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Published: 2017-01-20 00:03:41 +0000 UTC; Views: 2817; Favourites: 40; Downloads: 14
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Brexit can do funny things to a country...Features the saltire of St. Patrick's Cross of Northern Ireland, the white and green of the Irish Republican tricolor, and the Celtic triskelion.
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It would look great on a football or Irish hurling team uniform, and it doesn't use the Hand of Ulster
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Irish unification is still pretty unlikely though; the Protestant-Catholic divide has eased a bit, but not that much. However, Scottish independence is a very strong possibility at this point, especially if the smart money turns out to be right about economic woe in Britain post-brexit.
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Never say never, we've got rid of articles 2 & 3 of the Irish Constitution where claims were made that N. Ireland is part of the Republic, now it's legally recognized that unification can only take place after a democratic vote by the Northern Irish people.
Re; the religious divide both north & south have become less sectarian and less inclined to take bullshine from the religious hierarchies - we're now in the process of trying to take back our own schools out of the hands of the Church and a whole generation up north has mostly grown up in peace...there's no way they'll let a pack of malicious power hungry bigots dictate their future to them.
Brexit is goin to be a bitch and the only ones that'll be happy will be the I.R.A. & U.D.A. smugglers and racketeers
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All true, but don't a majority of Northern Irelanders (particularly around Belfast) consider themselves more Scotch or English than Irish?
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Definitely not English, but I went to school with a guy whose family had moved down from the North apparently they consider themselves Irish(just different) and U.K. citizens. I suppose that with the divergence caused by separation from the rest of the Island has created a Ulster sense of community
Disconnecting the North from the South had negative effects such as a 310 mile long border that zig-zags across the landscape like a drunk motorcyclist and is a frigging nightmare to police, it also deranged the all-Ireland economy - looking at things like railroad connections and roads that were being cut off and of course the I.R.A. and their opposite equivalents made tons of cash smuggling over the border and running protection rackets.
A weird fact is that the Ulster dialect of Irish Gaelic is similar to Scottish Gaelic & Manx, I remember our teacher playing a series of tapes from the North and the accent sounds very scots and the way certain words are said are different from the rest of Ireland
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Interesting. If unification did occur, am I right in thinking that it would be the first time that the entire island was under a single, unified, native government?
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That's the generally accepted view, yes. Though there were some very overreaching High Kings who debate might be said to have unified the island, by the standard of political unification you'd expect in the early middle ages.
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Eh, no - Ireland was united with England, Scotland and Wales because of the 1800 Act of Union, prior to that Ireland had it's own national Parliament albeit hamstrung legally on certain points(i.e. no national army or foreign affairs) because of Poyning's Law.
A few years before the Act the Parliament was slowly moving towards practical reform with the influence of the American Revolution backed by a patriotic Irish Volunteer Militia movement, large scale and generous bribery was brought into play to persuade sufficient members into backing the Union - many were simply given cash, land, estates or titles of Nobility.
I have a 1912 Edition book about the Irish Parliament and it lists who voted and their supposed bung/bribe - 84 towns and regions were stripped of political representation but if you were the local lord and often the local rep. you got a bribe sorry compensation of £15,000(a farmer at the time might earn £40 a year!)
The old Irish Houses of Parliament stand at College Green in Dublin and is now used by the Bank of Ireland, it was the first ever purpose built legislature building in the world, like most of the best bits of Dublin City it was built in Georgian style during the rule of the Irish Parliament
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Yes, I said "native" to exclude governments like the Kingdom of Ireland or the Lordship of Ireland or the Dominion of Ireland, because those governments were all dependencies of England or Britain.
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Eh, there used to be an argument that Ireland and England were separate realms that just used to share a King, that's Arthur Griffith's argument when he wrote "The Resurrection of Hungary". But we did have native government before the Anglo-Irish Treaty like the Irish Confederate Parliament in Kilkenny - apparently one of our family ancestors was a member, the old Irish Kingdom Parliament was Irish elected - many of the members were definitely bent but they were definitely Irish .
Most people didn't use the name Dominion of Ireland but Irish Free State(Saorstat Eireann)#, note in Irish Gaelic Saorstat was the original term used to describe a republic and it was one small concession got from the treaty.
But we did screw a number of concessions even though limited by the treaty - One even though it wasn't mentioned explicitly as a right was that we created our own written constitution with a number of republican style safety checks and balances not mentioned in British Constitutional law....still aren't really. While we had to share a King we no longer had to take any further bullcrap from any Brit ministers.
One of the best descriptions you could find on how the Free State worked is the book by Darrell Figgis who sat in on it's creation, I've got a copy in my antique book collection but you can also download a free copy from Archive.org quoting the author's name - unlike the U.K we created our own written Constitution which gave definite protection to Civil Liberties and enshrined Habeas Corpus....something the Brits still can ignore since it's based on two Bills introduced in the reigns of Charles II and George III - check out the D.O.R.A. legislation to see how the brits drove a truck straight thru that right.
They also borrowed republican ideas from the Weimar Constitution and Switzerland like the citizens right to the initiative and the right to call referendums, it was actually quite progressive
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Yeah true, but a funny thing to think about^^
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