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ENG: Quick sketch of Rapunzel. I love Tangled!
Rapunzel and Flynn are both so much fun, I saw dolls of them at the store and I had the biggest craving to buy them XD Hard to hold myself back 
Rapunzel from Tangled (c) Disney
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FR: Croquis rapide de Rapunzel. J'ai vraiment adore le film Tangled!
Rapunzel et Flynn sont tous les deux tellement adorables, j'ai failli achete poupees des deux, c'etait difficile de m'en empecher Rapunzel de Tangled (c) Disney
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The shading and coloring in this is so soft and pretty. I also love Rapunzel's bright eyes. Great job.
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Thanks very much, I'm glad you like it!
And I wanted to thank you for the Ginny discussion too, I hope it wasn't frustrating, but I do love discussing that sort of thing
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You're very welcome.
Not a problem. It's an interesting discussion. It isn't too frustrating, no. I just need to sit down and take the time to construct a thorough response. I'm sorry that I haven't replied yet. I just finished finals so I've been rather busy over the course of the past few days.
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Oh no worries about being busy, I just finished up finals myself 
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Well, we're done now! Yay! 
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It helps to understand and appreciate other points of view much more
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It does. But sometimes I get a little frustrated when I talk to people who disagree with me all of the time. I like being able to get along with people as well. 
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Oh definitely, if you have any other HP topics you'd like to discuss I'd be happy to 
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Don't worry. I wasn't referring to you. I actually had a certain best friend of mine in mind when I was writing my last response. 
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Oh, no worries about that!
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I still plan on responding to it and would love to continue it! I was never mad at you.
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Cool 
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We can do both.
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Oh yes, it was so lovely! What did you think of it?
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I liked it for the most part. The ending was a bit rushed, but other than that it was great. Rapunzel and Flynn are a very badass Disney couple. They remind me a little of Aladdin and Jasmine (my favorite Disney couple).
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Oh yes, it was one of those special ones, like Aladdin, where both the male and female lead were well developed and had their own personalities. The tear for the happy ending was a little too easy, but otherwise it was great
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Yes, it was. Rapunzel and Flynn, like Aladdin and Jasmine, had very well developed personalities. They were very human and they made mistakes just as real people do. You have a good point about the tear, but I found myself feeling more thankful about Flynn's resurrection (as opposed to being critical). 
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Oh definitely, there was no way we could lose Flynn! But it would be nice to have a little more explanation about the tear. Though if I remember correctly in the original folk tale it was her tears that cured the prince's blindness right? I suppose that's fitting them in in a tiny way.
And I agree, they were both so well balanced! It was very refreshing, and even the sidekicks were very adorable and entertaining in their own ways. Nothing irritated me, if you know what I mean
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Did you see my last response? 
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Agreed. Good point about the tear. That could've been a little clearer. I don't know much about the original folk tale so I wouldn't be the right person to ask. 
Yes, it was refreshing to have such well balanced characters. But, I liked Princess and the Frog for the same reason. Tiana and Naveen were very well balanced, too.
I liked Mother Gothel for the same reason. I loved that she and Rapunzel had a close relationship in spite of the fact that Mother Gothel's intentions were selfish. It was inevitable that she would develop a bond with Rapunzel by keeping her locked up in the tower for all of those years. The "I love you" - "I love you more" - "I love you most" bit was adorable, and it really struck a chord with me because my mother is raising my younger brother and I all by herself. I have an incredible relationship with my mother that a lot of girls my age don't have. (My brother and I love her dearly.) So, yeah, that was relatable for me and just a thrill to see on-screen.
More on that topic below...
Both Tangled and Princess and the Frog contain princesses who are very close to their mothers, which is great, because a lot of the older Disney princesses were raised and had more of a bond with their fathers. I have no issue with this, especially since I'm a moderate feminist (I think that children need to have great relationships with their fathers as well. And I admire widowers and single fathers just as much as I admire widows and single mothers), but it was nice to see a more balanced dynamic and have the mothers included for a change.
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Sorry, got distracted at work but really wanted to continue the discussion too!
Tiana and Naveen were really balanced also, I think that them combined with Rapunzel and Flynn make such fresh characters compared to the old Disney princesses, that it's hard to put them in the same category! The sidekicks were funny, the horse was amazing, so ridiculous but so much fun! And the chameleon, he was precious
I did like Mother Gothel's relationship, and how complex they made it. Unlike in the old versions such as Cinderella and Snow White (two Disney movies I actually don't like very much), when the stepmother is either a saint or horribly evil, Mother Gothel was complex. Yes, she was selfish, but then again, she couldn't be all that selfish if she gave Rapunzel almost anything she wanted, lovely clothes, delicious food, care and attention every day... of course she had her drawbacks, but Rapunzel, despite being isolated, I think would say she still had a good childhood. Even though she didn't let her be free, she did everything else she could to make her happy, and she gave her a lot of love. That's why I also loved the part when Rapunzel first leaves, and she's so torn between elation at being free and guilt at hurting the mother she loves. It was so sweet and showed a lot more understanding of the relationship and depth, instead of simply having her leave, saying "I'm free" and not thinking of her mother at all.
Though I do think it's tragic that very few Disney princes or princesses have two surviving parents, I do appreciate the strong bond between the one that they have, like Tiana and Rapunzel with their mothers, Belle with her father. I also loved Tiana's bond with her father. He was alive at the beginning, and though he died, I thought they did a beautiful job of showing how he inspired her and lived on in her dream. Unlike most other princesses, she really had two parents, and they both gave Tiana a different sort of support. Poor Flynn was an orphan, and they showed how that affected him in how he tried to rise above his circumstances and make himself into someone he thought other people would like. And even though there were some flaws in the relationship between Rapunzel and Gothel, her mother did teach her how to love, which is what enabled Rapunzel to provide that love and acceptance to Flynn in return (or Eugene if you'd prefer
Though Snow White is considered such a big classic, I think it's interesting to think about how differently that story would have been told, if Disney had made it now for the current generation, instead of back when they did it then.
Many of the Disney classics are actually about growing up and adolescence, and it's interesting and lovely to portray that in a way that the child doesn't have to completely throw off or become independent from their parents (of course at the end Rapunzel would never see her Mother Gothel again, but in her mind at least I'm sure she's there sometimes). Similar to how Mulan, while she abandoned her parents and went off and found herself on her own, was then able to go back home, and have her parents both accept her as the woman she had become.
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It's alright!
I agree that Rapunzel and Tiana are in a different category than the older Disney princesses, but I think it depends on the princess in question. Jasmine has ALWAYS been my favorite Disney princess and she always will be. She possesses just as much fire as Rapunzel and Tiana, she stands by Aladdin and fights beside him in the animated series (and The King of Thieves), and she isn't afraid to put Al in his place and bicker with him. (She fights in the original film, too, but it's for her values and freedom as opposed to using brute force against the villains who are trying to defeat her fiance. So, it's a different type of fight.) I think she's right up there with Rapunzel and Tiana, but you can disagree.
Hell, as much as I dislike Ariel, I'll give her credit and say that she deserves to be in the same category as those three princesses. That doesn't change her thoughtless, immature behavior, though. 
Yes. The horse was ridiculous but fun. And he helped Flynn in the end.
I'm with you on Mother Gothel's complexity and the depth in the relationship that she had with Rapunzel. Mother Gothel did teach Rapunzel how to love, loved her deeply, and provided with her with just about everything that she needed in order to be happy.
I also appreciate the bonds that the Disney princesses have with their living parents. I obviously love Tiana and Rapunzel's bonds with their mothers, but I also loved Belle and Jasmine's bonds with their fathers. Jasmine may have rebelled against her father because her paradigm and opinions differed from his, but their strong bond was so, so evident, particularly in the scenes where the Sultan was comforting Jasmine while she was crying in the original film. Even the fact that he wanted her to marry so that she would be provided for demonstrated that he cared for her in a way. And ultimately, his selfless act of changing the betrothal law at the end of the film demonstrated that he truly understood Jasmine, her values, and her wishes. He was a wonderful father, too.
Sorry about all of my Aladdin related rants/fangirl drivel. It stems from my innate bias.
Anyway, I also loved Tiana's relationship with her father, the way that he inspired her, and the fact that he was the source of her dream. Yeah, it was evident that Flynn's status as an orphan affected him greatly. He reminded me of Aladdin since they were both thieves who were orphans. Although, I don't think Aladdin had the same ego that Flynn has. 
Ooh! Yeah. It would be interesting to think about how different Snow White would've been if it were made today instead of when it was. Society has evolved so much since then.
The Disney classics are very much coming age stories. I like that the more modern Disney films have that same message. It was great that Mulan came back home to her parents and they didn't shun her or force her out of the household. Rapunzel was also able to return to her biological family and, yeah, Mother Gothel was always with her in spirit. We also saw that Rapunzel felt really torn (as if we didn't know that already based on her freak-out after she departed the tower) when Mother Gothel discovered her and Flynn's whereabouts.
Disney is love basically.
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When I talk about the older generation of princesses, I mainly mean movies like Sleeping Beauty, Snow White, Cinderella, and to some extent The Little Mermaid. Of course not to say they weren't lovely and I have fond memories of watching them as a child, but those heroines did not really stand out so much, and were not nearly as developed as the ones that came after them. Ariel was developed, but I felt like she was a little too rebellious to a father that was on the whole incredibly kind to her. I guess she felt a little more childish than the rest, though she was meant to be sixteen so I suppose it's excusable. My most favorite Disney princess for a long time (and I would say now, but I love so many equally I don't think there's a ranking in my mind now) was Belle, even though I didn't always agree with her actions either. But she was a fighter, she had a strong and loyal relationship with her father, she was kind to strangers, but not a fool. And she was not afraid to be a little different, as long as she took the time to be true to herself and to listen and understand others. I find it very sweet that though the purpose of that tale is to say that you need to look inside to see true beauty, Belle was beautiful on the outside, but they still were able to make her inner self outshine that. Jasmine was just perfect in which battles she chose to fight, when to give in, she was very understanding and kind but she didn't back down from what was right. And she was quite clever and sarcastic, which was just awesome.
There are definitely huge parallels between Aladdin and Flynn, not only in the fact that they are both orphans and thieves, but their almost overconfident, larger than life personality (and their handsomeness
Though he wasn't very developed, I imagine someone like Prince Charming, who is born into wealth and position and power and status, has to almost work harder to learn things like humility and understanding and sympathizing with people who have very little, who are poor or who have been hurt or alone. On the other hand people like Aladdin and Flynn know what it is like to want to be accepted and loved so badly. That is why they make great heroes, and that is why actually I'm not sure if a character like Prince Charming could have been made into a more important character, because it would be more difficult to portray those traits. Hercules is similar, and it's those humble beginnings that give him that understanding and kindness when he is later popular.
I might be too severe on people who have a lot from birth, because of course there can be many people who are kind and understanding who might happen to be born with wealth and comfort, but I do think they would have to work harder, and move out of their comfort zone, in order to achieve it.
Anyways back to the princesses
Even at the darkest times, when Mother Gothel was at her most evil, I was never afraid that she would hurt Rapunzel, because I think almost against her own will, in the process of raising her as a daughter she came to love her in her own way. So even though she was raised isolated from the world, she was loved, and even if Rapunzel hadn't been able to escape her in the end, and ended up incredibly unhappy locked away once more, I could still see the two of them struggling through their anger because of the deep bond they do have.
Disney is love! All the coming of age stories are wonderful, and they each seem to present different aspects of it, different yet important things about growing up, figuring out who you want to be, and asserting yourself with your parents, choosing the path you want to take with your life.
I love all of those princesses for those reasons, and then I do also love very much Meg and Jane, and the two of them are very different from all the rest. In some ways I think they are more mature than the others, they deal with more mature topics, such as how Meg was jaded and disappointed by people and men in particular, and how Hercules' honest, open personality was able to allow her to trust again. That's a less covered topic in Disney, and I thought they did a brilliant job of it. And Jane and Tarzan, I admit to having a weakness for that story in any format, though Disney did a wonderful job, and then I loved the subsequent tv series for that too, because I love stories when two people with very different backgrounds (different countries, languages, cultures, or histories) come together, share all their differences and become stronger together for it.
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Aaand I shall delay the writing process on one of my stories by responding to one of your long, awesome comments.
I'm thrilled that you share my enthusiasm for Jas, Al, and the animated series of Aladdin!! 
That's what I thought you meant by the older generation of princesses. I put the same films in that category sans The Little Mermaid (but I can see why you place TLM in that group). The films were lovely like you said, but yeah, the heroines weren't nearly as well developed as Jasmine, Belle, Tiana and Rapunzel. I agree about Ariel. She was developed, but I also feel that she was too rebellious with her father (who I like. King Triton's great. He may have been domineering when that type of behavior was needed, but he was only that way because he cared about Ariel deeply), and I also feel that she went too far in many instances. Ariel was childish compared to the other princesses like you said, but I *think* I can understand her behavior. However, wasn't Jasmine around her age? Jasmine wasn't nearly as childish. She was fairly reasonable at times... I love Belle for all of the same reasons and that's why she's a close second as far as my favorite princesses are concerned. I had a feeling that she used to be your favorite based on the BatB fanart that you drew (and that I added to my group.
You're right on about Flynn and Aladdin's "overconfident, larger than life" personalities. When I wrote my last response, I thought perhaps Aladdin was a bit more modest than Flynn, but it really depends on the situation. In some ways Aladdin is modest about his accomplishments, and in other ways he isn't. And hell, yes, both men are incredibly handsome! 
"Though he wasn't very developed, I imagine someone like Prince Charming, who is born into wealth and position and power and status, has to almost work harder to learn things like humility and understanding and sympathizing with people who have very little, who are poor or who have been hurt or alone. On the other hand people like Aladdin and Flynn know what it is like to want to be accepted and loved so badly. That is why they make great heroes, and that is why actually I'm not sure if a character like Prince Charming could have been made into a more important character, because it would be more difficult to portray those traits. Hercules is similar, and it's those humble beginnings that give him that understanding and kindness when he is later popular."
I couldn't have put it better myself.
I don't think you're too harsh on people who have a lot from birth. I think there are probably plenty of wealthy people who are kind and understanding, but I agree that they'd have to work harder and move out of their comfort zone in order to reach that point of understanding.
Yep! The Sultan was a kind and loving parent in spite of his flaws and mistakes. I don't think Jasmine forgot that either, like you said. She never took his love for granted, which was great.
I was never afraid that Mother Gothel would hurt Rapunzel either. It's for the same reason that you generated. She came to love Rapunzel because she was the one who raised her. Good point about what would've happened with Rapunzel and Gothel if Gothel had gotten her way. They would've worked through any issues that they had all because of that strong bond.
"Disney is love! All the coming of age stories are wonderful, and they each seem to present different aspects of it, different yet important things about growing up, figuring out who you want to be, and asserting yourself with your parents, choosing the path you want to take with your life." You nailed it once more.
I loove Meg!! She's my third favorite Disney heroine. 
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