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Published: 2011-07-01 04:45:11 +0000 UTC; Views: 1301; Favourites: 29; Downloads: 16
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Tyrannosaurs again. Kind of fun to draw, actually. Another years old drawing, un-retouched y human hands. If done today, I'd likely add feathers to the chicks and maybe the mom holding one of them down. Hey! She needs her sleep too, you know!Oh yes, I make no apologies for the manus positions, to anyone, paleontologists included. If T-rexes could not pronate their hands, then, basically, considering the position of the upper arms, I contend their hands are drawn basically correctly.
If some scientist wants to claim they could not lift their arms like this, I have to wonder what they think the ol' rexies did when attacking prey, making little bitty rexies, or playing poker.
If theropods' arms and hands are as stiff and immovable as some scientists claim, then they would all have broken something. Think about it: imagine you cannot move your arms and hands beyond a few inches in any direction and have to fight someone, they'd very likely break their hands and wrists, and claws, and---you get the idea.
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Male: "Trisha, get the children off of me"
Female: "I can't Terrance..."
Male: "But why???"
Female: "The children or an me too..."
Male: "Son of a BITCH!"
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Female: No bitches here! Dogs won't come along for a LOOOOONNNNG time, dear. Your turn to feed the kids! Go and hunt something up!
Male: What's the pizza shop's number, Trish?
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I like the idea of T-Rex as good parents 
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Rex: Hey Rexy. How much longer do we have to pretend that we're their parents?
Rexy: till lunch time.
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Then they take the kids out, pretending they're the brats' aunt and uncle, so's they won't be too embarrassed by the kids' antics.
Ahem! Some fossil evidence indicates T-rexes acted as family untis, like lion prides, which is cooler and more dangerous than them eating their young.
Would Gojira eat HIS kid???? NAH!!!!
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and when they are away from everyone else, THEY CHOW DOWN! OM NOM NOM!
And there is also evidence to support that old rexy was a cannibal!
And no. he wouldn't eat his kids. but he would stomp on their tails because he was getting annoyed with the fact that his son can't fire a heat ray from his mouth. it HAS happened!
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Alright! BOTH you silly dragons go out for some pizza!
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Beautiful sketch!
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Good critique, TP. When I drew this ten or more years ago, the matter of pronation was not in the forefront. However! 
Thanks for the info and the compliment! And, just so I know, WHY can't theropods pronate the hand???? 
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Well, I heard that the range of motion of theropod forelimbs was severely limited, especially compared with the forelimb dexterity of humans and other primates. Most notably, theropods and could not pronate their handsβthat is, they could not rotate the forearm so that the palms faced the ground or backwards towards the legs. In humans, pronation is achieved by motion of the radius relative to the ulna (the two bones of the forearm). In theropods, however, the end of the radius near the elbow was actually locked into a groove of the ulna, preventing any movement. Movement at the wrist was also limited in many species, forcing the entire forearm and hand to move as a single unit with little flexibility. In theropods, the only way for the palm to face the ground would have been by lateral splaying of the entire forelimb, as in a bird raising its wing. Hope this helps.
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I am beginning to wonder about the pronation theory. There are times when paleontologists have had us believe sauropods walked with their legs splayed like lizards. Duckbills had to have eaten soft, gooshy water plants so their teeth would not fall out. Tyrannosaurus could not go faster than two (yes I said TWO) miles per hour. Dinosaurs dragged their tails, when no dino trackway showed tailmarks, while lizard and coc trackways did. Therizinosaurus cheloniformis ate termites. ONLY termites. Deinocheirus mirificus hung upside down from trees like sloths. There were no fossilized dino babies, they were too delicate to fossilize (always able to put away thoughts about the Burgess Shale lagerstaeten specimens, but why let truth upset their theories?), and all the tiny dino fossils were small adult dinos.
Lessee....what else....? THIS one gets me; since T-rex was tall, and the cranial cast shows they had good eyesight, T-rex was a scavenger because it could see carcasses for miles in the forests in which it lived. Horner put that utter balderdash in his Tyrannosaurus book.
I am not making fun of decent theories that were proved wrong by new findings. But were any of the aforementioned theories ever anything but ridiculous?
I have a question. A serious question, because I do not know the answer. I am basing this on my experience with my own arms and my own aches and pains: do ANY endoskeletal animals that have arms have radii that do NOT attach firmly to the ulna? (What's the scientific name for "ulna" anyway???) I know ligaments allow for some movement, but were the ulna-radius areas FUSED? If they were fused, I concede the point for now. If they were not fused, I think they could have pronated their hands at least somewhat. I'm not arguing this because I drew nothing but pronated theropods hands, because I didn't. All the sketches and paintings I uploaded to DA with theropods don't have very many pronated hands. The Family Scene tyrannosaurs' hands LOOK pronated, but check the positions of their upper arms. I just thought bunny hands looked silly on big predators, though I don't doubt I draw/painted some myself.
That's all fer now....
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To be honest.....I don't know the answer.
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One thing to remember: given the relative sizes of arms/hands to bodyweight, if they were as stiff as some paleontologists say, then the poor theropods would ALL have broken their arms, wrists, and hands into uselessness. One has GOT to take into account that when these beasts were alive, their bones were attached to one another with ligaments. Ligaments are flexible. Not super flexible, but they ARE flexible.
SHEESH! This allows for movements not immediately obvious just gazing at stoney bones. Things that allow for no movement are boney processes that actually block rotation, like the process that keeps your elbows bending only in one direction. IF the process does not completely inhibit movement, then the bones were most likely capable of at least some small amount of movement relative to one another. Look on SV-POW for their work on sauropod necks and camel necks and so on. A very informative, very enjoyable site, as you probably well know! According to just looking at the bones, many modern animals do impossible poses, but they do them anyway.
Oh YES! I finally got a cool idea for a Tyrannosaurus AUTOBOT! I think you'll like it, but it won't be tech smooth, just a rather strange drawing.
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Ok. I've went to SV-POW, it's a pretty cool website
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Okay! Grimlock! I'd like to say "Interesting!!!", but I can't. 
I do not have the time to try and design smoothly drawn/painted Dinobots, since I'm basically just starting in doing mechanical/ manmade stuff, but I think I'll come up with something cool.
As for Grimlock's dino form...I threw away my first attempt at a dinobot because it was so rancid, but it was genius compared to what I saw, IMO.
There are so MANY versions of Transformers, they make little sense to me. The idea is great, exploring something DC Comics MIGHT have originated back when I was a kid, millions of years ago. Dunno when Hasbro started the toys, and dunno when Transformers started, if not with Hasbro.
The comic stories I saw were weird and very imaginative. IF I remember correctly, the creatures appeared in a Metal Men story (which is just BEGGING to be made into a movie!) in which the Metal Men were stranded on an alien world in which the wildlife was gigantic and were robots. DC had some cool stuff back then, totally unbelievable but weird and interesting, with a skewed logic all their own. The stories, that is!
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I see.
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Interesting. I doubt if HP would have used the patronus charm, more like defindo (spelling I don't remember) which would have disintegrated the Transformers. The wizards have some mighty dangerous spells besides avada kadavera, some of them aimed at destruction, period. Avada kadavera (spelling?) removes the soul from the body.
I say, you see...see what????? The Grimlock dinobots I saw looked like this-----> only not as menacing. Grimlock is supposed to be one of the mightiest warrior Transformers, but he looks like a joke compared to his rep. I mean, he might be able to whup Optimus Prime, but he looks like a bad Leggo model when in dino form?
Of course, this only applies to the pics I saw, about a dozen, of Grimlock as a dinobot. There might be some killer versions....
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Really, before Harry Potter could even finish spelling the charm, the Transformers would have vaporised Hairy Potty!
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Voldemort could take them out.
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Soundwave would send Laserbeak or Ravage to kill Voldermort.
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Depends. Have you ever read the books? The Transformers, I take it, are non-magical. Non-magical beings have a hard time against magic. Their size would help, but it all depends on who catches who off guard. Wizards vary greatly in power, and Voldemort was one of the most powerful wizards, almost god-like in power.
Of course, Rowling didn't write her characters to go head-to-head against the Transformers. You want a battle, send them against Charnalthon or Orgothor.
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Well, I have read the books until The Prisoner of Azkaban (I mostly watch the films).
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I might be getting more into them myself, if my life doesn't fall apart first. I seem to have some people working hard towards that end.
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Things seem to have gone back on track, for a while. As for the T-rexy Transformer--I got some cool ideas, but do not expect scientific accuracy. I'm going to go for dramatic effect.
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I am....AHEM!!!!!...designing my own! Yesssss,,,,,, And where do you get your happy little tyrannosaur? And I might also do a T-rex Decepticon! 
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I think mine will look a little more organic, but I DO believe they will be....interesting! You seen my cool new dragons from Kathulon yet? If you ain't, drop by and leave a comment. I'd be interested in knowing what you think...
And, to judge from the only Transformers movie I've seen--->2<-----, not all Decepticons are evil.
And where does your tyrannosaur emoticon come from?????
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Well, it's actually a raptor emoticon, which is (: iconraptorlaplz
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Jetfire? Was that the old Decepticon? He was my favorite character in that movie. I like Optimus too.
Oh... He's saying, "I want bigger ARMS!!!!!!:
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Yes, Jetfire was indeed badass!!!! BTW in the Transformers film series, my favorite characters are Optimus Prime and Ironhide.
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I am not very familiar with who the individual Transformers are. What's funny to me is this: Transformers reminded me more of some cool 19th century shape-changing furniture than anything in the 20th-21st centuries. I might have the century wrong, but furniture craftsmen at one time made furniture that would change shape and function. Of course, it was all done with wood, metal, and loads of incredible ingenuity, not machines, engines, and computers.
And I am not joking. I'll see if I can get more info if you want.
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Well, since you're unfamiliar with who the individual Transformers are, here's a picture of Irongide from the latest film: [link]
BTW I didn't know there were shape-changing furniture....
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Interesting stuff! The next time someone complains that my writing confuses them, I'll tell them to look up Transformerswiki for a taste of the real thing! Whew!
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Seriously, T-Prime, sometimes, when some people read my writing, I think they skip over half the stuff, not even skimming, to judge from some remarks I've had. I used to be a member of a certain literary site and uploaded a sci-fi horror fantasy for reviews. Most of the reviewers liked it a lot, which was good. Some had good critiques and most of the readers wanted me to write more about the world I had conjured up. Fine.
One older fellow asked me a pointed question, having to do with an aspect of the story which pissed him off. "Why is Adlington hunting the big cat? You never gave us a reason why! 
So far, no big deal. He could honestly have missed the paragraphs where Adlington promised the owner of the hunting preserve to bring him back the cat. He could have missed the part where the owner of said preserve told them the only way they could survive was to bring back proof they got the cat, even just a hair, He might have missed the part where Adlington was told that the demon cat was hunting HIM, so killing the cat was his only option for survival.
I politely told my reviewer about the scenes and directed him to them. He wrote back angrily that I had given no reasons, so I'd better not argue with him.
My kindest thoughts concerning what should be done with people like that do not bear repeating here.
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