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Published: 2017-06-03 10:14:11 +0000 UTC; Views: 11713; Favourites: 118; Downloads: 124
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Just a quick picture for practice, the tree is a mostly but non-exhaustive one.This is not an easy thing, ofc you can also declare every dialect or new oversea dialect its own language, so I had to find some compromises sorry.
The tree only shows european languages of indo-european heritage, no basque, hungaryan, estonian or finnish.
Special thanks to my language master that corrected my tree several times^^
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This tree is awesome! A cool idea would have been to add some "dead branches" for extinct languages, for example the East Germanic language family (Gothic, Vandalic etc.).
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Thanks and yes even thought about it, but my sources were not good enough^^
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This tree is so cool. And I like how basque is never on ones like this. Totally unique, isolated language.
Also, out of curiosity, if Esperanto had to go on this tree somewhere, where would it go?
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Thanks man, glad u like it!
Esperanto is mostly based on romanic words, so it would be on the romanic/ latin branch for sure.
A German created it, but he used mostly words from those languages^^
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Slavians are older than Greeks. They older than Mezopotamians.
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I think they r as old as Greeks, as they are all indo-europeans.
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Trying to learn german, it helps a lot that i can speak english.
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Best is to follow german language youtube videos!
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Yes itΒ΄s based on German and bit Polish^^
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Thx^^ ItΒ΄s too simple tho
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Cool! I like your idea to give the larger leaves to larger-spread languages. And the smaller ones to less common languages.
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Ah I only made the ones of indoeuropean heritage^^
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Oh, yeah, Hungarian is a mystery all its own....perhaps that's why I myself can be so, since I am one-eight Hungarian
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ItΒ΄s not so mysterious they came from the eastern steppes and settled down in Europe,
but their language is not related to the other european ones but to finno-ugric^^
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Hm I don't know what but you made something to your tree that it looks like scientifically correct alga XD
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They are healthy^^
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Yiddish kann gekΓΌrzt werden, der Ast ist krank.
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Armenian, Albanian, Greek "Special tree" for the win.
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Yes they mustnt be forgotten <3
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That's really cool! But, before Lithuanian and Latvian split off, wasn't the Slavic branch known as the "Balto-Slavic" branch?
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It was indeed, what I havnΒ΄t done is to split the big branches like that.
I only wanted the branches to hold the language groups, else it would get
really complicated.
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Ah, o.k, Yeah, it would be a bit complicated.
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It's an amazing picture of the main europeans languages
May I suggest minor changes ? By eg divide Hellenic language into a Attic-Ionic Branch and Dorian Branch ? Because if in Antiquity KoinΓ© & Dorian were just dialects, nowaday Tsakonian is very different from Modern Greek and is considered as a clearly distinct language.
Β There is also some minor Ionic languages : Cappadocian, Pontic and Italiot Greek (Griko & Calabrian).
Β And you forget an european branch ^^ : Iranians, even if they're mainly in Asia, some of them are in south-east Europe in Caucase : Ossetians & Tatis 
I've a question too, for the size of each "cloud"/"foliage", did you chose the number of speakers in Europe or in the World ? Because in both case the size of French seems wrong in Europe French speakers are more numerous than Spanish or Portuguese, in the World we're more numerous than German speakers and close to Russians
See: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_β¦ (even if the L1 speakers number on wiki is false : French, Walloons, Romands & Franco-Canadians are already more numerous than 80m speakers, so if we comptabilize L1 speakers in French Africa ... L1 French speakers are numerous in CΓ΄te d'Ivoire & SΓ©nΓ©gal by eg)
Β And another question, will you add "death branch" for major dead languages ? By eg Eastern Germanic languages (Gothic, Lombard), Gallic, Lepontic Celt, Dalmato-romance, etc... or did you prefer to focus on living languages ^^ ?
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Sure u can, I think this is the most updated picture I ever had, everyone knows new corrections XD
You are completely right with the Greek divisions, but I wanna keep it compact for now :/
I could also split the gallo-italian languages into 5 or 6 languages, but thatΒ΄s an overkill.
The iranian ones might be a good idea, and since I took Armenian I might consider to take other
caucasian ones too.
I also wondered why my basemap suggested those sizes, can u recommend a size? German should be
the native european speakers only, idk if they did it differently for English and Spanish, and for German and
French not. What do you suggest?
No death branches at the moment, but maybe in the future^^
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Honhonhon beware there is always corrections in linguistic topics ^^
Β I understand, it's already a big tree^^ To be fair Cappadocian & Pontic are sometime considered as dialect dispite the important turkish influence on this languages, so if you want a simplified version Modern Greek / Tsakonian could be simplier
Β Yeah, there is no "standard Gallo-Italian" so it's difficult to picture them as a whole, but I've heard that most of them are close to each other, except Venetian, it's seems that Venetian is more "intermediate" between Gallo-Italian, Italian & Dalmatian, but I'm not sure.
I guess it's okay to let them together, the Romanic branch would be too chaotic if you divide Gallo-Italian ^^' I even see that some people want you to add Wallon : don't listen them, Wallon is a langue d'oΓ―l (like standard French, Picard, Norman, Gallo, Poitevin, Berrychon and others minor langues d'oΓ―l) if you start to add them, you will have to add too many languages ^^' just keep French
Hmm if you want european speakers only, try these numbers : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languageβ¦
It's seems the numbers are a little olds (France have 66 millions of inhabitants nowaday, so the 65 millions of French speaker is probably a little old) but the old bias seems to be the same for every language so it's okay.
Β If you want the world speakers, I don't really know, don't use ethnologue.com numbers, they clearly underestimate French and Portuguese (and perhaps English, I didn't check for them, too many different data ^^'...), it's seems they underestimate Africans L1 speakers for Europeans languages. So I guess all their data are false ...
Perhaps you could use their total number instead of L1 perhaps that would correct the bias
Β If all language have their own international organization (like the Francophonie), that would be easier because they estimate themselves their numbers of speakers, but many languages don't have this kind of organization :-/
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Yes I keep French^^
Ok I will see if I can change the french size, idk why my base reference made it like this.
But after all itΒ΄s just a rough graphic nothing for a history book XD
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I've seen that you've updated this image... it's possible to add the Venetian Language?
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For you always 
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Very thanks!
Too much gentle!
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I really like Venezia so it deserves it
Maybe I will be there this summer.
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Oh, it's Ve(ry)nice!
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While on the subject of Germanic languages, I devised what I call "Ergebisch" ... with the intent to troll certain people. (As for the Arabic script letter for the Zed, it was an unconditionally affectionate nod to the Belarusian Arabic alphabet .)
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Wow IΒ΄ve never heard of that, that is epic oO Where have u heard about that
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If you mean the Belarusian Arabic alphabet, I just came across it online.
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Really fascinating, well I meant both^^
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I created Ergebisch, remember? Besides... Ich hab' noch mehr fΓΌr dich! (I had to figure out what the Grinch said there.)
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