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ArtFrenzyBoris β DARK KNIGHT RISES AFTERMATH REVIEW(dialog's down)
Published: 2013-08-08 19:56:58 +0000 UTC; Views: 9064; Favourites: 269; Downloads: 54
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THIS HAS got to be thw HARDEST piece i've done so far!I mean 7 characters in the same room!WOW!took me about 5 hurs to color it all!Anyway here we have the main characters of the DARK KNIGHT RISES talking about their movie counterparts!
Practicly i used the characters to kinda describe my own opinion on the characters!
SO HERE IS THE DIALOG:
Alfred:MY WORD,I WAS BARELY IN THIS MOVIE!
Gordon:NOW WASN'T THAT ONE BADASS COMISSIONER!
Catwoman:ANNE HATHAWAY WAS PURRFECT!
Bane:I DID ENJOY SEEING ME BRAKE YOUR BACK AGAIN BATMAN,BUT I WONDER WHY THEY DIDN'T GO WITH THE SPANISH ACCENT
Batman:WELL ITS ALWAYS BETTER THAN THE BRITISH JUGGERNAUT IN X-MEN 3
Bane:GOOD POINT
Talia:THAT IS OUTRAGEOUS!COMPLETELY OUT OF CHARACTER!I WOULD HAVE NEVER STABBED YOU BELOVED!
Batman:LET IT GO TALIA,ITS JUST NOLANS INTERPRETATION...
Talia:WELL I FIND IT UNFITING...!
Nightwing:SO THERE WAS A ROBIN IN THE NOLANVERSE...
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Catwoman
Talia: I did not. I put something in his drink to make him more cooperative and more inclined to make love to me.
Nightwing: Yeah, date rape!Β
Catwoman: Thanks.
Gordon: Iβm so arresting you.
Talia: It was in the Tropic of Cancer. Which is well outside your jurisdiction, Commissioner.
Gordon: Shit.
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XD Just love everyone's reactions here.
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Loved the reactions especially Talia and Alfreds.Β
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LoL, that was awesome. The dialog and the art fit so well together.
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I love their reactions, and as for Talia's depiction in the movie I think that was one of the most accurate depictions of her yet. A heartless evil monster doing what ever daddy tells her to do that's classic Talia.
In case you couldn't tell, I really don't like Talia.
Nice pic by the way.
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Bane is actually depicted as speaking perfect english in the comic books, It's only in the Animated stuff and the Arkham Games that his accent is played up needlessly and he says a lot of gratuitous Spanish words.
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Batman died in this and when robin finds the bat cave that's it no spin off what so ever they said that was the last real life batman film
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Lol, funnily enough, fits my opinion a bit too, though with an added 'They SO messed up Robin's character' and 'My God, Batman was SO dull in this film; I'd rather see a film with just Catwoman beating people up'.
In X3's defence though (and considering how much I hate X3, its pretty hard to defend it), Juggernaut being British actually fits, since Xavier is British too in the films and, while they never mention it in the film, they are brothers after all. Plus, Vinnie Jones was a pretty good choice for the role, unlike Tom Hardy here.
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In case you didn't know, Bane is half-british in the comics.
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I'm fully aware of that; but, he never spoke with a British accent, he was never shorter than Batman, and he was never utterly ridiculous as a villain (OK, he was, but not THAT much).
My problem isn't the casting of a British actor for the role; as a proud Brit I applaud casting British actors, my problem is that Tom Hardy was just a terrible choice for the role. He was too short and the voice he used was just goofy. You can't take him seriously as a threat when he sounds like Sean Connery wearing a Vadar voice changer. And lets not even get started on the writing of him.
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Are you freaking kidding me, Bane was written great here (definitely better than his appalling portrayal in the first two Arkham Games) and on that note, Who would have been a good choice for Bane, Dwayne Johnson? A Wrestler?. Nolan would never cast either. Tom Hardy was great as Bane and I know alot of people unfairly rag on his voice, But i Liked it, His voice reflected his intelligence perfectly and I didn't give a rats ass that he wasn't spanish (Honestly, The south american brute from BTAS hasn't aged particularily well.
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Did I say they should cast the Rock? No, but they should have cast someone who looked scary, and Tom Hardy, while he looked tough, he didn't carry the terror that Bane was supposedly projecting. Hell, for christ's sake, he's nearly a head shorter than Christian Bale. Sure, camera tricks make them look about the same size, but Bane is supposed to be intimidating, he should have towered over them. There's plenty of actors they could have gotten who have a scary-ass presence and still be able to be calculating; Tom Hardy though just isn't one of them.
And no, he wasn't, he was REALLY a terribly written villain; his motivation is weak ("a girl I like/care about/is never specified how I feel wants to avenge her father, so I'll help!"), he pulls things out of his ass (knowing Batman's identity can be handwaved; him knowing the super secret location of the tumblers, something ONLY Lucius and Bruce knew, is an ass-pull), and how he beats Batman makes no sense (not feeling any pain when you get punched isn't a good thing; Bruce's punches would still cause damage, just the pain meds would make him not know how bad it was; realistically, he'd either fall unconscious then and there, or he'd wander around a bit before collapsing from a concussion because he took a harder beating than he could take; pain tells us when we should quit, it serves a purpose). Really, he was only a threat because the plot needed him to be, and nothing about him was as threatening as they tell us it is. He was a major case of al tell and no show.
The problem was that it tried too hard to avoid making Bane JUST a brute as so many adaptations have made him. They always ignored his intelligence and just made him a drugged up brute. But this time, it was the opposite: He was JUST a calculating genius, without the muscle to make him actually on par.
And while the voice reflected his intelligence, it doesn't change the fact that it was really silly sounding; Rises was supposedly a serious film, so why does the badguy sound like something you'd see out of a goofy action flick? If this was a more comic-booky film like the Marvel films or Green Lantern or anything like that, then the voice wouldn't have been a problem, but Nolan wanted to stress that the films weren't comic-booky (which is both insulting to the source material and fans of the source material, but I digress), and wanted to make a cold, calculating and serious villain, so the voice just weakens that and makes every scene with him impossible to take seriously.
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I found Tom Hardy extremely intimidating as Bane and on a side-note, Who do you think should've been cast Instead?. As for Bane's motivation, Heres a line that was cut from TDKR's script "I never escaped. Ras Al Ghul rescued me, Thats why I must avenge his murder and fulfill his destiny". Thats his motivation and as far as I'm concerned it's no less valid than wanting to take over the world with reptiles out of jealousy (Avengers) or turning a city into lizard people for a day because they're lonely (TASM) and it's a hell of a lot better than go after Batman cause someone paid him to like in BTAS or The Batman.
As for Banes voice, Different strokes for different folks. I personally felt it was very fitting. As for physicality, He was built like a brick shit house. No he wasn't wrestler-sized, but I honestly wasn't expecting him to be. So in conclusion, I completely disagree with the Tom Hardy was a miscast idea.
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Actually, that makes no sense at all. Ra's rejected him and cast him out, why would he want to honour the guy? Sure, rescuing him was nice, but he still sent him away and repaid all the sacrifices he made for Talia with rejection. Not to mention, Loki was at least also motivated by fear (had he refused, Thanos was going to kill him; The Other pretty much tells him if he screws up he's dead), and the Lizard honestly believed turning people into lizards like him would be an improvement since no one would be sick or injured (not because he was lonely, not sure where you got that from). Honouring Ra's could have worked, but it was messed up by the Talia plot twist and the fact Ra's rejected him; if they cut those aspects out, at least he'd work better.
Not to mention, as you said yourself, it was cut. You can't count it as a valid explanation of events if it was cut, since the only way to know that is from out-of-film reading. Its like the Transformers films, pretty much half the plot points of the second one are explained in tie-in comics, and because of that the plot makes no sense at all.
We're just going to have to agree to disagree. I found the voice silly and his hight made him look unintimidating compared to Bale (though, the costume design didn't compliment his physique well, so maybe if he wore something which showed his muscles it might have worked better, but that coat actually just made him look pudgy). Hardy's a really good actor and he did his best, but Bane is not a role I feel he should have been given. Hell, he could have played any number of smaller, but still intimidating villains like Prometheus or Deadshot, but Bane is not a role I feel he was suited. I'm sorry, that's how I feel.
As for who I'd cast? Personally, I don't have a choice in particular for who I'd cast as Bane, mostly because Bane's not a personal favourite villain, but I'd ideally prefer someone who was at least a head taller than Batman's actor, be built like a tank, and be impressively smart on top of that, be fluent in Spanish, and while I'm OK with him being white, I would prefer him to be Hispanic, since that's what he was in the comics, but he doesn't have to be.
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Ras didn't reject him right away, He inducted him into the league and gave him a path to follow. And even if he exiled him later, It's not like he sent him back to the pit or cast him out because he hated him, He did so because Bane reminded him of his faliure to protect his wife. So, yeah I'll say that Bane had more reasons to be grateful to Ras then to despise him. Anyway, I guess we are gonna have to disagree but I felt Bane, voice and all, was a great reindition of the character and much better than the luchador-for-hire the TAS, Arkham Games have cast him as and the height difference, completely negligible to me because Hardy was built like a Tank. I also can't really think of any actor who'd fit what you just described Bane should be.
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He'd still hold a lot of resentment; plus, when they talk about it, he seems to glance of sadly, so it did hurt to be cast aside like that. But, yeah, we're not going to agree on this, so best thing to do is agree to let it go.
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Rescuing him from "The worst hell on earth" vs Just kicking him out of the League to go his own way? Not seeing Why. Even if it did hurt his feelings, I think he still understood why he did it.
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It'd be like giving someone hope then taking it away. He rescued him and reunited him with Talia, but then after making him think things would work out he told him to get lost. It'd leave quite a bit of resentment. Hell, both Talia and Bane seemed quite resentful of Ra's for doing it, which made Talia's wish to honour his death also a bit questionable (I suppose, as her father, she wants him avenged, but still).
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I don't think so, When Talia revealed herself and explained their backstory, She made it clear that she understood why Ras exiled Bane even if she didn't necessarily agree with it. I think any resentment Bane would have felt would be we outweighed by his gratitude for rescuing him from the pit.
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This is definitely something elseΒ we'll need to agree to disagree on. Generally speaking, I'd think the last thing he remembered Ra's doing would be the one that he remembered most clearly, since people tend to remember the worst parts of someone more than the good parts (and honestly, kicking him out because he reminds you that you failed is a pretty selfish reason; its understandable, but a sign Ra's needs to confront his failure rather than hiding from it).Β
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Oh Boy, Even if Bane held some kind of resentment towards Ras for excommunicating him, I think he'd still feel indebted to him for rescuing him from the pit "the worst hell on earth" Just like Talia resented her father for what he did but forgave him once he actually died.Β
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Again, I disagree. People don't tend to forgive someone based on earlier actions, no matter how great they are (IE, you could save a man's life, but he'd still be pissed as hell if, years later, you destroyed his home or something; the nice act should come afterΒ the screwing over part), especially since Ra's seemingly integrated him enough into to the League before kicking him out, which would make kicking him out all the more cruel. Either way, it makes Bane's wish to serve Ra's questionable at best. Again, this could have been an acceptable answer had they not thrown in the rather pointless 'he kicked him out for reasons' bit, is all I'm saying. There was no reason to put that in, or the plot twist about Talia beyond a quick 'Hey, its them from the comics' (especially since Talia is REALLY in-name-only in the film).
But, again, we clearly disagree on a lot concerning this film, so arguing on like this is getting pointless.
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You think that even though Ras rescued him from the pit, Bane would still hate his guts to the point of dancing over his grave because he exiled him for reasons both Talia and Bane understood even they didn't necessarily agree with them? Maybe Bane did resent Ras somewhat for what he did, but I don't think it would be enough for him to be glad he was dead.
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Yes, I do think Bane would have an issue with Ra's doing that. Maybe not be glad he was dead, but I don't think he'd be willing to go out of his way and give his life to finish Ra's cause; Bane's loyalty to the man who tossed him aside for what's essentially a rather petty reason is baffling to me, since he really has no reason to want to honour his death, especially since the plan to do so would kill Bane too. And frankly, the idea Bane would be that loyal to a man who mistreated him like that, despite the good he did, really demotes him as a villain, since it makes him an overly forgiving follower instead of the ruthless leader they built him up at.
Again, we clearly don't agree here. Honestly, I don't care that you disagree, I don't care that you liked Bane. I didn't. I don't care that you liked this film. I didn't. I'm allowed to have an opinion on this and I'm getting tired of defending it here. So, I'm making this clear, I'm not making any more replies to this. I just don't care anymore, and I have better things to do than argue about a comment I made ages ago. I'm done.
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Reminding him of his faliure to protect the woman he loved is "petty"?, Okay, whatever.
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XDDD This is hilarious...Awesome picture by the way!
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Heh, great idea for a piece. The expressions on each of them are really well done! I liked the film a whole lot, but it is interesting to see how they'd all react.Β
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XD Thanks !I actualy realy loved the film!These characters are just expressing the realy minor thoughts of the whole picture of what i think of the movie
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You're welcome. You've won yourself a fan, I love how distinct and expressive your style is! It's a great combination of "comics" and "cartoon" styles!Β
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Man thats great news to hear!And i thank you very much for this feedback i realy apreciate it!
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Β You think that Thalia did not want to hurt Batman?, Can see that you have not read the comics Batman Inc.
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He made the original Talia like the animated series one she really loved Bruce
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Ps: another exemple is in arkham city , she died just to save her beloved
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As i already said i dont count that talia,thats some utter twisting of the character wich i despise!I know what heppens in batman inc,thats kinda the reason i didnt follow it as in reading!
The talia i use is the real one(in my opinion) the one that was in the comics before Grant Morrison said:lets completly fuck up their love story and make her rape batman to gain the perfect heir of the league of assasins.
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Im glad you do!
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