mean you don't want the F4 in the MCU??

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MrWonderWorks In reply to AgentRustyFox [2017-12-26 23:40:22 +0000 UTC]

Because I Sense That Disney Will Ruined Marvel's 1st Family Just Like 20th Century Fox Did, The F4 Should Belong To Warner Bros. As Part Of The Hanna-Barbera Family.

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AgentRustyFox In reply to MrWonderWorks [2017-12-27 21:38:09 +0000 UTC]

Hum... it's a legitimate criticism, but we can't forget Disney has given Marvel a lot of creative space and who better to deliver the first family than Marvel themselves? And you have tons of unexplored stories! The X-Men did have a twist on many iconic stories, but the Dark Phoenix saga is going to be far too different from what we're used to in the comics due to the timeline issues and I think THAT is probably a mistake, but Fox still has contractual obligations.

About the Fantastic Four, there hasn't been a lot of exploration of the most interesting stories. I liked the 2005 movie because they got the basic tones right and there were some clever aspects about it, but the coming of Galactus was butchered in the next movie because there was no Galactus and they promised better team dynamics and they didn't seem to work that well either. Fant4stic was Fox's way to show they wanted to go somewhere different and take risks. With Disney, there won't be that kind of risks, they're usually faithful to the comics but the tones are more modern. And you have amazing storylines to build, I especially love Hickman's run of the Fantastic Four, that's what got me into the Fantastic Four in the first place. It has the meaning behind the loss of family, behind what the F4 stand for and why we care so much about family (and who gets family better than Disney? I mean... they did Incredibles). You have the Council of Reeds that could bring the Infinity Gauntlet storyline to new reaches. You have the Future Foundation, which is Reed's answer to solve everything about the future and ends up going the wrong way. You can still explore Franklin and Valeria and their future selves and why they are so important to the universe. You can still do a faithful adaptation of the Coming of Galactus and even show why Doom is such an important character, not just a villain who just hates the F4 and everyone else or simply a tyrant, he's ultimately looking for the concept of Utopia in his own image and he's sometimes the answer to big problems. They can do a faithful adaptation of F4 main villains like Moleman, Wizard, Diablo, Puppet Master or Super Skrull who are challenging characters to write and make them convincing and unique like the Vulture (I mean, Toomes was not that relevant in most comics, he was just a typical evil businessman, but in Homecoming, he was incredible, powerful and human, with his own flaws and qualities). I think Disney has the tools to make this right, I know it's somewhat challenging, but they can do those characters justice if they do them right and don't repeat the mistakes of the past. They are building a family, not just a team of friends or explorers. One of the shows I used to like about the F4 in terms of dynamics was the "Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Heroes", it's still a bit cheesy at times, but they're a family and they simply work as a team because they all connect which never happened in Fox movies. The stories are so-so, but the format they went with helps their vision of the show. It feels very down-to-Earth and that's a good thing.

I don't think they will ruin Marvel's First Family, they have the tools and the usually they have the right tones about family, and lately, villains have been a bit more interesting too, pulling themes to bring them close to us. They also can't forget the world have moved on way past the 60's. If the F4 were part of the Warner Bros. they would simply have executives all over them, like DC had lately. Full executive control is a bad thing, that's why Marvel has Kevin Feige to oversee the big picture and if something is worrying Disney executives, Feige talks them out and makes the needed changes. That doesn't happen in WB. They simply say: "Snyder is away. People are not happy with Snyder. Snyder's vision is losing us money in long run. Snyder must go out, and let Whedon do full creative control in the little time we have". That's a mistake, because Snyder and Whedon have different visions, you converge both and BAM, things go south. I think it's a good move on Disney, not to mention they also have other major players to spice things up.

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MrWonderWorks In reply to AgentRustyFox [2017-12-27 21:53:39 +0000 UTC]

IDK, I Think Disney And Marvel Should Focus On Deadpool And The X-Men Cinematic Universe As Well For Future Marvel Movies, TV Shows, And Cartoons Instead Of Reviving The F4, Kevin Feige And Bob Iger Should Just Dump The Disney Version Of The F4 And Move One Rusty, 'Cause No One Cares About Them Anymore.

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AgentRustyFox In reply to MrWonderWorks [2017-12-27 22:54:49 +0000 UTC]

I don't know why you're against the F4 and I'm a bit confused about you're reasoning, I mean, if it's because of Fox, they never got the characters right, not even near, while Disney got the basic tones right in other adaptations of the same family genre. People don't care about "Fox's" Fantastic Four, not the Fantastic Four themselves, the characters are so offset in those movies, they tend to scare people away, that's why I didn't watch Fant4stic until very late. It didn't call my attention and I was right, because I know my Fantastic Four, like most fans do, especially the hardcore ones. They still have potential for great stories and I want to see a great story like everyone else, that's why we go to the cinema. You pay money to watch great stories, not just any adaptation. One may feel like "Murder on the Orient Express" would be forgotten over so many adaptations, and they did incredibly well at the box office over other movies! The Incredibles is the most faithful adaptation of the F4 in movie format and they had amazing success creating that world that isn't the F4 or Marvel. The F4 have great reasons to stay inside Marvel, even though some people like you may feel like they have no steam left when you don't even know what true steam is. Fox never made the F4 relatable and they have a lot of unknown potential left. I say give them a shot and if you don't like it, don't watch it. Like Stan "the Man" Lee once mentioned: 'Nuff said!

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MrWonderWorks In reply to AgentRustyFox [2017-12-27 23:02:54 +0000 UTC]

Oh I Know What True Steam Is, And I Think That Like Fox Disney Will Do The Same Thing They Won't Get The Characters Right As Well For The Villians Too.

The H-B Version Of Fantastic Four Has Everything That Neither Both Fox Or Disney Will Never Get The Right Stuff Like Hanna-Barbera Did.

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AgentRustyFox In reply to MrWonderWorks [2017-12-27 23:28:51 +0000 UTC]

Listen, I know you have concerns about change like some fans usually have, but what I'm saying is... give them a shot. I know some people are not happy with some Marvel adaptations or any Marvel adaptation at all, but if we close our minds to everything, then we haven't even tried. Some people express their concerns through hate, but having an open mind is part of the process of exploring the unknown. The cons of trying are: legitimately not liking a certain thing. But hey, that's how life is. Sometimes it gives you exactly what you want, sometimes you try something and it goes wrong. Open mind: That's key here. Am I excited? Yes. But that doesn't stop me from being objective about this.

Btw, you do know that the HB version of the F4 is quite outdated, right? That kind of team dynamic may have worked once upon a time but you can't sell 60's characters anymore, not even that happy intro, at least, not the old way. The world moved on and even though we have a good sense of nostalgia, that's not how the world works. Things don't revolve around us. A whole new generation grew with these stories while we remember what they were before. Embrace change a little bit, and if it doesn't work for you, think of the pros and cons and go a step back.

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MrWonderWorks In reply to AgentRustyFox [2017-12-27 23:52:55 +0000 UTC]

Actually, The Hanna-Barbera Version Of The Fantastic Four Is Never Outdated It Is Still Remembered As The 1st Ever F4 Cartoon Series Ever.

Besides I'm More Of A X-Men Fan Than The F4, At Least Disney Can Create A New X-Men Cartoon Series Someday.

So I Think You Should Change The F4 Symbol With The Avengers Symbol Because Tony And His Team Own The Building Not F4.

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AgentRustyFox In reply to MrWonderWorks [2017-12-28 00:18:38 +0000 UTC]

1) Yes, they are. If you just show that intro to a lot of people and then the cartoon, believe me, people will think those characters belong specifically to the 60's when I've seen other cartoon adaptations of them from the 80's and the 90's and the 2000's that still worked for their respective times without looking 100% like the old comic versions. 

2) I do believe that, but the X-Men will be a lot harder to manage at this moment. I'm sure they will find a way and I hope they do because it's possible and I want to see the very first team done right. It doesn't mean they have to make 100% accurate to the comics, the team dynamics should be more definitive, unless there's some time shananigans. I also love the social-political dilemmas. I like the Phoenix saga for what it is, but it has been touched one too many times. How much more can Fox ruin that story? I also feel like re-watching the old X-Men Fox cartoon (that intro tho!)

3) No, I won't. First, the image used to be the actual Avengers Tower. Second, only Tony owns the building. Third, did you watch Homecoming? Spoiler alert: Tony doesn't own the building anymore. There's an open vacancy and he put everything else on a plane that was hijacked by the Vulture. That plane had every major thing Stark owned and Toomes was trying to get revenge on Stark for messing with Toomes business.

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