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me: christians don't deserve hate for being christian but the stigma against them being homophobic/transphobic isn't entirely undeserved considering they were a major cause of death for LGBTA+ individuals in the western world
someone else: okay but both sides are equally horrible to each other uwu
me: okay but christians have literally murdered us and burned us at the stake throughout the middle ages, and created the whole stigma against LGBTA+ individuals that persists to the day and is also a major reason why us obtaining our rights is a difficult thing to do in the western world. my country doesn't even allow us to marry people of the same gender yet, and there are countries out there that still don't allow gay people to even exist, and will even execute them for being gay. a lot of homophobia in the western world, a vast majority of homophobia in the western world, stems from christianity. what have we done to you?
someone else: you called us homophobes and transphobes and it hurts our wittle feewings uwu
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I feel bad because I used to have this mentality but that was only because I grew up in a Conservative family. ( They would teach me what was right and shame/humiliate me for believing in the "wrong thing. " when I was a kid/pre-teen) I don't have this mindset anymore and even though I'm not really Religious I respect my family just as long as they don't believe in something hateful or close-minded.
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my father's not religious but he turned 57 recently, so you can imagine he's pretty old-fashioned when it comes to things, so i can understand where you're coming from to some degree.
i do believe there are things people should think and should be humiliated for believing otherwise, but that pretty much begins and ends with "people deserve equal rights and to live regardless of sex, gender, sexuality, race, disabilities, income, and capabilities".
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The Bible does say gay/lesbian activity isn't allowed, but specifically it isn't allowed within the Church. Everybody else would be free to do whatever, in that definition...
But people really can't be bothered to mind their own business, it seems.
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The Bible also says that you're not allowed to wear mixed fabric clothing, you can stone your kids to death if they talk back to you, and if a man rapes a woman he must marry her and can never divorce her.
I think it's safe to say that the Bible is a little outdated.
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It is. There are some aspects of it that hold true no matter what (the basic ten commandments, for example), but a lot of the laws you see in the Old/New Testament were specifically meant for those times.
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Pretty much. And if I remember correctly since I don't rigorously study the Bible, Jesus died on the cross not only to free people from sin but also from the old laws, which is where the New Testament comes in. So by mistreating people just because they're gay, a lot of Christians are basically invalidating Jesus' sacrifice.
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It's especially annoying because those same people can't seem to be bothered to remember this one simple fact:
What happens in someone else's bedroom is none of your damn business.
How would you like people prodding around at your sex life?
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And last time I checked, the only LGBT+ people who actually actively talk about their sex lives are young or immature SJWs who only want attention. Most LGBT+ couples from what I've seen just want to enjoy their sex lives in private just like straight couples.
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So basically, the SJWs on the other side are only half the issue; the other half really is part of the LGBT+ community acting out unnecessarily.
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-_- Too bad teenagers in general lack the common sense to keep quiet in certain areas...
I mean, come on. If you know the town you live in is extremely homophobic, why would you think it's a good idea to prance around and yell that you're gay/bi/etc.?
And not only that, but you also cry out when the same people you've effectively been trolling decide they won't put up with it anymore? How did you not see this coming?
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Too be fair, the fact that the town is homophobic in the first place is a problem and I know a lot of homophobic communities will try to condemn and attack people they simply suspect are gay, but it's still not a good idea to tell everyone and their mothers that your gay.
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I know homophobia isn't right to begin with (sorry if I implied that). It's just not a good idea to make it worse and, in their eyes, prove their point.
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(Oh don't worry, I understood what you were saying).
Exactly. And I was also talking more about people on the internet who constantly announce their sexuality every five seconds. Like okay, we get it, you're gay. You don't need to tell us every other hour, we already know.
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not to mention over the 2000+ years the bible has been around, mistranslations through human language are bound to occur.
As well as the fact the anti-LGBT+ verse was in the Old Testament, which was rendered null and void when Jesus died on the cross to save humanity from those sins. So when people are homophobic because of the christian bible, they're saying the son of God's sacrifice on the cross wasn't good enough for them.
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Exactly. People who choose to hide under God's good name (or any peaceful religion) while they spout their bigotry have always been one of my biggest issues with society because of how widespread they are.
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Even though I'm Christian (though not nearly as religious as I was a long time ago), I simply can't respect people who use their religion as an excuse to mistreat LGBT+ people. Especially if they're really passive aggressive about it like "lol yea i respect u but i don't support u and ur still a sin hurr durr". Like, that doesn't make what you're saying any better.
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the whole "i respect you but don't support it and you're a sinner" thing is annoying as shit.
another is "i disagree with you but support it". it's less annoying and i'm grateful, but what's there to disagree with? i've yet to meet someone who'll answer that.
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I know some people who say that might just be trying to not be rude, but to me it comes off as being really passive aggressive and kind of insincere.
I don't understand how people can "disagree" with homosexuality. You can't exactly disagree with something that's there and it's kind of like saying you disagree with someone's race or someone's ethnicity. Maybe I'm just entirely missing the point, but that's what it sounds like to me.
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I'm not religious, but some religions (Mostly Christianity and Islam) can be very harsh with this topic. Some of these religious people can be WORSE than the infamous "Westboro Baptist Church". There are conversion camps that will physically, verbally, mentally, and sexually abuse anyone who is "against" their religion. This includes if your lgbt+, atheist, or even mentally challenged. Yes, religious parents send their mentally challenged kids to these conversion camps to get abused. Don't get me started on Islam. The heart in all things homophobic. In most Arab countries, you can be stoned to death, whipped, or hanged just for being a part of the lgbt+ community. You could even be thrown to prison for your whole life just because you're gay or your trans etc.
Also, if you get offended for being called "Homophobic" or "transphobic", grow a back bone damn it. Same could be said to the sjw community who put a bad name on the lgbt+ community, and get offended WAY too easily.
I understand that these groups have been given a bad name because of their bad reputation, but not everyone in these groups are as bad as they seem. There are some friendly religious people and some friendly lgbt+ members who don't deserve the hate.
I just wanted to voice my opinion here, but you're right.
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i doubt that islam is "the heart of all things homophobic", but the religion certainly has some very homophobic ideologies, and middle-east countries are some of the worst when it comes to our rights. that said, i don't want to disrespect islam or those who worship it for being worshippers of that religion.
but yeah, people who get offended when called homophobic or transphobic should really grow thicker skin, or at the very least absolutely NEVER make jokes about people being offended by stuff because it comes off as hypocritical.
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True true. I understand what you mean.
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the same applies - muslims themselves don't deserve hatred or stigmatization and especially not on the scale that there is where they're automatically assumed to be terrorists based purely on their faith, but i do agree that the religion and some of its beliefs are a major source of LGBTA+ oppression in the middle east.
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I may be cristein and I may not like people being gay but I am willing to understand them and help them in find their way in life, dose this make me a bad person? Maybe, what do you think. I'm willing to hear your part
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i don't think christianity or christians are inherently bad, and while I'm agnostic atheist (not the type that's like "ooh you all believe in FAIRY TALES B)))" smug bullshit but just "too lazy to care"), i think if you're willing to listen to us and help us overcome our oppression, you're someone worth respecting.
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Thank you! Although I may not agree with some of the things they do I will respect them I only ask you respect mine as well. I'm a person that wants to keep everyone happy
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i don't really see a reason or even how you can disagree with something (i mean is it just something you wouldn't personally want? That's not really disagreement, that's just "it's not for me"), but thank you.
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You know being gay isn’t a choice, right? You shouldn’t not like someone for something that they can’t control. It’s like saying that you don’t like people being black or being Asian.
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I know and if they want to change I will do what I can to help them. If they want to talk I will talk with them. There is always room for change but, change can not come if you do not remember the past and not make the same mistake they did
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Um.... I'm sorry, I'm not following what you're saying. You can't change your sexuality. Or are you talking about other kinds of change? You're being kind of vague here.
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Okay just nevermind. I'm not very good with this type of thing but my point is that I will try my best to help someone who needs help reguardless of anything.
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If you say so...
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Welp...Let's just hope everyone is happy in the end!^^
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