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AleLizardi In reply to ??? [2021-08-31 18:49:17 +0000 UTC]

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PinkDuskStone In reply to Derpylovesyou [2016-06-12 18:52:58 +0000 UTC]

TLK 2 is Shakespearean like the first, though obviously with the happy ending, since it is Disney. The first was Hamlet, and the sequel is Romeo & Juliet. It's unexpected for a Disney film at the time to have antiheroes or antivillains, which is appreciated. It's also an interesting story where the villain is a parent, seeing how there is a conflict of loyalty for the child.
The animation, while not up there with the first, is still better than most of the other Disney DTV sequels. The character designs are mostly faithful and the backgrounds are nicely done. The design contrast of the Pridelanders and Outlanders is creative and clever, especially when the latter switches sides. The lighting is also really cool, such as the light shafts through darkness. Just a few animation errors here and there, but they're not really hurting the plot.
TLK 2 fixes some problems with the first, mainly with how female characters are handled. Kiara's the protagonist, Zira's the antagonist, Nala gets more screentime, and even Vitani has her key moments. Sarabi and Shenzi are dropped but it's a step-up to have four major females. TLK 2 also shows that the characters aren't all black-and-white; "good" people do have flaws, and "bad" people do have virtues. Simba wants to make his dad proud but believes that he has to rule just like him when he could never be him; Zira, for her violent and bloodthirsty nature, is a determined, charismatic, and capable leader, even more so than Scar. TLK 2 even gets points for bringing back most of the original actors, and the new ones perform their roles really well. Andy Dick, of all people, sounded tragic and sympathetic in his last scene!
The songs are catchy like "He Lives In You," "We Are One," and especially "My Lullaby." They can even rival their first movie counterparts if the cover and tribute videos are anything to go by. For me, the least favorite would be "Upendi," but it's still harmless and is just okay.
It is a decent, enjoyable film, at least when compared to other DTV sequels. It's easy to write it off as a poor follow-up to a cash cow franchise, but it really is not that bad if you think about it. But that's what I believe.

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Riza-Izumi In reply to Derpylovesyou [2012-11-21 07:01:44 +0000 UTC]

Simba was still king at the end of TLK2:SP.

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Derpylovesyou In reply to Riza-Izumi [2012-11-23 03:21:54 +0000 UTC]

ok, correct me if im wrong I belive Kovu was the new king when the movie was over. Considering him and Kiara is the princess.

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Riza-Izumi In reply to Derpylovesyou [2012-11-28 23:33:14 +0000 UTC]

Yes, Kiara was / is the princess, but she didn't become Queen when the movie ended. And Kovu would never be king, he'd be the prince regent.

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MrIdiotFace In reply to Riza-Izumi [2013-03-30 04:50:34 +0000 UTC]

What do you mean, Kovu would never be King?

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Derpylovesyou In reply to Riza-Izumi [2012-11-28 23:38:51 +0000 UTC]

Your argument is valid, either way I do not care for the lion king 2, one of disney's worst sequels.

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Riza-Izumi In reply to Derpylovesyou [2012-11-28 23:42:32 +0000 UTC]

I like TLK2:SP, but I think most sequels suck. Off TLK topic, what did you think of All Dogs go to Heaven 2?

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Derpylovesyou In reply to Riza-Izumi [2012-11-29 22:57:46 +0000 UTC]

Same here with the sequels, some movies are better left alone. And my thoughts on All Dogs go to Heaven 2? I did not really care for it. The fact that Charlie stayed on earth in the end ruined the hole moral of the story in my opinion. But it has been a while since I saw it, but I remember it being very poor.

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Anonymous13-B In reply to Derpylovesyou [2013-07-20 03:26:24 +0000 UTC]

I'm not generally a Don Bluth fan, so I can't really compare the two sequels, but Red is an awesome villain!

"It feels so good to be...BAD! Ah ha ha ha ha ha!"

Great picture, by the way!

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ssjnaomi In reply to sbrigs [2011-06-18 21:30:40 +0000 UTC]

I've found out that Nala's eye color is a big debate within this fandom. Personally, I think her eyes are a blueish green or turquoise because in the VHS movie they change between blue and green, but in the DVD and SP movies they are blue. The colors for TLK characters differ between these 3 versions I've noticed.

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sbrigs In reply to ssjnaomi [2011-06-19 03:55:07 +0000 UTC]

yeah I think turquoise but I feel their closer to blue then green

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Riza-Izumi In reply to sbrigs [2011-06-18 03:23:00 +0000 UTC]

Because female characters are usually hated more than male characters.

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sbrigs In reply to Riza-Izumi [2011-06-18 03:36:31 +0000 UTC]

well people are always saying that Kiara was dumb or whatever I mean she's a lot like Simba was and just look at the end of the movie when she says "them?us? They are us" that was one of the deepest things I'd ever seen in a Disney movie!

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LadyKakata In reply to sbrigs [2011-06-18 18:23:35 +0000 UTC]

HA

It's not deep, it's a selfish idiot trying to make lions stop fighting just because it upsets her

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sbrigs In reply to LadyKakata [2011-06-19 03:56:07 +0000 UTC]

or because they'd kill each other if her and Kovu didn't stop them? but whatever lol

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LadyKakata In reply to sbrigs [2011-06-19 05:21:30 +0000 UTC]

Kiara doesn't care one iota about the pride war until the every end of the film, and has no good reason for the fighting to stop, other than it apparently doesn't please her

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sbrigs In reply to LadyKakata [2011-06-19 07:31:42 +0000 UTC]

okay well its not like she was stopping something good, Martin Luther didn't like the how the Roman Catholic Church was conducting itself so he made an entire Reformation all because something didn't please him. You act like Kiara is stopping a freakin tea party, she was trying to keep 2 groups of lions from killing each other all because Zira was off her ass crazy

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LadyKakata In reply to sbrigs [2011-06-19 10:45:48 +0000 UTC]

Difference: Kiara's sudden heelturn in stopping the war was just to redeem her character by the writers. All through the movie she has whined about not wanting to be Queen and complaining about her father. When she finally has the chance to run off with Kovu (and he outright tells her she should), she suddenly decides to stop the war she had absolutely no interest nor motive in doing so. Why? So the writers can show that she's essentially 'good'

Does this make any sense? Absolutely not; Kiara has shown herself to be utterly selfish and self-centred. She didn't care when Simba came back from the walk with Kovu injured, she doesn't even bother to try and help carry him back to Pride Rock. She doesn't care to hear from her father what exactly happened on the walk; she instantly decides that Kovu, the coward she has known for a grand total of two days, is the innocent one and her father is always going to be the bad man.

Kiara is not trying to stop a tea party, but she is also not trying to honestly understand and stop a war that has its roots from before she was born. She obviously has no interest nor care in the history of her lands or family or the responsibilities that go with both; all she cares about is her 'love interest'. Suddenly deciding 'Oh, hey, let's reunite our divided prides' comes flat out of nowhere and only because the writers needed to somehow finish the final act in one of the most hilarious bullsh!t moments in animation.

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Kari-Usagi In reply to LadyKakata [2011-06-27 02:49:30 +0000 UTC]

+1 I think the same xD

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sbrigs In reply to LadyKakata [2011-06-19 10:55:01 +0000 UTC]

you just completely made her look like a villain like seriously she did care about Simba when he came back injured and Pumba caught him when he fell so she didn't really have a chance to pick him up besides he's twice her size I mean idk about you but there is no way on Earth I'd be able to support my Dad if he wasn't able to walk at all by himself I'd probably get a total of 3 feets because I'm 5'4 and he's 5'11 and weighs a hell of a lot more then I do.

Of course Kiara is selfish but then again think about it wasn't Simba? Simba didn't want to go back with Nala and fight Scar because he was happy in the oasis he had no desire to go back and be King. Hmmm sound familiar? Oh yeah his daughter who didn't want to be Queen!

And love can happen in a day I mean yeah she was serious with Kovu for like 2 or 3 days but think about Romeo and Juliet, depending on which version you read Romeo and Juliet ; fall in love, get married have sex and die, all in a period of 4 days. Love has no amount of time it can take months or it could take hours.

Is Kiara the smartest lioness ever? No, but she's not dumb either she's Simba's daughter and thats whats good about Simba's Pride, it was a father daughter movie I mean to be honest idk how much I would have liked a straight out Kopa story because I can't relate to it!

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LadyKakata In reply to sbrigs [2011-06-19 11:25:57 +0000 UTC]

So why does Pumbaa, an animal less than a quarter of his size and weight, carry him? Kiara is trained (supposedly) to take down very large animals like zebra and wildebeest. She should have some muscle and training to at least take part of her father or do SOMETHING to support him on the way to Pride Rock; instead, she glares at him like it's his fault that he didn't tell her that her chicken-sh!t boyfriends didn't save the day

Simba's reasons for not going back to Scar and the throne were very obvious; HE THOUGHT HE HAD KILLED HIS OWN FATHER. The psychological guilt prevents him from running back, even as an adolescent as well as the thought of the hyenas (as a cub) murdering him if he stepped back into Pridelands soil. Unlike Kiara, he realises that he cannot run away from his past and must step up to the plate to take on his responsibilities (a marked difference between TLK and SP. TLK is about personal responsibility and taking charge of your own actions. SP, like many movies today, is about 'destiny' and says nothing about simply being responsible for your acts)
Kiara's lack of desire to become Queen is total bullsh!t for one very big reason; the entire point of the first film was to establish how desirable the crown was. Simba looked forward to being a King as he had, at the time, the childish idea of being a King in that it was 'getting your way all the time' but he is gradually educated to the grander scheme of what being a King entails. Scar also wants the crown, his reasons to do with ruling a land and it's people (in essence, the 'grown up' version of a childs selfish wants but more sinister as he wants total control of a land and it's people and to be lauded like his brother). Indeed, in SP Zira herself desires the crown by-proxy for her son to both fufill Scar's supposed wish for him (I highly doubt Scar ever met this crazy wench; Scar is too selfish to think of what to do with the land after he's gone; he's in it for his own selfish wants and won't care what happens to the Pridelands after he's had his 'rightful' in his eyes time with it).
So Kiara saying she DOESN'T want the crown comes off as moronic. It's throwing back the entire point of the first movie in the faces of the viewer, with no reason why she shouldn't want it. All she says that it's 'no fun', which is the total opposite of Simba's reason in TLK why he wanted the crown. This essentially says that she doesn't want the crown as she sees it as burden and responsibility, but she never says what else she'd do to fill that void

Kiara and Kovu's romance is entirely contrived, and 'falling in love' in 2 days is laughable. Simba and Nala had a deep childhood history and as adults they rekindle their friendship into romance. This was what the writers probably aimed to do with Kiara and Kovu, but utterly fail at as Kiara makes a blatant pass at Kovu minutes after meeting him, so any careful, layered friendship building for future romance is thrown completely out of the window. All they had was that one meeting, rather than the buildup of Simba and Nala. Pointing out that they are at the opposite sides of a war compounds the situation; if the writers couldn't come up with ways for them to at least have some good time together or wait until adults to do so, they shouldn't have done it in the first place. Please also note that in Romeo and Juliet, Juliet was 13, which makes the situation creepier as it's suggested that Kovu is much older than Kiara

Kiara is stupid, selfish, unreasonable, and downright unlikeable. Simba from TLK had some bratty moments, but he was fun to be around as he had a genuine zest for living. He was genuinely sorry and upset when he angered his father. HE risks life and limb to save Nala (graveyard) and even becomes intensely angry when something threatens something he loves (he goes from fear to rage when seeing Shenzi about to eat Nala, and protects Nala behind him by snarling at the hyenas)

It wasn't a father-daughter movie. Simba and Mufasa had a genuine bond in TLK and neither was unreasonable to the other. Simba and Kiara don't have that bond as both seem to hate each other on occation. An animated Kopa story is hard to judge as we don't know what direction the writers would have taken him. There have been whispers of a prequel for years (featuring cub Mufasa and Scar/Taka) but I honestly hope they don't do it; it didn't do 'The Little Mermaid' any favours, and there are already at least two prequel-ish stories out there ('Tale of Two Brothers' featuring Mufasa, Scar and Ahadi, 'Friend in Need' featuring Mufasa, Zazu and Sarabi which is a personal favourite of mine, and 'The Brightest Star' featuring Mohatu)

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sbrigs In reply to LadyKakata [2011-06-19 11:47:23 +0000 UTC]

No sequel is ever as good as the first movie and rarely does it ever live up to the first. I mean the only good movies and sequels I can think of are Pirates of the Caribbean and StarWars (which their movie release order was a hot ass mess lol) but Kiara was designed to have the "pretty and spoiled" factor.

And it wasn't Kovu's fault that Simba brought him to the Outlands Kovu couldn't have possibly known what was waiting for them and Kovu did make an attempt at saving Simba but realistically a male lion going against even just 2 lionesses aren't good odds in the lions favor.

And we have no idea what kind of relationship Kiara and Simba had I mean to be fair I can relate to her because my Dad is super overprotective too which can get really annoying because when your a sheltered child and its your parents fault that they didn't give you a heads up of what the real world is like then you go crazy and just do what you want and hate having to listen to their shit at all but you still love that person no matter what. I don't live with my Dad and I don't talk to him everyday but that doesn't mean we don't have our good times or our fights like Simba and Kiara.

It annoyed me in SP however that we really don't see a lot of Nala and Kiara's relationship or if she trained Kiara to hunt because Simba seemed to be against the idea of putting his daughter in any kind of danger what so ever. WHICH brings up another good point, I firmly believe that if a kid is screw up its the fault of the parents which brings me back to paragraph 2, maybe if Simba had spent more time instilling some curiosity and leadership importance and ways then he did telling her what to do all the time she might have had a little more common sense and there would be less messes to clean up.

As far as her and Kovu go... I like Simba and Nala better but I wouldn't say their a bad couple I mean Kovu grew up getting shit from Zira all day and night pushing him because he was "the chosen one" which is a down right creepy thing to call anyone because it sounds cultish. But she would have done anything for power, Zira didn't care about Kovu she just needed a puppet to get her throne back. Which was Simba's problem; he has a daughter who will become Queen and she needs a King to continue a royal blood line and since no one knows what happens to Kopa (if he died, was killed, w.e) There needs to be a king of pride rock.

As far a prequel goes I mean it can go either really good or awful because it wont really ruin TLK1 but the story could be dumb but I'd like to see the art work if they do make it because it'll probably be really good and I'm also curious to see where Scar got his scar and what they were like as kids but idk Disney needs to go back to their old ways because lately everything they produce sucks

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LadyKakata In reply to sbrigs [2011-06-19 12:08:25 +0000 UTC]

Oh Christ, the Pirates of the Caribbean ... The second movie had some good things (Davy Jones, the Davy Jones theme), but the third was just a complete mess. I really don’t understand WHY they killed Chow Yun Fat’s character halfway through, or why Jack’s father had to enter. The greatest characters just arrive, fully formed, into the world with no real backstory and certainly not as children (think Darth Vader and the fanrage there) and Jack is one of those. Plus, Johnny Depp seems to have forgotten Jack’s real character halfway through. In the first movie, he was weird yes, but he was also sinister and threatening at times, giving him a genuine air of moral ambugiity. However, in the second and third films he just ran around flapping his arms like an embarrassing gay stereotype, it was immensely painful to watch (as painful as Keira Knightly suddenly sue’ing it up to friggin’ Pirate Captain)

I don’t get that side as overprotective parents annoy me, and Simba’s asshattery is a massive shame to his previous character in TLK and the character displayed in SNA.
Nala’s role is an important part as it’s something that both pro and anti SP fans tend to mull over. Nala in the original film was fierce, free thinking and didn’t take anyone’s crap. Both Simba and Nala have been toned down for SP and Nala has blatantly taken the Queen Sarabi role to Simba’s Mufasa (honestly, I’ve compared screencaps, it gets offensive at times). But the key thing here is that Sarabi was proud, independent and shown to have a genuine bond with her child, while Nala’s job seems to be just to talk Simba into doing things to let the movie continue. Apparently giving her blue eyes makes her idiotic and stoned.
Kiara’s failure as a hunter is neither parents fault; that is a character trait put in specifically to make her more ‘relatable’ to the audience in have her be clumsy and bad at something. This does not work for the sheer fact that lionesses are the hunting powerhouses of the Pride and her mother is shown to be a skilled and ferocious hunter. It’s used to bring Kiara and Kovu closer in a contrived way and I don’t buy it being her parents fault since it’s more a writing quirk than a genuine parenting fail.

The Cult thing is accurate; Vitani is a grinning drone in her mothers army and the other Outlander lionesses have no reason to stay with Zira other than the promise of glory and good times. They could have disbanded and gone elsewhere, or even picked up an unrelated male and become their own Pride, but Zira’s charisma and promises of good times make it so they just mill around uninterestedly until it’s time to fight something. Zira comes off as intensely creepy in a number of scenes, almost to the point of incestuous (‘You have the same blackness in your soul that SCAR had ...’. When did lions have souls?) and Vitani is no better at that

Disney have totally lost their way and I’ve honestly given up on them. I don’t enjoy Pixar either. My eye goes more towards Dreamworks’ 2D works and I honestly thought they were going to rise and usher in a new 2D animation age with Prince of Egypt (serious and artistic) and The Road to El Dorado (more child-like but still epic and great to watch) but alas they seemed to have fizzled out, or just plain given up since they weren’t pulling Disney crowds without realising you need time to let the fanbase build like Disney had. Other 3D works are also more worth watching, although I despise aspects of 3D for effectively killing 2D, but I cannot find it anywhere in my heart to hate Kung-Fu Panda. I adore that film and the love and attention that the animators poured into the backgrounds and atmosphere, and most of the voice-actors into their characters (Fuck you Angelina Jolie) is just beautiful to watch, plus Tai Lung has a genuine reason to hate and want revenge on Shifu, rather than just being evil for evils sake. And I identify with Po and his severe lack of self-esteem and gushing fan nature. I haven’t seen How to Train your Dragon yet, but from what I have seen it gives quite a lot of attention and character development as well, and it’s nice to see a character that communicates entire in gestures, body language and minor noises

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sbrigs In reply to LadyKakata [2011-06-19 12:24:06 +0000 UTC]

Yeah in Pirates the middle two were the worst but idk if you saw it but On Stranger Tides was freakin epic, it brought the spot light on Jack and not Willabeth (ur right Elizabeth started to become a fairy) and it brought Black Beard who made Jones look like a pussy when he was only on screen for 10 seconds and Black Beard was bad ass and also Angelica, who did a great job form Penelope Cruz (I loved her and Johnny since they did Blow together) and she was funny and witty and a all around match for Jack because he's like "hmmm I kind of want to do her but I also want to hide from her" the entire movie. Haha it was pretty good.

yeah Simba definitely got annoying once he became a parent but thats what happens to most people when they become parents they're life is for that kid. I mean Nala was better than Simba if you ask me because she maintained more of her old self then Simba did. Kiara probably got her clumsiness from Simba because even in the first movie Nala was able to outsmart and pin him all the time so it could be just because she's a cluts and Disney wanted to make her a cliche like freakin Bella Swan.

I actually like the outlanders, I mean they were crazy but it was kind of entertaining in a way like Zira was crazy and she was able to convince all these lionesses to stay with her when like you said they have no real reason to stay with her.

Dream Works is good but they slowed down a bit, I mean I liked Kung Fu Panda and Shrek was great I loved that movie, I always find myself quoting that movie because my friend sucks and singing so I'll always quote Shrek with the "Stop singing! No wonder you don't have any friends" line lmao but I can't do a Scottish accent to save my ass -_-

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LadyKakata In reply to sbrigs [2011-06-19 12:59:21 +0000 UTC]

I am cautious about the forth movie as I don't believe that Johnny Depp has learned his lesson and watching him screw up his own character is irritating. I may catch it on DVD since I adore Ian McShane and Mr. Gibbs (It's frightful bad luck!) and I'm dying to see these horrifying mermaids that are being talked about

Simba wasn't clumsy in the first film; Nala was a superior fighter to him and she had her own technique to flip him over her head (by pressing her back legs into his stomach, therefore pushing him off) that Simba later uses in the move to defeat Scar (hence that seemingly random closeup during the battle). Nala dreamily drifts in and out of the movie and I consider it a gross insult. Queen Sarabi showed that consorts could be as powerful and wise as the ruling regent (look at her during the confrontation of Scar. THAT is how a consort is done), but Nala merely swans around telling Simba to go hump Kovu or let their daughter get killed on occasions. I initially thought she was stoned and stupid with hideous blue eyes, but when I wrote Quality Animashun I kept getting screencaps of her making really sinister expressions. It's more fun to theorise that she knows what she gave birth to and is trying to kill it off before it breeds again

The outlanders had no real personality other than what fans ascribe to them (Dotty, Beauty Spot, etc). Zira had REAL potential in that she was an evil and manipulative mother, but the lack of a genuine bond that she can use to strangle her children undercuts that, and she is just a less subtle rip-off of Scar in many ways

XD I am actually Scottish. The first one was okay, quite good. The second one I loved, I couldn't stop laughing when I saw it in the theatre and I think I was one of only three or four that got Puss' line 'I hate Mondays' that day. Third one ... I honestly don't really want to see, nor any others as I've seen some clips and it's clearly jumped over the hill for the sake of money. I desperately hope that Kung Fu Panda doesn't do the same

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