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Published: 2016-07-05 06:35:41 +0000 UTC; Views: 7196; Favourites: 55; Downloads: 31
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I know, I know, "what if the Confederacy won the war?" is the most over-done alternate history in the entire history of alternate history, after "what if the Nazis won WWII?" My excuse for making this is the fact that most of those alternate histories paint a North-and-South-Korea like competition between equal opposites, a scenario which just doesn't hold much water.ΒLet's face it, the Confederacy had much more in common with the violent and unstable nations of Latin America than with the U.S. or Canada. It had a small, rural population, a society deeply divided along racial lines, an underdeveloped manufacturing sector, a huge concentration of wealth in a land owning elite class, a small and impotent government, an unstable cash crop export economy, and so many other systemic problems that it probably would have have been in chaos within a few decades.
Here the C.S.A. has been reduced to the Deep South states and the Upper South states have either voted to abolish slavery and return to the Union or formed their own republics over the course of the 1860s and 70s. Some time later, a Mexo-American alliance takes further territory from the C.S.A., encouraging secessionist movements in Texas and Louisiana in order to create manageable client states.
I considered including the ideas of an independent Mormon republic, independent Black republic, or American annexation of Canada, but without further departure from OTL those didn't seem very likely, though they are worth exploring in other scenarios.
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Comments: 14
Empire-of-the-East [2017-09-08 08:33:45 +0000 UTC]
UI am from the south and I actually agree with this. I find the CSA splitting up post victory more interesting than CSA staying together post victory, and perhaps more realistic too. So many of the massive timelines of dixie winning feature the CSA either:
A) Gaining Cuba
B) Gaining North Mexico
C) Both of the above
D) Completing the golden circle even though i highly doubt they'd do it and still be "American" in the usual sense of the word after taking on such a largely Hispanic/Latino territory.
E) Robert E. Lee being president at one point, even though he's old and I've heard he's not much interested in it. Seriously if I ever write a ACW timeline or include the ACW in one of my timelines and decide to make it a side focus, I will not have Lee be president. Maybe have him offered to do so but he turns it down. Besides he wasn't that keen on slavery, his presidency might cause further secession because they fear emancipation from him just as they did with Lincoln.
F) The CSA staying together intact up to the 20th century with almost no problems whatsoever. Even though they lack a strong central government and most timelines don't seem to really fix that.
G) Sometimes all of the above
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AlexanderAbelard In reply to Empire-of-the-East [2017-09-11 06:53:52 +0000 UTC]
Tell me about it, cookie-cutter scenarios. Even my not-at-all-into-AH girlfriend knows how cliche they are. Apart from that, glad to have a Southerner agree with this. The Serbs keep picking holes in my Balkan scenario.
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Empire-of-the-East In reply to AlexanderAbelard [2017-09-11 23:33:34 +0000 UTC]
Indeed, it's honestly like, I've lost all interest in CSA timelines. In most of my timelines now the CSA if independent would just be a side thing really. In all honesty if I somehow decide that Byzantium surviving can still allow for USA/CSA existing [My ongoing ERE timeline still has a VERY undecided New World history with me drawing out map idea after map idea but constantly changing it], I'd at least have them in a world where some new bits of timeline can happen rather than just a copy-paste from some other bloke's timeline that is a copy paste from another timeline that is a copy paste from another timeline and so on so forth.
We could probably make one giant list ofΒ all the CSA timelines and we'd probably actually see at least two that are written by different people but damn near identical in how the world plays out.
Sure the ERE is done a lot too, but at least the ERE has a lot of POD potential and their timelines still try new things.
And yeah, I won't comment on the Serbs thing, but yeah, nationalistic people are bound to poke holes in alternate history in all honesty, especially when their country doesn't do so well in the timeline at hand.
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menapia [2017-06-30 21:38:11 +0000 UTC]
It's surprising just how many Confed alt-hists there are, one of the Alt-History websites finally created a new folder just for them so timeline writers could faff around with new daft ideas of how Dixie could winΒ
That one by Turtledove where neo-nazi time-travellers turn up and just give Robert E. Lee's army a shed load of AK-47's is a doozy
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AlexanderAbelard In reply to menapia [2017-06-30 22:00:44 +0000 UTC]
The wheel turns...
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AlexanderAbelard In reply to LaplandAr [2016-08-19 03:16:06 +0000 UTC]
Thanks, though bear in mind that this was basically a tongue-in-cheek mockery of confederate victory scenarios.
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10jskbuilder [2016-07-11 18:15:32 +0000 UTC]
Well...Looks like Mexico decided to take advantage of the war and get some lands back.
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AlexanderAbelard In reply to 10jskbuilder [2016-07-12 04:58:31 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, with the U.S.'s help even relatively weak Mexico could push around an internally divisive C.S.A.Β
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bruiser128 In reply to AlexanderAbelard [2016-07-19 23:14:47 +0000 UTC]
So would this mean that Mexico is doing much better in compared to OTL?
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AlexanderAbelard In reply to bruiser128 [2016-07-21 01:54:20 +0000 UTC]
Not tremendously better, but it would have the extra resources and living space of New Mexico and Arizona to support it. Hard to say whether having six weaker republics directly to the south would make the U.S. more or less controlling towards other American countries though, so Mexico might face military strong-arming by the U.S.
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bruiser128 In reply to AlexanderAbelard [2016-07-21 02:02:56 +0000 UTC]
At least the hispanic problem of the USA is mostly butterflied away because of this annexation.
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AvatarVyakara [2016-07-05 18:47:25 +0000 UTC]
...yipe. I mean, yes, Canada is still there, so that's all good, but that's a lot of damage...
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AlexanderAbelard In reply to AvatarVyakara [2016-07-06 00:58:50 +0000 UTC]
At least the U.S. (such as it is) wouldn't have the south dragging it down.
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