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Kara belongs to my sis. But Kara is innocent minded even when killing another. She doesn't realize it's bad or good on what she kills
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"innocent-minded even when killing another". Cute.
But as you know, being innocent minded does not make one innocent.
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So are you saying to break her heart anyways? Because I'm not doing that. You may be cruel enough to do that with your god complex, but not me.
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Well... let's be fair here. How many hearts do you think she breaks?
And in her case, that's literal. Oh I do love clever wordplay.
I suppose you're right about me being cruel, but I'd take that any
day over being you and having my own creations walk over me.
I suppose in the end we will simply be two entities that do not agree.
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So your saying a child like this deserves to have a heart broken, that two wrongs make a right. I think you have a moral issue. I may have Wolf walk over me, but i'd rather do that than lower myself to that kind of standard of making children cry by killing their father.
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Well both the child and the father kill others, so what about those they kill?
Do you think they cry as their life bleeds out? Or do you think they look up
at the eternal sky, knowing they are about to die and are helpless to stop it.
Not that I am especially interested in them, but for someone so quick to
morally berate me, you seem to have a very biased view yourself.
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we're not talking about who they kill, we are talking about you trying to convince ME to kill a little girl's father. so my point stands that you are one so easy to do something like that, even if the girl is made up. You would be okay with this whole idea. So don't try to change the subject and even think I consider myself to be perfect because I know my faults and killing someone because they annoy me is not one of them that. That seems to be something you do as you admitted from the start with your characters. I don't see myself as a god in any way the way you do with your characters. I only set up adventures to let my oc's run around to make decisions for themselves. Even though Wolf torments me, I will not stoop that low a level to fuel my own ego of satisfaction at the expense of others. If you were not interested in them at all then you would have dropped the subject of me killing Wolf from the start.
Wolf: Yeah cause Alpha is too much of a pussy to do anything about it.
Shut up Wolf! I am not bias over myself about morals, I know what they do is wrong. Wolf does it because he's an asshole and Kara does it because of her nature and she doesn't know any better as a demon wolf, That doesn't give me a right to play god and kill one without having regard of others that my deed might impact. That is also something i see from what you say that you don't seem to understand when you try to play as a god killing anyone who annoys you.
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I don't understand. Maybe you've developed the wrong idea about me.
I create my realms and generally don't interfere. My many universes are like spawning pools.
Oh sure you can pour something into the muck once or twice to see what happens, but for
the most part it's fun to see what develops from the bio-broth. I am not trying to convince
you to kill Wolf or any other character. If you want to get beaten down, be my guest.
But what I do not comprehend, I question. And I do not comprehend the logic behind your methods.
It is the Trolley Dilemma at its finest. Killing Wolf or Kara would save more, yet it would mean you
directly influencing events, a scenario you are less than fond of. Do you not see how such reasoning
is a factor of curiosity for me? The logic loopholes you create are intriguing. I want to analyze them on a deeper scale.
((You realize that this is my persona Phantom speaking, not irl me, right?))
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((yeah that's why I still have Wolf insulting me to go with this))
I don't choose to get beaten because I lack physical or inner strength, I do so because it takes a stronger person to show and act on integrity than to take the wrong and easier way out. not to mention the consequences that could and will come with it. I have thought of killing Wolf but that just leads back to bringing me to thinking of my own selfish desire than thinking of who it will affect. Also I would not ever consider thinking about killing a little girl to save others. It's all simple really if you ask yourself this. "are you willing to sell your soul to get something done?" There are other ways than killing to solve something.
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You speak of consequences. What consequences do you fear?
The answers seem to be only your mind. You are your own obstacle.Β
One way or another you lack the power. Physical power or willpower. I do not know which.
In what way would such actions be wrong? You brought them into reality.
They are yours. Food is eaten. Toys are played with. Farm animals are slaughtered.
It is the way things are.
Ah, I see you're bringing souls into this now. To answer your question, I would
first have to ask two in response. Is the soul a tangible object I would miss having?
Is there a benefit in keeping it? What am I achieving, and does it better benefit me in the long run?
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you seemed to have lost your soul already if this doesn't seem to bother you at all. I still have mine because I can see the consequences when you can't. Even if I explained them to you, you still would not see or understand. the consequences are both different and the same to every person who makes the choice. I am my own obstacle but that obstacle will make you less of a person or being than before if you choose to handle that obstacle in a careless way. I do have the power to use to my advantage but, like I said before, if I misuse it, I lose a piece of what makes me strong in the first place until it leaves me a shell of myself. Empty, alone, and weak. now I pity to see what you've become to have power and control over what you created.
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I see you've taken the "holier than thou" route. How quaint.
Allow me to put things in perspective for you:
There are billions upon billions of planets in this place you call a universe.
Few of those planets can support life, but even .01% of such a high number is
almost incalculable to the human brain. Life exists elsewhere, or is created elsewhere.
Do you honestly, truly think the majority of the universe shares the same
morality mindset as you or the rest of your race? There is no such thing as a "moral"
or a "soul" in the real world. All of these are concepts you fabricate.
You are only strong to yourself and your race, but at the end of the day, no one is giving you a medal.
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that's a sad way to see life. You pretty much just said life has no meaning that if moral doesn't exist then there is no right or wrong and everything we do is for nothing. You only base your theories on things you can see or touch physically. I don't take the holier than thou route because none are holier than another. Everyone makes mistakes and stumbles in life. the only medal you are given is at the end of your life and how everyone sees the good you've done for yourself and everyone else instead of living a life of ignorance. If there is no such thing as a soul or moral, why are humans separate from the animal? Why do humans live knowing wrong from right and animals just live by instinct and not progress in life? that's the perspective you choose to ignore because it either offends you or you are afraid of the truth. Your theory is just as the same as evolution. It is just theories and assumptions based on limited to no information to back it up. I know now you won't agree because you will continue to blind yourself to what can be and instead just go with the flow that there is no purpose. All I can say now is I wish you peace of mind with the mentality you got yourself stuck into.
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Oh, I never said life has no meaning. Slow down there kiddo. You could skin a knee jumping to conclusions like that. I have lived a long time. Oh sure I could restrict myself with the yellow moral tape line, but what would be the fun in that? When you've seen things through my eyes you realize how pointless arguments like yours are. There are an infinite number of universes where you are your own worst enemy. Where all your creations fear and respect you as mine do to me. Those that acknowledge your good deeds die off eventually. Then both you and they are forgotten, or slowly fade to the point where they might as well be.Β
To answer your questions, humans are separate because they chose to be, then force others to follow in their footsteps. Society structures your species as much as it imprisons them. Efficient, yes, but natural? Far from it. Humans are merely a higher form of consciousness, able to express more love and gratitude than the average dog, but also able to express infinitely more cruelty. Predators do not attack without reason. Prey do not help their enemies. Humans can do both, because they have the mental freedom to do so.
So, you mock my information and my mindset. You tell me I lack sufficient data. That I make theories to support false illusions.
Then tell me: Where is your data? Where is YOUR proof? Provide me with the information to back your statements before debasing mine for the same reason.
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There are things we can't explain because we are so limited and stuck only knowing what is physical. You do say that there is no meaning in life when you say there is no moral because it is moral that keeps us from becoming like animals that live by what they are programmed to do by nature. animals don't live by morals and by that logic, they don't have a purpose in life other than to just live and die. you speak about humans like all we do is corrupt things when you fail or ignore to mention what humans do BY morals that give us the choice to fight against those who want to force others to do what they want. Humans have the choice to become what they want by the choices in life they choose to make. even just as many as one person remembers the great deeds of others that is all that is needed to give inspiration to others to learn from that person. They don't have to know what they looked like or know their name. They are remembered by the lessons they leave behind and therefore are never forgotten. I do not mock you, I simply state the truth because that is what a lot of people who don't believe in purpose feel. people who are insecure tend to reject the truth.
My proof is the miracles that happen that science or logic can't explain. My proof is people themselves that have the choice to follow morals and become great or disregard morals and become spiteful of everything. people are the living proof with their will to have freedom. We learn, we create, we make mistakes, we falter, and we make the choice to succumb or overcome. you can't learn this stuff from books or computers. You learn it by exploring life with an open mind and analyze everything and see both sides.Β
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So your proof, in a sense, is that you have none?
I see...
I have explored life with an open mind. I came to this conclusion naturally.
Humans are entities with consciousness, but they are simply lifeforms with more neurons than their relatives.
And you are arguing from a human side of view. A singular species. A view that has no evidence other than apparent faith.
I simply do not agree. That is all.
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It's sad you, yet again, need physical proof to believe in something. You only study from a distance and not try to interact with others on a personal level. That is how you begin to see the proof. You sound like people I have ran into who are too ignorant to do that and think they have all the knowledge they need based on things others have found out rather than going out to see it for themselves. they do this because they don't want to find out it is true and that's how I feel you feel the same way. You don't want to believe it because you don't want to believe in something that goes beyond the physical being because you are afraid that everything you thought you knew to be all is just a tiny piece of everything that really is. I give humans as an example to have others try to find it out with their own kind. Β we are all not just some accident that happened in the universe that was caused by nothing. there is something out there that did create everything whether it was some kind of greater force. if you studied into the Intelligent Design of this world compared to evolution, you will know that an accident made from nothing into something could not have made everything that works in our solar system so perfectly. It is your choice to not agree because that is the freedom of choice and will you are given.
also another proof is that the simple fact that no species is a utopia. no civilized species can live thinking all the same way or believing all the same thing because they have a will and freedom to make the choice to agree or disagree with their own kind. I don't know if there are more of your kind, but if there were, you would know that not all of them would believe or think the same way you do.
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Your arguments correlate with something I have heard before... a very long time ago.
I believe it was a species similar to yours. It made similar arguments. Brought forth similar cases.
I see...
You are trying to preach religion.
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no I'm not. if you think intelligent design has anything to do with a deity, you're wrong. Even people who study it don't believe in any god, but they do know there is a force other than evolution at work that made the creation of the universe. and religion isn't based on some supreme being. Religion could also be something like what you strongly believe in. Atheism, science, or even something like money. Religion is something you worship, devote your life to, or something you truly believe in like what you do. so in a way, you try to preach religion of what you truly believe in. you assume with a closed minded mentality to think things can be so simple to figure out that you don't see things that could have a deeper meaning.Β
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Well pardon me if I don't land on the mark every time.
Even beings like me make mistakes. Especially when they're
trying to differentiate one conceptual view of life from another.
It seems to me that you believe in a force you cannot explain.
A force that has guided your own race, or at least played a part in it.
I will not say I disagree. There are plenty of deity-lifeforms, and plenty
of beings those deities would consider "gods". Life has many magnitudes.
Humans are neither at the top or bottom of the universal food chain.
If that is how you want to view the universe, so be it.
But for a creature such as myself, no force exists for me to believe in.
I am one of those which create. Not one of those which was created.
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I know you won't land the mark every time, no one can do that. We are all mortal beings and we tend to make mistakes, but that is also our way of learning. we always learn from our mistakes and the past to advance in the future.
So what created you and what created the thing that created you? That is a force you cannot seem to explain either. There are things you will never be able to explain and you have to then rely on your faith to try to understand what that thing is. I do believe in a greater force that created the universe. I have felt that force through my soul. Science has proven that it doesn't have the answer to how life started and it never will because science is limited to physical evidence. But I still stand by my point that Intelligent design proves there is something greater at work in creating the universe from galaxies to the smallest microscopic organism and how each thing has a specially crafted function that has many mysteries to unlock that can advance our progress in life. Perhaps you should take a study in intelligent design. you don't have to believe in a god to study the subject, all you need is the will to learn more.
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I have existed for an eternity. I may very well have existed since the start of existence.
Yes, the creations and universes I call my own are a relatively recent event, but I have been alive for far longer. Even I can't remember what my life was like back then. The creatures I created. The things I may or may not have done. No entity is capable of storing so much information within them. Time makes things fade.
That does not point to a higher force. Only chance.
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Chance is another way of saying things happened by accident. That is the same belief of evolution of the big bang theory. Again you base things on physical forms. You say time makes things fade but for some unexplained reason, you do not share that fate. You say you existed since the start of existence so you admit something greater than you did create you and every single thing inside you to function perfectly to allow you to live this long. Because not even chance can create something like you without a purpose for it. believe it or not, something did create you to have a purpose and a reason to live this long. you may have strayed from the true purpose for your own desires, but there is no doubt that purpose is there no matter what.
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Oh we could argue hypotheticals all day, but the fact remains
that if there is a purpose, I don't know it, you don't know it
and in that case there is no reason to fulfill it, is there?
I find it much more rewarding to pursue my own interests.
If this entity or force that spawned me wants me for a specificΒ
purpose, I'm all for it. But until then I'm going to have myself some fun.
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just because we don't know it doesn't mean there is no point to it and just give up. but what is certain that it is greater than anything than you or I can imagine, but you are too afraid to try and find it for some reason. Not trying to offend you by saying that. Everyone fears about finding their real purpose because of what others may think of us or something else. I would not think of you any less if you do fear searching for you purpose because of something that keeps you away from it. people who do fear it tend to take the lower and easy road so they don't have to deal with fear and live a more hollow life. that is normal for all kinds of beings living in this universe.
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Well, if you say it's so normal, I see no reason not to deviate.
You tend your garden and I shall tend mine, weedy as it is.
...but at the end of the day, who decided weeds were bad?
It is clear that we are of two different worlds, physically and mentally.
I can assure you you could not see things from my perspective, and
I have trouble fitting myself into yours. Perhaps this is a conversation
you should have with a fellow human, other than a creature such as myself.
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I do see things from your perspective, that's what having an open mind is. You just told me you do and believe what you think, because it's what you want. I can think the same way despite having the ability to live an eternity, but I choose live a life that would give meaning than one, as you said, is just about doing things that is for your own comfort and enjoyment. It doesn't matter what physical form we have, it's about our mental capacity and spirit to go forward rather than stick in one place. Staying in one's comfort zone will only take you so far if you are not open to do learn things that may offend you, but learning things beyond the comfort zone will take you far beyond what you ever knew possible.
you don't need to be immortal to know many things. I know there are people who have haven't reached their mid life and know more than you and I could about life and it's mysteries.
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Okay then. You've piqued my curiosity.
What do you suggest I do?
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Learn about things outside your zone of comfort. Even if they are things that seem dark, untrue, or unknown. This could be other fields of science, cultures, or even spiritual beliefs. I don't believe in Islam, as it is the complete opposite of everything I believe, but I try to see what it is about other than what others tell me to understand it so I don't have to rely on other's study of the religion and could say "I have studied it." and they can't tell me I don't know what I am talking about. That is just a small example of what you need to do in order to learn more about the universe with it's ways of science, spiritual, nature, and it's cultures or different species. if someone tells you something about what they think is true, find all references about it and do your own research about it without being bias or ignorant about it. Not saying that is what you are, I'm just warning you that is what people do when they don't have the ability to learn.
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Perhaps I will give your methods a try.
I already archive much of what I know, and that includes information
on the very examples you just gave. But perhaps there is a difference
in storing information and processing it. Perhaps I must re-check myself;
Run the equivalent of a computer defrag.
That is what I will do. A deep clean.
Sounds about right.
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what you learn depends on how you learn it. Be careful with the choices you make when do.
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Can you please leave me out of this?
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